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CIA slammed for Iraq intelligence
US senators have severely criticised the country's intelligence agencies, in particular the CIA, for the quality of their pre-war information on Iraq.
In a scathing report, the Senate Intelligence Committee says the CIA overstated the threat posed by Iraq.
As a result, the US and its allies went to war based on "flawed" information.
However, the report concluded there was no evidence the Bush administration had tried to coerce or put pressure on officials to adapt their findings.
Global failure
Most of the key judgements about Iraq's WMD programmes "were either overstated or were not supported by the raw intelligence reporting," said the committee's chairman, Republican Senator Pat Roberts.
The intelligence community suffered a "collective group-think", which led analysts to presume that Iraq had active and growing weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programmes and to interpret ambiguous evidence as conclusive, Senator Roberts said.
But the failings were not America's alone.
"It is clear that this group-think also extended to our allies, and to the United Nations, and several other nations as well, all of whom did believe that Saddam Hussein had active WMD programmes. This was a global intelligence failure," he said.
The report said there was no evidence that analysts came under pressure from the White House to deliver certain findings, although some Democrats dissented from this conclusion.
The issue of whether the Bush administration exaggerated the case for war in Iraq is being investigated separately in a report due to be released after the presidential election on 2 November.
The Democrat vice-chairman of the committee, Senator Jay Rockefeller, stressed his party's regret that the whole matter had not been addressed in one inquiry.
"There is simply no question that mistakes leading up to the war in Iraq rank among the most devastating losses and intelligence failures in the history of the nation," he said.
"We in Congress would not have authorised that war. We would not have authorised that war with 75 votes if we knew what we know now."
Mr Bush said the report was "useful" in pointing out how the intelligence community failed.
"We need to know. I want to know. I want to know how to make the agencies better," he said during campaigning in Pennsylvania.
'Slam dunk'
The report could have implications for Lord Butler's UK report, to be published in a few days' time, increasing pressure for a strong examination of what happened in British intelligence.
CIA director George Tenet, who steps down on Sunday, was criticised for not personally checking President Bush's 2003 State of the Union address.
This contained the allegation - which first surfaced in a UK report and since discredited - that Iraq had been trying to buy uranium from Niger.
On Thursday, Mr Tenet told employees that the American people would judge where intelligence has done well and where the CIA has fallen short.
source: BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3878969.stm)
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do dis mean saddam the butcher is still king of the world?
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The war was not wrong and the US did not admit the war was wrong.
The CIA provided bad intelligence and that is what the article is about, pretty much.
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Originally posted by NUKE
The war was not wrong and the US did not admit the war was wrong.
The CIA provided bad intelligence and that is what the article is about, pretty much.
"We in Congress would not have authorised that war. We would not have authorised that war with 75 votes if we knew what we know now."
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lmfao they revied ONE DOCUMENT....
hey toronto..get off our jocks and tell your beach to come here..
DIE ISLAMIC SCUMBAGS DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1..You want a holy War..you got it....PREPARE TO DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We will build a Disney Land in Iraq in 10 years
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NM
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guess they need to replace their crystal balls eh?
what else do you have but the intel given at the time?
hind sight is 20/20
I really think Pearl Harbor could have been avoided too - dam the luck
I blame Columbus. If he'd just stayed south, America would never have been discovered :)
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oh btw..you see who put the report out..rockefellr..hes a Linguine Spinned Liberal suknut.....
We should send him to cnanada..or France....
"Liberal Linguine Spinned Countries.....There Always there When they need us"
potatos
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
However, the report concluded there was no evidence the Bush administration had tried to coerce or put pressure on officials to adapt their findings.
Because the Republican-controlled panel would not investigate that until after the election.
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Rockefeller. Nuff said.
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Originally posted by GreenCloud
oh btw..you see who put the report out..rockefellr..hes a Linguine Spinned Liberal suknut.....
We should send him to cnanada..or France....
"Liberal Linguine Spinned Countries.....There Always there When they need us"
potatos
Out of meds again? Medicare not paying for them anymore?
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You seem like a very angry person GreenCloud.
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nope....considering the source this bait just aint stinky enough.
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Originally posted by GreenCloud
lmfao they revied ONE DOCUMENT....
hey toronto..get off our jocks and tell your beach to come here..
DIE ISLAMIC SCUMBAGS DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1..You want a holy War..you got it....PREPARE TO DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We will build a Disney Land in Iraq in 10 years
On behalf of every American I apologuise to the world for Green Cloud.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
nope....considering the source this bait just aint stinky enough.
What bait. This is a report from your Senate.
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You're right...we suck..
Let's all pack it up and move to Toronto or Norway or Sweden...
They know what they're doing up there....
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Originally posted by muckmaw
They know what they're doing up there....
ya'll invited...we got grrrreat beer!:)
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Sense when is one Democrat Senator "the US Government"? He voiced his opinion and in the opinion tens of millions (if not hundreds of millions) of other Americans he's wrong.
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Originally posted by Udie
Sense when is one Democrat Senator "the US Government"? He voiced his opinion and in the opinion tens of millions (if not hundreds of millions) of other Americans he's wrong.
read the thing before you comment, it was bipartisan...Senate Intelligence Committee Report
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LOL I watched them release it live on TV dude. I don't need to read the article to know what they said. You're highlighting what the democrat said. He'd change his vote lol, yeah I bet most democrat Senators would like to take both sides of this issue with him, as usual. Fact is the Senate got the same briefings the President did and came to the exact same conclusion. Only now it's an election year and they'd rather use this to play politics while the nation is at war. If we were duped by SH about his WMD program that's bad on our intelligence agencies and needs to be fixed. ( Ours and Britains both) The war is still justified for many many more reasons than this one.
I saw a great clip of Edwards today from Hard Ball back when we were about to start the war. Chris Mathews asked Edwards if he supported going to war even without the UN's say so. Mr. Edwards said he absolutely would. Not an exact quote but it's late and I'm not going to look it up now. I love how all these dems are trying to undo history about that vote. It ain't gonna work....
Ok let me guess, this is where I get called names right? :aok <-- damn I still hate that icon.
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Originally posted by Udie
( Ours and Britains both)
i think i heard something about the British report being due in the next few days/week(s).
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yeah i heard the other day they said the intel about the yellow cake and aluminum tubes turns out to be valid. Once again, go figure! who'd a thunk it :o
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...but wait, there's more (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&e=2&u=/nm/20040709/pl_nm/iraq_intelligence_qaeda_dc).
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Originally posted by NUKE
The war was not wrong and the US did not admit the war was wrong.
The CIA provided bad intelligence and that is what the article is about, pretty much.
To all the anti-american *******s out there... saying "I wish I filled my car up this morning cause I ran outta gas" means that you wish we would blow up the world and take over all the oil...
Always gonna be people that make the US seem evil, always gonna be those that jump to conclusions as long as its not good for the US...
I try not to even look at the politcal crap on these forums cause there is always someone ranting "HEY! LETS BASH THE US FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!". Unfortunately 90% of the O Club is nothing but that...
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ok sandy just when did anybody say that Iraq had squat to do with 9/11? The Bush administration went out of it's way to say that there was NO evidence of this from day one.
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It has to be... all the liberal canadians and liberal germans are scathing in their remarks...
bet none of the canadians or germans on this board vote for Bush this time around!
If the economy is good Bush will win no matter what the canadians think.
lazs
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when your base is being overran you clear out the nasties then proceed to take the fight to the enemy base. Thats what GWB
has done. :aok
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I think the Iraq war was RIGHT.
Saddam no longer had WMD's? PLEASE.
Know that once a nation HAS WMD's they will ALWAYS have them. Iraq HAD chemical and biological weapons. Thats a fact. Ask the Kurds.
Study the Cold War. One of the major deterrents of the era was not that both sides would blast each other to pieces... but that even IF one side blasted the other before the other could react, the blasted side STILL had the capability to REARM and LAUNCH (underground missile and nuke building facilities could put together several dozen missiles+warheads in a matter of days and retaliate).
You dont need to have physical stockpiles of a WMD. Its the knowledge and facilities to make them.. the capability to make them that makes it dangerous.
And unlike nukes, bio/chem WMD's can be assembled in the 'target' country with far fewer risks of detection. Its easier to smuggle a small bag with ebola than a few punds of plutonium. If drug dealers get TONS of cocaine through into the US just think how easy it would be to smuggle biochem components.
Taking out this capability from the hands of Saddam and from a potentially hostile Arab nation is RIGHT in my book.
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latest polls show that most Americans think that the war was the right thing to do. An AH bb poll shows that most canadians feel that it doesn't matter so long as it makes people hate Bush and vote for socialism.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
latest polls show that most Americans think that the war was the right thing to do. An AH bb poll shows that most canadians feel that it doesn't matter so long as it makes people hate Bush and vote for socialism.
lazs
Latest polls...
Fifty-four percent of those polled said it was a mistake to send U.S. troops to Iraq, compared with 41 percent who expressed that sentiment in early June.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/24/poll.iraq/
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*sniff* this ain't right. swims away. inept canukian troller.
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poll shows Bush ahead tho still. Last poll I seen said that 57% of the people thought we were right to oust the sadman.
if the economy gets even better (probly will) then Bush will easily win... If it stays the same...it will be close.
Watch the dems to get even more vitriholic as the election draws near. Hardest thing to do will be to get kerry to shut up about his really liberal ideas. He could be mondale all over again if the cat gets out of the bag.
someone percieved as a lefty herman munster don't stand a chance (except with negroes and nea).
lazs
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Originally posted by OIO
I think the Iraq war was RIGHT.
Saddam no longer had WMD's? PLEASE.
Know that once a nation HAS WMD's they will ALWAYS have them. Iraq HAD chemical and biological weapons. Thats a fact. Ask the Kurds.
Study the Cold War. One of the major deterrents of the era was not that both sides would blast each other to pieces... but that even IF one side blasted the other before the other could react, the blasted side STILL had the capability to REARM and LAUNCH (underground missile and nuke building facilities could put together several dozen missiles+warheads in a matter of days and retaliate).
You dont need to have physical stockpiles of a WMD. Its the knowledge and facilities to make them.. the capability to make them that makes it dangerous.
And unlike nukes, bio/chem WMD's can be assembled in the 'target' country with far fewer risks of detection. Its easier to smuggle a small bag with ebola than a few punds of plutonium. If drug dealers get TONS of cocaine through into the US just think how easy it would be to smuggle biochem components.
Taking out this capability from the hands of Saddam and from a potentially hostile Arab nation is RIGHT in my book.
and I seem to remember then finding HUGE ammounts of some "main ingrediants" for chem weapons at artillery sites at the beginning of the war. But since it can be used to kill roaches people would rather believe that the Iraqi's just didn't want bugs near thier artillery. Not to mention the couple of dozen shells found (and a few used) that contained actual chemical weapons.
There are no WMD in Iraq....
THere are no Americans in Bagdad....
Those 2 statements are remarkably similar. One from "Bagdad Bob" the other from the Bush haters.....
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Well ... when Tenet went away, i did say, that we will hear a lot of bad things about him soon .... here we go.... Its all CIA fault... but former director is gone. But we all should know who is responsible.
poor president and senate are only missinformed vicims whitch do not hold responsibility for their acts :rofl
Im wondering if there will be any consequences based on that report.
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
read the thing before you comment, it was bipartisan...Senate Intelligence Committee Report
they are cool, they dont have to read... they will read headline, fist and last word and will have very good overview.
And if you dont belive that Iraq had WMD, go and ask Kurds :rofl
They will never admit that they have been brainwashed regarding Iraq, even if GWB will admit that he tried it
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and even sadder... we don't care what people from former communist states think or read into it.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
and even sadder... we don't care what people from former communist states think or read into it.
lazs
actualy you dont care about all who doesnt knock on your shoulder and repeating ... wow .. you are a cool boy, wtg
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...but wait, there's more.
birds of a feather, kill them all
Thanks for the info Xrtoronto
More stroking material ****tard?
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Originally posted by lazs2
poll shows Bush ahead tho still.
And they aslo show Kerry in the lead.
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04gen.htm
Last poll I seen said that 57% of the people thought we were right to oust the sadman.
But not woth the cost.
http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm
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Here's my spin...
I don't care about WMDs anymore.
This was 1 count em 1 of 4 reasons we went into Iraq.
Reread the presidents speech.
Now, people a normally quite dumb. If Bush got up there and explained all the geo-political reasons he wanted to do Iraq, most Americans would get confused and switch to "Wheel of Fortune".
The reason we went to Iraq, more than any other, is to put the Middle East on Notice.
We are showing the nations of Syria, Libya, Iran and others that Democracy can work.
Don't you think in 5 years when Iraq is THE center of free thought and speech in the Middle East, College Kids in Iran are going to be saying, "Hey, look at Iraq." Why can't we be free?"
Instead of bombing the US, they'll revolt against the Mullahs.
This is the way we are going to fight terrorism.
Iraq was chosen because we had an excuse, we had Air Superiority, and we knew it would be an easier fight than Iran or Syria. Plus, it does'nt hurt that SH was as bad as Hitler.
Also, our going into Iraq shows the rest of the ME that we are not the America of Vietnam or Somalia, that cuts and runs before the job is done, no matter what the polls say.
We're not afraid to get bloody and Iran, Syria and the others know that now.
Think about it, guys.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
We are showing the nations of Syria, Libya, Iran and others that Democracy can work.
:rofl
You rather say... We would like to show them that it work.....
and if contemporary iraq is parade of democracy, im about to vote for communist for next porriod :rofl
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Don't you think in 5 years when Iraq is THE center of free thought and speech in the Middle East, College Kids in Iran are going to be saying, "Hey, look at Iraq." Why can't we be free?"
Instead of bombing the US, they'll revolt against the Mullahs.
LOL are you speaking about those students, who apply Mr. Bush to never ever take their name into his mouth ? :D
Are you trying to say, that Iranian students now bombing US ?
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Of course Iraq is not a model yet. Don't be obtuse.
We only liberated the country 14 months ago!
As for teh students, Yes, I would say Terrorist organizations recruit people of that age group.
Whether or not they are students or Iranian, I have no idea but we do know a good number of people crossing into Iraq to fight are Iranian.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Latest polls...
http://www. >>>cnn<<< .com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/24/poll.iraq/
!!??
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Originally posted by muckmaw
We are showing the nations of Syria, Libya, Iran and others that Democracy can work.
Hmmm... Didn't the "democratic" leadership of Iraq just declare martial law?
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lol, I say F!@#$'em all. Close the borders. If you dont like America simply go away! May the US stay inside thier own borders. BTW, where the F!@#$ is Ben Laden?
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Originally posted by Sandman
Hmmm... Didn't the "democratic" leadership of Iraq just declare marshall law?
Whew .... at least they didn't declare martial law!
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To add to it Udie, even if there had been zero chemical components that could be used to make bio/chem weapons found in Iraq it wouldve still made no difference.
The danger is the technical know-how of how to make those weapons. Bio/Chems can be made from the most common products found in any country with an industrial base.
You can bet that one of the top priorities the military had in the Iraq invasion was tracking down the scientists and facilities that housed the R&D of bio/chems.
Today i just turn on the TV and see just how people simply ACCEPT what the media tells them... without thinking without analyzing things on their own...
...and I think back to Stalin's comment about the "useful idiots'.
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the sadman had the programs and he would have had em again as soon as no one was looking or... even if they were.
we are better off without him. we are even better off that the finns and canadians can't vote in our elections.
lazs
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Originally posted by Arlo
Whew .... at least they didn't declare martial law!
Doh...
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Iraqi has declared mashall law? If so, why?
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Hasn't happened yet, AFAIK.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0707/p01s04-woiq.html
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so basicly... you don't like the fact that Bush was vindicated by the actual report so you will go back to the old standby of soundbites and the media to form your opinion?
lazs