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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: GtoRA2 on July 12, 2004, 02:14:44 PM
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The cockpit view to the front in the 109 is horrible.
I am constantly losing my target do to the heavy framing. Is there a trick or something or do you have the head movement maped to a hat?
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If you can't see him because of the cockpit framing you aren't close enough.
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Sure, kinda. but agaist a guy who knows you are there and is moving, the frames make it hard to track him, If the change direction while under a frame I lose them.
Are all you 109 guys just bushwacking guys who dont know its coming? :D
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Edited (Changes in red) I miss stated what i meant In the 109 medels i usally use the (PageUp and PageDown) of the keyboard to peak above and below the upper cross section of the Windscreen frame.
PS i also use the Left and Right arrows in some cases too.
Hmmm Now if i could just hit a FRIKIN BARN!!!! :D
I checked my average Hit% over 8 tours. From Tour 45 to Tour 52
The average was 4.47.
As it stands now in AH2 Its a whopping 2.0! :D
The Screen micro freezes and stutters im sure are a part of the drop in Hit%.
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The G6, G10 forward views are worse in AH2 than AH1, and are the worst in the game now.
You get used to it, but little head adjustments are needed now and then.
I don't now if the cross bar is really that thick or if it is just a matter of perspective.
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Try flying the -E... It's not so bad. Barring that, the F.
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It could just be that you have an unusually large head.
I fly the 109 F a lot; Its not quite so bad as the others, IMDO, but I've adjusted a few of the head positions. all of my "1/8th" views (fwd/left, fwd/right, rr/left, rr/right) are setup to get my li'l peanut-shaped bucket as near to the canopy as I can manage for better views so I can hopefully see those intrepid souls running away from me (and, conversely, those whom I might be running away from). Also, I mapped my forward hat toggle to look up and forward, again with a different head position.
This helps a little, but, having read through all this, I suggest just jumping the planes who are happily oblivious to your presence.
Cheers,
hub
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I have no problem with any Bf 109s cockpit. :)
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I don't have any problem with the views out of the 109, compared to the P38.
Try the 109f, great fun, if a little undergunned.
DmdJW
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it is all about getting used to the cockpit.
i've been flying 109 almost 6 months now and the framing never seems to bother me. i use the framing to keep the sun outta my eyes.
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I use The Force. No problem.
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Originally posted by GScholz
I use The Force. No problem.
Whatever Gscholz...
The truth is in the leather undies, they cause severe chafing so we are constatly squirming around the cockpit in discofort. Makes us alert and keeps the head on a swivel.. Willi thought of everything, he did..
:D
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That is The Force Grunherz. The Force of Black Leather Undies!
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They are so tight fitting and warm can't ask for anything more than that mmm mm mm
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um yeah, I am not doing black leather undies..
Sorry...
So I gues I should fly something non German?
:D
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The 109 is for the experienced AH pilot. Please see la-7, niki ,and spitfire. That is all.
:D
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
The cockpit view to the front in the 109 is horrible.
I am constantly losing my target do to the heavy framing. Is there a trick or something or do you have the head movement maped to a hat?
Heres some advise on gunnery in a 109. Get in real close, make sure hes an enemy. Then shoot at < 200 yards. Make each shot counts. Try and fly with that idea in your head and the strategy and ACM part will fall through after time a practice. You only have 150 rounds so in order to get ten kills thats 15 rounds per plane hit or miss.
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Montag,
I do not shoot at anything over 200 yards. I have an OK grasp of ACM.
I do not fly the LA7 or any of the "dweeb" rides much, the only reason I was flying the 109s was do that was what was being used in the CT.
Still, As closer I get the more the damn framing in the cockpit of the 109 bothers me and causes me to lose site of the target.
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It's either of the two if you are flying in Bf109s...
1) outmaneuver the enemy, and land directly behind him at 200 yards
or
2) master the art of the MK108
Since my gunnery is horrible, I try to do 1). I'll bet a lot of average 109 pilots try to do the same thing too.
This usually makes killing stuff incredibly hard in 109s, and potentially hazardous to one's survival. You have to maneuver a lot, close in behind a target, and keep running him to corners with high, low yoyos and wingovers and etc etc.. to finally juice out all of his E state, and then drive in the coup-de-grace.
Now, the handful of the experten do 2). They do maneuver in to very close ranges - that part is the same as 1). But when the enemy starts maneuvering, they just nab it out of the sky with 1~5 rounds of 30mms.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Montag,
I do not shoot at anything over 200 yards. I have an OK grasp of ACM.
This is my rule only in the 109 due to low ammo count.
I do not fly the LA7 or any of the "dweeb" rides much, the only reason I was flying the 109s was do that was what was being used in the CT.
Im still learning the 109 myself. Acually la-7, niki, and spits are great airplanes. I just like the grey camo on the lufftwaffe planes. ;)
Still, As closer I get the more the damn framing in the cockpit of the 109 bothers me and causes me to lose site of the target.
Why do you zoom in to the gunsite. I do not zoom in at all in any of the aircraft I have flown in AH. Ease your mind jedi, use the force?
Just curious, how to you approach your target when flying the 109. BTW, I've tangled with some very good 109 pilots so I know there are others out there who are good with that plan.
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The 109F-4 is a very capable airplane, and with the gondolas, carries 1000 mg rounds and 400 20mm cannon rounds. It will turn with most planes (well, most of the popular rides), go decently fast, and kill easily at 400.
That being said, its not at all hard to fly, and quite a fun plane to fly.
Zoom if you want (or if you need to), map your forward hat switch to Foward/Up view, set your convergence to 400, grab 75% gas, get some alt, and then get to that part about settling in 200 on someone's 6 and start knocking parts off. Ignore the framing! Wear the watermelon out of the hat switch, watch your enemy, get a feel for where he's going, and the obstruction of the framing won't be so big a deal.
Cheers, Good luck with it
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the 109F4 and G2 own the 109 plane set. the G2 just doesn't turn as well. Gto have you tried moving your head and finding a good position where you can see the most sky in your views? all you do is set views the best you can and if you lose them well then you be outta luck. Usually a quick and small turn or roll should get them back in sight.
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I do not use the zoom feature, though I will move closer to the gun site, to the point where I just start cutting of gauges.
I usualy come in from behind, and it is when they are trying to manuever away from me I have problems. I like to keep my eye on the target and the bars get in the way alot. lol.
I move my head around but it is hard to do in combat cause I do not have a spare hat for it.
I have my convergence set to 200.
Prolly just need more practice, and it was prolly not the best choice of plane after taking over a week off.
Thanks for the tips guys.
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Experienced pilot plane? That is true..Its a tuff bird to learn..that being said, ropin a couple newbs and calling them dweebs for flyin spits is one thing..Ill take my spit 9 at any alt against a 109 all day. Might not win them all but spit9 is a superior plane IMHO. :)
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It is the G6 and G10 that have a bad view with the addition of the thick crossbar in the middle. (armored glass?)
the F4 and G2 views are fine.
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BAH! Who's gonna fly the -G? :P
I really like the -E. I'd like to see a LW squad take a flight of 109Es and record a film of the results. Be it CT or MA.
I know I've taken out several planes in the E, including a few Gs, several P38s, various spitfires, and even a couple of spitIXs (okay, okay, the last spit IX I downed in an Emil was a total newbie, but aside from that I've had some luck)
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Whatever Gscholz...
The truth is in the leather undies, they cause severe chafing so we are constatly squirming around the cockpit in discofort. Makes us alert and keeps the head on a swivel.. Willi thought of everything, he did..
:D
don't give our secret you pinko commie traitor !
Originally posted by Glasses
They are so tight fitting and warm can't ask for anything more than that mmm mm mm
I'm the only one disgusted by this ?
@GtoRA2
Set your convergence at 200/250 yard don't use zoom and use the kp8 view.
When I decided to swith to the G6 for some time it took me about 1 week to get used to the view (or the lack of thereof :)) but it's in no way as hard as the 38 (I gave upa after 2 days ...)
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
I move my head around but it is hard to do in combat cause I do not have a spare hat for it.
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guess i dont understand.. you dont have a view hat at all? using keyboard for views while flying???
if so i can see your problem.
if not in the 109 my head is only looking forward when i am actually shooting.
i have my views saved in placed that from what i can tell others dont use, i have an X45 with rudder pedals, so the "rudder" on the throttle is unused.
i banded it and moving it moves my head left and right, i also have a move head up button mapped.
i can lose an enemy alot easier in a spit or f4u than in a 109 personally.
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Basically in the G6 or G10 you will be using the 30mm. If you aren't, you should be.
Instead of trying to keep track of where the enemy is going... put your gunsight where you know he will be when you are ~200 yards from him. When he arrived in your gunsight, shoot him. That is pretty much all there is to it.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
The 109F-4 is a very capable airplane, and with the gondolas, carries 1000 mg rounds and 400 20mm cannon rounds. It will turn with most planes (well, most of the popular rides), go decently fast, and kill easily at 400.
Cheers, Good luck with it
GUN PODS hurt your abilty to fight yes they make shooting easy but the price is to much they turn the G2 into a bad turner they turn the F-4 into a 2 rate turner and adding Gun pods to the 109f-4 is kind of dumb because if you want fire-power then just up a 109g-6 or a 190a-5
trust me dont take the Gun-pods they hurt your abilty to knife fight which the 109f-4 does most of the time
you can kind of get away with the 109g-2 but adding gun pods to that plane is turning it into a light 109g-6
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Originally posted by simshell
GUN PODS hurt your abilty to fight ...
Tell me that! ;)
http://www.lordpanzer.com/downloads/GS_AH_movie_01.wmv
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The 109 is not a second rate turner with the pods on. I would entirely agree that the pods do have a negative affect on its low speed handling, but I would not say 'second rate'.
Also, if I wanted firepower, I'd take a 109F with pods. 3 20mms and 1000 rounds of machinegun is hardly a puny loadout.
Sim, what's your ingame handle?
Cheers,
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"guess i dont understand.. you dont have a view hat at all? using keyboard for views while flying??? if so i can see your problem. "
I find using the keyboard (not the default mapping though) to actually be far superior than a view hat. The default keyboard mapping, however, is terrible.
I mapped trim to my joystick's hat instead of views.
J_A_B
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Here's the fix for your Viz problems...
1: find a base that isnt being attacked...
2: Pick a 109 that you want to fly. Lets say the G-6 cuz she's my Favorite.
3: select a runway but DO NOT take off. once OTR press the "[" to zoom all the way out. Then press F-10 to save head poz.
4: Do this with all of your views. Ive found that when looking back unzoom all the way and use arrow keys to "glance" over your shoulder. that way you can see your dead six.
Now as far as gunnery goes. This is what I do. while OTR you need to adjust your gunsight zoom. You know when ya press the "Z" key. Press Z then use the "[" and "]" keys to adjust your zoom. Unzoom just far enough or where you can see your ammo counter. I zoom out even further so i can maintain Viz. Remember, "Lose sight, lose fight" always try to maintain a viz on your target. Oh, and one other thing. Flying with Gunpods or gondolas REALLY trashes the flight characteristics of the ANY 109. If you take them plan on not turning at all. I'll take gondolas on the F-4 and G-10. The G-10's got enough under the hood that you can accelerate away fairly fast one you've made your pass and in they dont harm you too much in the verticle. Gondolas are good for snap shots but they come at a serious price. When going toe to toe with other fighters of the likes of SPits, La7s, Ponies, and all the other "uber" fighters out there make sure you go light. No pods, 30mm in nose, %75 fuel and a DT. Keep the DT as long as possible but when you get in the pewp ditch it and start planning ahead. Try to play in the verticle and pull negative G-loads when you can. The 109 can doing things in Neg. G-land that make other A/C's look stupid. One tactic often used by LW pilots was called the "Stutter Step". It was done to try and get the opponent to over shoot. You climb up then push the nose back down. This bleeds tons of E and if the guy behind you isnt on the ball he'll usually over shoot. You should then Roll out get your speed up then Re-evaluate. ALWAYS have the Alt adv. DONT screw around with Uber planes unless you KNOW you have the advantage. Once you DO have the advantage. FIght like heck to keep it. DONT get into flat turns...the G-2 isnt too bad but they DONT like them.
and there ya have it "Spring chicken to shiitehawk in one easy lesson. Taka taka taka taka" --Battle of Britain
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
The 109 is not a second rate turner with the pods on. I would entirely agree that the pods do have a negative affect on its low speed handling, but I would not say 'second rate'.
Also, if I wanted firepower, I'd take a 109F with pods. 3 20mms and 1000 rounds of machinegun is hardly a puny loadout.
Sim, what's your ingame handle?
Cheers,
Simplex hubsonfire.
very simple 109f-4 with gunpods vs 109f-4 without them
the one without them should allways win
unless your going GV hunting or buff hunting a good pliot should not need the heavy gun pods which do hurt the abilty to dogfight
not saying you cant win dogfights its just going to make things alot harder
and whats this 150 round stuff AH2 109f-4 109g-2 can hold 200 rounds