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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: muckmaw on July 12, 2004, 09:44:30 PM
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Heard this one on multiple sources over the past 2 days.
Anyone corroborate it?
Apparently, John Kerry is too busy campaigning to accept the security briefings the White House keeps offering him.
How can you ignore the single most important issue facing the country today?
I'm really worried about this issue guys.
How can you aspire to be president and ignore the security of the country?
Anyone got an article?
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Well, he is too busy to vote in the Senate, too. He's a busy man, and you just can't understand the complexities of the issue, young man.
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Wow, I'm surprised. We all know every minute (or seven minutes) is crucial in the war on terror. But candidate Kerry is turning down an opportunity to get a head start?
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no the librals just think they can hate Bush and terrorism will just work itself out.
Yet....
they complain when there is a blanket warning from DOJ or DHS....and whine and cry when they arent told anything at all.
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Why dont you idiots just spread some vasaline on a plastic sheet and make honest woman of each other.
No one buys your brain washed garbage.
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Originally posted by Pongo
Why dont you idiots just spread some vasaline on a plastic sheet and make honest woman of each other.
No one buys your brain washed garbage.
that's ok pongo we'll leave that for you're side of the isle. Your guys seem to have it down pat anyway.
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Pongo,
Man what the hell is wrong with you, I was glad to see you come back to the board, but for the most part you have turned into a negative attack machine?
You can not get your point across without calling people idiots? I am sure you do not care but you used to be up there with Sandman and MT for guys I would listen to on a issue even if I did not agree. You come of now more like LDV or 10bears.
If this stuff pisses you off so bad that you have to call people names why do you bother?
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LOL, I thought it was amusing, Pongo.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Pongo,
Man what the hell is wrong with you...
I think his point is that these threads are all the same.
Someone throws a kerry/bush grenade, in this case one from "multiple top secret sources", into the forum and watch the rep/dem circle jerk begin.
Look at the posts. Noone asked for a link, noone asked for the source.
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That's because everything that is printed about Kerry comes from reliable sources if it's bad. ;)
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Guys, that was not the point I was trying to make.
I would not be bothered if he had not called them idiots.
His post would have been amusing without the blanket attack, and it is not just this post.
Pongo seems pissed and hatefull in a large portion of his posts.
I know it is not my place, and he prolly thinks I am some righty idiot, but he used to have something to offer that was interesting, I am not seeing that much anymore.
It would be just as disturbing if you Sandy or MT started with it, there are relitivly few people up here on both side that are worth reading. It seems kinda sad when one of the degerates into name calling.
I am prolly going to get flamed all to hell for this, but when Curval and few others pointed out the #$#%$ in my posts was anoying I stopped. (mostly)
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Shut yer pie hole, Gto, you and everyone like you is ugly, stupid, smells funny, and drives sissy automobiles! Now go pound sand!
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LOL SoB!!!
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
It would be just as disturbing if you Sandy or MT started with it, there are relitivly few people up here on both side that are worth reading. It seems kinda sad when one of the degerates into name calling.
Well... in all fairness, read the posts directed at Pongo for the past few months. Plenty of personal attacks to be found.
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Hmmm well that sucks, I didnt notice any but I was not looking either, his stand out, but maybe thats cause I pay atention to his posts, there are lots of guys up here on both sides of the fence I skim or ignore.
Oh well, sorry if it seems like I am picking on you Pongo, that is not my intent.
I know it can be hard to turn the other cheak if your getting attacked all the time.
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Originally posted by Sandman
That's because everything that is printed about Kerry comes from reliable sources if it's bad. ;)
Kerry said it himself, on Larry King live.
On the campaign trail, Sen. John Kerry insists that he would do a better job fighting the war on terror than President Bush. But the Massachusetts Democrat admitted Thursday night that he hasn't been able to find the time to accept the Bush administration's offer to give him an intelligence briefing.
"Well, I haven't been briefed yet," he told CNN's "Larry King Live." "They have offered to brief me; I just haven't had time."
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Well that briefing will take at least 7 minutes. I can't believe we have lost another 7 minutes in the war on terror. Oh nos!!!
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Well that briefing will take at least 7 minutes. I can't believe we have lost another 7 minutes in the war on terror. Oh nos!!!
So he is too busy to squeeze in 7 minutes in his busy-busy-busy schedule?
And while the briefing might take 7 minutes, Kerry might actually learn something. Maybe thats what scares him.
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Okay, raise your hands. Who here has run for president?
kthnx.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Okay, raise your hands. Who here has run for president?
kthnx.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Okay, raise your hands. Who here has run for president?
kthnx.
-- Todd/Leviathn
What does that have to do with anything? Are you implying that unless I've run for president, I'm unqualified to have an opinion on what I expect from a candidate?
STOP THE ELECTIONS! NO ONE IS QUALIFIED TO VOTE!
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I would like to know if the White House is required to give him these briefings. If not, it sure seems like an mighty nice gesture.
It's hard to imagine that he wouldn't take that info if offered. There might be stuff in it he could use against Bush. This might be a tactical move on Kerry's part. He can make any claim he wants as long as he can honstly say that he didn't know any better because he didn't read the briefings. And that would put the pressure on Bush to release security info to counter any claims. just guessing....
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we have all argued with liberals... they have that vacant stare and phony smile and won't look you in the eye or stare...
They tell you something vile about the conservative or republican... you say... "hmm.. don't seem right" or..."who cares?" they get a little miffed and tell an even bigger one about the guy... you still don't care but mention that their candidate has some flaws... they now get angry at you and call try to shame you into accepting their view..
they either give up and say that you are hopeless or... they get angry and petulant
pongo has just gotten to the angry and petulant stage... the BB has not gone the way he envisioned it. He feels that all the refvelations that only canadians know about the U.S. and are hidden from us... once broutgh out in the open will cause a flood tide of kerrie voting.
He really should attend the briefings if he doesn't.
lazs
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I think the reason is that the more your guy goes down the tubes the more folks here start to flail about saying increasingly desperate, hateful, nonsensical..... and boring stuff.
Does anyone know the mechanics of the intel briefings that a nominee gets, and if what Kerry said really constitutes some kind of dereliction of duty? I think not.... but that doesn't stop yas from posting a picture of what appears to be a gas bag(?)....
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Originally posted by Nash
I think the reason is that the more your guy goes down the tubes the more folks here start to flail about saying increasingly desperate, hateful, nonsensical..... and boring stuff.
yes I wish the dumbacrats would stop that :)
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bet pongo and nash and torque stay up all night watching the elections... seems so unfair that they can't vote eh?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
we have all argued with liberals... they have that vacant stare and phony smile and won't look you in the eye or stare...
They tell you something vile about the conservative or republican... you say... "hmm.. don't seem right" or..."who cares?" they get a little miffed and tell an even bigger one about the guy... you still don't care but mention that their candidate has some flaws... they now get angry at you and call try to shame you into accepting their view..
they either give up and say that you are hopeless or... they get angry and petulant
pongo has just gotten to the angry and petulant stage... the BB has not gone the way he envisioned it. He feels that all the refvelations that only canadians know about the U.S. and are hidden from us... once broutgh out in the open will cause a flood tide of kerrie voting.
He really should attend the briefings if he doesn't.
lazs
Pongown3d
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Aw that's cute.... I oughta do a search here of "Canada" and "Lazs"....
methinks you got a crush....
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no, pongo not owned. His was funny as hell. Lazs'? uh, yeah....
Get back on that plastic sheet funkypants.
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Is it my imagination or has nash lost his creative edge along with his sense of humor?
seems all that is left is an avatar... kinda sad.
lazs
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Originally posted by Martlet
What does that have to do with anything? Are you implying that unless I've run for president, I'm unqualified to have an opinion on what I expect from a candidate?
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No, that's not what I'm implying.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by lazs2
Is it my imagination or has nash lost his creative edge along with his sense of humor?
seems all that is left is an avatar... kinda sad.
lazs
nash was an arse then he saw the light
too bad the bulb seems to have burned out , throwing him back into the darkness
JUST SAY NO
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If I had a nickel for every time someone said I've lost "my edge"... If only I knew what that meant...
I'll try harder lazs I swear.
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After watching that LarryKing show interviewing kerry and edwards I have found that sitting next to each other, working as a team, they do not compliment each other at all. Maybe they are too new to each other at this point but my sense is they honestly distrust each other.
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I would hazard a guess that the intel in the briefing would low level stuff like you would provide to the press or to Congress in general (as opposed to even a select foreign affairs/military related committee). It would be irresponsible now to do otherwise from a security standpoint, unlike the situation when someone becomes a "president elect.”
If I were on the Bush campaign staff here is how I would play it:
1. Make the offer.
a. Kerry accepts -- seat him at a desk (maybe even a high school desk that is too small :)) with bad lighting. In front of him is a cartoon map of the Middle East. The briefer is some kid in his early 20s. Snap lots of pictures to show how unpresidential and out of the loop candidate Kerry is. Maybe even incorporate these into a future campaign ad.
b. Kerry declines -- point out his lack of interest in foreign policy with a touch of smugness or outrage thrown in by your agents pushing the item through select media sources.
Which would you choose as candidate Kerry?
Charon
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as I recall... klinton was briefed when he ran against Bush senior. He found time to attend. It is somewhat traditional.
charon is probly right tho.. they are no doubt low level briefings.
lazs
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I wonder, Lazs, if that was during the campaign of after he won as president elect (which is common for such briefings).
As long as Kerry controlled the cameras he could spin it I suppose. Go into a room, come out of a room, say: "There wasn't much new there, but I want to be as prepared as possible when I become president in January." Still, this turns over initiative to the other side and he probably doesn't have time at this point in the campaign to even play that angle.
Charon
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As I recall it was before the elections with klinton and that klinton played it like it was an admission that he was going to be the next pres. and too important to not be brought up to speed.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
As I recall it was before the elections with klinton and that klinton played it like it was an admission that he was going to be the next pres. and too important to not be brought up to speed.
lazs
And THATS the way to play it.
Kerry's Camp dropped the ball on this one.
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Lol I wondered what happend to this thread!
Gtora.
When I start seeing simular posts from you directed at all such attacks from all quadrents of the political compass I will feel bad and chastised.
until then. The thread was so stupid that it only deserved an attack. I know..its unsettling to see a "liberal" attacking..that is the normal preserve of "conservatives".
Funky..you wish.
Unless you mean when udie said..."I know you are but what am I"
The important white house security briefing was the one where the outgoing clinton administration told Bush that the bigest threat to US security was Bin Ladins orginisation and Bush said to himself.."oh ya..I have to have the bin ladins over again for BBQ soon."
But what is the use of debating such silly subjects with the thread starters..You are free to if you like gtora
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Micheal Moore has trained you well Pongo! Booosh allowed the 911 attacks because he has ties to Bin Laden's huge family of some 50 siblings...
Good job! Now where did I put the treat?
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Kerry is a high ranking Senator, in all honesty, and if he was actually attending Congress, I would say that he didn't need the briefings. He is not, however, so he should at least take the offered intelligence.
Clinton was NOT in the Senate, and did the right thing by taking them.
There are some things that the candidates should know, regardless of the acrimony, both to keep from looking foolish by not knowing something, and also to show that he is involved.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Micheal Moore has trained you well Pongo! Booosh allowed the 911 attacks because he has ties to Bin Laden's huge family of some 50 siblings...
Good job! Now where did I put the treat?
See glora?
GH. Are you saying that Bush was not warned about the threat posed by ABL by the departing Clinton team?
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I'm saying your assertion that Bush ignored terrorism because his family is friends with the huge bin laden family to be pretty dumb. Not to mention straight out of Michael Moore's brainwashing propaganda movie.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Not to mention straight out of Michael Moore's brainwashing propaganda movie.
...so you saw it?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I'm saying your assertion that Bush ignored terrorism because his family is friends with the huge bin laden family to be pretty dumb. Not to mention straight out of Michael Moore's brainwashing propaganda movie.
Well he did ignore it. Which you dont seem to mind. The question of why apperently is a bigger issue to you.
You dont deny that Bush had very involved relationions with the Bin Ladin clan. To the toon of many many many millions .A fact that was not widely known befor Moore announced it. You apperently feel that it should not be known. As it might brainwash people..
Do you even hear yourself.
So casting arround the word "brainwashing" might be dangerous for you..some could stick to you if you know what I mean.
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Originally posted by Sandman
...so you saw it?
Of course, why wouldn't I?
Pongo,
The business ties between bin laden family business and bush are well known. And so what? Are you indicting the whole huge bin laden family in the crimes of one man, a man who has been disowned by the family? The patriach has dozens of children. There are something like 10 wives who pretty much run seperate households from what I know...
Thats actually one of the most disturbing and hateful asopects of Moore's little propaganda brainwashing movie - how he went full tilt at generally blaming the whole huge bin laden family...
It was quite disguisting.. Especially the racist undertones against people in arab dress used throughout these scenes...
And frankly Pongo, whatever your political inclinations if you dont see F911 as a blatant piece of brainwashing propaganda then there is something wrong there or you are willfully decieving yourself... Its nothing but a modern day version of Thriumph of the Will or the Eternal Jew - very very slanted one sided pieces intended for effect and intened to make cheap and easy conclusions for you...
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Originally posted by Pongo
Well he did ignore it. Which you dont seem to mind. The question of why apperently is a bigger issue to you.
You dont deny that Bush had very involved relationions with the Bin Ladin clan. To the toon of many many many millions .A fact that was not widely known befor Moore announced it. You apperently feel that it should not be known. As it might brainwash people..
Do you even hear yourself.
So casting arround the word "brainwashing" might be dangerous for you..some could stick to you if you know what I mean.
If Bush saw it coming for 9 months, Clinton saw it coming for 8 years.
WHy did'nt Clinton deal with Bin Laden? Was the Cole bombing not enough? How about the embassies?
Oh wait, you can't answer that. Moore did'nt cover it in his film. Sorry to make you almost think for yourself.
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So it is now some horrible crime to point out that these men are all saudis and like to wear saudi cloths. You compare this documentry to the most famous Nazi propoganda because of that. This from the man who loves to say"boosh is hilter" What whould sigmund say to that I wonder?
It is some huge crime to point out the financial history of the bin laudins and the Bushes. It was widely known according to you. Your lieing and you know it. It was almost unknown. Period. How many people read "House of Bush, House of Saud". I am sure you didnt.
Your post is just the kind of lies that conservatives have been passing off as debate for decades in the US. When a dirty secret comes to light "it doesnt matter" or "it was known" Befor that it is denied. Or even denied after the fact. Or it it is admited it is denied at a later date.
Moores crime. For wich you portray him as a naxi propogandist is to point out that Bush has tight dealings with the family of the man responsible for 9/11.
Not a little link. A huge link. And not in the distant past. During and since his election.
Ohh the poor Saudis..everyone who is against them is racist!
but grrr those evil Iraqis..everyone who thinks they should be left alone unless they are a threat to others is a coward!
You are so brain washed and dishones GH that is stinks like hell.
The Saudis bombed the WTC. They have done so twice now. Do you understand that?
All this gibberish about moore being prejiduced.. THE SAUDIS BOMBED YOUR CITY AND KILLED THOUSANDS.
Dont you care?
muckmore. Ya it was pretty hard to pursue al quida into Saudi Arabia for some reason through out the 1990...strange isnt it.
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If you dont recognize F911 is a clear case of propaganda and instead view it as a reliable source of information to base your thinking on then I think there is no more point to discussing this with you.
Too bad Pongo, you're a great guy in person!
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This response just to voice my humble opinion.
(Might get ya a Starbucks somewhere) but I doubt it.
For the last two presidential elections, it has been my opinion that neither of the two finalists for the Presidency have really impressed me. None really stand out as take charge gentlemen.
Gore, Bush, kerry etc.
No...I'm not a Perot fan....and not a member of either party. actually am registered as an Independant. Will Vote for whom I feel is best suited for the task at hand. Dem, Republican doesn't really matter to me. Unfortunately voters tie themselves to one party or another...doesn't matter who represents them...but because generally what their parents did, or someone who influenced their Political opinions....Professor at College etc.
The last Pres. that I felt good voting for was Ronald Reagan.
Ya...I know he made mistakes....but what struck me about him was that he had a plan....he communicated that plan before election...executed that plan with the backing of the American
populace....and actually achieved goals. Now...I'm not here to praise RRegan....but just to impart that he actually got the Congess and the people in his court. He led.....he got everyone behind him. Leaders do that.
He stood out as a man that had a plan, and a plan of action and how he would achieve these goals.
I'd vote for the same type of individual again, be it Republican or Democrat. When you hear regularly the slurs against our two main opponents coming from opposite sides as we do now.
And have no clearly defined plan on anything coming from either side...and apparent lack of a plan under the current Administration. Makes me wish we had a take charge type of guy who didn't change his mind every week to influence voters...or a gentleman that definately can't express a plan because he doesn't have one that I can see (current administration) Makes me yearn for a true leader, with a plan that can be expressed clearly, and the plan didn't get changed because of special interest groups. Corporations and the ilk. Just stuck to his guns so to speak and made the country function. In short...a Leader.
When ya find one.....wake me up willya! I'll vote :)
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Where did I say its not propoganda?
I have always maintained it was propoganda.
propoganda doenst equal lie. It is propoganda becuase of its intent not its content.
The whole message from the white house for the last 3 years has been propoganda. Public functions where protest is illegal. Shock and Awe. Bring it on. No cerimonys for retunring dead and wounded. A bronze star for Pte Lynche.
Its all propoganda. I didnt hear you complaineing about it.
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On the campaign trail, Sen. John Kerry insists that he would do a better job fighting the war on terror than President Bush. But the Massachusetts Democrat admitted Thursday night that he hasn't been able to find the time to accept the Bush administration's offer to give him an intelligence briefing.
"Well, I haven't been briefed yet," he told CNN's "Larry King Live." "They have offered to brief me; I just haven't had time."
Did you guys sleepwalk through last week? Of what value would a Bush administration intelligence briefing be?
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Hehe... good point. ;)
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Did you guys sleepwalk through last week? Of what value would a Bush administration intelligence briefing be?
Now that is funny!!
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Originally posted by Pongo
Where did I say its not propoganda?
I have always maintained it was propoganda.
propoganda doenst equal lie. It is propoganda becuase of its intent not its content.
The whole message from the white house for the last 3 years has been propoganda. Public functions where protest is illegal. Shock and Awe. Bring it on. No cerimonys for retunring dead and wounded. A bronze star for Pte Lynche.
Its all propoganda. I didnt hear you complaineing about it.
So why put so much trust in what Moore says? You have almost been been parroting his statements.
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I am not parroting his statments. I read House of Bush House of Saud long befor I saw the movie F911.
Why put so much faith in what bush says(although he doensnt anc cant deny most of the stuff)
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Originally posted by Pongo
I am not parroting his statments. I read House of Bush House of Saud long befor I saw the movie F911.
And that book is particularly reliable because? Isnt it banned in Britan beacause of their strict libel laws? Or was it just Booosh and the carlye group that got it banned there?
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You think a book being banned in some way invalidates it? Do you love america or not? Would you like to march in the street and gather up all the books written critical of Bush and have a nice book burning?
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The book wasn't banned. The publisher wussed out when he realized he would be sued for libel and that he would lose. Basically an admission of libel. Yes that would invalidate it. Nice job trying to spin it into "Boosh = Hitler" though.
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Originally posted by Furious
I think his point is that these threads are all the same.
Someone throws a kerry/bush grenade, in this case one from "multiple top secret sources", into the forum and watch the rep/dem circle jerk begin.
Look at the posts. Noone asked for a link, noone asked for the source.
Links?:eek: Sources?:eek: :eek: my head hurts:(
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
The book wasn't banned. The publisher wussed out when he realized he would be sued for libel and that he would lose. Basically an admission of libel. Yes that would invalidate it. Nice job trying to spin it into "Boosh = Hitler" though.
So will F911 be able to be shown then?
and just so we are clear on the thread topic.
The important white house security briefing was the one where the outgoing clinton administration told Bush that the bigest threat to US security was Bin Ladins orginisation and Bush said to himself.."oh ya..I have to have the bin ladins over again for BBQ soon."
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.."oh ya..I have to have the bin ladins over again for BBQ soon."
So the book said that, eh?
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they mush heads believe what they want to and the rest believe what we do
tired of the pongo-moore types and their bush hating paraniod spew
later
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The brain washed bellieve what they must to maintain any semblence of self respect. The rest of us shake our heads at how stupid and gullible you are an how evil comes of it.