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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Heretic on July 12, 2004, 04:12:20 AM
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I'm curious why there are so many threads dedicated to bashing the USA?
Would it appease everyone if the USA was an isolationist country?
We sure as hell wouldn't have to worry about Foreign Policy now would we? Just let all of the worlds countries take care of their own problems. We just mind our own business and let the rest of world hash out their own problems. No more foreign aid.
Sure would save us American taxpayers alot of hard earned wages.
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People elsewhere simply didn't find the Iraq war justified with the reasons it was started for.
Neither did they like the bush administration acting like a bunch of dolts towards other nations.
For example Bush literally called the french decision to not join the war as "silly" and so on forth, as if he would've had any say to wars which they participate.
That doesn't raise many supporters for his administration.
Overall I doubt the USA bashing is directed against the people or the nation itself, it's more the fault of Bush administration and their lies to start a war and all the BS hes said.
What comes to these forums, if you haven't noticed, many americans have been bashing french back and forth, along with other europeans.... even calling them anti-american!
So before you just wonder why theres USA bashing (in these forums), you should really consider all whats said by the americans themselves.
Some american posters here haven't been exactly the best at being polite...
French bashing alone was far worse than USA bashing - in the forums most of the aggressive bashing out of nowhere was against euros and french.
For example I could've said a thing of US politics and I've been marked as anti-american or had a reply where they bash euros due this and that.
I don't really have anything against the people, it's just the bush administration whish I dislike and some of the political yahoos who knows nothing but what Bush has told them and doesnt know what an 'anti-american' even means, but yet often uses the word.
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It is not USA bashing. It is against the US goverment and its foreign politics. Some people here refuse to see that and make it into more than it is.
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I'm going to bash all USIANS, starting by teh Skuzzyn4t0r:
(http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/984/welcome_texas.jpg)
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I think when Bush said "You're either with us or you're with the terrorists" ticked off a lot of people/nations.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
I think when Bush said "You're either with us or you're with the terrorists" ticked off a lot of people/nations.
Good point.
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I've met plenty of amurricans and had quite good time with them; last were a B-1 crew member and a crippled vet when multinational WWIIOL squad had a meeting in Sweden.
It's just that your prez and the jesters surrounding him are a fools and liers.
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If the prez causes all this animosity to come out in the open instead of the normal fake butt smootching then I'm all for him.
If the euros on this board want kerry then that should be enough for any American to vote Bush next election.
lazs
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We'd actually prefer Colin Powell, but he ain't running.
Daniel
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between Bush and kerry... who do you want? And what about powell appeals to you?
lazs
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Ah, most of the bashers are just jealous the the USA is a great country, and theirs isn't. :D
dago
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Originally posted by Dago
Ah, most of the bashers are just jealous the the USA is a great country, and theirs isn't. :D
dago
Excellent bate if you had just left out the smiley ;)
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Ah, most of the bashers are just jealous the the USA is a great country, and theirs isn't.
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No bashing, just disagreement for the most part.
Of course disagreement is taken AS bashing by most Amuricans.
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Originally posted by Fishu
For example I could've said a thing of US politics and I've been marked as anti-american or had a reply where they bash euros due this and that.
I don't really have anything against the people, it's just the bush administration whish I dislike and some of the political yahoos who knows nothing but what Bush has told them and doesnt know what an 'anti-american' even means, but yet often uses the word.
Hell.... you don't have to be a foriegner to be labeled anti-american. There's a lot of people on this board that will label americans as anti-american if they don't perscribe to their point of view.
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Originally posted by Fishu
People elsewhere simply didn't find the Iraq war justified with the reasons it was started for.
Actually most people in the US feel this way also.
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Originally posted by ra
Ah, most of the bashers are just jealous the the USA is a great country, and theirs isn't.
now its a good bate, but put it in a separate thread for full effect.
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Curval is spot on.
Bunch of little girls... especially Lazs.
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Nilsen, I don't think it's good bait at all.
I mean, it was already used (albeit poorly and without even a nibble).
All Ra did was take it off of Dago's hook and stick it on his own.
The stink has already been washed off, and it aint gonna attract any fishies at all.
Ra, if you are commited to using it, maybe you can try spitting on the hook first.:D
RTR
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Originally posted by SirLoin
I think when Bush said "You're either with us or you're with the terrorists" ticked off a lot of people/nations.
There is only 2 sides to that coin. The terrorists won't allow there to be any nuetral ground. If you do not believe in the terrorist's philosophy then you are lumped in to be on our side regardless in their poisoned minds. So why should that piss anyone off? We just took a similar stance basically saying if you get in the way of our war on terror them you are just helping the terrorist wether that was your intention or not terefor wether you like it or not you would technically be on their side.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Actually most people in the US feel this way also.
Based on what? The polls just before we went to war, showing that 70% of US citizens supported the decision? Anti-Americanism is not new, and it cannot be attributed to the Bush adminstration, as it has been around far longer than that. President Bush is simply the current focus, as he had the audacity to act in his country's (as well as the world's) best interests when some (SOME, not ALL) other countries had not the courage.
I for one have never heard the President utter any negative comments about the French, German, or Russian nations. Indeed, when the American public's anger with these nations was greatest, President Bush continued to state whenever asked that these nations were our friends, despite disagreements over how to handle Iraq. I also don't recall the "silly" remark; I'd be interested in reading the entire statement, Fishu. It lacks a contextual frame of reference.
We went to war with Iraq because they refused to live up to the ceasefire agreement after 12 years and 17 U.N. resolutions. We have found weapons of mass destruction (though admittedly not in the quanities expected). More importantly is irrefutable evidence that Sadam had every intention -- and was successfully hiding from U.N. inspectors the necessary infrastructure and capability -- to restart it's WMD programs the moment the U.N. was no longer looking. His regime's ties to terrorism are also well documented.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
now its a good bate, but put it in a separate thread for full effect.
Nah, too much trouble.
Canada sucks.
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Originally posted by Coolridr
There is only 2 sides to that coin. The terrorists won't allow there to be any nuetral ground. If you do not believe in the terrorist's philosophy then you are lumped in to be on our side regardless in their poisoned minds. So why should that piss anyone off? We just took a similar stance basically saying if you get in the way of our war on terror them you are just helping the terrorist wether that was your intention or not terefor wether you like it or not you would technically be on their side.
I am your friend.
I am NOT your slave.
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Originally posted by Sabre
Based on what? The polls just before we went to war, showing that 70% of US citizens supported the decision? Anti-Americanism is not new, and it cannot be attributed to the Bush adminstration, as it has been around far longer than that. President Bush is simply the current focus, as he had the audacity to act in his country's (as well as the world's) best interests when some (SOME, not ALL) other countries had not the courage.
I for one have never heard the President utter any negative comments about the French, German, or Russian nations. Indeed, when the American public's anger with these nations was greatest, President Bush continued to state whenever asked that these nations were our friends, despite disagreements over how to handle Iraq. I also don't recall the "silly" remark; I'd be interested in reading the entire statement, Fishu. It lacks a contextual frame of reference.
We went to war with Iraq because they refused to live up to the ceasefire agreement after 12 years and 17 U.N. resolutions. We have found weapons of mass destruction (though admittedly not in the quanities expected). More importantly is irrefutable evidence that Sadam had every intention -- and was successfully hiding from U.N. inspectors the necessary infrastructure and capability -- to restart it's WMD programs the moment the U.N. was no longer looking. His regime's ties to terrorism are also well documented.
I am your friend.
I am NOT your slave.
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Originally posted by ra
Nah, too much trouble.
Canada sucks.
Are you canadian?
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Yeah, I should have left off the smiley since really it is true. Most of the bashers hate the USA because it is a great country and we are not ashamed to say so. I think you would also find most of the bashers live in countries that have no real standing in world affairs any longer, they are just annoying little puppies yapping for attention but basically ignored by the big dogs.
Example:
Finland, yeah, there's a world power with a say in anything.
Canada, right up there with the decision makers (yeah, that one cracks me up too). Hell, they aren't sure if they are Canadiens, if they really are stilll part of the British empire or if they are maybe French.
The list goes on, the bashers are from easily ignored countries, and their impotence frustrates them.
Hows that? Great bait, and yet so true.
dago
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Found a typo Dago. Its large, not great. I know its easy to confuse those 2 words so i thought id just help you out.
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Originally posted by ra
Nah, too much trouble.
Canada sucks.
not all of it
took the wife to see her last Friday night
(http://www.screensaverjapan.com/musicart/shania/shania.jpg)
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LOL!
These threads always degenerate to the same thing, over and over and over again.
I guess it's all a matter of personal perspective. I am quite secure in the fact that I am proud of my country.
I don't feel a need to list any reasons, and I don't feel a need to belittle anybody elses pride in thier country.
To some extent I think we all tend to live "in our own back yards" and react to what directly affects us at the time.
I have been half way around the world, lived in 3 different countries and always have found the same thing. People are proud of thier history, and once removed from the political fillibustering are, by and large, just good people.
"It's all aboot the beer an' fish'n eh!"
cheers,
RTR
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Originally posted by ra
Ah, most of the bashers are just jealous the the USA is a great country, and theirs isn't.
I think the USA are about to turn from a great country into a big country. ;)
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Originally posted by Sabre
Based on what? The polls just before we went to war, showing that 70% of US citizens supported the decision?
The most recent polls show only 41% supporting the decision.
Unfortunately one of the things I see very often in here is that stating the facts is often seen as anti-American. Thank you for making that point for me.
I supported the invasion of Iraq too when we did it. Now I would agree with the majority of Americans that it was probably not the best course of action. Isn't America wonderful?
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MT
Were in Sabres post did he say you were anti american?
Is question your point of view some how an acusation of that?
Or did I miss it?
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Originally posted by Dago
Yeah, I should have left off the smiley since really it is true. Most of the bashers hate the USA because it is a great country and we are not ashamed to say so. I think you would also find most of the bashers live in countries that have no real standing in world affairs any longer, they are just annoying little puppies yapping for attention but basically ignored by the big dogs.
Example:
Finland, yeah, there's a world power with a say in anything.
Canada, right up there with the decision makers (yeah, that one cracks me up too). Hell, they aren't sure if they are Canadiens, if they really are stilll part of the British empire or if they are maybe French.
The list goes on, the bashers are from easily ignored countries, and their impotence frustrates them.
Hows that? Great bait, and yet so true.
dago
lol...
Way to bash man (but its okay...'cause you are American.)
:rolleyes:
Posts like this is WHY you guys get criticised. Can't you see that?
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If only having the will to do what you want to do was equivilent to having the courage to do what you should do. George Bush would be a brave man indeed.
He has the courage of a gambler at least. But others pay his debts.
1007+ many 1000s wounded. (http://icasualties.org/oif/)
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Posts like this is WHY you guys get criticised. Can't you see that?
Curval, you really have me perplexed.
I can't decide if you are a bright guy, or a complete idiot. Oh well.
What you seem so happy to ignore, absolutely pretend doesn't happen is this, most every thread in which Americans bash another country (excluding France) is virtually always in response to someone else bashing American first.
Take Thrawn for example, that deranged butthole has at times had 4 or more threads visible with negative titles and content regarding the USA, though at the time nobody from the USA had attacked Canada.
The origination of country bashing has been almost exclusive to other nationals starting it against the USA.
So your pathetic "it's the USA posters own fault" is not even close to accurate.
I will acknowlege some of us, myself included attacked France first on many occasions, but that is due to a very open, very publicized situation that has mirrored Frances refusal to assist us in the past. (ungrateful tards).
So, please limit yourself to truthful allegations in the future.
dago
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Posts like this is WHY you guys get criticised. Can't you see that?
bull****, USA bashing is a favorite pastime of you people. The hell with all of you. It wouldnt matter what we did or what was going on you would look down your nose at us. Their is no reasoning with you or getting you to understand what point of view we may have. No matter what happens you will revert to stereotyping and insults so theres no point of talking with you people. So **** you, God Bless America.
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An American's perpective on "bashing" (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=78136&highlight=USA+bashing)
...and Slash...before you start to point fingers at "you" people I suggest you go back and read my opinions of the US and Americans in general.
I am not Eurotrash (as most Americans like to refer to Europeans on this board) or a Canadian resident. I live in Bermuda. I think I am the only one on these boards. It provides an interesting perspective on things on what is written here.
Check out the thread about Kerry and cars right here on page 1...in it coolrider has assumed that I am a Euro...now why is that? It is because I have disagreed with his point of view. The answer then is "well he is only a Euro so his opinion doesn't count."
It is this type of attitude that annoys non-Americans. Your post, and Dago's, exemplifies this perfectly.
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Originally posted by Slash27
Posts like this is WHY you guys get criticised. Can't you see that?
bull****, USA bashing is a favorite pastime of you people. The hell with all of you. It wouldnt matter what we did or what was going on you would look down your nose at us. Their isno reasoning with you or getting you to understand what point of view we may have. No matter what happens you will revert to stereotyping and insults so theres no point of talking with you people. So **** you, God Bless America.
this opinion is shared by the majority in the US that has a set - take it to the bank
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Dago...your response has me perplexed.
You complain about being bashed by referring to anyone outside the US as yapping puppies. Is this chest thumping...or do you seriously consider non-Americans in this light?
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Originally posted by Eagler
this opinion is shared by the majority in the US that has a set - take it to the bank
huh?
So, to "have a set" you need to sit back and say "everyone else is jealous of us because we are great."
Good diplomacy.:aok
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So many tears. Should just rename this place The Girl's Club.
-SW
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Actually most people in the US feel this way also.
Not true, from what I recall most polls indicated that about 60% of Americans favored ousting Saddam.
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Hmmm...this thread has gone suddenly quiet.
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Originally posted by Curval
huh?
So, to "have a set" you need to sit back and say "everyone else is jealous of us because we are great."
Good diplomacy.:aok
to "have a set" means you are:
not gay
not female
and not a whining liberal
:)
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Well then I do indeed have a set.
:aok
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I recall most polls indicated that about 60% of Americans favored ousting Saddam.
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It was over 70% early on when things were going well.
Unfortunately not all americans stand fast when things get rough. There will always be people that turn and run (change their mind) when confronted with difficulty.
Stand fast.
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Yeah!
Were is MT when you need him??
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it's more the fault of Bush administration and their lies to start a war and all the BS hes said.
Specifically what lies? Time to put up or shut up, Fishu.
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don't bother fishu...boooosh will be gone in another 3 1/2 months
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I'll remember you said that toronto.
Nice try on trying to get Fishu off the hook... time for him to show examples or stop spewing garbage.
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Originally posted by Fishu
People elsewhere simply didn't find the Iraq war justified with the reasons it was started for.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
point of order::
the "war" started when saddam invaded Kawait, there was a 12 year cease fire, then the "war" resumed.
last night i want to a party, i met a man & wife from Bulgaria. He move here 3 yrs ago and learned english because he wanted to a "american"
He spent most of the night telling me want a great country America is.
i report , you decide
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Originally posted by Steve
I'll remember you said that toronto.
fair enough...I will add you to my list of 'people to taunt' come Nov. 2;)
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Originally posted by Steve
Specifically what lies? Time to put up or shut up, Fishu.
The Senate Intelligence Committee Report seems to have proven the "he lied" crowd wrong already.
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Originally posted by Yeager
I recall most polls indicated that about 60% of Americans favored ousting Saddam.
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It was over 70% early on when things were going well.
Unfortunately not all americans stand fast when things get rough. There will always be people that turn and run (change their mind) when confronted with difficulty.
Stand fast.
A strangly simulare % as had been led to believe that Iraq was responsible for 9/11.
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A strangly simulare % as had been led to believe that Iraq was responsible for 9/11.
Where do you come up with this stuff? You become more full of **** the more you post.
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Originally posted by john9001
last night i want to a party, i met a man & wife from Bulgaria. He move here 3 yrs ago and learned english because he wanted to a "american"
He spent most of the night telling me want a great country America is.
i report , you decide
You should not expect critic from someone who volontary choose to leave his country to another having a complete different language and culture.
He has not been deported no ?
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Originally posted by Dago
Curval, you really have me perplexed.
I can't decide if you are a bright guy, or a complete idiot. Oh well.
What you seem so happy to ignore, absolutely pretend doesn't happen is this, most every thread in which Americans bash another country (excluding France) is virtually always in response to someone else bashing American first.
Lie.
The origination of country bashing has been almost exclusive to other nationals starting it against the USA.
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Lie
So your pathetic "it's the USA posters own fault" is not even close to accurate.[/B]
dunno and don't care.
I will acknowlege some of us, myself included attacked France first on many occasions, but that is due to a very open, very publicized situation that has mirrored Frances refusal to assist us in the past. (ungrateful tards).
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true you're allways right when you're bashing someone
So, please limit yourself to truthful allegations in the future.[/B]
What about practicing you're own advice ?
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Straffo, would you consider that it is actually possible that the U.S. offers more opportunity than some other countries and that this man had the foresight to realize this?
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Originally posted by Steve
Straffo, would you consider that it is actually possible that the U.S. offers more opportunity than some other countries and that this man had the foresight to realize this?
hu ?
I didn't mentionned this point in my post, you've read something I didn't wrote :)
I just say : if he came to the USA it was certainly not to critic
You're right when you say it's a choice giving him more opportunity , it's just I didn't post about this ... well not at the time of my former post :D
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You complain about being bashed by referring to anyone outside the US as yapping puppies. Is this chest thumping...or do you seriously consider non-Americans in this light?
Not chest thumping, must be your comprehension problem.
Just insulting the tards from countries of no import who have been trying to "put us in our place" on this board. Ya know, the french, the finns, the canadiens, the odd bermudan.
:D
dago
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lol
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if he came to the USA it was certainly not to critic
It's what miko did.
Straffo, it's easy to say "lie", but saying it is worthless unless you prove it. Go ahead.
But you're french, nothing you say matters anyway.
dago
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Originally posted by Steve
Where do you come up with this stuff? You become more full of **** the more you post.
Really? It wasnt secret.
Wish I was as smart and honest and handsome as steve! (http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/984509/posts)
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I have in the past been accused of America bashing. However I rarely enter into the political debates on here - I don't think it's an appropriate forum when so many of the participants have seen only one country.
It always cracks me up when Americans whine about their country being bashed. Seems they're only too happy and gleeful to piss all over the rest of us, and then play holier-than-thou when somebody does it to them. Any bashing threads I have initiated take the form of anecdotal tales and have been my way of redressing the balance of bashing that comes from America. And many countries have been bashed. England (dental health), Spain (election result) France (everything) Sweden, Finland, Norway (too many to list).
Now what some of these American tards do not seem to realise is that bashing is a two-way street. If they are going to bash other countries on this board, and dismiss them as pissants or nations yapping puppies or whatever it was, why should those other countries not bash back?
But no, it seems that your typical US tardling wants to use this BBS as an entertainment forum by way of being an outlet for his own nationalistic salamanderery. Kind of like the big fat kid who picks on the little skinny kid, takes a surprise punch on the nose, and then goes running to Mommy. (I chose the analogy carefully)
I suggest that instead of whining about the bashings being meted out in America's general direction, time would be better spent reviewing these boards to see what's been said about other countries in the past couple of years.
If you can't stand the heat, better stay out of the kitchen.
I take GREAT comfort in the fact that the bashers of all things non-American are NOT representative of the US population as a whole.
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Ahh, beetle, the worst case scenario of basher. Dental health? I did that, but if your sodden brain will remember, it was only after many many threads you started bashing everything you could think of about the USA.
France? You used this excuse (pathetically I might add) very recently, but if you cared to actually dwell upon fact, you were bashing the USA long before the American posters said much of anything about the french. (long before Iraq war).
Spain? Many of us were dissapointed in the Spanish for letting a terrorist group with one act change the course of their election. I guess extortion works against the weak.
Be honest, you are just a nasty drunken Brit embarrassed of you countries current state of affairs and jealous of the pride we feel in ours.
You can try to blame us for your bad behaviour, even Dowding finally gave up trying to defend you, but the blame lays on your own shoulders.
dago
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Almost anywhere is better than Bulgaria. America must seem like he died and went to heaven. BTW no one simply decides to go to America anymore. You must get a green card either by a lottery or having special skills. Both are tough to get. No wonder he's a happy man.
I have noticed the immigrants from former communist countries, like Croatia, Cuba etc are of often effusive in their praise of their new country, not just America either. It's as if they fear any sign of disloyalty would get them into trouble. Just like in the old country. Not a good example.
I'm pro American and America bashing annoys me too. But so does France bashing or Canada or Bermuda or whatever. Spain bashing is the most cruel and absurd of them all. Those people in Madrid died because of the support Spain gave to the US cause. Euro bashing doesn't bother me. It bothers no one because nobody calls themselves a Euro. Although by a delicious irony the USA is mostly made up of the descendants of Europeans. It's a perfect example of what Europeans can do if they get together in common cause. The USA is more Euro than Europe.
Some of you are far too thin skinned. What is often seen as America bashing is often as much fair comment Criticising American foreign policy is not anti American. Saying America sucks, or Americans are tards, or Americans are stupid or cowards is.
So why do we think we can critiicise American policies? Because they often effect us directly. I pay more for gas because of the war in Iraq. The interest I pay on my loans is impacted by American economic policy. The heavy security I face at an airport is due to what happened in America which in turn is related to the actions of various US administrations. My job directly depends on how the American economy is going.
Here's a quote In 1929 The Wall Street Crash occurred. This led to a World Depression which was partly responsible for the rise of aggressive dictatorships in Europe.
Check this site out: Those of you who constantly boast about how America saved Europe's ass. The USA was indirectly and it must be said innocently responsible for the rise of the Nazi's in the first place.
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/weimar_depression_1929.htm
Now you know why everyone has a vital interest in what America does or thinks
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Originally posted by cpxxx
The USA was indirectly and it must be said innocently responsible for the rise of the Nazi's.
lol...you know that "psssshhhhttt" sound a can of tennis balls makes when you open them? I imagine it to be similar to a debating "can of worms" being opened...and I just heard it.
No way I'm touching THAT one.:D
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Originally posted by Dago
Spain? Many of us were dissapointed in the Spanish for letting a terrorist group with one act change the course of their election. I guess extortion works against the weak.
dago
You are just jealous you didn't get a Ferrari, neener neeeeener.
Daniel
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You are just jealous you didn't get a Ferrari, neener neeeeener.
uh yeah, good point. This an inside joke Im not getting?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
The most recent polls show only 41% supporting the decision.
"(I have) long argued that Saddam Hussien is a grave threat and that he must be disarmed."
Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C., Feb. 7, 2003
"I've always reconized that you need to face up to the threat of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., Feb. 7, 2003
now they both say bush is a criminal:rofl :rolleyes:
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LOL Dago, you don't know a damn thing about me. I have met people in this thread, and have spoken by phone to others. They know me well, so the more you rant and rail against me, the more of an bellybutton you make of yourself in their eyes as well as mine.
Now you're trying to make it sound as if I'm the leading USA basher. And yet my name wasn't even mentioned in this thread until after I joined - on the second page.
Famous Dago Quotes - in this very thread- "Take Thrawn for example, that deranged butthole"
- to straffo: "But you're french, nothing you say matters anyway.
- Of Spain: "I guess extortion works against the weak."
If you think I'm nasty, perhaps you could point me in the direction of the charm school you attended.
One last thing to dwell on - The land area of the USA (including Alaska) occupies less than 2% of of the earth's surface. So I can't really see why you think you're that special. Keep your wheat fields - we have plenty of our own.
Toodle-Pip.
(http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_8_4v.gif)
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Slash..you need to change your avitar..considering where your from and all
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/255_1089679264_gene_autry_3.jpg)
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
So many tears. Should just rename this place The Girl's Club.
-SW
Amen.... Buncha whiney chicks.
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look here.....
see I'm not a US basher....I did not participate in this put the needle in the US over blotted airhead thread
see....I am a nice guy:D
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Lol beetle, you are such a pathetic excuse for a liar it isn't even funny.
The quotes you posted are accurate, I am guilty of speaking my mind at times and not tap dancing around my own opinions.
So, I haven't met you and others have. I don't care how many you met in a pub. I do know a lot of us think you are a nasty worthless person who has started so many threads negative about the USA that your opinion in anything matters not. Only Thrawn has started more negative threads about our country.
You offer pathetic excuses and lies to try and cover your past on this board. I accept mine, mistakes and all.
Just what the percentage of land mass of our country has to do with anything baffles me. Most of the earths surface is water, so what? You live on a small little island. Doesn't matter much the size, the worth can be measured in many ways.
1) GNP
2) Aid to foreign countries and people in crisis
3) Military ability
4) Medical advances shared with the world
5) Quality of life of it's citizens
6) Health care
7) Liberty and freedom
8) Education availlability
9) Infant mortality
etc.
Pick any way you choose to measure a countries worth, make up one of your own, I certainly don't care. But the percentage of the earth surface that any country covers really doesn't mean squat to me or about anyone else.
Very telling though that you had to fall back on something so trivial to try and put me, and in fact all Americans "in our place".
Arguing with you is really amusing as you are so lacking.
dago
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France says Iraq has wmds...Germany says Iraq has wmds...Norway says Iraq has wmds...Italy says Iraq has wmds...Russia says Iraq has wmds...Canada says Iraq has wmds...the U.N. says Iraq has wmds and must disarm...Iraq says Iraq has wmds but kicks out inspectors...America is hit 3500 dead...some people say dont go to Afganistan untold thousands will die,look at the British,look at the Russians...Afganistan down in 2 weeks less than 100 died...World gos opps see what America and allies did??? America looks around whos next to safegaurd America...well; World says Iraq has wmd...Of all places we could go, Iraq is most likely to give[ wmd ][ the World says he has] to people who would use them on us...A very few say he doesnt have them...President says; World says he has them, look at how Fanatic they are, I cant take the chance as Iraq has used them before and may give something worst to the terrorist to use...
I and no one else am responsable for Americas safety.It would be a huge burden if I did nothing and thousands die.France calls Germany who calls U.N....Americas going in,oh no we cant have that .They will find out that we are stealing billions of dollars from Iraqi childrens food program and we wont be able to blame their deaths on America any longer,and it is illegal...America wonders why the fuss, but UN cant do much because of past resolutions...Iraq down in 1 month...World amazed and scared... France calls Germany who calls UN...We have to take America down...How says UN...We will say its an illegal war ,and there are no wmd...How can we do that, we have said he had wmds...Dont worry half of America has lost their moral compass as we have,once we do this that half will chime in ...N.Y. TIMES..[.World says war illegal...no wmds
...Bush drops in polls.]..L.A.TIMES...[Recent World poll shows most believe there is more to fear from America than terrorist..Democrat leaders call Bush a lier compare him to Hitler...American newspapers agree...Bush way down in polls]...France calls Germany who calls U.N...See we told you...U.N.says ya to bad we had to stop getting all that money.......Daddy where is America now...Oh 7 years latter terriost used suitcase nuclear bombs and blew up 15 of Americas largest cities.They had a chance but the president at that time wanted absolute proof and the blessing of the U.N...Its sad but they werent able to survive the hit...Daddy where did the bombs come from...Well honey they came from Iran, but that is enough of that ,it is time to go the underground bunker to sleep...Oh are the terrorist coming tonight...I dont know honey but the prime minister said they might.
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Here's my opinion on this topic
Randy Newman - Political Science
one likes us-i don't know why
We may not be perfect, but heaven knows we try
But all around, even our old friends put us down
Let's drop the big one and see what happens
We give them money-but are they grateful?
No, they're spiteful and they're hateful
They don't respect us-so let's surprise them
We'll drop the big one and pulverize them
Asia's crowded and europe's too old
Africa is far too hot
And canada's too cold
And south america stole our name
Let's drop the big one
There'll be no one left to blame us
we'll save australia
Don't wanna hurt no kangaroo
We'll build an all american amusement park there
They got surfin', too
Boom goes london and boom paree
More room for you and more room for me
And every city the whole world round
Will just be another american town
Oh, how peaceful it will be
We'll set everybody free
You'll wear a japanese kimono
And there'll be italian shoes for me
They all hate us anyhow
So let's drop the big one now
Let's drop the big one now
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Originally posted by Pongo
Really? It wasnt secret.
Wish I was as smart and honest and handsome as steve! (http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/984509/posts)
Since we havent heard back from steve on this I guess he has been owned. Thanks for the appology Steve.
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lol SW :lol
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Slash..you need to change your avitar..considering where your from and all
Gene! 4th Annual Gene Autry Days are coming up in Sept. Anyone want to buy tickets to the charity auction and ball?:D
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Well Dago, you began by saying "you are such a pathetic excuse for a liar it isn't even funny" and the very next thing you say is "The quotes you posted are accurate".
I don't need to lie - you have all the rope you need to hang yourself without my having to do it for you.
If you're now saying that the starting of country bashing threads is the mark of a "nasty and worthless" person, then I think you're pretty nasty and worthless yourself. I have initiated a number of humourous anecdotal tales about America - American beer, the crappy cars that come out of Detroit - that sort of thing. But not personal insults. You, on the other hand, have directly insulted Thrawn, directly insulted straffo by telling him that his opinion is worthless, and directly insulted the French military with your jokes such as French military vehicles having only a reverse gear etc. Doesn't matter much the size, the worth can be measured in many ways.
1) GNP
2) Aid to foreign countries and people in crisis
3) Military ability
4) Medical advances shared with the world
5) Quality of life of it's citizens
6) Health care
7) Liberty and freedom
8) Education availlability
9) Infant mortality
etc.
Oh, so now you're saying that you are better because your GNP is higher? You're saying that YOU are better and worth more than someone living in a country like Latvia because they are less privileged than yourself in terms of quality of life? You're saying that YOU are worth more and are better than the poor unfortunates comprising the population of Indonesia because their infant mortality rate is higher?
I'm glad you mentioned education. In point 5 of your list above, there should be no apostrophe - ie. its not it's. I guess your own education didn't stretch to that.
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Actually, I'd bet Spain is better based on points 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9.
Daniel
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Originally posted by SEgunner
I'm curious why there are so many threads dedicated to bashing the USA?
I see many threads where there are differences of opinion on US foreign policy. I can't recall ever seeing an actual US bashing thread. Care to post any actual samples? There has to be actual insults started by the 'other' side.
OTOH I've seen plenty of posts actually bashing France, Canada, etc. Funny thing is some that are sensitive to the US bashing are the ones doing the bashing.
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Now to those that feel by virtue that they are somehow superior to those from another country:
The ironic thing is that instead of feeling FORTUNATE and LUCKY to live in such a wonderful country as ours, what specifically have you done to merit your apparent 'superiority' over someone else from another country?
You find a cure for cancer? You do anything specifically to help mankind in general? You do anything above and beyond what the average person does?
For your apparent 'superiority' you sure seem a wee bit sensitive and insecure about your standing in this world.
*This obviously wasn't meant for everyone here, not even most of you here. Just some.*
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Anti-Americanism Is Racist Envy (http://www.forbes.com/global/2003/0721/017_print.html)[/url]
By Paul Johnson
Anti-Americanism is the prevailing disease of intellectuals today. Like other diseases, it doesn't have to be logical or rational. But, like other diseases, it has a syndrome--a concurrent set of underlying symptoms that are also causes.
First, an unadmitted contempt for democracy. The U.S. is the world's most successful democracy. The right of voters to elect more than 80,000 public officials, the length and thoroughness of electoral campaigns, the pervasiveness of the media and the almost daily reports by opinion polls ensure that government and electorate do not diverge for long and that Washington generally reflects the majority opinion in its actions.
It is this feature that intellectuals--especially in Europe--find embittering. They know they must genuflect to democracy as a system. They cannot openly admit that an entire people--especially one comprising nearly 300 million, who enjoy all the freedoms--can be mistaken. But in their hearts these intellectuals do not accept the principle of one person, one vote. They scornfully, if privately, reject the notion that a farmer in Kansas, a miner in Pennsylvania or an auto assembler in Michigan can carry as much social and moral weight as they do. In fact, they have a special derogatory word for anyone who acts on this assumption: "populist." A populist is someone who accepts the people's verdict, even--and especially--when it runs counter to the intellectual consensus (as with capital punishment, for example). In the jargon of intellectual persiflage, populism is almost as bad as fascism--indeed, it's a step toward it. Hence, the argument goes, the U.S. is not so much an "educated democracy" as it is a media-swayed and interest-group-controlled populist regime.
The truth is, on the European Continent there is little experience of working democracy. Italy and Germany have had democracy only since the late 1940s; Spain, since the 1960s. France is not a democracy; it is a republic run by bureaucratic and party elites, whose errors are dealt with by strikes, street riots and blockades instead of by votes. Elements of the French system are being imposed throughout the EU, even in countries such as Denmark and Sweden that have long practiced democracy with success. In a French-style pseudodemocracy, intellectuals have considerable influence, at both government and street levels. In a true democracy, intellectuals are no more powerful than their arguments.
Second, anti-Americanism is a function of cultural racism. An astonishingly high proportion of European elites know very little about U.S. history or culture and even deny that they have a separate existence apart from their European roots. It is strange that those seeking to bring about a European federal state or union have at no stage sought to study the lessons Americans learned during the creation of the U.S. in the 1780s. After all, the U.S. Constitution (suitably amended) has lasted for more than 200 years, and within its framework the country has emerged as the richest and most powerful society in world history. You might think, therefore, that European elites would seek to learn something from such a successful process. Not at all: The view is that sophisticated, civilized Europe has nothing to learn from "adolescent" America. What these Euro-elites particularly abhor is the way in which the framers of the Constitution made every effort to involve the population through the process of public debates, town meetings and ratification votes--and this at a time when Europe was still governed (for the most part) by the absolute sovereigns of the ancien régime.
This cultural racism is particularly directed at the supposedly "know-nothing" President George W. Bush and his "gung ho" Texas background. The European intelligentsia gets its notion of America chiefly from Hollywood, TV soaps like Dallas and fiction. Few of them have any experience of America, outside of three or four big cities. Middle America is unexplored territory. The fact that the U.S. has proved a highly efficient crucible for melding different peoples into a human sum greater than its constituent parts is seen as a misfortune in Europe because it produces a cultural stew that lacks purity of any kind and is therefore at the mercy of commercial forces.
Third, European elites tend to look at Americans as a subcivilized mass, whose function is to be obedient consumers in a system run by big business. The role of competition in U.S. economic life--and in every other aspect of life--is ignored, because competition is something Continental Europeans like to keep to a minimum and under careful control.
Although Americans are seen as highly materialistic consumers, they are also despised and feared for their spiritual interests, their participation in religious worship and their subscription to creeds of morality. Europeans see no inconsistency in their condemnation of the U.S. for being at one and the same time paganly unethical and morally zealous.
The truth is, any accusation that comes to hand is used without scruple by the Old World intelligentsia. Anti-Americanism is factually absurd, contradictory, racist, crude, childish, self-defeating and, at bottom, nonsensical. It is based on the powerful but irrational impulse of envy--an envy of American wealth, power, success and determination. It is an envy made all the more poisonous because of a fearful European conviction that America's strength is rising while Europe's is falling.
Paul Johnson, eminent British historian and author, Lee Kuan Yew, senior minister of Singapore, and Ernesto Zedillo, former president of Mexico, in addition to Forbes Chairman Caspar W. Weinberger, are now periodically writing this column. To see past Current Events columns go to http://www.forbes.com/currentevents.
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From your article
"There's no question that Saddam Hussein had al-Qaida ties," the president said. But he also said, "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with September the 11th."
Bush has maintained this from the begining. Iraq did have AQ ties. AQ was attempting to reconstitute on the Iraq-Iranian border and Iraq Intelligence met with AQ operatives on several occasions in Europe. Prior to September 11th an Iraq Intelligence official, a policy maker not an operative, flew to Aghanistan and met with OBL. What occurred at these meetings is unknown. That they occurred is a fact.
Crumpp
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Anti-Americanism is factually absurd, contradictory, racist, crude, childish, self-defeating and, at bottom, nonsensical.
So the fact that I do not care for Budweiser and certain other American beers, and have posted on this BBS to that effect makes me an absurd, contradictory, crude, childish, self-defeating, nonsensical racist?
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Originally posted by beet1e
So the fact that I do not care for Budweiser and certain other American beers, and have posted on this BBS to that effect makes me an absurd, contradictory, crude, childish, self-defeating, nonsensical racist?
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Where in the world did you read that into Paul Johnson's Article?
Did we read the same thing?
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No - Dago accused me of being Anti-American in another thread :
Originally posted by Dago
Go Fxck yourself Beetle, you are still an American bashing piece of shxt in my eyes.
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It appears that Mr. Johnson doesn't understand the difference between "racism" and "bigotry". Such a literary faux pas discounts every single last word of that silly article.
It is essentially a Euro bash...full of generalisations. In that light he is a bigot.
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Originally posted by Curval
It appears that Mr. Johnson doesn't understand the difference between "racism" and "bigotry". Such a literary faux pas discounts every single last word of that silly article.
It is essentially a Euro bash...full of generalisations. In that light he is a bigot.
In light of your post he should be extended an invitation to become an American Citizen!
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Poor Beetle, in his alcohol fog he still struggles with comprehension.
Read carefully old man, I never said the USA was a great country for any of those reasons.
What I said was:
Doesn't matter much the size, the worth can be measured in many ways.
Pick any way you choose to measure a countries worth, make up one of your own, I certainly don't care. But the percentage of the earth surface that any country covers really doesn't mean squat to me or about anyone else.
I just offered as a suggestion that you could choose many ways to make your own determination of a countries worth, that landmass is about the most menial way to measure a country.
Please have someone sober help you understand that concept. Then show me where I said we were superior by any of those values. Of course you can't so you will ignore that challenge, as you have so many in the past.
Thanks for including the following:
I'm glad you mentioned education. In point 5 of your list above, there should be no apostrophe - ie. its not it's. I guess your own education didn't stretch to that.
When someone has to stoop so low as to attack my spelling, grammar or typing, I see that as a surrendering of the argument. The need to nitpick these things means you no longer have a valid point to make.
Thank you.
I accept your surrender Cornwallis.
:D
dago
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Ok... I have spent time with beetle. He is a good guy and cheerful.. he is well traveled and fortunate enough to continue to do so. He is good company.
We spent the day shooting a variety of handguns that would all be impossible for a mere subject in his homeland to shoot much less own... he is I am sure struggling with the fact that he had a blast and that not one of these firearms ran off on a killing spree of it's own while he was present..
given enough time around me I am sure he would come to realize his country has lied to him on the subject.
he likes people. He enjoys the company of Americans but... even with all his travel I think he finds us odd. He knows that we have an inferior system of thought and government but can't understand why he has such a darn good time here.
lazs
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Originally posted by Curval
It appears that Mr. Johnson doesn't understand the difference between "racism" and "bigotry". Such a literary faux pas discounts every single last word of that silly article.
It is essentially a Euro bash...full of generalisations. In that light he is a bigot.
Not only generalisation,he look to ignore the root/inspiration of French constitution...
It's not only Rousseau ,Montesquieu or Locke.
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Did anyone read Badgers post?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Did anyone read Badgers post?
I didn't read his post as he just posted a quote
But I've read the quote :)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Did anyone read Badgers post?
Alas yes....I lost 5 mins
Like Curval said, it is mostly euro-bashing.
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Beetle,
The fact is I have grown tired of all our nonsense. Was a time I enjoyed it, couldn't wait to see what you wrote so I could counter.
Now it's just grown old, and I am sure everyone else is tired of being exposed to it.
I am going to stop attacking you, as I have noticed you stopped your attacks on the USA, by and large, a while ago.
If you care to stop, fine. If not, your choice.
dago
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Originally posted by Dago
I have noticed you stopped your attacks on the USA, by and large, a while ago.
Bah come off it, Dago. "Attacks" on the USA? Like saying the beer is like piss, and the cars are crap? Hardly what I would call "attacks". I don't see how anyone could be so easily offended. Or are you a binary bigot, polarised between "you're with us or you're against us"? Yeah, that sounds about right for you.
I have never "attacked" the US on this board. I have never commented on US politics or criticised Bush, so I don't see why you should get so worked up about my posts. Best way to stop USA Bashing is for the US to stop bashing the rest of the world. OK?
Lazs! Yes, we had a very good day and it was a pleasure meeting you and everyone else. I'd already met Funked about three years earlier. Your guns were well behaved and did not run off on a killing spree, although that .45 semiauto/1911 thing did its best to jump out of my dainty girly hand. You were an excellent instructor - I hope we were worthy students.
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badger,lazs and others...
That was a great bit of writing badger,most of lazs responses are well thought out as are some others in here.Even some I disagree with have good debating points. LOL I have even tried to make up little stories,but after badgers post and some others me thinks my high school education is showing through,he he,so I am going to most likely leave the defending of Amercia up to u college boys[lol] and go back to the trenches for a while he he
p.s. just dont drop the ball or Ill have to kicks ya alls butts
God bless A merica and all she stands for.
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demaw... I barely passed high school. I do not have enough education points from night school to scrape up a degree if I wanted one.
lazs
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
"(I have) long argued that Saddam Hussien is a grave threat and that he must be disarmed."
Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C., Feb. 7, 2003
"I've always reconized that you need to face up to the threat of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., Feb. 7, 2003
now they both say bush is a criminal:rofl :rolleyes:
I'll see your two and raise ya twenty!
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
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Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
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He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton's National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
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"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with >the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry( D - MA), and others Oct. 9, 1998
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"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
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"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
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"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated
his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological,
chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back
to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to
redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover
of an ilicit missile program to develop longer-range
missiles that will threaten the United States and our
allies." - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob
Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001
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"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a
tyrant and threat to the peace and stability of the region.
He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is
building weapons of mass destruction and the means of
delivering them." - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
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"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological
and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore,
Sept. 23, 2002
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"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven
impossible >to deter and we should assume that it will
continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore,
Sept. 23, 2002
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"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking
and
developing weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy
(D, MA),
Sept. 27, 2002
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"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of
1998. We
are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of
chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since
embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and
biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports
indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen.
Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
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"I will be voting to give the President of the United States
the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam
Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons
of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat
to our security." - Sen. John F. >Kerry >(D, MA), Oct. 9,
2002
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"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is
working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will
likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years .. We
also should remember we have always underestimated the
progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass
destruction." - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
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"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past
11 >years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded
that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological
weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to
do" - Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10,2002
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"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence
reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his
chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery
capability, and his nuclear program He has also given aid,
comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda
members.. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked,
Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to
wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying
to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY),
Oct 10, 2002
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"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling
evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number
of years, a developing capacity for the production and
storage of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Bob Graham
(D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
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"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a
brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime
... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is
so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is
miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit
and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ...
So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass
destruction is real" - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23.
2003
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Now Ed, you know if the Republicans do it, its "war for oil". If the demos do it, "it needed to be done".
Big differance I think is the demos posture and make the talk, the Republicans took the action, walked the walk, as they say.
dago
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I certinly don't consider myself as USA Bashing nor would I think anyone else here does. We just think Bush is an idiot. It was bad enough when he decided to pull out of all those world treaties at the start of the term let alone invade another nation without world support. US is a long and trusted friend of New Zealand and will always continue to be so.
I just think the Bush Bashing comes across as Anti American alot of the time. Which it isn't. People outside of the US just see him as an idiot and the biggest risk to world peace.
The war on terror was going well until the invasion fo Iraq, Bush had all that world support after 9/11 and for Afghanistan and then blew it on a unjust war of choice.
IMHO the world and the US (contrary to Bush's constant claims that it isn't) is alot unsafer today due to the handling of Iraq and the greatly increased hatered towards America and the rest of the world in general by extremest Muslims from it. In that area they have gained alot in resources and new personal as the anger in that region towards the US and it's allies increases.
For all the good you try and do as far as building schools,roads,hospitals, whatever to try and look good. It's all blown by one event like the Prisoner abuse or a bomb that's accidently dropped on a wedding.
It's only going to get worse in Iraq, at the very best Bush has created a problem like Israel but on a much larger scale that will last for decades. Untill the day the US just pulls out. Dropping the country into a state of Anarchy which will last untill the next hard line dictator steps up or the Iranians just take it for themselves.
Invading a country is the easy part, getting out is hard.
...-Gixer
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We just think Bush is an idiot.
A lot of people think so, and I am certainly starting to wonder. My opinion is that the historical review a number of years from now will be a better indicator than what we see now. Retrospection is often a very handy too.
It's when you post about a differant countries leaders that you are considered bashing.
I admit guilt to that on a few occasions myself.
dago
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Edbert mol
I swear I didnt know all those people said that,even back to the clinton years.I work for a living, can only read so much.It never dawned on me to search previous quotes to see what the demos said.I just thought they were always against it.Damn I am so angry,I cant express how I feel.We have wonderfull people fighting...for what? I thought they supported our troops, but they dont.Man I feel like I been hit between the eyes with a brick.These people are trying to tear a good man down,and it doesnt matter how.These people gave clinton their full support,they were not always against it.Did they pretend to support Bush,then turn on America like turn coats,what about our military whos watching out for them.Those people are part of our leaders,man nobody cares about the deceit.This isnt about getting sucked off,its about our kids fighting and dieing for us.Half of America has bought this,why isnt this reported .Am i really that far off base it seems so easy to see now,but look at gixer post its as if he didnt even read your post edbert.And half of A merica believes this.My son is 6 ft 21/2 inches solid build talked to me about quiting his good job to join...I was proud but I dont know man I dont know.kerry would be his commander,I remember veitnam,dont kill to many or to few ammo ration,take same hill 10 times,dont shoot back u might hurt their little religous prayer things they hid behind.No way man not my son no way die in prime of life for these guys and the half of america that follow them.I thought it was differant man but it is worse.I know I got to think about this but no way.
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Well I have thought about my outburst.What I am going to say most likely doesnt matter to anyone but it does to me.
Reading the quotes from the democract leaders and knowing what they are saying now,not to mention the pass they are getting from the media really made me angry.I was going to talk to my kids[ guess they are no longer kids and dont listen any way lol] I remember a book I read about ww1 I think. The young soldier was asked something[dont remember] but his answer was, [ the few have always fought for the many]. Most of what I said went against what I believe in.Since no 1 in here will ever know who I am i will say this,I became afraid for my 2 boys,some memories came back and I felt totally helpless against such deceit.But if I turn my back on the good just to spite the bad then what am I.I asked[ who is watching out for those in the military?]
Well if I told my sons what I wanted to that night[thank God they dont live at home] or told them to run to canada, would I be looking out for the military and the other half of America that is not yet blind,NO.
So I am sorry for the out burst,I love America and the hope she gives to many, and as for me and my family,we will not turn our back on America.
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Curval I have know idea if you were witness to this:
At last year's con (in the hallway) DmdBen (from Germany) was being pounced (verbally) on by a person (cannot remember his name). Ben was being persecuted for Germany's lack of "pitching in" on the "war on Terrorism". I listened to this guy grill Ben for about five minutes. I replied "You realize why other countries consider us prettythangholes?" We're at a frigging Aces High Convention and you have to spew politics? People are here to get away from the BS. Furthermore, how do you know if Ben voted for Helmut Kohl? You don't do you?". He finally shut up, and went back into the con room. I know a tad of German, but had DmdKeg tell him to ignore this guy. DmdBen was instantly reminded of a bad scuffle in Frankfurt.
Most of you will flame for posting this but you know what? If you dish it out, fuggin nut up and take it. I can give a rat's prettythang if someone hates the United States of America, because I love this country. But I sure as heck am not gonna trounce on someone for being from another country. It's a chickenchit thing to do.
Btw Curval, had I not been so liqoured up, we could have chatted more. In 2 years, we'l catch up. I still enjoyed joking around with you. Ignore these guys, some people just figure the louder they yell, the more you should have agree with them.
Karaya
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
If you dish it out, fuggin nut up and take it.
fdamn straight!
Good post.... woulda been better if ya'd name names... but that's getting picky. :)
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Good post Mash.
I didn't even hear about this incident. DmdBen is a great guy and certainly didn't deserve that nonsense. DmdKeg was supposed to come to Bermuda at some point, but I know he was busy as heck with his career etc. Incredible that someone attacked one of the Dammed at a Con that they, as a group, organised.
I'm sure you must know this by now, but I love the US too. Not in the same way you do, as I wasn't born there, but I have spent a great deal of time in your country and even attended schools in New Hampshire and Rochester, New York.
I just don't like this "We rule the world and your countries don't matter" attitude that many of the posters here foster.
It is stupid and I delight in showing these idiots just how stupid they are. My posts are not an attack on the US...they are an attack against stupidity.
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Originally posted by Curval
My posts are not an attack on the US...they are an attack against stupidity.
Same thing, isn't it?
Muhahahahaha! :lol Just kidding! :D
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I just don't like this "We rule the world and your countries don't matter" attitude that many of the posters here foster.
Truth hurts dont it! :rofl :rofl :rofl