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Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: TweetyBird on July 10, 2004, 11:50:42 PM
The dirty little secret is AH2 is not ready. Along with stutters, I now have ctd's. My hunch is the strain of the loading plane skins was underestimated. I am within a day of canceling my main account. I'm sure HTC can absorb the 14.95 loss :D

The ironic thing is I just posted a message on my squad list about even with the stutters its playable, as long as I don't count on it being up to par with AH1. With the new CTD's I retract that.

HTC, you really need to consider rolling back until you feel comfortable that people are getting the gameplay they're paying for. This forced beta stuff isn't right. I mean I didn't do anything and all of a sudden, I'm paying for beta, and beta that is not working well for me. Is that fair? Something drastic has to change this week or I have to start questioning my inteligence for being in this position. If this was a sandwich at a fast food store, I'd have thrown it at the clerk.

And before someone tells me "don't let the door hit you in the arse", when you cancel an account, the program asks the reason for your cancellation. They are pretty broad in scope, so consider this specific.For months and months of testing, there was one way of handling textures. After it goes pay, its completely redesigned leaving some beta testers out in the cold. Now you explain the fairness of that.
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: Shane on July 11, 2004, 12:13:18 AM
I'm not experiencing stutters. I'm sure you've tried the standard suggestions. The stutters could be coming from cpu interrupts unrelated to actually playing AH.

AH2 *is* more cpu and vid card intensive than AH1 was, no question. I upgraded my RAM from 512 to 784 and seem to see some improvement. And I run a fairly clean system - 12 processes running on win XP with the latest Omega drivers for my ATI 9700pro. My sys specs are listed in my sig.

I'm betting adding more RAM would go a ways in helping here. I'm not too familar with the NVida cards, but from all accounts they run better with AH2 than the radeons.
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: Jayclark on July 11, 2004, 12:34:50 AM
12 processes running. I thought I was doing good with 18. I waiting for the next patch before I even open up AH2 again. Patch 3 was the best. Since then its been downhill. Haven't had any CTD's all throughout the beta and when it went live. Hold my breath though.
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: nopoop on July 11, 2004, 12:35:26 AM
Etch I know your pissed, you want to play and something in your box isn't letting you.

Take a breath, they're working on it, prolly as I speak.

Your in a minority. That sucks, don't know why it is but it's the truth. "Something" is different with yours and a small group of other peoples boxes that is tough to single out.

There was 490 in the Main on friday night. It's approaching normal "AH1" numbers.

The boys in Texas are not going to give up.

Don't you either.

Cya's up !!
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: neckbone on July 11, 2004, 12:37:29 AM
Etch,

I am running a very similar system to yours... 2.4 rather than 2.8, same ram, same vid card, xp... and experiencing very few problems...  I suffer from a lower frame rate when it's very busy, but no CTD's.  What sort of modem connection are you using?  Not sure what to tell you bud...  your system should be running game with few problems.

Neckbone
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: GtoRA2 on July 11, 2004, 12:57:54 AM
2.8 P4 here with no CTDs no stutters and no problems..


But yeah it has to be AH and not your system:rolleyes:
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: Roscoroo on July 11, 2004, 02:08:30 AM
its a video card /driver/game code thing,  and they are working on it hard i bet ... but with so many different systems its very hard to find a balance at the moment ... give them alittle more time ...
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: Hades55 on July 11, 2004, 02:24:51 AM
I think (not sure) the general problem comes from the fact that the program speak straight to the hardware (procesor,grafics)
and this some times create conflicts with windows.
I strongly believe that if we can run AH IN a Window these problems will stop.
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: oboe on July 11, 2004, 06:14:40 AM
Is all CTD behavior the same?    Since patch 5, I have been booted from the game several times with a "Host Connection Lost" box - when I click OK on the message, I'm thrown out of the game and back to the desktop.

I've never seen this before; it started with Patch 5.   Would you guys consider them CTDs?

I also have minor stuttering that started with patch 5, and the textures seem to load visibly slower than before.    Also my frame rate is way down at the tower - in the 20s-30s - used to be pretty stable at 75.


Asus P4P800E Dlx
P4 2.8 GHz, 512 Mb ram
SoundMax onboard sound
ATI Radeon 9600 Pro, 128 Mb
Win XP Home
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: Ghosth on July 11, 2004, 07:33:57 AM
No oboe, thats a networking issue not a CTD.

Now I had a CTD problem that was a bearcat over the last week.

Cause of it was a single .bmp in my squad folder that was slightly wrong in size or something.

Anyway, every time I hit the deploy button, instant CTD (Crash to desktop)

Thought perhaps dx 9, got the dx9 buster, reinstalled, same problem.

Thought perhaps video drivers.
LOL this one was sweet. Old drivers removed, cleaned, and all of a sudden my system would no longer open the new ones.  "incorrect rpc stub" error.


So I ended up booting up with the 3.5 disk, stick in the 98se cd.

Navigate to "oldmsdostools"
deltree c:\

Reinstall everything from scratch.

After 6 hours I'm back up, online, new omega drivers, clean dx9.0b, etc. Only real problem was netscape wouldn't run.

Hit AH, and guess what, same problem.

Frustrated yes, but it was still MY fault, NOT HTC's.

May seem buggy on your end, but don't blame the software when 500 people a night have no problem.

Take the beam out of your own eye before worring about the spec in your neighbors.
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: Jackal1 on July 11, 2004, 08:49:27 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Ghosth
May seem buggy on your end, but don't blame the software when 500 people a night have no problem.
 


Well........ I know your a cool guy and very helpfull and all that, but saying 500 people a night with no problem is sorta stretching it. On another thread it was stated that the "minority" was having problems.  From what I`ve seen and by indications of what is being said in game, I would say the majority is having problems of one kind or another.
  On one hand it`s not very accurate to do the post thingy claiming the sky is falling and proclaiming HTC as the "Antigamer" as told by prophecy , but on the other hand it`s not accurate to claim it`s the player`s  error when they can run everything but AHII without a glitch, especialy if the player`s system is up to , or above par.
  The fact is Dale, Pyro and crew realizes there is a prob and has stated so. Their also working very hard to find and cure this problem.
  I think the best approach and most productive route for us is to watch the 'Bug Reports" and "Annoucement" sections for any developments and to report any info that is requested that might be helpfull in getting this worked out.
  It will all come out in the wash. :D
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: Xjazz on July 11, 2004, 09:33:57 AM
~80fps

@ 1280*1024/16 with minimum grafic settings.

AMD Athlon XP1800 (~1.5MHz)
512M RAM
GF4 Ti4200 64M
SB Live! Value
Win98SE

No CTD's or hungups.
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on July 11, 2004, 09:38:39 AM
Ah2 is at least as playable as AH1

quitters are losers
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: Morpheus on July 11, 2004, 09:57:14 AM
Bubye :)
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: WldThing on July 11, 2004, 10:23:49 AM
No CTD's,  No stutters,  very playable frame rate..

All on a hp pavilion 1.1 Ghz,  112 ram,  GF2..  Good stuff!
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: ZZ3 on July 11, 2004, 10:26:54 AM
Quote
Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
Ah2 is at least as playable as AH1

quitters are losers


Not much of a stretch when you have a system like that.
Seems moot you even chiming in...
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: Paxil on July 11, 2004, 10:40:57 AM
No stutters or CTD here.

Actually... DOH! I do have stutters when running a debug version of DirectX. =)
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: Morpheus on July 11, 2004, 12:01:59 PM
Quote
Originally posted by ZZ3
Not much of a stretch when you have a system like that.
Seems moot you even chiming in...


LOL how are you any worse off?
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: Zippatuh on July 11, 2004, 04:09:55 PM
Windows ME
1.1 Ghz AMD Athlon
384 MB RAM
GeForce Ti200 – 64 MB
Crappy Sound Blaster Live

Running 6 processes at startup…

Default video settings that AHII set with screen at 1280.

I get about 30-50 Fps and have had few problems above what AH I had in heavy traffic.

I used this link to kill a lot of my startup’s with msconfig.  Helped me find a few spyware programs that were running as well:

Windows Startup's (http://www.pacs-portal.co.uk/startup_index.htm)

Based on my system it really does sound like your problems are configuration or management.
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: Polaris on July 11, 2004, 04:53:05 PM
The only real "problem" I've noticed is the FREAKIN WARPING!!

Other than that, the game runs damn well on my PC.  Gets a tad choppy when the furballs get dicey.   Usually I'll just Shift+F2 and the framerate jumps right back.

P4 2.8gHz
nVidia GeForce 5200 FX
512 MB RAM
Windows XP Professional
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: mojo55 on July 11, 2004, 04:56:40 PM
I must admit I had ctd's, but not any in the last two weeks.
No stutters, but once an awhile I get a mini freeze on a close merge.
I have 32 processes running.
Using a dell 3.0 8300, nvidea 128 5700 & 512 megs of ram.

The game is much better than AH1
Saving my beer money for CH fighter stick & rudder set-up.

Rock on HT :aok

AmReo
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: GunnerCAF on July 11, 2004, 04:59:18 PM
Win ME
2500+ AMD
512M Ram
Built in Sound card
GF4 MX

No shutters, no CTD, 60-100 FPS, and run better and faster then AH1.

The dirty little secret is people who are not having problems are not *****ing about it.

Gunner
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: demaw1 on July 11, 2004, 05:08:52 PM
my 2 cents worth..

 this last week has been the worst, i think at has to do with patch 5. say i go into 26 ,1st **** pit is all white than surrounding is brown and instruments pop up 1 at a time from white to brown.
 Tracking plane with field gun or turret gun the guns will
 stop and go on arch.
 frame rate in tower was 45, frame rate would bounce from 30 to 135 depending in flight.Now frame rate in tower is from 18 t0 35. in flight 15 to80 mostly low now.
   Now all sudden ctd I mean i am flying ,next thing am at blue page at home, ah2 no where in site. ctd??
 i am shot down, all 3 bombers ,from 1800 to 1200 yards.
 havent played much last 3 days  my take many more complain on radio than not,help??
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: nopoop on July 11, 2004, 05:52:41 PM
Demaw if your getting framerate changes like that you got something running in the background that you don't know about. Prolly a few things. Updaters, tracking software etc.

Check it out.
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: nopoop on July 11, 2004, 06:01:59 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Zippatuh
Windows ME
1.1 Ghz AMD Athlon
384 MB RAM
GeForce Ti200 – 64 MB
Crappy Sound Blaster Live

Running 6 processes at startup…

Default video settings that AHII set with screen at 1280.

I get about 30-50 Fps and have had few problems above what AH I had in heavy traffic.

Based on my system it really does sound like your problems are configuration or management.


That's lean and mean. I downloaded the trial Zipp and checked out my startup. Lean and mean. If Zip is doing it with an older system, it can be done. You'd be surprised at the amount of crap that get's into the toybox.

Didn't have to worry about it in AH until the new release. "Just put all that crap over there....there's room.."

Tain't room no more. WBIII had great nashing of teeth along the same lines until people got up to speed and emptied their boxes of crap.
Title: Dirty little secret
Post by: WilldCrd on July 11, 2004, 06:08:49 PM
oops my bad I thought this was a thread exposing SKUZZY as also being Mr. Black:D
Title: Re: Dirty little secret
Post by: Jackal1 on July 11, 2004, 06:14:04 PM
Quote
Originally posted by WilldCrd
oops my bad I thought this was a thread exposing SKUZZY as also being Mr. Black:D


Hmmmmm interesting theory. Would it be possible for him to smoke a brisket while in his camos in a treetop? lol
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: Jayclark on July 11, 2004, 06:17:14 PM
Patch 5 was plain crap for me dropped frames 10-15 fps. Not to mention worse studders. Wish I could of stuck with patch 3 no issues at all ran better than AH. But I figure what ever it is temporary and will be fine with the next patch.
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: DREDIOCK on July 11, 2004, 06:29:22 PM
Thats about right. Cant say 500 a night arent having problems. Its just that many many of us that that are having problems are playing through the CTD's  Framerate issues of all sorts, stutters, And vanishing and reappearing aircraft anyway. Myself included experiancing all of these on a pretty regular basis.
We play with what must be a handicap especially when we get to go against people without these problems and we live with them sometimes with great frustration or anger.
Some complain incessently about them others just either bite their tongues or simply post the probs in bug reports and wait silently and patiently and some not so patiently
In hope that a remedy will be found soon
But we are here

Quote
Originally posted by Jackal1
Well........ I know your a cool guy and very helpfull and all that, but saying 500 people a night with no problem is sorta stretching it. On another thread it was stated that the "minority" was having problems.  From what I`ve seen and by indications of what is being said in game, I would say the majority is having problems of one kind or another.
  On one hand it`s not very accurate to do the post thingy claiming the sky is falling and proclaiming HTC as the "Antigamer" as told by prophecy , but on the other hand it`s not accurate to claim it`s the player`s  error when they can run everything but AHII without a glitch, especialy if the player`s system is up to , or above par.
  The fact is Dale, Pyro and crew realizes there is a prob and has stated so. Their also working very hard to find and cure this problem.
  I think the best approach and most productive route for us is to watch the 'Bug Reports" and "Annoucement" sections for any developments and to report any info that is requested that might be helpfull in getting this worked out.
  It will all come out in the wash. :D
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: Masherbrum on July 11, 2004, 06:48:10 PM
I haven't been able to get into AH2 for almost a month.

P3 800Mhz
XP Home
GeForce 3 64MB Ti200
384RAM


I freeze up upon hitting the ok buttin on the Password screen.  I played AH2 beta without a hitch, with my ZoneAlarmPro 4 ON, I've turned it off.  Still nothing but a lockup that needs to rebooted.  Dunno.  It sucks not being able to shoot some of you down, and get shot down.

<>

Karaya
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: nopoop on July 11, 2004, 08:46:37 PM
Jeez Mash that sucks. I own three cars. Everyone of them was produced before 1990.

There's a rule somewhere written by someone that if you own a car of that vintage, it's a "hoopdee"

I own three hoopdee's.

You have a hoopdee too.

Don't tweek, it's beyond that. It's time for a new car.
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: Masherbrum on July 11, 2004, 08:58:05 PM
I know I'm only missed by my squadmates.  

Karaya
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: hitech on July 11, 2004, 09:11:48 PM
Mashburn, you missing somthing in your zone alarm setup.


HiTech
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: Overlag on July 11, 2004, 09:19:55 PM
mash, if you have XP press alttab or ctrl alt delete when trying to log on, and i bet you have alittle ZA box asking you what to do........... ;)
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: Furious on July 11, 2004, 09:24:58 PM
Try this.  As soon as AH locks up type "ALT-y".
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: sonar732 on July 12, 2004, 04:13:38 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Masherbrum
I haven't been able to get into AH2 for almost a month.

P3 800Mhz
XP Home
GeForce 3 64MB Ti200
384RAM


I freeze up upon hitting the ok buttin on the Password screen.  I played AH2 beta without a hitch, with my ZoneAlarmPro 4 ON, I've turned it off.  Still nothing but a lockup that needs to rebooted.  Dunno.  It sucks not being able to shoot some of you down, and get shot down.

<>

Karaya


Masherbrum,

This is actually being discussed in the "Help and Training" area.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/defaultframe.html

Right mouse button click the aceshigh.exe and check "Changes Frequently".

Hope this helps!
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: TheDudeDVant on July 12, 2004, 08:20:17 AM
Karaya,

This is what I had to do with zonealarm..

I had added and removed it so many times for the updates/patchs and such that I had some unremoved instances of AH in Zonealarm(ZA)... I have to remove the instance of AH in ZA, then shutdown ZA and restart it. AH would still be there so i had to remove it again.. I did this about 4 times and finally AH stopped showing up when I would restart ZA.. I added AH and gave permissions and such and all is well..

I dont have the option on my ZA for 'program changes frequently'...  But, I have the free version and its prolly old...
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: Flit on July 12, 2004, 11:35:27 AM
ya know , Tweety, after doing a search on your posts, I've noticed  that:
 1-You don't do any thing but complain about a game you've played less then 2 years, which means you don't have a Clue about the way HT works.
 2-you make no effort to help get the problems fixed,i.e. system posted, what was going on when problem arose, etc.
3- you have a habit of attacking HT
 So, who are you, Wild Bill ?
 and BTW, AH2 is WAY more stable then AH1 was at this stage
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: Siaf__csf on July 12, 2004, 01:24:13 PM
ZoneAlarm is a bunch of wastecode.

Tried it once, left it for what it is.
Title: Re: Dirty little secret
Post by: Edbert on July 12, 2004, 01:37:25 PM
Quote
Originally posted by WilldCrd
oops my bad I thought this was a thread exposing SKUZZY as also being Mr. Black:D

Really? I thought he was the "cigarette smoking man", you know the one that killed Mulder's father?
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: bustr on July 12, 2004, 02:54:02 PM
TweetyBird, if you can get one..try a 128M vid card. :)  You have the ram and front end bus for this game.:)
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: Eagler on July 12, 2004, 03:33:24 PM
Please show me ANY software that works with EVERY computer 100% of the time

no problem here with AH2
XP Pro with 1MB of ram
XP2600 AMD
ATI 9800 Pro card - latest ati drivers
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: TweetyBird on July 12, 2004, 03:37:44 PM
>>TweetyBird, if you can get one..try a 128M vid card.  You have the ram and front end bus for this game.<<

The way I have my sliders set and the resolution I use, I don't use half of the 64mb of vid ram I have. Frame rates aren't a problem -70ish fps.

I'm gonna take a break from the game till September. Maybe by then it will be better. As is it just agravates me induces me to post angry :D

Still debating whether to delete my account till then.
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: TweetyBird on July 12, 2004, 03:48:20 PM
>>Please show me ANY software that works with EVERY computer 100% of the time <<

Photoshop is pretty rock solid.
DiabloII works fine in Win95,98,2000,ME, and even XP with patch 1.10
Never had a problem with 3DStudioMax or Microsof office.
Adobe premiere runs like a champ, as does CivIII.

Your point is well taken, but I don't think it applies to this situation. Its not one or two configurations having a problem, its many. Thats because the mistake is in the code and not the configuration. The way textures are handled was completely redesigned last patch according to release notes. So, I think its safe to assume the first version of the redesign has a few bugs in it. See ya in the fall :D
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: 6GunUSMC on July 12, 2004, 04:42:08 PM
I know there are a few of you people running around like Niedermeyer in 'Animal House' screaming "ALL IS WELL - ALL IS WELL!"  Fact is, this IS buggy software, and yes they are doing their best to resolve the situation - I understand that.

It's crazy to flame people for complaining about it!  People are paying a subscription fee, and as customers they have a RIGHT to complain.  I am sure that the HTC crew would rather hear a number of complaints so that they can fix it rather than have a great number of people simply sneak out the back door quietly.

I am positive that my system is in top shape for the hardware and software installed.  I have had CTDs and massive stutters (freeze frames), some lasting as long as 5 seconds.  Somehow even though i have no folder customization, my cache folder keeps being reset to "Read Only" attribute, as well as a number of my .cfg files are randomly setting themselves to "Read Only".  Clearly, this IS a bug, and has been posted as such.

I am a network administrator and also write minor applications (certainly far less complex that this game) for internal use by my company, so I am aware of the processes they must go through to track down the bugs - I don't envy their position.

But get off of the backs of those who are complaining, it is percisely because of these same complaints that the game will be fixed quicker. (The squeaky wheel always gets the oil)  I do not have any of these problems playing IL2, Warbirds or WW2OL.  I am confident that they will be resolved, but anyone who is paying for the service has every right to complain.

Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: TweetyBird on July 12, 2004, 05:35:36 PM
>>1-You don't do any thing but complain about a game you've played less then 2 years, which means you don't have a Clue about the way HT works.
2-you make no effort to help get the problems fixed,i.e. system posted, what was going on when problem arose, etc.
3- you have a habit of attacking HT <<

Oh gosh - please forgive me - then go read the tech and AH2 bug report board. #1 and #3 might be debatable, but #2 is absolutely ridiculous.

Death by pompom.
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: Fruda on July 12, 2004, 06:28:04 PM
Hey Tweety, ever thought of getting rid of that piece of crap GeForce MX card? AH2 runs very well on a decent setup, which is something that you don't have.

Man, you guys are worse than the people who complain about Steam. You blame coders for the game running like crap, when it's your own fault.

http://www.newegg.com --- Go there, and buy a 9800 Pro. A new mobo and an A64 with a gig of DDR-400 RAM wouldn't hurt, either. In all, that would only be about $700.

And, if you're too stubborn and spoiled to do something like that (even just buying the 9800 Pro would be a huge boost), I can only say this...

Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out :lol .
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: Fruda on July 12, 2004, 06:30:27 PM
FYI, Civ 3 doesn't run like a champ on many PC's. It crashes quite often on my older PC, mainly because it only has SDRAM. And that's on regular-size maps!
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: TweetyBird on July 12, 2004, 06:54:52 PM
>>Hey Tweety, ever thought of getting rid of that piece of crap GeForce MX card? AH2 runs very well on a decent setup, which is something that you don't have. <<

Oooh - I guess you're getting the ruler out. No thanks.
Check the bug reports page and system questionare. There are cards and machines a lot better than mine that are stuttering.
Wanna know why. It aint the vdeo card causing the stuttering - its the hard drive access. I suspect its the WAY the program is accessing the hard drive - i.e., some high level routine asking permission or something instead of a low level exception. Would you care to wager on that?

And while you're at it, why don't you write a program, run beta for about a year, release it, then completely redesign a major component. Makes sense to me (in a microsoft sort of way).
:aok
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: TweetyBird on July 12, 2004, 06:59:13 PM
>>FYI, Civ 3 doesn't run like a champ on many PC's. It crashes quite often on my <<

Probably your sound card - or more likely, the integrated sound.
A lot of the newest drivers for the old sound is hard coded and doesn't work well with dirx.

Course your SRAM might not be fast enough for your cpu. Did you get it at WalMart?
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: Jayclark on July 12, 2004, 07:02:28 PM
I have a Chaintech Geforce 4 Mx 440. Runs all games great. I do have it oced though. Ran AH2 fine before patch 5.
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: Flit on July 12, 2004, 09:42:26 PM
Quote
Originally posted by TweetyBird
>>1-You don't do any thing but complain about a game you've played less then 2 years, which means you don't have a Clue about the way HT works.
2-you make no effort to help get the problems fixed,i.e. system posted, what was going on when problem arose, etc.
3- you have a habit of attacking HT <<

Oh gosh - please forgive me - then go read the tech and AH2 bug report board. #1 and #3 might be debatable, but #2 is absolutely ridiculous.

Death by pompom.

Ok, ok 2 out 3 tho:D
You really should double your RAM and get a better video card,
it would probably solve 95% of your problems
 Maybe the HD access happens 'cause ain't enough RAM left over to hold all the textures. I don't know,maybe not.(I don't claim to know anything about computers)
my setup rocks, and it was 500$ 6 months ago
 All I'm tryin to tell you is to be patient.
o thanks for the "death by pom pom" instead of by, say, baseball bat:)
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: 6GunUSMC on July 12, 2004, 09:46:30 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Flit
Ok, ok 2 out 3 tho:D
You really should double your RAM and get a better video card,
it would probably solve 95% of your problems
 Maybe the HD access happens 'cause ain't enough RAM left over to hold all the textures. I don't know,maybe not.(I don't claim to know anything about computers)
my setup rocks, and it was 500$ 6 months ago
 All I'm tryin to tell you is to be patient.
o thanks for the "death by pom pom" instead of by, say, baseball bat:)


Even with my system i am having the same problem that he is having and so are many others.  If there was not a problem, Pyro wouldnt have posted a sticky for this very reason... He is trying to trace a problem.  The GF4 440MX is in my backup machine, the card does a fine job producing the FPS, besides the base card is a GF2 MX.
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: Flit on July 12, 2004, 10:52:42 PM
Quote
Originally posted by 6GunUSMC
Even with my system i am having the same problem that he is having and so are many others.  If there was not a problem, Pyro wouldnt have posted a sticky for this very reason... He is trying to trace a problem.  The GF4 440MX is in my backup machine, the card does a fine job producing the FPS, besides the base card is a GF2 MX.

 it's  the way that it's put that bugs me.
 It's obvious that HTC is making a sincere effort to find and quash the bugs,there's no reason to flame someone who is trying, when someone is running a borderline machine ( not refering to you).
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: glacey145 on July 13, 2004, 03:42:26 AM
Since AH2 appeared I've had so much warping in the MA that I have pretty well stopped going there.  I get no warping in the training arena.  I never had warping with AH1.

The warping occurs in areas of medium/high 'activity'.

Pentium 4 2.9 gz
MSI 845PE Max3
Nvidia Geforce4 Ti 4400   56.72
512MB Ram
WinXP SP1
DirectX 9.0b
Hotas cougar- Uber mod/hoffman pedals
DSL Connection - consistent ping 168
No packet loss on test
All possible background programs closed.

glacey
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: save on July 13, 2004, 04:07:41 AM
Have same problems as glacey.

Only in "hot" areas do I get warping.

In Warbirds long ago a server update (hardware me thinks) thing helped out similar problems.

Time for a server update ?
I see no problems in traceroutes etc.

Good thing : Video card memory does not get
eaten up any longer for me.

p4 2.8
Ati 9700 pro
Msi Neo-L
1 gig ram
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: killnu on July 13, 2004, 06:12:21 AM
ive read on this post twice about spending 500-700 dollars on puter parts now to play this game.  ive read on other post on how HT didnt add this or that so that the game can be "playable" for those with little lesser systems.  hmmm?  seems like those 2 arent adding up to me.  i myself wouldnt go spend that kinda money to play a "game".  thats seems a bit rediculous, imo.
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: flyingaround on July 13, 2004, 07:47:20 AM
Quote
Originally posted by killnu
ive read on other post on how HT didtn add this or that so that the game can be "playable" for those with little lesser systems.


All I want is playable.  And as it is, it's not.  
I miss my addiction.  I had an easier time getin' over my failed marriage than I am not flying.
ROFL not exactly sure what that says 'bout me tho'
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: Nwbie on July 13, 2004, 11:21:11 AM
Shane,
Could you list out the processes you have left running?
I have it down to 22, I thought that was good, but you just freaked me out. I didn't think I could turn anymore off.

I am assuming you are running WinXP Home

Thanks

NwBie
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: TweetyBird on July 13, 2004, 12:50:52 PM
Flit, I wasn't trying to flame HTC. I honestly think they should consider rolling back until they can debug a more efficient way of handling textures. I don't think its a conspiracy to make customers angry, but I do think some tunnel vision is in play. They see the end product, but people who are suffering from bad performance are just seeing a game they are suscribing to and can't play - and all of a sudden. Had I been having performance problems throughout beta, I probably would have done the same as a few people who just walked after AH2 went live. But AH2 was running fine for me throughout beta, the first release, and a few patches . Then BAM - patch5 - can't play.

I think waiting to September is patience. I wonder though, if HTC would have the same patience if there was a problem with my credit card. I sure they probably would, but I think it would be wrong of me to *count* on them having patience. I think its just as wrong for HTC to count on people accepting a beta quality game while they reach their goal. Again, a lot of users will I guess. I mean in the end, this is a business relationship. You pay A and get B. All of a sudden you're paying A and getting a little B :D
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: glacey145 on July 13, 2004, 01:21:14 PM
In graphics terms I see no useful improvement with AH2. things look much the same to me. I'd be more than happy to revert to AH1. WB became awful once they fiddled the graphics with WB3...looks like a similar route.
Title: Perspective
Post by: WilldCrd on July 13, 2004, 06:06:22 PM
using your Parents old puter to play AH2 cause your took a lightning hit-free
slapping in a nvidia fx5200 to play-$60
Being able to play on a pIII 866mghz with 384mb ram and a fx5200 vid card and getting an average of 40-50fps- priceless


Saving up for that monster system-eternity
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: Zippatuh on July 13, 2004, 06:27:17 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Nwbie
Shane,
Could you list out the processes you have left running?
I have it down to 22, I thought that was good, but you just freaked me out. I didn't think I could turn anymore off.

I am assuming you are running WinXP Home

Thanks

NwBie


Newbie,

You can do it yourself, just look for my earlier post and grab the ZIP file with all of the startups, including XP.

Run “msconfig” and hit the startup tab.  Then search through the document for what the processes are and uncheck what you don’t need at runtime.
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: TracerX on July 13, 2004, 06:40:46 PM
Hey everyone, I am not sure if this helps, but I used to have problems with the frame rates freezing, and I noticed it happened every time a new sound was being played, IE: guns firing, landing gear and flaps deployed.  My sound card is built into the Motherboard, and the latest drivers did not help, so I found an old PCI sound card and installed it, and I have had no problems since.

Good Luck
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: TweetyBird on July 13, 2004, 07:14:59 PM
If you have the time Tracer, you should post the before and after results on the system questionare in the AH2 bug report group. With the specific changes you made (drivers, motherboard, etc.), it might help HTC.  There seems to be two sources of the stutters, and one is sound related.
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: Fruda on July 13, 2004, 11:17:52 PM
My older PC is a custom-built from a few years back. It's the SDRAM.
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: Shane on July 14, 2004, 03:23:47 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Nwbie
Shane,
Could you list out the processes you have left running?
I have it down to 22, I thought that was good, but you just freaked me out. I didn't think I could turn anymore off.
I am assuming you are running WinXP Home


XP Pro

Startup processes

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/150_1089793901_procrunpre1.jpg)


After killing process I don't neeeeeeeed running for what i'm doing, this is what's left. Don't forget to account for the task manager and mspaint that would normally be closed.

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/150_1089793155_procrunpost.jpg)
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: BUG_EAF322 on July 14, 2004, 04:45:36 AM
get enditall

only a few freeware site left

i get easily to 18 processes
14 when i disable the antivirus scanner
Title: The dirty little secret
Post by: Kev367th on July 14, 2004, 09:14:22 PM
After getting loads CTD etc I decided to try something.
Originally I had the AH2.0 exe installed plus the 5 patches.

a) Uninstalled AH2 deleted folders etc that were left behind ( so uninstall is a little fugged ).
b) Downloaded the latest AH2 exe v2.5 (all in one).
c) Installed it.

Played for way over 12hrs now without one CTD or any major probs. Stutters will vanish once I have all skins again.

Next step is to install Mitsu's sounds again . If CTDs start up again, guess we may have found the culprit. If the CTD's don't return, culprit is original AH2.0 exe plus the 5 patches.