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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hortlund on July 14, 2004, 09:11:22 AM
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Plural Lineages in the
Human mtDNA Genome
ABSTRACT: Analysis of recent research indicates a plural
genealogy for the human mtDNA genome: an African, and
two indigenous Eurasian lineages that are NOT derived from
the African. This falsifies the 'Out of Africa' radiation
and replacement theory, and means there is NOT one,
African 'Eve', who is ancestral to all modern humans.
In addition to the plain text below, the paper may be viewed
at http://www.rafonda.com Attached Fig.2 is from the Innan &
Nordborg paper, Recombination or Mutational Hotspots in
Human mtDNA
http://walnut.usc.edu/~magnus/paper...dborg02-MBE.pdf
Data from Natural selection shaped regional mtDNA
variation in humans (Mishmar, et al.,) is also analyzed in
this paper. http://www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/100/1/171.pdf
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the seven eves theory is back :)
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Fascinating idea (I assume the papers are peer reviewed).
Wonder if there are any animal parallells, ie two or more species originating separatly and merging by interbreeding.
Same kind of evidence would be present in mtDNA.
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WELL... THAT JUST MESSES EVERYTHING UP SO IT CAN'T BE TRUE!!!! :confused:
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Jimmy Cliff is going to have to change some of the lyrics in his songs.
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Is this the "Arian" movement rising up again?
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This topic was the evolution version of the Big Bang theory. Every came from one source. Hell, now we're gonna have to re think that one now too. :p
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Seems extremely unlikely.
If two species did evolve into one. then they probably started as one at some time befor that.
Im no scietist..cant even spell it..but Im just saying..
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PONGOWN3D!!!
I have no idea what that means, just fun to say it.
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this board is populated with idiots.
All human beings are derived from a single alien event.
The great deposit!
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BS meter reading: BZZT! "stinky poo alert"
-Out of context and misleading citations of real scientific papers: check.
-Shady curriculum of the author as "Author and Epistemologist": check.
- Nutty "Peer reviewed" journal: check
So this guy has his paper published in "Mankind Quarterly", what a bunch of fine fellow peer reviewers:
"The founder and editor of this journal, Robert Gayre, was a champion of apartheid and has stated his belief that blacks are worthless. Other prominent scientists associated with the journal have included the anti-Semite and racist Henry Garrett of the White Citizens Council, Corrado Gini, a leading biologist in Mussolini's Italy and author of The Scientific Basis of Fascism, and Ottmar von Verschuer, a mentor of Josef Mengele and a race scientist in Nazi Germany.
Even more significantly, Mankind Quarterly has been controlled by Roger Pearson for the last 25 years. Pearson was a leader of the pro-fascist Northern League, which included a number of former Nazi SS officials, and a member of the World Anti-Communist League, described by former member Geoffrey Stewart-Smith as a collection of "nazis, fascists, anti-Semites, and vicious racists."
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
PONGOWN3D!!!
I have no idea what that means, just fun to say it.
kinda rolles off the tounge
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Originally posted by takeda
BS meter reading: BZZT! "stinky poo alert"
-Out of context and misleading citations of real scientific papers: check.
-Shady curriculum of the author as "Author and Epistemologist": check.
- Nutty "Peer reviewed" journal: check
So this guy has his paper published in "Mankind Quarterly", what a bunch of fine fellow peer reviewers:
"The founder and editor of this journal, Robert Gayre, was a champion of apartheid and has stated his belief that blacks are worthless. Other prominent scientists associated with the journal have included the anti-Semite and racist Henry Garrett of the White Citizens Council, Corrado Gini, a leading biologist in Mussolini's Italy and author of The Scientific Basis of Fascism, and Ottmar von Verschuer, a mentor of Josef Mengele and a race scientist in Nazi Germany.
Even more significantly, Mankind Quarterly has been controlled by Roger Pearson for the last 25 years. Pearson was a leader of the pro-fascist Northern League, which included a number of former Nazi SS officials, and a member of the World Anti-Communist League, described by former member Geoffrey Stewart-Smith as a collection of "nazis, fascists, anti-Semites, and vicious racists."
I dunno but sounds like at least some parts are correct...
'The proposal to scrap the concept of race altogether is currently only one extreme in a range of views. It is certainly not shared by all anthropologists and is by no means the majority opinion of the public at large. It appears to be a conclusion reached more on the basis of political and philosophical creeds than on scientific arguments. Correspondingly, anthropologists who do hold this opinion often attempt to shout down their opponents rather than convince them by presentation of facts. Their favored method of argumentation is to label anybody who disagrees with them as racist. The public, however, seems unimpressed by their rhetoric. It refuses to believe that the differences they see are a mere figment of their imagination. A lay-person can tell with a high degree of accuracy where individuals come from just by glimpsing their features.
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Pardon sir, I'm sorry about smearing the honour of a bunch of Ex-SS, Neo Nazis, Apartheid cheerleaders and White Supremacists by presuming they are racist, and assuming that any information about anthropology coming from their organizations might be tainted by their largely known by now opinions about the "untermenschen".
Even without considering the source, the "paper" is crap, the cited "real" papers don't support the claims.
The point of the article is "OK My granpa could be a chimp, but in no way he was a negro". The rest is just shiny pseudotechnical babble and stolen graphics to fool the already convinced.
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You need no pardon from me. However, I find it amusing in that your only rebuttal is name calling just like the author of the above quote pointed out.
Outside of that I could careless.
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Come on guys... if your gonna fight.. take it to the Voss thread where it belongs...:rolleyes:
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No more fight, I already lost because calling card-carrying nazis "racists" is "name calling".
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but i thought we started from adam and eve in the garden of everything is good except apples?!!?!
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Originally posted by Furball
but i thought we started from adam and eve in the garden of everything is good except apples?!!?!
and french wine!! don't forget french wine!!
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Speaking of recently "disproved" scientific theories...
Got an email not too long ago from some dude in China, hdgbyi@public.guangzhou.gd.cn (if you wanna email him) claiming to have disproven the Heisenberg uncertainty principle...
Next thing you know, they'll be telling people Santa Claus isn't real.
righty
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Evolution:
Those with hair on their head after age 40 are genetically closer to upright walking apes than those who have evolved (with no hair on their heads) :D
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Well given the fact that older and older specimens related to human development are being discovered in Africa's Great Rift Valley (a 6,000-mile fissure stretching from Lebanon to Mozambique). the development and timeline of early man is constantly being pushed back because of ongoing discoveries there.
One of its most dramatic sections slices through East Africa, dividing Kenya into two segments.
Who knows, maybe these "experts will actually find evidence of the "mud people" afterall...
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Does this mean I can no longer fill in African American on any form?
-SW
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everybody know that it all started when god were to slow on his way to the toilet
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Obviously this human ancestor had to evolve in one place. Perhaps one population wondered off and later rejoined (and interbred) with the other population.
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The theory seems to be that the intial migration of hominids(originating in africa apperenlty) populated Eurasia and then evolved into distinctive sub species because they had millions of years to do so. The second wave of bipeds starting 70 000 years ago spread from africa again and interbred with the varios exisiting decendents of the first migration. Leading to the sub species we have now.
No one is debating apperanlty wether we are one speicies. The debate seems to be whether these 3 or more distinctive sub speicies could be called different races. Or maybe its if they are distinct enought to even call them sub species?
It seems that some feel that the second migration replaced the first migration. Some feel the second migration joined the first migration and that we are all blends of first and second migration.
The second seems likely to me. As it alows for the gentic diveristy we have while showing that we do have a common ancestor at the root of the second migration.
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I'm still waiting for some chimp from outer space with a large helmet to come to Earth and say
I AM YOUR FATHER!
Now that would be something to see!
Daniel
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I agree with Pongo interpretation of the subject.
;)
The rest is history.
:D
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Horses and donkeys can mate but mules are sterile.
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Originally posted by -MZ-
Horses and donkeys can mate but mules are sterile.
There was a fertile female mule some years back. If I recall her name was "blue"
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Originally posted by CyranoAH
I'm still waiting for some chimp from outer space with a large helmet to come to Earth and say
I AM YOUR FATHER!
Now that would be something to see!
Daniel
(http://www.rebelshaven.com/Images/ESB/ESB012.jpg)
If you only knew the power of the dark side. Obi-wan never told you what happened to your father...
Tronsky
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I AM YOUR FATHER
(http://casal.upc.es/danig27/darthvader.jpg)
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Originally posted by CyranoAH
I AM YOUR FATHER
(http://casal.upc.es/danig27/darthvader.jpg)
Man, whenever I'm convinced this BB couldn't get any lower...:rofl
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He should have a bannana in his hand.
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(http://home.earthlink.net/~mikeywaltz/darth-chimpler.jpg)
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I had a feeling someone would use the darth vader monkey. Someone always does in a case like this.
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Who cares where we came from?
The question is; We're here, now what are we supposed to do?
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Originally posted by Coolridr
Who cares where we came from?
The question is; We're here, now what are we supposed to do?
You are to do whatever I tell you to do. Bring me some beer.