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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: bloom25 on June 29, 2001, 10:06:00 PM
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This sortie has to go down as the strangest I've ever had in a b26. I upped from 28 to attack the cv just north of it. Immediately after takeoff I was getting swarmed by fighters and managed to shoot down 6 of them. All of them except 1 f4u was coming up on my dead 6. I did manage to kill the f4u, but he took out an engine. Later two planes attacked at the same time, I killed them both but lost the both elevators. Now I found myself desending out of control, so I used my rudder to point myself at the cv. The funny thing was I was headed at the PERFECT angle to crash right into it's deck. The fleet ack began tearing me apart, but this only lined me up even better. Right before I hit the water I release all 4 1000lbers, and all 4 of them hit! :D I even got a 7th kill of a spit on the deck.
On the next sortie I finished the job and sunk the CV! :)
Here's the film: http://www.engr.orst.edu/~bloom/b26.ahf (http://www.engr.orst.edu/~bloom/b26.ahf)
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hiya all:
danm bloom, it sounds like your old squad CO must have trained you well. lucky for the Marine Air Wing. :D
wolf37
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Darn straight Wolf! He had one of the best squad COs in the business.
I keep on forgetting his name though!
Plus Bloom picked up pointers on what not to do from me!
Sounds like it was a cool sortie. Especially the kills on the fighters. Damn pest anyways!! :)
:D
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Interesting is an understantement to say the least.
A lone bomber flies into a big furball around the enemy cv.
All those fighters flying around, and who comes out with 6 kills?
Nope, not any of the fighters..
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7 kills :D And I even managed to do what I took off intenting to do, bomb the cv.
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yeah, bloom is a danm good bomber pilot. he seldom ever miss'es his target, and knows how to use his guns. way to go bloom. I would like to see the film, but all I get from the post is computer watermelon chat stuff. no film to down load, gee if only there was a way you could somehow send it to a person. that would be so cool. oh well.
nice job any ways bloom.
wolf37
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Hmm, link works for me at work??? :confused:
Try going to www.engr.orst.edu/~bloom/ (http://www.engr.orst.edu/~bloom/) and then find the b26.ahf file and try clicking it. That should definately work. :)
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link works great, you just have to "right-click save as...." I just downloaded it fine.
Nice job Bloom :D
<S!>
Hamish!
[ 06-30-2001: Message edited by: Someone ]
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My comment wasn't about the skill of the pilot, but that of the realism of buff gunning in aces high..
It's another thing to make some concessions for buff gameplay than to make it the most dangerous thing on wings in the arena.
But I guess that's just a worn out and old argument so let's leave it at that.
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Bombers guns are powerfull but those guys didn't use time to set up a good attack and my guess is most of them were also loaded with bombs/rockets when they took off from CV thus limiting their ability to climb.
There were also few Knight fighters trying to send enemies back to the tower to think what went wrong ;)
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Still doesn't change the fact that the B26 killed as much fighters as the rest of the planes together in that area.
If bombers would have been that powerful in reality, they'd fly missions unescorted and be feared by the defenders. Oh, right.. that's how it is in AH today.
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hiya all:
the reason for the deadly guns in AH is do to the fact that:
1. icons let you know distance of enemy aircraft.
2. icons help line up enemy aircraft.
3. you don't see alot of bomber formations, most of the time it is one or two buffs. so they need good guns or very few people would fly the bombers.
4. you don't see to many bombers with any escorts in Ah, so the buffs need better guns to help defend it self.
5. In WWII, most times a bomber was attacked, it was hit by more then one fighter at a time, like maybe a squad of them.
Nomatter how you look at it, bloom did a great job downing 6 aircraft and getting one on the CV deck, as well as putting his four bombs on the intended target. well done bloom.
wolf37
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Well, not as successful as a mission, but still just mind-blowingly cool, I had a B26 sortie once I think is near that.
I'm heading solo to a nearby enemy field, gonna pepper it in preparation for takedown. This is AH 1.04p5. Well, I'm about, oh, 5-7 thousand feet, I get in my bombsite and what do I see?
I heavy buff struggling towards me to take off! I figure, there's no way I can get it, stop it from peppering my base, I have no fighter escort. So I ignore it. I aim and drop my load, then have a wicked inspiration.
I close the bomb doors, roll on my back, and haul stick in an inverted loop. This is a B26, mind you. A B26. I'm going so fast, and pull so many Gs that I almost black out, I tear parts of my wing off (made it hard to aim, but I had a rudder) and am screaming in on this B-17s bellybutton at about 350MPH, with no way in heck of slowing down. I got one chance.
I take a lopsided aim on the port wing, and let rip. I rake my rudder a few times, and spread the shots. He must have seen me because I get sprayed to hell and back inside of about 10 seconds. Then I zoom past him still screaming at supernatural speeds (that was one hell of a dive I pulled) and limp back to base with one engine to land safely. If memory calls, I must have ripped his wing off, but this was nearly a year ago, so I don't remember. I wasn't bombed at base, so he must have been taken out.
That was just an effing amazing run. It was shortly after I started flying AH, also, so I was doubly surprised I had lived through it. Hella-fun, though.
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the reason for the deadly guns in AH is do to the fact that:
I'm more inclined to think the real reason is nobody knows how to attack a bomber properly. It just irks me everytime I hear somebody complain about bombers. I'm always interested in seeing the film of the alleged super bomber that shot you down so I can see for myself.
Hans.
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hans:
I agree with the fact that if you take the time to set up on abombe, you will take it out with little to no damage to yourself.
But the guns are lethal, I know this from the fact that I to have flown the bombers and have picked up a few kills here and there.
I have also been in the fighter going after the bomber, and if I dont take the time to set up, I'm probably going to get shot to hell. I have never complained about the buff guns as I know that a straight up the six attack is the worst thing you can do. you have a better chance of serviving a HO with a F4U.
But now I would like to point out that this post is not about lazersighted lethal buff guns. It is about a good sortie that was wild as to the fact of the number of kills and was still able to hit the target well the plane was heading for the drink.
once again, well done bloom.
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uh MrRipley if you look text-buffer in that film you can see I got six kills too before I run out of ammo and fuel(base got only 25%) in my P-51D.
If I only would have some rockets or bombs with me.... :p
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Still doesn't change the fact that the B26 killed as much fighters as the rest of the planes together in that area.
A good B-26 pilot can give fighters plenty of hell, I had a six kill sortie in a B-26 last week.
:cool:
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Staga: 6 kills in a P51D is completely ok to me.. That would be possible with luck also in real life. I had no way of telling if you were in that place since the buffer doesnt tell locations.
6 kills in a bomber in middle of hostile fighters is unseen in history as far as I know it. Maybe someone can prove me wrong?
I do have record of a finnish fighter pilot singlehandedly shooting down 6 enemy bombers in 5 minutes above my home city with a 109 G-2. I think the bombers were russian BD-2 medium bombers.
Buff pilots always defend about being alone and that the fighters have to set up a good attack to avoid being shot down by the gunners.
Reversely, buff pilots should set up better attacks and fly in formation and get realistic settings. I guess this goes to the main arena mentality of lone gunning and b26 vs b26 dogfights.. Needless to say I'm for a HA in AH.
I do agree that it takes great skill to get many kills in buffs, I can't do it. WTG bloom25.
Still, I'm wondering why it's necessary to make concessions to the buffs when everyone else is fighting with normal realism (shouldn't the 202 have hispano cannons as nobody will fly it at present state??)
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I agree that 7 kills in a bomber seems high. (My record is actually 18 kills, but 10 were ground targets (bombs on map room and VH) and 5 vulches with the forward guns.)
If you guys watch that film only 2 of the planes I killed actually took the time to set up a non-suicidal attack. Staga damaged the spit, and the f4u made the mistake of staying on my 6 for too long. If you noticed I was basically dead when two planes attacked at the same time. (This is more like real-life IMO.)
I should also mention that in the last 5 tours I probably have 50 kills of bombers to only maybe 3 or 4 deaths. (I know one tour I was 17 and 0, and that was in p51s and p47s - non cannon aircraft.) If you set the attack up properly bombers, and the b26 in particular are VERY EASY to kill.
Here's how I do it:
NEVER attack a bomber by coming up on it's 6 level. If you do that you deserve to get shot up.
On a b26 come in on the front beam and slightly below. He can't get a single gun on you then. If you miss, rather than pulling up, go right under him and then try to pop up shooting at underneath the cockpit or a wingroot. Another easy way to kill a b26 is from directly above them, the top turret only rotates up 45 degrees! Never HO a b26, they have 5 forward firing MGs, you will die. ;)
A Lanc is the hardest bomber to kill, they can absorb tons of punishment. I prefer to approach them from above and in front. Always aim for the cockpit, rudder, or wingroot. (MG planes should aim for the cockpit.) I have a film of me attacking a lanc in an la7 where I landed 50+ cannon hits before the thing finally died. I was minorly damaged in the attack, and I was parked on his 6 most of the time.
A b17 is the hardest to approach properly. The best way is to come in from above and head on if possible. Make sure you are turning slightly to throw his lead off. On a b17 aiming for the tail is the easiest way to kill them I've found.
A tbm is easy to kill, their guns are practically worthless. Just don't overshoot and let them shoot at you. They are pretty nimble for a bomber.
An Il2, though tough, has a glass rudder and elevators. They also have no way to protect themselves from a low 6 attack.
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I killed a B-17 with 25 rounds in La-7, lucky burst from 2 o'clock high straight to its cockpit.
Once in a lifetime I guess :D
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hi all:
the JU-88 has no piveting forward gun, stay out of the pilots crosshairs and the JU-88 is easy to kill from a forward attack.
I have made two good attacks on B-17's that I remember.
the first one was long time ago, I was in a P-38, came up on his six with good alt, I dove down and came in fast on his six. Yes I know, dont attack a buff on its six. well I let my 10 rockets go, one at a time but as fast as I could shoot them, I saw two of them hit and the B-17 went down. I would not recommend this attack to any body, I may have won the fight, but I could have just as easy lost.
The second one I remember was a good attack.
There where three B-17's in a nice tight formation. they where heading for out HQ, our city was already down. I came in about 3 to 4 thousand feet above them. when I was right over top of them I rolled my P-51 over and into a dive. the first B-17 I went after was straight below me. I started to shoot and walked my hits up to the cockpit, the plane exploded as the pilot was killed. as I started pulling out of the dive, I found myself in on the six of one of the other B-17's, I opened up as best as I could, to my surprize, I took his tail section off. He fell from the sky. now there was only one B-17 left, and it was still heading for our HQ's. but I was not as concerned if it made it there. that made me get sloppy. I climbed back up to a few thousand feet above the last B-17. set up over top of him, rolled my P-51 over and into a dive. as I said I got sloppy, I did not line up as good as I did the first one. so as I came screaming down, I had to line up for a shot. well I got the shot away, but slammed into his wing. did enough damage to his wing with my .50 cals to knock it off, and we both went down. he bailed before I did, so I got the credit for the kill before slamming into the ground.
well that was the only time I got three buffs in one sortie. and saved our HQ as well, they did not return.
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I haven't seen the film yet, but I think it's safe to say if the 6 he killed in the air had set attacks instead of coming straight 6, bloom woulda been in trouble. Also, if he had been attacked by more than 1 or 2 at a time, he would have been in serious trouble. Good job by bloom, bad job by the fighters.
Tho personally, I'm too impatient on buff attacks! ;)