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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: BlckMgk on July 13, 2004, 01:33:43 AM
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Should I be grateful that a cop wrote me up for a 51 in a 45, because he forgave me for going "88". He says if I contest he will remove his previous citation and give the 88 as evidence. I mean... this doesn't make sense.
I know I was speeding, and I think I should be grateful for him giving me a 51 in a 45.. but hell... that means he really doesn't know how fast I was going, or does he?
Any advice?
-BM
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How fast WERE you going?
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Does it matter? He wrote me up for 51...
:D
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Yes it does. If you were going at least 88 then he might have clocked you correctly. If you were not near 88 or over, then he is lying about your speed.
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If you were going faster than 51 I'd be grateful if I were you.
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Bluffing. Hire a lawyer, spend $50 and keep it off your record. Nothing he can do about it.
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Originally posted by rpm371
Bluffing. Hire a lawyer, spend $50 and keep it off your record. Nothing he can do about it.
This is what I figured..
My lawyers pretty decent he charges 68, and so far hasn't failed me.
But its an 80 dollar ticket.. soo points on the license.... or risk the chance he has something... this dude probable stops 100 people a night.. w/e..
-BM
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Originally posted by SaburoS
Yes it does. If you were going at least 88 then he might have clocked you correctly. If you were not near 88 or over, then he is lying about your speed.
But then... why would he be so "nice" and write me up for 51.. **** if its their business to pull people over why not do it at the speed he has registered?
-BM
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Bluffing. Hire a lawyer, spend $50 and keep it off your record. best bet
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If you were going 88 in a 45 he shoulda hauled your butt to jail. Take your medicine and slow down. :)
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Originally posted by BlckMgk
But then... why would he be so "nice" and write me up for 51.. **** if its their business to pull people over why not do it at the speed he has registered?
-BM
Because he would hate to have to go to court to vouch for his version of the ticket. By appearing 'nice' most ticketed people feel 'lucky' and pay for the ticket without contesting it.
His job in this case is to keep people from speeding. He just doesn't want to be hard-nosed about it. He probably feels that by giving you a break on your ticket is enough to slow you down a bit.
...So you WERE going at least 88 ;)
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Originally posted by AKIron
If you were going 88 in a 45 he shoulda hauled your butt to jail. Take your medicine and slow down. :)
Well it is 2am.. and it was a highway.. 45 was a temp sign posted in a normaly 70 area...
I dunno.. I really think he has nothing.. but I'm just considering other opinions..
-BM
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In 1988 I had 74 speeding tickets. All dismissed.
Check out Pre-Paid Legal.
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Originally posted by SaburoS
Because he would hate to have to go to court to vouch for his version of the ticket. By appearing 'nice' most ticketed people feel 'lucky' and pay for the ticket without contesting it.
His job in this case is to keep people from speeding. He just doesn't want to be hard-nosed about it. He probably feels that by giving you a break on your ticket is enough to slow you down a bit.
...So you WERE going at least 88 ;)
Hell unless you're going to court with me.. I was doing well over 88.. I mean "HONESTLY" I should be grateful...
But why? If its his job to keep people from speeding.. a trip to the slamer and a $400 dollar ticket will make me crawl where ever I have to go....
-BM
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Well, that is different then. Maybe your lawyer won't charge ya the full price for just a consultation. He'll likely know if you can beat it.
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Originally posted by rpm371
In 1988 I had 74 speeding tickets. All dismissed.
Check out Pre-Paid Legal.
wow, you're my hero..... breaking the law with no penalty and bragging about it.
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Does it change anything that I think I was clocked from the air?
-BM
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One of my customers manufactures police radar. I don't know if the hand held units are capable of storing info like your speed and a pic of your car but they have larger more sophisticated units and it wouldn't surprise me if they were capable of recording that.
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Originally posted by NUKE
wow, you're my hero..... breaking the law with no penalty and bragging about it.
I was workin for a living, time was money, sue me.
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Originally posted by BlckMgk
Hell unless you're going to court with me.. I was doing well over 88.. I mean "HONESTLY" I should be grateful...
But why? If its his job to keep people from speeding.. a trip to the slamer and a $400 dollar ticket will make me crawl where ever I have to go....
-BM
What, are you stupid enough to be going over 88mph over the same stretch under the same circumstances? I'm guessing 'no' here. Cops in general are not your enemy. They realize that people aren't perfect and sometimes need a break once in awhile.
Had you been mouthing off to him and showing all kinds of disrespect, you'd of seen a much more accurate number on your ticket (not to mention the possibilty of being hauled off to jail).
He's hoping you'll be doing the right thing.
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Originally posted by rpm371
I was workin for a living, time was money, sue me.
I remember getting a speeding ticket along with a no seatbelt ticket ( which I was wearing, but took off before the cop got to my car after I stopped) when I was 24, had cancer, living on my own, working full time, flat broke.
I paid the tickets.
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Nuke, you had cancer??!! Wow, I take it you are cancer free then? Real happy for you if so!
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Originally posted by SaburoS
Nuke, you had cancer??!! Wow, I take it you are cancer free then? Real happy for you if so!
yeah, had non-hodgkins lymphoma. I was actually pulled over after driving myself home after a VERY painful bone marrow test.
I seem to be clear so far, 39 years old and kicking.
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Congrats on the health Nuke!
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Well, you're still young. Here's hoping you stay cancer free :)
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If you were doing more than 65 MPH the cop most likely did you a favor because in most areas more than 20 MPH over is considered reckless endangerment and has far higher penalties. In some areas this means an automatic suspension of your license, usually for 90 days.
And yes he probably knew exactly how fast you were going. There is absolutely no requirement to tell a motorist the maximum speed you clock them at, only how fast you are citing them for. It is perfectly acceptable to cite a motorist for a lower speed than they were clocked at.
What it amounts to--
Be honest with yourself. You admit you were speeding. You hint that you were doing substantially in excess of what you were cited for. Pay the ticket.
SaburoS--
Why do you assume that the officer has to be lying if his clocked speed is higher than actual speed? Do you know how lidar/radar units work?
J_A_B
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Originally posted by J_A_B
SaburoS--
Why do you assume that the officer has to be lying if his clocked speed is higher than actual speed? Do you know how lidar/radar units work?
J_A_B
Bluffing is what I was aiming for. Depends on the circumstances involved.
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Originally posted by J_A_B
Be honest with yourself. You admit you were speeding. You hint that you were doing substantially in excess of what you were cited for. Pay the ticket.
J_A_B
Hire a lawyer, save your license points, keep your insurance from going up.
Or you can "do the right thing" and get points off your license, a rate increase on your insurance and depending on the company possible cancellation of your policy. If you drive at work, you must also inform your boss or you may violate policy and be subject to termination. It could also be a mark against possible promotion even if you do tell. But hey, the cop was a nice guy just out to help you. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by rpm371
Hire a lawyer, save your license points, keep your insurance from going up.
Or you can "do the right thing" and get points off your license, a rate increase on your insurance and depending on the company possible cancellation of your policy. If you drive at work, you must also inform your boss or you may violate policy and subject to termination. It could also be a mark against possible promotion even if you do tell. But hey, the cop was a nice guy just out to help you. :rolleyes:
maybe just dont speed?
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Saburo--
In any case that question was answered after both of us wrote our posts (I didn't post mine as soon as I wrote it due to leaving the PC for a bit). BBS topics at this hour don't usually gain responses this quickly.
BLCKMGK--
Police have some discretion in what they cite people for in certain circumstances. There are several motives for him to give you less than the maximum citation.
One possible motivation is simply that speeding at twice the posted limit on a deserted road at 2AM is substantially less dangerous than doing it in rush hour, and maybe the fine should reflect that in a way a maximum citation would not.
A few other possible reasons for his use of discretion were discussed above.
J_A_B
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I don't have a fine/penalty schedule in front of me, so I'm going off memory but...In Arizona, going 20 over the speed limit takes it out of the civil traffic and into crminal traffic. It's a Class 3 Misdemeanor. It's also 3 points on your license instead of 2.
And, if he'd written you up for doing it in a cronstruction zone(if it was one), the fine would be doubled.
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Originally posted by rpm371
But hey, the cop was a nice guy just out to help you. :rolleyes:
LOL, so now the Cops are at fault for issuing tickets for speeding. I get it now, it's not the speeder's fault, it's the cop's :rolleyes:
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LOL @ RPM371
You sound like the kind of person who blames everyone but yourself for your own apparent inability to follow basic laws. Oh wait, I forgot, you're a "working man" so the laws don't apply to you? Your opinion in this kind of topic is meaningless except for entertainment value.
Bragging about getting out of dozens of citations in one year is effectively calling yourself an idiot. If you drive that badly you're an idiot (not to mention a severe danger to everyone else on the road with you)...and if you're making it up just to chest-thump on an internet BBS...well....
J_A_B
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Be GRATEFUL. You know you were excessively speeding. Be an American and pay your ticket. Go to traffic school if you want it taken off your record.
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Originally posted by Dune
I don't have a fine/penalty schedule in front of me, so I'm going off memory but...In Arizona, going 20 over the speed limit takes it out of the civil traffic and into crminal traffic. It's a Class 3 Misdemeanor. It's also 3 points on your license instead of 2.
And, if he'd written you up for doing it in a cronstruction zone(if it was one), the fine would be doubled.
3 points instead of 2? WTF? We have a 12 point system in WI. 1-19 over = 4 points. 20-25 = 6 points. I think 25 and over means an automatic 15 day suspension and a huge fine and points. Are traffic laws consistent throughout AR or on a by county basis?
Speeding tickets, pah. To protect and to serve? More like 'meet the quota'. Bring in your budget. Not only are they paid with tax dollars, but they rape again by 'protecting and serving' us tickets. In Milwaukee County it's a circus. They herd us into some cramped room downtown on the posted date, offer us a 'reduction' of points, keep the fine as is, and say we should be grateful. **** that. It's just another example of capitalism in action. Traffic court is a business - they're not out there to keep anyone 'safe.' Keeping up with traffic and you're singled out to be made an example of? Pulled over for 5 over? I think there are more important situations to deal with than sitting in a speed trap for hours at a time.
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OK, apparently you didn't get the intended humor.
Yeah I got all those tickets, but I was working commissioned delivery and had impossible deadlines to meet if I didn't speed. The court still gets their money in the form of court costs.
It was usually the same cops that stopped me and they understood I had a job to do just like them. I think the last speeding ticket I got in a non work situation was in '93 passing thru Mineola, Texas by some Barney Fife wannabe city cop that stopped me at 3 am for 40 in a 35. I was returning from a family vacation after Christmas and he made my wife and daughter wake up get out and searched the vehicle. He strung our things everywhere, found nothing, wrote the ticket and drove off. We had the honor of putting everything back. Honestly, I did absolutely nothing to provoke the guy beforehand.
So forgive me if I have a sarcastic view of traffic tickets. They are natures little revenue makers.
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As to BM's situation. Is that legal what the officer did? I would contest that just to find out. He wrote on the ticket 51 and suddenly changes his mind when he's summoned... doesn't make sense.
"51 mph but was really going 88."
"Hit the store owner with a bat but really stabbed him."
Perhaps he'll be on some family vacation at the required court date? Good. I say contest it. Bring him in. Of course, procedures may be different in your area. In WI, procedures vary by agency. State troopers require a plea before the said court date otherwise it's interpreted as a not guilty and they expect you to challenge it. Milwaukee County asks for a plea on or before the court date. If you challenge, you must travel to the courthouse atleast 3-4 more times before you're able to challenge. And you're stuck with the fees. Yeah, very encouraging right. It's a business - you're either going to pay, or you're going to pay. They could give a rat's behind about points :)
Like AKIron mentioned on the radar gun. Where can he store this information? Write it down somewhere? I wouldn't feel very safe knowing an officer can change his story at whim.
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What some don't know is that there are additional notes on the police copy of the ticket which don't appear on the copy given to the offender. Pay the fine for 51 in a 45, and slow down. It's the avenue of least pain.
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Originally posted by NUKE
yeah, had non-hodgkins lymphoma. I was actually pulled over after driving myself home after a VERY painful bone marrow test.
I seem to be clear so far, 39 years old and kicking.
Had the Hodgkins version myself.
The Bone marrow test I wouldnt wish on anyone.
For those that dont know they take something like a small corkscrew And Drive it into the small of your back. TWICE Then pull a chunk of your bone marrow out
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So the area was normally a 70mph zone but you were doing well over 88mph? Take your lumps. Pay the fine and go to traffic school to get the points off your license. Most states even allow online traffic school these days.
I bet if you had been doing the normally posted speed limit, he probably would not have written you a ticket at all.
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Cool! Go as fast as you want, just don't take the mini-van full of kids with you to the grave.
Sick of seeing mangled bodies come in because they were hit by some ******* that decided 65mph wasn't enough or had a couple extra cocktails for the road.
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Originally posted by Delirium
Cool! Go as fast as you want, just don't take the mini-van full of kids with you to the grave.
Sick of seeing mangled bodies come in because they were hit by some ******* that decided 65mph wasn't enough or had a couple extra cocktails for the road.
Thank you..
-BM
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Tell ya how it's going to work out. You plead no guilty, judge sets up a court date, cop appears and testifies that you were doing 88. Judge then proceeds to slam you. Is that really what you want to happen, cause unless there is some technicality, the judge will take the officers word over yours and no matter if you have J. Cochran as your lawyer.
Pay the fine, you were in the wrong. Chances are, you were not a twit when the cop pulled you over and he did not feel like filling out all that paperwork to take your illegal butt to jail that night.
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Wait a minute.... if everyone just took responsiblity for thier own mistakes.... what would happen to all the lawyers??
Better think about THAT before you tell the truth.
SAVE THE LAWYERS!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by NUKE
yeah, had non-hodgkins lymphoma. I was actually pulled over after driving myself home after a VERY painful bone marrow test.
I seem to be clear so far, 39 years old and kicking.
Not to hijack this thread,but this is the best thing I've read all day.
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Originally posted by SaburoS
LOL, so now the Cops are at fault for issuing tickets for speeding. I get it now, it's not the speeder's fault, it's the cop's :rolleyes:
I wonder who's fault it would be if some innocent driver got killed or injured because someone thought that speed laws were only for those who drive during rush hour?
Time for this driver to think about how his actions can affect other drivers/cyclists/pedestrians.
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Trial by Written Declaration..try it..make up some good story...i have no wwon my last 2 out of 3 tickets,,
im doing a new trial for the 3rd one..they said no..I said.NEW TRIAL!!!!
atleast it keeps the tickect from htiing my insurance anytiem soon...
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Originally posted by GreenCloud
Trial by Written Declaration..try it..make up some good story...i have no wwon my last 2 out of 3 tickets,,
im doing a new trial for the 3rd one..they said no..I said.NEW TRIAL!!!!
atleast it keeps the tickect from htiing my insurance anytiem soon...
Following the speedlimits is not an option?
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Originally posted by BlckMgk
Does it change anything that I think I was clocked from the air?
-BM
If he was the one who saw you speed he will need to be present in court, not the cop who wrote out the ticket, unless he saw you speeding also.
If you don't have the opportunity to cross-examine the helicopter cop and he was the only one who recorded your speed, then you will win the case.
However, since you just said you only 'think' you were clocked from the air, then this probably will not work.
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Ticket says Pace Clocked....
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You say it was 2:00 am? That means he works the graveyard shift. My last two tickets were issued by graveyard shift officers. I went to court on both of them and neither one showed up. Case dismissed. :)
Want some tips on fighting tickets? Enter this on Google:
"moving radar" "defense strategies"
just like it's typed out above with quotes and all. Hit the "I'm Feeling Lucky" Google button and you will have access to lots of intersting information...
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Invest in a good radar detector and laser jammer. Saves me a lot.
Oh and before the soap-box-morales team chimes in I've been "incorrectly" clocked by laser at maximum range which is why I decided to defend myself from unreliable technology.
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Yeah was going to get an integrated valentine one with an indash display. Soon.. once I get back from vacation.
-BM
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I heard once that a guy was pulled aside at a Mass Turnpike exit. The calculated times (as shown on his Turnpike ticket stub) between his getting on at Exit X and getting off at Exit Y meant that he had to have driven well over 100. They had him wait on the side until a trooper showed up to ticket him. :)
Not completely sure it's not a local urban legend.
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Lidar/radar jammers are illegal almost everywhere. Even basic detectors are illegal in some states. When you're using a jammer it is also painfully obvious to the cop that you're using one so I'd hope you live in one of the few areas where they're still legal.
Radar/lidar detectors are almost worthless anyway and tend to give a false sense of security. A lot of people who use them actually get MORE tickets in the long run, and your chances of compassion from an officer usually go right out the window the instant he notices you have a detector. Judges tend to not like them very much either.
Special note--if "pace clock" means the same thing where BLCKMGK lives as it does here, then a detector or jammer wouldn't have made any difference for him except he proably would have given a higher citation.
J_A_B
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When they say "Do you know what speed you were doing" means they haven't a clue and need you to tell them so they can write the ticket. I always say 110kph :-)
I once got pinged for 120kph because he knew I was speeding but by the time he booted up the radar detector I was down to 125kph.
At the time I was actually doing somewhere around 150kph :D
Worst ticket I ever got was for 160kph overtaking a unmarked car. Though the funniest ever was passing a truck on a hill and then realise he was behind a police car, I blitzed them both and thought F*** it and just kept going.
Though my mate was behind me and the cops pulled him over out of frustration I think and asked him If he knew who the other guy was.
Oh these were on roads limited to 100kph. And when on a bike that can do 150kph in first 100 is bugger all. And no I don't make a habbit of speeding at ridiculous speeds too much on the road, tend to save it for more even surfaces like the track or speedway.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Invest in a good radar detector and laser jammer. Saves me a lot.
Oh and before the soap-box-morales team chimes in I've been "incorrectly" clocked by laser at maximum range which is why I decided to defend myself from unreliable technology.
My brother inlaw had installed the latest and top of the range Bell radar dectors and laser jammers in his new M3 beemer and after a month he took them out. Thought they were crap. Problem is the cops (when two in a car) often just ping you for a nanosecond and then turn it off. By the time the detector chirps you already have a ticket. And if the cop knows how to operate the lazer properly you won't have any luck there either.
Think alot of the marketing of radar detectors and jammers etc is hype and aren't worth it. My new girlfriend is a cop and they always laugh when they see some little black box with lights on the dash as they write the ticket.
I think the biggest joke in the police force is anything from Rocky Mountain or what ever they call it. $500 for $1 worth of lights and churps.
...-Gixer
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The best product I saw was a radar jammer that actually screws with the reading the detector gives off. So when the cop hits you with the radar it will come back either saying your going something like 10-20 mph or it will swing the either way and say your traveling close to 250. The purpose is to make the cop think something is wrong with his machine.
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Have you personally seen that machine in action RTStuka and seen its effect on the radar unit?
I've never seen anything like that. Yeah I've seen it hyped and advertised, but in practice I've never seen it actually happen as you describe. All the radar jammers I've seen work the same way and have the same, extremely distinct effect and it is NOT what you describe. The ones I've seen in action all make the police unit display 000 (like I said, painfully obvious) although I don't claim to be familiar with every product on the market.
The great failing with radar/lidar jammers/detectors is the underlying assumption that police HAVE to tag you with radar or lidar in order to write a citation---which of course they don't.
J_A_B
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Last November on a family trip across country I was cruising down hwy 70 near the Utah Wyoming borsder. This Utah HP car pulls in on my bellybutton and stays there for about 5 miles. I was pegged on the speed limit (cruise control) and he still followed. I was entering a windy section, and there were signs that said 55, 50 etc. for some of the turns. So I slowed to that exact speed for those turns.
Then he pulls me over.
His exact words "Well sir, you were going kinda slow there I was wondering if you were under the influence or driving impaired." I said I was just obeying the signs. He said "Oh those turn signs are just a suggestion".
"have a nice day"
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That's odd. You didn't seem THAT old when we met in Chino.
You age well, MT. ;)
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The perspective from a CHP officer's point of view:
If he stops someone and decides to give them a break (writing them for "70+" instead of 80, and then they try to beat it in court, here's what happens.
First, the officer gets overtime for the hours he's in court, so please please please take it to court. Please.
Second, when it's his turn to testify, he gives info on his training, his equipment, the situation, and what he saw. Typically, he will indicate that to give the speeder every benefit of the doubt, he wrote the ticket somewhat lower than his professional judgement indicated that the speeder was going at.
The judge usually asks the speeder if he was exceeding the speed limit. Regardless of the actual speed, if there is any indication that the person was going any amount over the speed limit, the ticket is upheld. If the accused refuses to answer, the traffic officer's professional judgement is taken as the only real testimony given.
The CHP officer I know is retired now, and he doesn't recall losing any trips to court over speeding tickets.
That said, it usually doesn't hurt to go to court because if the officer fails to show up for whatever reason (illness, duty, etc), the ticket is often thrown out entirely. If the officer shows, you tell the judge that you're there to discuss ways to get the ticket off your record in the shortest time and that is usually a fine, traffic school, and you're record is clear somewhat sooner than otherwise.
But trying to actually beat a generous ticket... You might end up irritating the judge and at least in California it's unlikely you'd get the ticket thrown out if the officer has any amount of competence in giving his testimony.
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Originally posted by Sandman
That's odd. You didn't seem THAT old when we met in Chino.
You age well, MT. ;)
My kids had a good laugh outta that one too.
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Originally posted by J_A_B
Lidar/radar jammers are illegal almost everywhere. Even basic detectors are illegal in some states. When you're using a jammer it is also painfully obvious to the cop that you're using one so I'd hope you live in one of the few areas where they're still legal.
Radar/lidar detectors are almost worthless anyway and tend to give a false sense of security. A lot of people who use them actually get MORE tickets in the long run, and your chances of compassion from an officer usually go right out the window the instant he notices you have a detector. Judges tend to not like them very much either.
J_A_B
Totally incorrect. LIDAR is basically infra-red, its subject to interference from reflected sunlight and halogen lights. The only case of its legality being questioned was in the UK where they charged a guy with perverting the course of justice or something like that. How can it be illegal to transmit light? All LIDAR jammers are is a couple of IR broadcasting lights (usually powerful LEDs).
LIDAR JAMMING WORKS. I have a Bel LaserPro, in New Zealand the cops primarily use Ka Band Radar or LIDAR. LIDAR is extremely popular with them. My jammers saved my bellybutton several times. Usually the cop moves after I drive passed as the jammer produces an error message on their gun which indicates an ambient light interference problem.
Radar jamming IS illegal and not because of the police radar issues but because it requires a license to operate radio equipment that strong.
Gixer, the Bels work great. The Ka band pickup is equal to the Escorts and better than the Valentine. What I do is turn off X band and K band detection which removes virtually all falses. If I even get a hint of a Ka hit I slow down for the next 5km, general when a cop is using Ka in instant-on mode the signal strength is massive, and you can detect them pinging people about 5km away (non-line of sight).
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Originally posted by J_A_B
Have you personally seen that machine in action RTStuka and seen its effect on the radar unit?
I've never seen anything like that. Yeah I've seen it hyped and advertised, but in practice I've never seen it actually happen as you describe. All the radar jammers I've seen work the same way and have the same, extremely distinct effect and it is NOT what you describe. The ones I've seen in action all make the police unit display 000 (like I said, painfully obvious) although I don't claim to be familiar with every product on the market.
The great failing with radar/lidar jammers/detectors is the underlying assumption that police HAVE to tag you with radar or lidar in order to write a citation---which of course they don't.
J_A_B
Yeah I have seen it in use and it does work, I dated a girl whos father was a cop and I got to see one in action then about a year later a friend of mine showed me an ad for one in a magazine.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Radar jamming IS illegal and not because of the police radar issues but because it requires a license to operate radio equipment that strong.
Hmmm... you can jam a radar with considerably less power than the "radio equipment". The goal is a high signal to noise ratio. The reflected energy from the target is a fraction of what was transmitted originally.
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Radar Jammers, regulated by the FCC, are illegal.
Laser Jammers, regulated by the FDA, are legal, but expensive and probably not too good.
The evil thing that needs to be a felony is civilian MIRTs.
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Originally posted by Sox62
Not to hijack this thread,but this is the best thing I've read all day.
Sox, I'm not sure if this was meant to be sarcastic or not.
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Originally posted by Montezuma
Laser Jammers, regulated by the FDA, are legal, but expensive and probably not too good.
...and also probably unnecessary. Lasers aren't more accurate than doppler radar. Unlike radar, the operator must be able to aim these. Moving from surface to surface on the vehicle can affect the computation of speed.
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Originally posted by J_A_B
The great failing with radar/lidar jammers/detectors is the underlying assumption that police HAVE to tag you with radar or lidar in order to write a citation---which of course they don't.
J_A_B
I always thought if you ask to see the radar gun, they must show you what you were doing... otherwise the ticket is dismissed in court.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
For those that dont know they take something like a small corkscrew And Drive it into the small of your back. TWICE Then pull a chunk of your bone marrow out
They went into the hip on me, and it was the most painful thing I have exerienced.
I had been told that it was possible to die from shock during the procedure. Since I had driven myself to the office, they would not give me demerol for any pain. Nothing can be done for the pain once in bone marrow though, as it has nerves and no pain killer can prevent that pain.
They gave me a local for the incision cuts in the skin in order to insert that HUGE needle down to the bone. Once it was at bone, the docter forced it into the bone with his weight........ and 2 nurses monitoring me and holding me down.
One the "needle" peirced the hip bone, the doc inserted a "scraping" tool down into the hollow "needle" and grabbed some marrow.....jezuss that hurt...I could feel each scrape through my entire body...like a toothache only 20 times worse.
I then returned to work. My boss said I was white as a ghost and let me go home. I drove home, got 2 tickets and crawled into bed expecting to die.
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Originally posted by Octavius
I always thought if you ask to see the radar gun, they must show you what you were doing... otherwise the ticket is dismissed in court.
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Don't bet on it.
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Perhaps only in Wisconsin...
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Originally posted by Octavius
Perhaps only in Wisconsin...
Probably varies state by state. I've spent some time with my brother in his cruiser (California) and used the radar myself. I never once saw him show the readout to the person he was ticketing. He didn't believe it was a requirement. He might show it simply to help "sell" the ticket but that's about it.
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First, when you get the ticket, you should have asked " May I please see the radar" and make sure it said 88 or whatever number he had on there, then you should have asked when the last time it was calibrated and if he had a copy of that calibration on him?
Why? Legal Aid will assist in dismissing this ticket because you have the right to ask such questions. If you request a court date before the 10-21 working day period to take care of the ticket, then ur chances of him not showing for a 6mph over is very rare.
If you fail to appear within the required time on the ticket, then you can be charged with a failure to appear, get the speeding dropped and plead guilty to the "failure to appear" wich most DA's do...but be known that the failure to appear will be more than the speeding ticket and they get there money ANYWAY!
If you take care of this promptly, odds are u getting it dropped. Doesnt matter what you think now, u signed the ticket! 51 or 88, u already signed it.
So now, if your within the dates to take care of it, plead not guilty, request a court date, and take a chance. Odds are he wont show. You can retain a lawyer pretty cheap for such a case. JUST REMEMBER this!
a $200 ticket "or what have u" is cheaper than ur insurance going up for the next 7 years! SO TAKE CARE OF IT NOW!!!
Good luck!
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Texas laws have you guys signing your tickets?
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Originally posted by Octavius
Texas laws have you guys signing your tickets?
Have for as long as I can remember. Not an admission of guilt though.
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The ticket is a court summons. Signing is a promise to appear before the judge. Don't sign and you go straight to jail and wait for trial.
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Originally posted by BlckMgk
Should I be grateful that a cop wrote me up for a 51 in a 45, because he forgave me for going "88". He says if I contest he will remove his previous citation and give the 88 as evidence. I mean... this doesn't make sense.
I know I was speeding, and I think I should be grateful for him giving me a 51 in a 45.. but hell... that means he really doesn't know how fast I was going, or does he?
Any advice?
-BM
If he wrote 51 on the ticket he ABSOLUTLY CANNOT go into court and change the speed. Thats perjury. On a case like this ask to see the radar readout, by law the officer has to show you . I would say hire a lawyer and fight it to keep points off. Was this a local officer or a state trooper? It also sounds like they have a quota system
As far as jammers go any radar jammer that TRANSMITS radar signals is illleagle. There are some that dont "transmit" that are effective when used properly. Just like radar detectors, if used correctly they will save your butt. Most people dont know how to use these devices and get nailed.
There is only one type of laser jammer I have seen to be effective and its only effective facing front while the officer is "shooting" you as you approch
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Originally posted by Octavius
I always thought if you ask to see the radar gun, they must show you what you were doing... otherwise the ticket is dismissed in court.??
This is not true where I live.
All they need to have on hand is the calibration for that day. They do have to calibrate it very often, and if they don't have proof then it can be dismissed.
Also since he Pace clocked me, he has to take the vehicle he's using for a speedometer calibration check. So.. now if he were to come to court in a different cruiser, and show the calibration for that car he came in, it will not be valid because its a different car.
I don't know if they swap cars that often, but if they do, thats a plus.
Originally posted by WilldCrd
If he wrote 51 on the ticket he ABSOLUTLY CANNOT go into court and change the speed. Thats perjury. On a case like this ask to see the radar readout, by law the officer has to show you . I would say hire a lawyer and fight it to keep points off. Was this a local officer or a state trooper? It also sounds like they have a quota system
This is what my lawyer told me, because he can't just change numbers, now that he's in court.
Orig
First, the officer gets overtime for the hours he's in court, so please please please take it to court. Please.
I've heard this also, and If it did make it to court, I would not plead on the grounds I wasn't speeding, but on the fact I have a good driving record, First speeding ticket, and if I can have the points removed.
But thats only if it goes to court. Where I live there are 2 hearings, first is with a warrant officer, and we can settle this out of court without the officer being present, this is where I can plea for no points, etc.. if they do not accept the offer then we goto court and ask the judge, and where a number of things can go wrong but not something to count on.
Anyhow thanks for the feedback
-BM
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Originally posted by BlckMgk
Well it is 2am.. and it was a highway.. 45 was a temp sign posted in a normaly 70 area...
I dunno.. I really think he has nothing.. but I'm just considering other opinions..
-BM
Something tells me this might have been a Construction Zone. Temp. speed limits occur during these stretches.
Karaya
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Originally posted by Montezuma
Radar Jammers, regulated by the FCC, are illegal.
Laser Jammers, regulated by the FDA, are legal, but expensive and probably not too good.
The evil thing that needs to be a felony is civilian MIRTs.
As the happy owner of a Bel LaserPro I can say you're wrong (and they're not that expensive).
You know a cops being jammed when he constantly pings you with his laser THEN turns around the ping you on the bellybutton as you drive past (the Bel has front and rear coverage).
There are several good makes of Laser Jammers out there.
I recommend shopping here: http://www.radarbusters.com
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Originally posted by WilldCrd As far as jammers go any radar jammer that TRANSMITS radar signals is illleagle. There are some that dont "transmit" that are effective when used properly. Just like radar detectors, if used correctly they will save your butt. Most people dont know how to use these devices and get nailed.
There is only one type of laser jammer I have seen to be effective and its only effective facing front while the officer is "shooting" you as you approch [/B]
Passaive Radar jammers are a total SCAM (Rocky Mountain Radar is usually the perputrator). They will not do anything to save your butt. If someone tries to sell you a radar jammer its either a hunk of plastic the beeps or an expensive device thats clearly illegal.
There are plenty of good laser jammer brands out there, Blinder, Escort, and Bel all have good kit.
A laser jammer is NOT reactive, it usually is an always-on unit.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Passaive Radar jammers are a total SCAM (Rocky Mountain Radar is usually the perputrator). They will not do anything to save your butt. If someone tries to sell you a radar jammer its either a hunk of plastic the beeps or an expensive device thats clearly illegal.
There are plenty of good laser jammer brands out there, Blinder, Escort, and Bel all have good kit.
A laser jammer is NOT reactive, it usually is an always-on unit.
I've seen some radar jammers that work.
Also I never said a laser jammer in NOT reactive. What I said was
There is only one type of laser jammer I have seen to be effective and its only effective facing front while the officer is "shooting" you as you approch [/B]
Also FYI the closer you get to the laser the less effective your jamming is
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i use a Passport 8500...
works dammmmmmm fine...
best 280$ i ever spent on speeding
I have read lazer detecors are usless...Lazers are a very precise beam of light..once it hits you..and you detect it..its tooolate..
Sate of Califonia cannot afford to arm the CHP with them,,they use KA band..radar..
LOVE MY PASSPORT!!
they got a new Passport 8500 mei think its called..it can detect what they callno.."flash radar"..it vcan detect the radar that just turns off and on very quickly..
I will never speed again with out my detector
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here's a tip let a car going about same speed get about 1/4 to 1/2 mile ahead. When he gets shot you'll know and slow down before you get shot too.
Truckers call it bearbait
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The ONLY radar detector to get is the Valentine One. It cold ***** both the Passport and Escort annually.
Btw, I've been doing some thinking. I believe you were speeding in a Construction Zone, if there was a Temp. Speed Limit. Why am I saying this? A lawyer won't be able to do anything for you, if it was in a Construcion Zone.
Karaya
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I can't imagine trying to fight something that I know I did wrong. Point blank... I don't get it. Whether you can succeed or not is irrelivent. It seems no one wants to take personal responsibility for their actions anymore. Everyone wants to sue someone or fight it out in court.
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
I've seen some radar jammers that work.
Also I never said a laser jammer in NOT reactive. What I said was
Also FYI the closer you get to the laser the less effective your jamming is
Well, fwiw, my Bel is front/rear facing,the Escort is the same, and the Blinder can be fitted to the rear.
Masherbrum in Ka band tests the Bel and Escort do better than the V1 (in NZ police are exclusively Ka or Laser now). The only thing the V1 gives you is a directional indicator, and for the price difference I don't think its worth it.
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Originally posted by GreenCloud
they got a new Passport 8500 mei think its called..it can detect what they callno.."flash radar"..it vcan detect the radar that just turns off and on very quickly..
I will never speed again with out my detector
The new mode is POP mode, but they're not allowed to use it to ticket it you with. Most of the Bels, Escorts, and Valentines already detect it (I know my old 985 does).
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Paxil:
I can't imagine trying to fight something that I know I did wrong. Point blank... I don't get it. Whether you can succeed or not is irrelivent. It seems no one wants to take personal responsibility for their actions anymore. Everyone wants to sue someone or fight it out in court.
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Because it's all a big scam.
In recent years, some insurance companies donated $20,000,000 (twenty million dollars) to police departments in the form of new laser and radar guns. Other insurance companies donated large amounts as well.
Insurance companies know that your chance of an accident do not dramatically go up because of a speeding ticket. As a matter of fact the ratio to accident increase is only 4% for someone having three tickets in a three year period; however if you get three tickets in a three year period your rates will double at the very least and more likely triple. For a 4% increase in risk they increase your premium by 100% to 200%. They do this because they can. They can because you as a consumer don't know the scam.
The reason they donate radar and laser guns to police department is not because they are trying to save lives. They want the amount of tickets issued to increase. If the amount of speeding tickets increases their ability to raise your rates increases dramatically, fattening their bottom line big time.
They are in business to make money. If you are a bad driver they don't want you at any cost. If you are a good driver they want to get more money from you if they can. To do this they have adjustments for your rate according to the amount of tickets you get knowing that their risk does not significantly increase.
Then there's the amount in fines that the state squeezes out of you. No quotas? Yeah, right!
It's not about saving lives. Studies have shown that traffic will move at a rate of speed that's comfortable to the majority of the drivers and to artificially lower that speed in the form of a reduced speed limit actually increases the odds of accidents happining.
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In a country that has a fewer amount of automobiles on the road this works, take the autobahn in Germany for example. However, our streets in the US are too congested and this speed limit tries to give the drivers the time to stop when spacing between cars is less than 30% of what it should be.
It is about saving lives, blaming an insurance company is just a smoke screen. I've seen too many mangled bodies from someone who thought the speed limit didnt apply to them.
Originally posted by JAGED
It's not about saving lives. Studies have shown that traffic will move at a rate of speed that's comfortable to the majority of the drivers and to artificially lower that speed in the form of a reduced speed limit actually increases the odds of accidents happining.
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BlckMgk: No question about it, you were in the wrong. You got caught, You were given a brake. The idea that you should still try weasle out of it, is far worse IMHO than the speeding itself.
HiTech
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lmfao..fight it.!!! why not?? If you have a bit of tiem to write stuff its easy..
I was skaetboarding with no helmet in a public skatepark..i was 29 years old..cop gave me a ticket..Firts tiem offense.....$173!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..I was comeplty at fault...Fuq helmets.....
I fougth it and won....
Speeding tickets..Screw that..Is it fair to charge you $270 dollars for going 80 mpg on a 65 mph freeway???....I myself say..Figth that sheite...With the rest of the gouging that coems along with speeding tickets ...I say screw them...Figth it...
I got off my last speeding ticket..81 in a 65..I said they got the wrong guy..it was dark night in dark car....I won..I dont knwo if the officer just didnt respond or what..but I dont care...I won
(this saved me atleast $1,000...who is the loser here..the state?..lmfao)
Trial By Written Decleration is a great thing
AND GET YOUR SELF A GOOD radar detector.....this doesnt allow you to speed..but it defnlty warns you when you are speeding and there is a radar on...i love mine
The idea that you should still try weasle out of it, is far worse IMHO than the speeding itself.
boooo...weasel who?..A bloated budget state that wastes your money already....I think Blk magic can spend his own money bettr then the states do..screw them FIGHT IT!!!!..hell its so easy to do a Trail by written decleration...it only costs you about a stamp and 20 minutes to type up... Save your self $1,000....pay the ticket and raise yopur car insurance...
BTW..I HATE YOU MOFORS> in the fast lane not passing ...GET THE F over....dam i hate the blockers
Im spinnen some cripsy cremes at a corner nere you ; )
Love
GC
xoxo