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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sandman on July 11, 2004, 09:44:09 PM
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I can't believe they would even consider this...
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=4&u=/nm/20040711/ts_nm/politics_election_terror_dc
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So let me get this straight:
Planning ahead for terrorist attack-BAD
Not planning ahead for terrorist attack-BAD
Which way do you want it?
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delaying the elections would be a HUGE victory for the terrorists.
I will vote, no mater what happends that day.
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Yeah that would suck real bad if we have to resort to this. But don't ya think it might be a good idea to plan for the worst and expect the best?
ditto to what lizking said....
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Making a plan is good.
Making a plan to suspend the election is horrible.
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What if the terrorist have people in place to bomb polling places? What if I or you can't vote that day because where you or I were to vote is on fire and full of police, ambulances and dead people? What if Bush or Kerry are taken out on oh say Nov. 1? You do remember the New York primary elections on 9/11/01 right?
oh wait I forgot, Bush is hitler. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Udie
oh wait I forgot, Bush is hitler.
You said it, not me. :D
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bastard! don't make me laugh! I'm trying to start a good tirade here!:D
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Sandman, seriously. If 9/11/01 happened on election day, wouldn't you be robbing a lot of people of the right to vote? Do you really want people to vote under that high of an emotion, anyway?
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Originally posted by Lizking
Sandman, seriously. If 9/11/01 happened on election day, wouldn't you be robbing a lot of people of the right to vote? Do you really want people to vote under that high of an emotion, anyway?
Not necessarily. I could see putting it off for a day or two, or maybe even a week.
I'll admit that when I first read the article, I envisioned a delay of months even though the story doesn't hint at a length of time.
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I think we all agree that we would definitely not want this to happen and it would be a victory for the terrorist, but it would only be a temporary victory. I gotta say I think it's pretty gutsy for them to even say they are making a plan for this. The anti-bushies (I'm talking about the rabid ones) are going to jump all over this. I'm glad they're making a contengency for this though. It's nice to think that there's a plan to fall back on if the terrorist do succeed in distrupting our elections.
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Wow, look at the party lines come to the forefront. If the Dems had proposed this the Repubs would be calling it the "Spanish Plan". :rolleyes:
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I don't see a reason to delay elections if the attack is the day before. The Supervisor of Elections in each county/district/voting block should have a continuity of operations plan in place in case one or more polling sites is made unusable.
If the attack is on the day of, then I don't see why the election should be delayed for all the USA. Those polling areas effected by a terrorist attack can have their ballots cast the next day at alternative sites or by whatever means the Supervisor of Elections selected in their continuity of operations plan. I don't know about other areas, but I can tell you that in Florida, ever since Hurricane Andrew, all government agencies have had to have a continuity of ops plan.
As far as emotions...the US held elections during the Civil War, WWI, and WWII...pretty emotional times. I don't see how the War on Terrorism should set a new precident over those other times of war.
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Thrawn,
I am a conservitive, and I do not want to see the elections delayed at all, unless there is NO way to aviod it. IE, what Udie said about polling places burning or the Pres and his competition dead.
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no Thrawn I'd call it smart thinking. And I wouldn't like it as much as I don't like this.
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I honestly can't imagine such attack that would precipate such a reaction that wouldn't make the question moot anyways. But prehaps I'm just not that creative?
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I can unfortunately think of several.
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Delay the election? The Bush conspiracy theorist looneys would have a field day. Micheal Moore would have to make a whole new movie...
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Here's one reason why and no it isn't because of terrorism.
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_29/b3892061_mz011.htm
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Here's one reason why and no it isn't because of terrorism.
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_29/b3892061_mz011.htm
lol :rofl nbc poll? :rofl was it off their website?
I dunno know.... (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040711/D83OSE400.html)
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I don't think they are considering delaying the elections. From reading the Article the Bush administration is pushing a bill so that the Federal Government has legal authority to do so IF we ever do need to delay.
Crumpp
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Bad bill. Won't pass. Just sayin'.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Delay the election? Micheal Moore would have to make a whole new movie...
c'mon grun, I'll buy the tickets!;)
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I'm no authority on the constitution but I think it would take a constitutional amendment to delay the presidential election a single day beyond January 20.
Amendment XX
Section 1. The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin.
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Bah! put the terrorists in panic mode.....dont delay the election, move it up! :p
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I know that I will suffer tens of "boosh is Hitler" type answers.
But I cannot resist to express my worries for you... us all.
Giving a government the power to delay at will the elections, it's one of the first steps to dictatorate.
Check Mussolini's starting moves.
And Hitler's too.
Watch out, gents, stay vigilant.
:eek:
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Originally posted by BlkKnit
Bah! put the terrorists in panic mode.....dont delay the election, move it up! :p
LOL, this will be a truly strategic move.
Mantain the initiative, hit first! :)
Can you imagine the faces of the terrorists still working and preparing the bombs or wathever they are supposed to use, when channel xxxx announce the moved up election day?
"tomorrow? TOMORROW??? :eek: "
:rofl
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I don't think they would disrupt the elections unless it looked like kerry was gonna lose..
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I don't think they would disrupt the elections unless it looked like kerry was gonna lose..
lazs
nah, they'll just hold the polls open until more gays, woman, drunks and other "democrats" can get to them and vote as they have been told to vote if they can find/poke out the right hole ..
or they'll hide a couple hundred boxes of bush ballots ...
or they'll just recount until the entire nation looks like dopes and require the courts step in and stop it ....
ya know, just like they did in 2000...
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Delay the election? The Bush conspiracy theorist looneys would have a field day. Micheal Moore would have to make a whole new movie...
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Naso
I know that I will suffer tens of "boosh is Hitler" type answers.
But I cannot resist to express my worries for you... us all.
Giving a government the power to delay at will the elections, it's one of the first steps to dictatorate.
Check Mussolini's starting moves.
And Hitler's too.
Watch out, gents, stay vigilant.
:eek:
Don't forget FDR had 3 terms (or was it 4? dunremembchit) ;)
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well... lately... if even one bus load full of colored folk breaks down it is allmost enough to declare the election null and void.
imagine if a few "select" polling places were disrupted.
lazs
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Don't forget FDR had 3 terms (or was it 4? dunremembchit) ;)
elected 4 times.
All 4 on election day.
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A nuke goes off in DC and wipes out half of congress, the pres and VP, i think would be cause to delay the elections a bit to have new candidates run for office, prolly with a few month delay.
Many thing can happen that would be reeasonable to delay an election, couple more buildings in NYC toppling for instance.
Having the color code bar be at second to highest level would not be a reason to delay, another theatre of way would not either.
But a massive terrorist attack on US soil would be.
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There will always be decisions made for political reasons, we ARE talking about Washington here. But if the decision to postpone the elections came up in the month or two before the election there would be more suspicions of political motives than there is talking about it this early.
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If America was attacked on election day, how would that look for a safe america??
If America is attacked between now and election day, how would that look for a safe america?
If America is attacked again during Bush's term, how does that look for a safe america? If we are attacked again with anything even remote to 9/11, is that not enough reason to vote Bush out? Is this not proof that America is no safer now than 3 years ago? Would this not constitute another failure on this administration's watch?
If we are attacked again, are you neos still going to back Bush and his policies?
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how would you be able to compare? I mean, we have never been in this position before and kerry has never been in power so how would you compare.
It would be just as easy and accurate to say "good thing kerry didn't get in and gut the military and homeland security" even if, or, even more so if we were attacked ten times.
lazs
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lol Lazs.. thats pretty comical..
Let them attack us! Let them burn our cities! Kill our children! Let the terrorist rule.. Just keep Kerry outta office!
typical..........
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
If America was attacked on election day, how would that look for a safe america??
If America is attacked between now and election day, how would that look for a safe america?
If America is attacked again during Bush's term, how does that look for a safe america? If we are attacked again with anything even remote to 9/11, is that not enough reason to vote Bush out? Is this not proof that America is no safer now than 3 years ago? Would this not constitute another failure on this administration's watch?
If we are attacked again, are you neos still going to back Bush and his policies?
Not sure what you're trying to say. We were attacked multiple times with Clinton at the helm. What did he do to ensure a safer America? We voted him back in.
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what good would a delay do? you have to notify people so they can show up and vote, and this has to be very public knowledge. so you find out about attacks that are planned and delay the election and the terrorists delay the attacks.
whats the gain? other than Bush being able to produce more BS "intelligence" and delay getting voted out of office.
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I don't think that report said anything about delaying the vote to prevent attacks but rather in the event of attacks. With all the second guessing done over 9/11 he'd be very foolish not to consider contingencies during a time of great importance.
Non-issue.
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
If we are attacked again, are you neos still going to back Bush and his policies?
Yes, but you already knew that so why waste ur breath and ask the question?
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dude... what would kerry do that would ensure that we were safer from terror than Bush is doing? Would gutting ther military do it? How bout getting rid of homeland security? What exactly would he do?
guess we could nuke the jews... that might make people like us... no? still envious? we could start up a bunch of worthless and wasteful social programs like national health until our economy was wrecked and everyone had teeth as bad as the british and then I bet the euros would like us! once we are as poor as them and as shackled then they will like us.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
dude... what would kerry do that would ensure that we were safer from terror than Bush is doing? Would gutting ther military do it? How bout getting rid of homeland security? What exactly would he do?
guess we could nuke the jews... that might make people like us... no? still envious? we could start up a bunch of worthless and wasteful social programs like national health until our economy was wrecked and everyone had teeth as bad as the british and then I bet the euros would like us! once we are as poor as them and as shackled then they will like us.
lazs
I think my point was more along the lines of if Bush has been in office for 4 years, 3 of which have been dedicated to nothing but the war on terror and making the US a safer place, yet we are still attacked by terrorist in our homeland.. He needs to go because his policies are ineffective.. Being attacked again in our homeland would prove this beyond a reasonable doubt.. I understand this would still not be enough for some of you to lose faith in him..
and Lazs, please tell me you still dont believe they attack us because they are jealous of us..
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There have been terrorist attacks against the US for much longer than just 4 years. They didn't stop when we sat around and did nothing and they won't go away if we relent now.
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jeez come on guys don't you get it? The war on terror was supposed to be a long drawn out war that lasted 3 years or less to win! I mean come on it's not like there's a clear cut enemy like in WW1 or WW2 ya know? How hard is it to hunt down some sheep hearders anway?
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Originally posted by AKIron
There have been terrorist attacks against the US for much longer than just 4 years. They didn't stop when we sat around and did nothing and they won't go away if we relent now.
Other than the attack on the WTCs, what other terroist attacks have we suffered in our homeland? I mean the original WTC attack.
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TDV,
he didn't say attacks against our homeland. He said attacks on the US. Read your post, you quoted his.
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We have had a bunch, dating back to the late fifties.
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Originally posted by Udie
TDV,
he didn't say attacks against our homeland. He said attacks on the US. Read your post, you quoted his.
I know what he said.. I said what I said for purpose..
If we cant secure OUR nation, what business have we around the world? If we cant be protected here, why attempt to protect Iraqi?
My point is it will be hard to kill 3,000 plus non-military americans anywhere but here in America.. I would hope whomever is president would protect us first..
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Originally posted by Lizking
We have had a bunch, dating back to the late fifties.
I disagree.
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And you would be wrong:
1950 Assassination attempt on President Truman. Puerto Rican nationalist kill one District of Columbia policeman during an attempted assassination of President Harry S. Truman outside of Blair House in Washington, D.C.
1954 Shooting in the U.S. House of Representatives. Five members of Congress are wounded by gunfire during an attack by Puerto Rican nationalist on the U.S. House of Representatives.
1972 Fraunces Tavern Bombing. Four people die in this bombing at a historic tavern in downtown New York City. The Puerto Rican nationalist group FALN is blamed for the attack, one of the 49 bombings in New York attributed to them between 1974 and 1977
1975 LaGuardia Airport Bombing. Eleven are killed, 75 are injured in this attack by Croatian nationalists at this New York City Airport.
1976 Letelier Assassination. Orlando Letelier, the former Chilean ambassador to the United States, is killed by a car bomb in Washington, D.C. The bomb, planted by Chile's Pinochet government, also kills one of Letelier's associates while injuring another.
1981 Kennedy Airport Bombing. One man is killed when a bomb planted by a group calling itself the Puerto Rican Armed Resistance goes off in a men's bathroom at New York City's international airport.
1983 U.S. Senate Bombing. A bomb goes off in the cloak room next to U.S. Senate in the Capitol Building. Two left-wing radicals plead guilty to the attack.
1993 World Trade Center Bombing
1995 Oklahoma City Bombing
1996 Olympic Bombing
1997 Abortion Clinic Bombing
We won't even bother to discuss the rash of airplane hijackings from the early 60's on or the looneys of the 1960s and 70s.
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I know there have been other incidents, I was just to lazy to go find them.
I found another internet search tool. :D
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Uh-huh. Feel free to use it before you make yourself look goofy.
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If Al Quieda can hit that many polling places to affect the vote outcome, then we have a much bigger thing to worry about.
FWIW, they don't.
I don't like the door open for postponing ANY election.
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How many would they have to blow up before many thousands were too afraid to go vote?
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How many would they have to blow up before many thousands were too afraid to go vote?
only a few imo
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How many polling places have to be closed before the loser declares the election unfair?
lazs