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Title: Nother Fuggin Bug
Post by: Kev367th on July 14, 2004, 12:37:56 AM
This one cost me a 262, game locked solid.
Looks as though AH2 is either try to reference unavailable memory area, or is attempting to access protected memory. This is starting to become UNACCEPTABLE.
Notice it says Application Error.
That memory ref is listed as under the PCI bus only. i.e. it is the actual bus and not any cards connected to it.
Which begs the question why is AH2 attempting to access a PCI slot that has NOTHING in it.

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Title: Nother Fuggin Bug
Post by: MOIL on July 14, 2004, 12:44:39 AM
From the looks of it, you must need an upgrade:p

Title: Nother Fuggin Bug
Post by: Kev367th on July 14, 2004, 12:50:48 AM
Oh of course forgot you need to upgrade excuse.
Title: Nother Fuggin Bug
Post by: Fish323 on July 14, 2004, 01:28:09 AM
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Originally posted by MOIL
From the looks of it, you must need an upgrade:p



  It just kills me that most of the members here refuse to admit the problems with this game. Do you mean to tell me that my 1 year old computer which runs every, and I mean EVERY application I have ever run on it flawlessly (many of them 3-D games) is not up to par because this solitary program causes constant crashes and total freeze ups. Furthermore, dozens, if not hundreds of other players, some with brand new gaming computers (2.2Ghz, 1 GH Ram, 256 Vid Card 12 cooling fans) have the same problems because thier systems are out of date as well?
   Please tell me, what is the weather like on your planet? I must know.
Title: Nother Fuggin Bug
Post by: Kev367th on July 14, 2004, 02:00:59 AM
I believe Moil was being sarcastic Fish.
Title: Nother Fuggin Bug
Post by: Kev367th on July 14, 2004, 04:38:20 AM
UPDATE-
Uninstalled AH2 which was the original 2.0 with patches.
Dowloaded and installed 2.5. Played for around 3 hours everything O.K, at the moment. Wonder if theres a prob with the original 2.0 then adding the patches.
Only main difference is I am not using Mitsu's sound pack.
Will leave it a few days with default sounds then install Mitsu's stuff, see what happens.
Title: Nother Fuggin Bug
Post by: Fish323 on July 14, 2004, 08:22:46 AM
you know I'm not too bright;)
Title: Nother Fuggin Bug
Post by: Sikboy on July 14, 2004, 09:00:51 AM
Not for nothing, but Mitsu's soundpack has been the source of pain for a few other users as well.

I don't know if that was the case for you, but it is something to consider. Had you tried AH2 without MSP prior to the reinstall?

-Sik
Title: Nother Fuggin Bug
Post by: acetnt367th on July 14, 2004, 09:23:11 AM
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Originally posted by Kev367th
UPDATE-
Uninstalled AH2 which was the original 2.0 with patches.
Dowloaded and installed 2.5. Played for around 3 hours everything O.K, at the moment. Wonder if theres a prob with the original 2.0 then adding the patches.
Only main difference is I am not using Mitsu's sound pack.
Will leave it a few days with default sounds then install Mitsu's stuff, see what happens.


I did the same. i.e. did a reinstall. Originally I had version 2 and patches. I don't get any CTDs now but still get a stutter at times. I also did not reinstall the sound pack and have left the default sound and lastly I have not touched the film viewer after reinstalling.

The stutters, I can live with, the CTDs I can't --- so I am ok at the moment


Regards

Acetnt
Title: Nother Fuggin Bug
Post by: Kev367th on July 14, 2004, 07:54:43 PM
Yup now played a long time without CTD. So it has to be either
a) The 2.0 + patches or
b) Mitsus sounds.
Title: Nother Fuggin Bug
Post by: Charon on July 14, 2004, 08:32:56 PM
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It just kills me that most of the members here refuse to admit the problems with this game. Do you mean to tell me that my 1 year old computer which runs every, and I mean EVERY application I have ever run on it flawlessly (many of them 3-D games) is not up to par because this solitary program causes constant crashes and total freeze ups. Furthermore, dozens, if not hundreds of other players, some with brand new gaming computers (2.2Ghz, 1 GH Ram, 256 Vid Card 12 cooling fans) have the same problems because thier systems are out of date as well?
Please tell me, what is the weather like on your planet? I must know.


Some of us have installed the game on two different systems on the home LAN, on a buddy's system for him as part of an XP upgrade, with different operating systems, hardware (CPU/vid/mem/MB/sound card/game controllers) differnt mixes of loaded applications -- with no CTDs, no stutters and less overall bugginess than AH1 (exits for example used to hang occasionally) and perhaps a dozen other recent games. So, it's kinda hard to really admit to how buggy AH2 is for some of us...

Charon
Title: Nother Fuggin Bug
Post by: Charon on July 14, 2004, 08:33:57 PM
DBL POST -- even the BBS is buggier for me than AH2


Charon
Title: Nother Fuggin Bug
Post by: Kev367th on July 14, 2004, 09:04:53 PM
Yup I understand, I am just wondering if the problems were being caused by the original AH2.0 file + the 5 patches.
New downloadable AH2 exe file is an all in one 2.5.
Or by Mitsus sounds, which I am downloading and gonna install.
Stay tuned for the next installment, same AH time, same AH channel.
Title: Nother Fuggin Bug
Post by: KurtVW on July 14, 2004, 11:25:10 PM
I'd be inclined to blame the sound pack... I've been patching since 2.0 (which was a full version install) and I find patch 5 to be quite stable.  I am not running any third party stuff..

For the record I'm also running it at 1600x1200x32 with the sliders at about 80 percent full detail.

I haven't had a single CTD in patch 5 (4 was really bad).  And its worthy of note that I have never lost VOX, not even once since AH2 came out, which by it self I consider a nice improvement over AH1.
Title: Missing the point..??
Post by: kamori on July 15, 2004, 12:37:04 PM
I think most of us are so caught up in trying to make this game work that we are missing the real problem.

1) We have purchased software....
2) We have loaded it on machines that exceed the minimum   requirements set by the manufacture....
3) We have spent many hours in the game.....(with years of experience in AH)....
4) We have installed new drivers, updated systems, ETC...


Why are we getting involved in solving their problem?

Now don’t say " we are beta testing”..really, I haven’t been paid for my service...come to think of it we are paying them to get stressed out and not enjoy the product WE pay for, that I once enjoyed for close to 2 years...

I dont know about the rest of you but, I play for fun..Right now Its not fun...:confused:


Our acceptance of a product that is released too soon is insane


Now I cant wait to see all the HTC defenders reply...err..lemmings

Final: We have a choice to Pay and play it as is or not, Dont We.

Kalamori
Title: Nother Fuggin Bug
Post by: Charon on July 15, 2004, 01:30:20 PM
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Our acceptance of a product that is released too soon is insane


Now I cant wait to see all the HTC defenders reply...err..lemmings

Final: We have a choice to Pay and play it as is or not, Dont We.

Kalamori



There's always console games. Never had a problem with one of those. But, I can't recall a single computer game (at least the ones I' play) that hasn't had a patch, or two or three -- usually to solve some problem that only a handful of people were having. And in the late 1990s, the years of Red Baron 2, etc., finding a game that was even playable out of the box could be a challenge.

Closer to home, lets see...

IL2 - patches there
WW2OL - oh man
WB - don't know

As you say in your "Final," you do have a choice. Personally, over a dozen times at least I've worked through problems for games I've wanted to play. But, we do live in a console world today.

Charon
Title: Re: Missing the point..??
Post by: Fish323 on July 17, 2004, 02:31:59 PM
Quote
Originally posted by kamori
I think most of us are so caught up in trying to make this game work that we are missing the real problem.

1) We have purchased software....
2) We have loaded it on machines that exceed the minimum   requirements set by the manufacture....
3) We have spent many hours in the game.....(with years of experience in AH)....
4) We have installed new drivers, updated systems, ETC...


Why are we getting involved in solving their problem?

Now don’t say " we are beta testing”..really, I haven’t been paid for my service...come to think of it we are paying them to get stressed out and not enjoy the product WE pay for, that I once enjoyed for close to 2 years...

I dont know about the rest of you but, I play for fun..Right now Its not fun...:confused:


Our acceptance of a product that is released too soon is insane


Now I cant wait to see all the HTC defenders reply...err..lemmings

Final: We have a choice to Pay and play it as is or not, Dont We.

Kalamori


I couldn't have said it better myself
Title: Nother Fuggin Bug
Post by: 38ruk on July 20, 2004, 12:16:12 AM
well im not a HT supporter lemming lol, but i will say this, i run the same exact program that you are , and not having a single issue. After shutting down all background processes its smooth as glass .

xp2800+
ati 9800 pro
512 pc 2700
Title: Nother Fuggin Bug
Post by: MetaTron on July 20, 2004, 11:38:12 AM
I get this message everytime I try to start AHII. The game CTD's everytime without fail when I don't see this message.
Title: Nother Fuggin Bug
Post by: MetaTron on July 20, 2004, 11:38:57 AM
I get this message everytime I try to start AHII. The game CTD's everytime without fail when I don't see this message.
Title: Nother Fuggin Bug
Post by: Kev367th on July 20, 2004, 12:46:40 PM
Not had a CTD for a while now. Was ploughing through loads of BB's and came up with this snippet.

If you use Omega Drivers only! ( no option in ATI ones)
Go to your programs and select "Advanced Smartgart Options"
Turn OFFf "AGP writes" only. (only error checking anyway)
Leave AGP reads enabled.
Title: Nother Fuggin Bug
Post by: JB73 on July 20, 2004, 03:53:18 PM
kev, i also noticed really oddball things doing all the upgrades too.

i uninstalled fully, restarted, deleted all HTC folders not removed from the uninstall, defragged whole drive in safe mode, restarted scandisk, restart then installed fresh 2.03 into an fresh clean directory all has worked great since.

im going to do this same process for every 3 updates.