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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: MetaTron on July 14, 2004, 11:28:46 AM
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With his growing popularity a very unsure thing, Fester has decided to return to the MA. His system has been repaired by little ninjas that spontaneously sprang from black helicopters above the grassy... Well, you get the idea.
Welcome back Fester!
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Voss, take your own life.
Please.
-Smut
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Originally posted by MetaTron
With his growing popularity a very unsure thing, Fester has decided to return to the MA. His system has been repaired by little ninjas that spontaneously sprang from black helicopters above the grassy... Well, you get the idea.
Welcome back Fester!
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/178_1089822379_mmoore.jpg)
Voss, you know crack is bad for you, right?:eek: You are one disturbed lil' dude, seek professional help before it's too late.... Oh...wait, it's already too late. :eek:
Zazen
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Voss,
Being smart really isn’t your thing. This attempt at humor doesn’t work. It’s pathetic to see you make such a fool of yourself.
It is pretty funny though. Keep it up; everyone loves a good train wreck.
eskimo
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Originally posted by MetaTron
His system has been repaired by little ninjas that spontaneously sprang from black helicopters above the grassy... Well, you get the idea.
Welcome back Fester!
Wow. How did he figure out how to use your ninjas?
-Sik
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what Smut said
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This forum needs a healthy dose of sanity after all of this Voss craziness. Bring back Mr. Black!
-- Todd/Leviathn
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This Voss guy really using the name MetaTron now?
Or are you guys just giving this guy a hard time?
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(excerpt)
This is from a close associate who was part of the Voss scam called 'TAS' .. and aye, Maverick .. he probably took the name of the squadron, but the scam was not done by the squad ...it was perpetrated by Voss.
> How much money did he get from who?
Before I answer your question, I'll put my cards face up on the table, just so you know where I'm coming from.
Back when Paul "Voss" Hinds began his Scam I had already been playing AW for several years. Voss was a member of an Air Warrior Squadron called the 13th TAS, a Squad that has since had links with other online flight sim's and is also currently running in Aces High.
I only mention that because TAS was the name of the new online game at the centre of the scam, and it is important to point out that they were in no way connected with it, as far as I know the other members of the Squad are all honourable men.
Also, I've never written any of this down before, so by way of disclaimer, I will say that I'm working entirely from memory, but this is in any case how I remember those events as they occurred.
I was one of the beta testers for TAS and although I was one of the lucky ones, the scam cost me money, and wasted a great deal of my time. Also, let's not forget that at the time this was the biggest, longest and most outrageous scam ever to hit the flight sim' community! Now you know where I'm coming from, I'll answer your question.
The person who lost the most was the main investor, Michael "Amok" Hobuss, who I believe was one of Voss's AW Squad mates. From my perspective as one of the beta testers, the deal appeared to be that Voss did all the programming and design while Amok covered the expenses and development
costs, including having a new powerful development machine delivered to Voss, setting up and maintaining the beta team, bulletin board, and all advertising and promotional costs.
Now before we go any farther, let's just look at that set-up. Voss had built credibility by claiming to have two doctorates, and vast relevant experience, he was not just exaggerating, he was deliberately giving false information to a squad mate, in order to
encourage him into parting with money and equipment for services he knew that he could not deliver.
He was never in the CIA, was never an F-16 pilot and he did not shoot down two enemy aircraft has he claimed, he did not own
a P-51, and has probably never even flown one, and he did not have two PhDs.
He fabricated that entire web of lies with the obvious motivation of securing investment for his own personal gain.
This scam lasted a long time, and was fed with screen shots that looked magnificent, but which were in fact only artwork, and the delays were blamed on all manner of incredible circumstances, a scorpion bite, brain tumour, even some mention of special missions with the CIA.
During that time a large number of people were involved on the beta site, and I was one of them. I've heard that some of the beta testers were also asked for front money, but I can't recall being asked, but I do remember that I didn't send money. So I can't confirm that.
The scam dragged on so long that someone eventually checked into his background, and his military service was the first thing to come under scrutiny.
When it transpired that he had not been an F-16 pilot in the
USAF, he invented the CIA story to explain why his name didn't appear in military records, but the wall was beginning to crumble.
As more of his lies were exposed, Michael Hobuss became suspicious, but no doubt found it very hard to believe that a squad mate would lie and steal from him, so at that point he was actually covering for him.
Then things began to move quickly, because his stories were stretching credibility to the limit. I know how long you need to remain in education to get a PhD, not to mention two! Computer skills that exceeded those of the best programmers of the day, USAF training, a flying career, converting to F-16s, recruitment by the CIA, a privately owned P-51, and this man appeared to have achieved more than most could manage in two life times.
Everyone was suspicious and people were asking awkward questions. Michael Hobuss was also getting nervous and began asking awkward questions too, and that's when Voss disappeared. The Scorpion bite! It was reported that Folk
even visited Voss in hospital, so perhaps that part was true, but it just went down hill from there.
Time dragged on, and after more revelations, and no further evidence that the game even existed, Voss was supposed to have a brain tumour resulting in the end of the game's development, but then Michael Hobuss blew the whistle!
He admitted he had been conned, and lost his hardware, the
expenses and development costs, and that there never was any game. Any beta testers who had fronted money to the project had lost it. I had spent a lot of time logging onto the beta test site and incurred telephone costs and wasted many hours of my own time, but I was one of the lucky ones!
How much did Michael Hobuss eventually lose, I can't say, but I'd guess the figure must have been at least several thousand, and to be fair I heard that he was able to recover some of it. I'm not even sure how much I lost, I certainly wasn't bothered about it because it would have only been a fraction of what I was spending on AW at that time :)
This was a classic con! He fooled an investor, into parting with money and goods, by pretending to be something he wasn't.
The scam involved a large number of people, and left the community shaken, not because they had been taken in by a conman, but because they had been taken by one of their own,
some one many believed to be a squad mate and a friend.
For many it wasn't so much the money as the betrayal, that hurt that most.
Now I guess that all this could be forgotten if Voss had gone away, but he is still here, and he is attempting to rebuild his stock in the community.
Only recently he put out a call to the Aces High community to become involved in another project, that appeared to have all the hallmarks of another scam.
I was amazed when I saw it, and I thought to myself, "Here we
go again". Make no mistake, given the opportunity I believe he would do it again, it even looks very much as though he has actually tried already.
But fortunately, nobody took the bait. They never took the bait thanks to the efforts of those who remember, nobody has been allowed to forget.
The community has successfully protected itself by not allowing others to be taken in. That in my humble opinion is the morally correct, right and proper, thing to do.
When I see folk rehash the Voss stuff (as you call it) I'm always pleased to see it, because everytime it comes out I think that perhaps another few individuals have been made wise to him.
It also saddens me to see others defend him, because they are only helping him build a platform from which to strike again.
I haven't been able to give you exact figures, but does that answer your question?
-brought to you by Frank P. 'Gray Eagle' Williamson
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Mark my words.... I'm sorry I brought up this round of the 6 month Voss shuffle.
I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry.
P.S. LOL smut.
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"... little ninjas that spontaneously sprang from black helicopters above the grassy.."
During the break they managed to squeeze from slaving away on TAS I bet!
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This thread is a very smart move really. It seems like a good way to get both threads closed.
But either way, it seems that the job is done, and these things will soon go dormant for another 6-12 months.
-Sik
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Voss,
(http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v299/thedudeDVant/shut_up.gif)
Best wishes,
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Originally posted by MetaTron
With his growing popularity a very unsure thing, Fester has decided to return to the MA. His system has been repaired by little ninjas that spontaneously sprang from black helicopters above the grassy... Well, you get the idea.
Welcome back Fester!
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/178_1089822379_mmoore.jpg)
lol as I type this reply from my small screened laptop and tiny keyboard wondering how I got back into the MA without having my desktop pc in the same timezone (its on its way to california for repairs)
come on voss. i wouldnt even give this flame on me a 1 out of 10. its like a 0 out of 10. no imagination. no custom graphics. and jesus you got bored with your own post after talking about grass and helicopters and just gave up!!!
sad sad sad.
i hate to say it but this dosn't even deserve the VOSS Vaporware Flightsim development company official seal.
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Kids never stop.
again......again........again ........again.........again
got 2 kids at home the oldest is 2 it never stops also.
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LMFAO Fester!! hahahahahahahha
:lol :lol :lol :lol :) :) :lol :lol :lol :lol
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(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/532_1089822511_gay2.jpg) why was it even posted
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Let`s play Whac A Mole!!!!!
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Comment: First off let me say this game is fun: for kids, for adults, it's fun to play and you will die laughing watching other people play. The game has 3 settings; SOLO PLAY - here you can play by yourself, smacking the moles that light up as fast as you can smack them. HEAD TO HEAD - Take on any challengers as you go for the red lights and they go for the yellow. Whoever hits the most wins! (and the game keeps score and displays it throughout each game) And lastly, FOLLOW ME - the moles light up in sequence, and you have to follow the pattern to win, sort of like the old Simon game.
Not only do the small lights on the moles light up for game play, but the moles will also taunt you when it is your turn, and if you miss, they will yell things out to you. Of course if you do manage to hit them, the games sound effects will let you know that too with a resounding THUNK or one of the moles yelling out. All the 20 different sound effects in the game sound great and will have you in stitches.
The feature that really makes this game work for all ages is the speed setting. You get 5 choices, 1 being the slowest, perfect for even the youngest children, and 5 being so fast, adults will be flailing about trying to hit any of the lights, its hilarious!
The game required absolutely no assembly at all, a huge relief after applying 2 million stickers to my daughters Barbie Airplane before I opened this baby. All you do is roll out the game, pop open the battery case with a screwdriver, throw 2 double A's in and you are set!
I ranked the educational value at a three, mostly for the hand eye coordination that it takes to play the game, since hitting moles on the head offers no real educational opportunities that I can think of. But then again no one claimed that this game would replace going to school, there should always be time for fun too, and this game provides it!
The game looks and feels very sturdy, and two mallets are solid enough to whack those moles without feeling like they were going to break apart. We've only had it for a couple days, but it has taken some abuse so far and withstood it just fine. I've had plenty of toys that never made it past Christmas day, but this one is making it.
Not only is the game still in one piece, but we all have been playing it constantly since it was unwrapped. My wife thinks she owns the title of Master of Whac a Mole, but after a few late night practice sessions, I'm sure I can regain my title!
All in all, the game is really fun, challenging, and great for all ages, from my 3-year-old daughter up to any age adult who can wield a plastic mallet. It has terrific sound effects, fun game options, and can be played alone or with two people. If you are undecided about this game, buy it today: the whole family will enjoy it for a long time to come.
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Originally posted by 2shad4u
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/532_1089822511_gay2.jpg) why was it even posted
Perhaps, because the original poster is a certified, criminally insane, lunatic ? Just a shot in the dark... ;)
Zazen
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like i said previously, u guys need to get out more
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All court documents are public record right? Someone in the bbs legal department post some images of paperwork showing voss gettin sued, or whatever. I would have at least filed a complaint about losing money. (are fester and voss calling each other and laughing at all of this?)
(barbarino) Im so confused!
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Originally posted by Smut
Voss, take your own life.
Please.
-Smut
You first! :D
Why don't you line up all the pissed off turds in a quad sized wrestling ring, and I'll have at you all twenty at a time? Everytime a man hits the mat he kills himself on the spot. Put your life where your sleazy mouth is. You Flying Pigs never had much of a cooth to you, the whole lot. Fug off you degenerate mealy mouthed wussy.
We can sell tickets to the above event at $14.95 a ticket, and donate it to the widows of all the wannabe rock stars on this BBS.
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Originally posted by jaxxo
All court documents are public record right? Someone in the bbs legal department post some images of paperwork showing voss gettin sued, or whatever. I would have at least filed a complaint about losing money. (are fester and voss calling each other and laughing at all of this?)
(barbarino) Im so confused!
Never was a court case. Never was a dime spent. Hobutt lied, smeared, and was in control of all P.R. for TAS. These guys are just spiteful. Not a single one of them are worth the effort, and none of them have a life. NONE.
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Voss just keep your voss handle on the bbs and put metatron in the sig.
seems less shizophrenic that way.
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Originally posted by Voss
You first! :D
Why don't you line up all the pissed off turds in a quad sized wrestling ring, and I'll have at you all twenty at a time? Everytime a man hits the mat he kills himself on the spot. Put your life where your sleazy mouth is. You Flying Pigs never had much of a cooth to you, the whole lot. Fug off you degenerate mealy mouthed wussy.
We can sell tickets to the above event at $14.95 a ticket, and donate it to the widows of all the wannabe rock stars on this BBS.
So much anger! :mad: For an internet crook you sure are very judgemental of other people!! :eek: It's still really cool you finally came out of the closet though, you look much better in your official 'Scam Artist' uniform. :cool:
Zazen
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Wow. this only get more sad.
I am not sure but I think Hammy defending this **** is the most sad.
Like it or not Voss/meta are making your sqaud look pretty bad.
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like i said before, i couldnt give 2 flying ****es what you guys think, "Metatron" is my mate and squaddie, and i hope he remains to be for a long time to come
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"Metatron" is my mate
hmmm Im thinking a casting change is in order.....any ideas?
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This is too good to be true....
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
hmmm Im thinking a casting change is in order.....any ideas?
I'm not sure, but a hairy legged drag queen comes to mind.
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Originally posted by Hammy
"Metatron" is my mate
Hammy and Voss mating is a really bad visual. Was going to reply to this, but the psychological trauma would have been too severe. Going to leave this one alone. I am happy to see these two guys finally coming out of the closet though. Celebrating your alternative lifestyle is the first step in the healing process...:aok
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I'm not sure, but a hairy legged drag queen comes to mind.
My toughts exactly....John Leguizamo reprising his role as clowney from "SPAWN"
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Originally posted by Zazen13
For an internet crook
Zazen
prove it....
any fuggin proof ANYWHERE that you dumbprettythanges sent money in....
all I hear is Fester whining about NOTHING.....spit it out Fester or STFU
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like i said..................... SUCKAHS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by SLO
prove it....
any fuggin proof ANYWHERE that you dumbprettythanges sent money in....
all I hear is Fester whining about NOTHING.....spit it out Fester or STFU
Are you reading all the posts in the main thread? Several people have posted proof.
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then they SUCKAHS too LOL
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you are just bitter coz u were suckered by someone more wily and cunning than you
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Was going to reply to this, but the psychological trauma would have been too severe. Going to leave this one alone.
Zazen
you should....you're already a fruitcake anyways
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Are you reading all the posts in the main thread? Several people have posted proof.
thats hearsay.....NOT FACTS also known as PROOF
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Originally posted by SLO
you should....you're already a fruitcake anyways
I know you are! But, what am I!! Neener Neener! :rolleyes:
Zazen
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WilldCrd
How about the kid from different strokes? That would be perfect casting.
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whach u talkin about Willis?
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Hammy
We know you do not care about your rep and your sqauds, he is your mate and your cool with him being scum.
Still I was the Sqaud CO, I would kick you both out for your sadly embarrassing posts.
I gues by your reasoning if Voss had bilked a bunch of senior citizens out of their retirement, as long he was your mate he would be cool.
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listen u, i couldnt give 2 monkeys what you say, your comments will "NEVER" have any bearing on my real life so why bother?
I said Meta was my mate, No proof that Meta is Voss, so until then......................... ............................. ............................. ............................. ............................. ............................. ............................. ...SUCKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by SLO
thats hearsay.....NOT FACTS also known as PROOF
Do a google group search on Paul Hinds, Voss and TAS if you don't believe it. You and your squaddies are wrong tho--you're flying w/ one of the most infamous snakes in flightsimdom. Not your fault, but a fact nevertheless. Heck, talk to Kieran (in the other thread)--he was in the "beta" I think.
Oh and Meta has already said he's Voss
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I've added extra flair to reading these MetaVoss' topics by cueing up the Beatles "I'm a Looser" song.
Try it. It fits :)
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
I gues by your reasoning if Voss had bilked a bunch of senior citizens out of their retirement, as long he was your mate he would be cool.
Not only is that the truth, but they actually ridicule those that were scammed, and went as far as blaming those scammed by Voss! Calling them gullable 'Suckers'. If I didn't know better I would think they actually admire and look up to Voss for perpetrating the scheme, a kind of really sad and pathetic hero worship. What does that say about them as people? Hmmmmm :eek:
Zazen
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Hammy
Still I was the Sqaud CO, I would kick you both out for your sadly embarrassing posts.
He should at least take away their BBS posting Privileges - they are starting to look silly.
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Not half as silly as u lot raking this stupid subject every 6 months :rolleyes:
why take away my right to freedom of speech?
COZ THATS THE AMERICAN WAY Golly-geeIT!
bollox to you all, i will say what i want, when i want, if u dont agree with what i have to say then fair enuff , thats your prerorgative, thats why the world is such a complicated place, because not everyone agrees with some stoopid yanks and their grudge holding pent up frustrations.
like i said GET A LIFE!
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
WilldCrd
How about the kid from different strokes? That would be perfect casting.
hmm good idea I had fergot about that looser. Kinda fits
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Just read this on another boards (Checksix) ...
"There is more support for him now on our squad board and that thread than there was before... (Ripsnort)"
That says more about the "character" of several more than anything else.
As for TAS "PR" lol. Vos lies know no bounds. Here is a couple of chunks (as in blowing..) of his "PR" to Combatsim.com,
1997 will be THE year of the flight simulation, and the Internet is one
of the main vehicles that will make this true. There are TWO incredible
pieces of simulation in the works for all those WB and AW fans, and for
others who have avoided that particular pursuit because "suspension of
disbelief" in the form of great graphics had not yet arrived. TAS is one,
and Confirmed Kill by Eidos International will be the other....
Pro-Line Software is preparing to introduce its first multi-player air
sim for the internet: Tactical Aero Squadron. The ßeta version of their
Battle of Britain module will be available for download soon. Tactical
Aero Squadron will encompass the entire European Theater of Operations
from the B.O.B. to Berlin - 1945. They has photo-realism and flight so
real you'll puke!
Pro-Line is headed by Paul "Voss" Hinds. Paul is a former USAF F16 Viper
pilot who also happens to own and fly his own P-51 Mustang! It also
happens that he has flown a Spitfire and the only flying Me-109 in the
world.
Ah-hem! Yes, you got that right, there is NO ONE better qualified to
develop a new internet based multi-player WWII Battle of Britian
scenario. It also helps that since his stint in the USAF, Paul has
acquired a couple of PhDs...
Pro Line is based in Austin, Texas. Paul "Voss" Hinds is the main
programmer for TAS and the driving force behind the project (along with
co-developer Michael "Amok" Hobuss). Paul and Michael seem determined to
put together the ultimate WarBirds and Air Warrior killer, and they are
well poised to succeed! They intend to feature the entire European W.W.II
conflict, from the Battle of Britain to Berlin '45.
As you will see by the screen shots, photo-realism is close to the
truth! According to Pro-Line, there will be an intense and target rich
environment, including trains to shoot at, German rockets to deal with,
and fields being captured. Other features include the most realistic
flight models yet, voice communications (hardware dependent), editable
artwork for Aces, and gun cameras with editable viewpoints. There's more,
but some features remain under wraps til the release.
TAS will evolve from the BOB into TAS - FEW, meaning "Full European
War," which will require MULTIPLE CD-ROMs and which only registered users
will acquire. TAS- FEW will cover an enormous area, comprising all of
Europe and North Africa. Pro-Line will allow hundreds of players into
this huge world, with a greater variety of aircraft than either Warbirds,
AW or CK.
Eventually Pro Line will offer BOB as a limited ten thousand sq. mile
arena, giving W.W.II fans a chance to get into the world of TAS, but BOB
will then be available as freeware. At this point entry into the TAS
arena will be on a fee basis.
TAS will achieve a number of firsts in its foray into simming.
Simultaneous voice ability will be present, as well as text macros for
sending messages. The realism of the cockpit environment, with the pilot
needing to pay attention to carb heat, fuel mixtures, etc. will also be
unprecedented. Allied radar will be modelled. Attention to detail in the
dynamic environment will include the need to fly recon patrols, effect of
fog on radar, modelling of ground damage with realistic repair and
replacement times, and other details that remain secret.
In AW and WB The "revolving credit" of continual life renewal has its
disadvantages. Ever kill enemy planes one by one, only to have a constant
wave of the same pilots engage you until finally succumbing? TAS will
change that by virtue of a "death penalty." Fail to bring your body back
(death or capture), and pilots will be flying a cargo plane or rear
escort duty for a day until being "restored". The penalties are not final
as yet and like the entire project will evolve through the testing phase.
Any personal aircraft adornment will also have to be earned after death.
As for hardware requirements, the engine is optimized to allow a fast
486 to join the fray, though not at high resolutions. 3d hardware will
also be supported, allowing high resolutions with high color depth AND
fast frame rates.
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look up..........another sucker! :rofl
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Originally posted by Hammy
look up..........another sucker! :rofl
Might wanna look in the mirror there dude
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AND ANOTHER SUCKER!!!! this BB is fulla them :rofl
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Originally posted by Hammy
Not half as silly as u lot raking this stupid subject every 6 months :rolleyes:
why take away my right to freedom of speech?
COZ THATS THE AMERICAN WAY Golly-geeIT!
bollox to you all, i will say what i want, when i want, if u dont agree with what i have to say then fair enuff , thats your prerorgative, thats why the world is such a complicated place, because not everyone agrees with some stoopid yanks and their grudge holding pent up frustrations.
like i said GET A LIFE!
Hammy, you celebrate your right to freedom of speech, calling it 'The American Way' (your not even an American) then you proceed to call us 'Stupid Yanks'. You do see how messed up that is, don't you? :rofl
By the way, HTC isn't a democracy, this board is not bound by the Constitution of the United States. This is a privately owned piece of corporate property. Our use of this board is at the sole discretion of HTC. So, actually, you don't have a 'right' to anything here.
Zazen
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Who's the sucker? The people that do research into a internet scam artist so as not to fall prey to his cons OR the person that defends him with no basis in truth or any info and resorts to childish insults?
Ofcourse if your a child ....then it makes perfect sense why you defend your "fiend"
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i was referring to you taking "AWAY" my right to free speech as being the "AMERICAN WAY" but then again, i know its a little complicated for you to comprehend being of inadequate intelligence SUCKER!
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1998 Combatsim.com Interview with Paul "Voss" Hinds:
Some months ago we were all aglow at news that Pro Line Software was about to release Tactical Aero Squadron into beta.Why aglow? The WWII prop sim market need a new injection of realism and energy, and Pro Line and TAS looked set to deliver.
First, the graphics engine that was producing the screen shots kept us awake nights... Second, the level of avionics realism looked to be an entirely new standard, necessitating such niceties as prop pitch settings where appropriate and fuel mixture settings.
Finally, the multi play aspect looked solid, and the aircraft and geography modelled (Battle of Britain) needed revisiting. Flight models were said to be state of the art, and players could even letter their own aircraft. We are all more than ready to start testing!
But then Paul Hinds developed some a medical condition. And there was confusion regarding his association with the USAF. Recently Paul consented to this interview.
Csim: Paul, maybe you could bring us up to speed with some history. Where has TAS been the past few months and where is it at now?
Paul: When I commited to my hiatus I put the development team onto another aspect of the game (other then flight). We had most of the graphics done, but had an execution error that was driving the team crazy. As it turned out it was pretty easy to track down,but I had the only source code for the suspect module. It had not caused any errors previously, but cropped up as newer modules were added. This kept us from distributing the beta version, until I tracked it down ( July 30 ). About this time I learned about the dissolution of my business partnership. I was disgusted, and early scrapped the whole thing, but soon came to my senses.
Csim: How soon will a beta take to the virtual airwaves?
Paul: I have to iron things out with Pro-Line's home office, and get the ground war going. The first thing you will probably see is the ground war package (perhaps before Christmas). I forced a ton of mods to the game, which is slowing things down severely. That shouldn't be a big surprise, though, as we have made no secret that this thing is developed during freetime and by students, etc.
Csim: Can you explain the controversy surrounding your own history and fill us in with the facts?
Paul: The controversy was in response to mis-quotes, hearsay, and such. Facts? No comment. I'll let the sim do my talking for me.
Csim: What are the ongoing challenges in the development of this sim?
Paul: Getting 1000+ users into a single game, without bugs is going to be a big accomplishment. Even that pales in significance to creating several historically correct cities in true 3D. Why I want to do that should be obvious. Research is a big pain too. No one has good information on exactly what fields looked like, what cities were like, etc., so much of what we have is a "best guess" kind of thing.
Csim: What were your design goals for TAS? Do you feel you are meeting those goals?
Paul: MY design goals were to totally immerse a user into a live action war, with a completely accurate aircraft base (including ALL characteristics of specific aircraft). The strategic ideas were tossed into the ring later. The strategy thing though, will be difficult to implement with fliers alone,...thus the ground stuff.
Csim: Will there be training missions in TAS? How are these handled?
Paul: I designed an artificial "Ride Along Instructor" for the AT-6 and Gloster Gladiator. You can go for rides with them until you feel comfortable with the airplanes, and then move into "Fighter Familiarization" which is a big enough leap. Both areas allow you to watch the flight hands off (with a pop-up control input window to watch your instructors inputs). This will teach you the rudimentary motions of flight, which is about all the war trainees received. There are a few other options, like banner targets, etc.
Csim: I understand there are some significant innovations in the graphics engine for TAS, and judging from the screens, I believe it!Can you tell us what they are?
Paul: I went to great lengths to improve upon aspects I, naturally,can't discuss. If you like the screenshots you may want to spend a few bucks on a great graphics card. I can't comment on which cards work best, but I haven't seen any real disasters. The normal S3 cards, SVGA, etc., will dissappoint you, but you can fly the lower resolutions until you're ready for change. The flight model does not suffer from choice of board, but identifying planes, well,... you get the idea.
If you've played games at 320x200x16colors you will like the 320x200x256 version, but it can't touch the Glide version at 640x480x32k colors.
I have to say, too, that without guys like D.J. DeLories, and the creator of Allegro graphics library, none of this would have ever happened. iD's release of previous code really helped to spark my imagination as well.
Csim: What kind of 3d hardware support will be in place? Is TAS a WIN95 product? What resolutions will the engine support?
Paul: So far, OpenGL and Direct3D specifically. I really like the GLide package. It's not difficult to comprehend. I have a 3DFX card myself. I play at 640x480x32k with 8 bit textures and get 30.2 fps with 500 drones in the air. Unfortunately, I expect 60 users to cause a local frame rate slowdown when in visual range of one another. This will improve though.
The largest game I have kicked off had 32users on an ISDN connection (no lag, or at least minimal). On that setup we had a 400 Lancaster AI flight escorted by 32 user Hurricanes engaging 132 german fighters under heavy flak. My frame rate slowed to 19fps in the heat of battle. How often that happens online is up to users. This was a massive engagement that is really unprecedented at this stage. Our code improves everyday too.
Csim: Physics modelling has achieved new dimensions in this past year in A10 Cuba and in Janes Longbow. Tell us about the physics modelling in TAS. What will we see in terms of damage models, weapons models, wind models etc.
Paul: I modelled the complete effect of all forces onto an airframe. I modelled the realistic energy of all projectiles at all ranges. I modelled turbulence around wing tips (vortices). All of this was easier to implement than I originally thought. Much easier. In fact, I plan on going back and tuning the turbulence to consider the entire airframe, versus wingtips. I originally wanted to use this as an anti-V-rocket effect, but close combat would benefit from it as well.
Csim: How integral will the ground war be to TAS? How does the AI pull the air war and ground war together?
Paul: Here's a real surprise for you. I plan on creating a game that may well attract tens-of-thousands of users just in the ground war! We may not need AI here at all, but I have implemented it. I'm keeping most of this under wraps, but you will see this aspect of my game before even the flight sim. Once all of Europe has been modelled (cities too), I will release a flight sim plug-in that will bring it all together.
My first release will be a package code named "Out on Bail." The scenario is that of a pilot who has bailed on the east side of Amsterdam, who must make it to the west of the city to escape (with help). The idea is to fit the part of a downed pilot. This is, in my opinion, becoming one of the best aspects of the game.
(cont)
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Originally posted by Hammy
I said Meta was my mate, No proof that Meta is Voss, so until then......................... ............................. ............................. ............................. ............................. ............................. ............................. ...SUCKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wow talk about denial.
but we all see what we want to see and rationalize what dosn't jive with our beliefs. yes indeed we do.
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Csim: What aircraft are being modelled for TAS? Are there others you would like to add?
Paul: If you can name a plane it will eventually make it into the game. So far, I have Hampton, Halifax, Fairey Battle, Gloster Gladiator, Spit I, Spit II, Hurricane II, Mosquito, Lancaster, Buffalo, Hawk, P-40, C-47, ME109E3, ME109E4, FW-A3, JU-52, JU-87, JU-88, ME-110, HE-111, Do-17, and even the Dewoitine.
Csim: How detailed are the flight models for TAS? I understand there may even have been new information available in developing the models?
Paul: Not the models specifically, the new innovations are in how I did the positional calculations, and how I tested my data. The positional calc's involve the game engine itself, which I won't go into. If, after the game is released, someone has a doubt as to the accuracy of the flight model, I welcome them to fly any like type and prove the dispute. I know that no other sim is using the same approach. Close perhaps, but no cigar.
Csim: Will there be resource management in the BoB?
Paul: The BoB is a dead release. The final flight sim will start on day one of the war and move on from there. This sim will include all of the world (now), but the Asian conflict will be developed later. Is there resource management? You bet! As research bears out my figures, we will have a very realistic environment in which to engage in conflict. I can't wait to see what curves users will throw at us, or how accurately history is borne out.
I have removed the B-29 in Europe, and done away with the A-bomb. It may return someday, but for now it's gone.
Csim: What happens when a player is "killed?"
Paul: Unless, a user bails from his plane before dying (in a virtual sense of course), he will stay with his plane all the way down. If it is trimmed for straight-and-level, well he's free issue a "killme." There is a short period in which the "dead" pilot cannot relaunch, he won't be able to relaunch close to the fight he died in, and he will first get to review his killers' stats.
Csim: Can you tell us about the general layout of the campaign, structure of the squadrons, etc.
Paul: The German forces have got the Allies outnumbered 3:1, or worse. From day one the German forces are free to move as theywill, so asset acquisition could change all that.
I have the squadrons set up as reconfigurable by users. I won't be allowing more then 24 members to a squad, though. Each base will have a limit of 32 sorties per hour.
Csim: Will TAS have an off line single player component?
Paul: Absolutely essential.
Csim: How much control will a wing leader have of his flight in single player mode? Will there be radio comms?
Paul: There are a total of 64 issuable commands for drones, or live humans. You can use default commands, or record audible commands/responses of your own. Yes, radio comms can be "live", or macro driven.
Csim: I recall a rumor about voice comms in multiplayer. Is this in place?
Paul: Yes, voice comms have been in the game from the beginning.
Csim: How will views be modelled? Will there be a virtual cockpit?
Paul: You can select the standard keypad views, use smooth scrolling (by coolie hat), or select a target and track via virtual view. You can never exceed a normal pilots view range, though.
Csim: I understand that radar will be modelled as the campaign progresses historically. How will this affect game play?
Paul: This is really a tool to help find a fight, more then a tool of war. I implemented radar as it was used historically, including the jamming tactics available to both sides.
Csim: How will "the fog of war" come into play in TAS? Will recon patrols affect mission planning?
Paul: Recon missions are essential to good planning. This is a very important part of the game, and the boys at "PR" will probably be considered among the elite. Those that can do it well that is (ie survive).
Csim: What specific hardware will be supported? Will there be support for force feedback? The Forte VFX1? Surround sound?
Paul: So far FFX, and Surround Sound. I amusing them a little differently than I have seen them used before.
Csim: What is the coolest feature in TAS?
Paul: I like the accuracy of the visual effects encountered in flight. 3D cards really help to enhance this effect. The effects of G forces on pilots comes across well, as does the visual enhancement of altitude (something EVERY other sim has missed). The completeness of cockpit details adds to it all too. Users will probably like the ability to edit the ENTIRE skin of their plane, but I hope they stick to insignia and squadron markings only. I would hate to lock out undesireable mods.
Csim: What sims do you play regularly yourself, and why?
Paul: Quake. Okay, maybe it's not a sim by your regular definition, but there isn't a better "rush" out there. I have an entire Gig dedicated to Quake.
I have been playing Fighter Duel for over a year now. It is, hands down, the best replication of flight going. Unfortunately, it doesn't have as large a following as I would like. All of my friends are over on WB, which I contend teaches bad habits. WB does have a significant following and is a wise choice for learning (after mastering AW), but...
Csim: Thanks Paul, and best of luck with TAS!
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wildcard like i said before and will everytime someone keeps this thread going by attacking Hornets........... SUCKERS!
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FESTER = BIG SUCKER!!!!!
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Originally posted by Hammy
i was referring to you taking "AWAY" my right to free speech as being the "AMERICAN WAY" but then again, i know its a little complicated for you to comprehend being of inadequate intelligence SUCKER!
Maybe, if your writing (I use that term *very* loosely) wasn't just one big run-on sentence you wouldn't be so 'misunderstood' by people. ;)
Zazen
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He's just doing his part for voss/meta to get this thread and others closed. What a nice puppet you are LOL
puppet not to be misconstrued with the MUPPETS
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Originally posted by Hammy
wildcard like i said before and will everytime someone keeps this thread going by attacking Hornets........... SUCKERS!
I have not IN ANY thread attacked the hornets so dont include me in that
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No one is attacking the Hornets but you Hammy.
You really are making them look bad by how you are acting.
no one is going to take away your free speach, hell I am all for it.
You are doing a fine job of making yourself look like a fool.
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LMAO,
ok ok ok...here we go
PEOPLE of the AH VOSS scandal
Ive got some ocean front property I wanna sell, promise you no Hurricanes! no Storms, guaranteed to get u some!
All you need to do is send me a check or money order for the amount of $10,000 and I will send you a reciept. Then you can come claim your land.
Seriously great fishing! GREAT surfing...... GOING CHEAP< MUST SELL NOW....
just because you send the money, does that make you? what? A freakin idiot for not spending $200 to fly and check someone out on a project?
I dont know a project manager that buys anything online, or by word of mouth. Try getting a Purchase order on that, and I show you a company out of business in a year!
just because some people bought into something with a woody, u point the finger at someone else....BETTER yet, did VOSS or whomever your blame pal of the moment is......hold your hand when you wrote that check? dont be POed because you got played....women, smart ones, do it to men all the time....
YOU GOT PLAYED!!! SO TAKE A SHOWER!!!!:aok
LEAVE META ALONE!!! HE's JUST A BOY!!!!!!
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AND CAN YOU BLAME ME?
you want me to just sit and let you slag off my squad mates and not respond??? You`d like that wouldnt you being as you like puppets .
Listen, lets get one thing straight here...........
If Voss did what you guys say he did, then fair enuff he was sorted out many many moons ago. Personally, he did me no harm so I pass judgement on how someone treats me not how somone says they were treated by said person.
Unlike some on this board, I have my own mind and make my own decisions based on what I "perceive" when I talk to someone and Metatron is a fair and square bloke to be, and no, I havent given him money, nor has he asked me to, so therefore, excuse me for not "feeling" your pain eh?
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lol. What a bunch of tools.
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LEAVE META ALONE!!! HE's JUST A BOY!!!!!!
he is? then why in another thread did he admit to being Voss? Iv'e faught right along side the Hornets on many occasions and with Meta especially and on vox he sounds old enough to NOT be considered a "boy" unless he either has a deep voice or his Dad is playing under his handle.
Just an observation here not an attack
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I play golf with O.J. on a regular basis and he's not a bad player. He's also extremely witty and he truly is looking for the killers. He hasn't asked me to help look or to help finance the search yet. He and my sister get along great. We all had a blast at his knife sharpening party the other night. He said he may get to do a sequel of his Navy Seal role.
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westy u suckered too? SUCKAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I gotta check your roster. PT Barnum and Kenjr have got to be on that list.
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lol this is soooooooooooo funny how tetchy you guys are heheheheheheheheheehehehe
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Originally posted by MwXX
LMAO,
ok ok ok...here we go
PEOPLE of the AH VOSS scandal
Ive got some ocean front property I wanna sell, promise you no Hurricanes! no Storms, guaranteed to get u some!
All you need to do is send me a check or money order for the amount of $10,000 and I will send you a reciept. Then you can come claim your land.
Seriously great fishing! GREAT surfing...... GOING CHEAP< MUST SELL NOW....
just because you send the money, does that make you? what? A freakin idiot for not spending $200 to fly and check someone out on a project?
I dont know a project manager that buys anything online, or by word of mouth. Try getting a Purchase order on that, and I show you a company out of business in a year!
just because some people bought into something with a woody, u point the finger at someone else....BETTER yet, did VOSS or whomever your blame pal of the moment is......hold your hand when you wrote that check? dont be POed because you got played....women, smart ones, do it to men all the time....
YOU GOT PLAYED!!! SO TAKE A SHOWER!!!!:aok
LEAVE META ALONE!!! HE's JUST A BOY!!!!!!
You can try and rationalize this until the end of time, but it won't fly. Any kind of rationalization that removes blame from the 'Scammer' and places it on the "Scamee" is deeply flawed in principle. Voss went out of his way to construct an elaborate web of lies and deceit with the intent to screw people out of money. Somehow saying those that believed his web of lies and did send him money are at fault is proposterous.
Zazen
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way i see it, and in all honesty i agree, what he did was bad "IF ITS TRUE" but, you shoulda checked the credentials "before" sending money eh?
Makes sense to me somehow does that statement, but then again I'm English so mebbe not so clear to you guys.
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Originally posted by Hammy
way i see it, and in all honesty i agree, what he did was bad "IF ITS TRUE" but, you shoulda checked the credentials "before" sending money eh?
Makes sense to me somehow does that statement, but then again I'm English so mebbe not so clear to you guys.
Dunno .... ran it through the translator and this is the best it could do:
"It's not so bad because I fink 'e's cool and 'e 'asn't scammed me yet and if 'e scammed yer then yor stewpid and not as cool as 'e is because 'e's right reallt cool and makes a bit of points for the bloody squad and I'm English and I make more sense."
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Originally posted by Arlo
Dunno .... ran it through the translator and this is the best it could do:
"It's not so bad because I fink 'e's cool and 'e 'asn't scammed me yet and if 'e scammed yer then yor stewpid and not as cool as 'e is because 'e's right reallt cool and makes a bit of points for the bloody squad and I'm English and I make more sense."
Roflmfao! Arlo!
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
You can try and rationalize this until the end of time, but it won't fly. Any kind of rationalization that removes blame from the 'Scammer' and places it on the "Scamee" is deeply flawed in principle. Voss went out of his way to construct an elaborate web of lies and deceit with the intent to screw people out of money. Somehow saying those that believed his web of lies and did send him money are at fault is proposterous.
Zazen
Ok Mr. ZAZEN,
Cup half full? or half empty?
First of all, noone is relieving "blame" for the scammer, but making aware stupidity of an individual who is financially irresponsible. Scammer always have things coming to them 10 Fold. But I sleep well at night, and its not my problem to worry about it. But people complaining about money is my point. Unless your doing "anything" about getting scammed, crying about it wont get you your money back, nor will complaining about someone elses problems on the net.
See the point? simple Z
I wont argue someone elses problems, but I sure in the heck will laugh at you all freakin day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ya need JESUS SON!
lol, my 2 cents...just getting a rise Z, and u can see, bait is taken!
Ahhhhh, removing notification on this one, 3mins for someone to complain....GOTTA LOVE IT!
anyhow, IM OUT on this one! enjoy waiting for all the replies people!!
Funny thing about all this...look at all the people VOSS has effected? man, he got in all of your heads....
if you ask me .."THE BOYS GOOD"!!!!!
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Originally posted by Voss
You first! :D
Why don't you line up all the pissed off turds in a quad sized wrestling ring, and I'll have at you all twenty at a time? Everytime a man hits the mat he kills himself on the spot. Put your life where your sleazy mouth is. You Flying Pigs never had much of a cooth to you, the whole lot. Fug off you degenerate mealy mouthed wussy.
We can sell tickets to the above event at $14.95 a ticket, and donate it to the widows of all the wannabe rock stars on this BBS.
LOL...
As always, your ego is running wild.
Not content, with simply insulting me back (which I'll get back to in a second), you make a weak slam on the Pigs? Guess those scars Robey left on your lilly-white bellybutton must still hurt. Still smarting that you were exposed as a fraud by a better man than you'll ever be?
BTW, the Pigs are stirring, returning to AH2. Beware. Some very old names are returning to the game. Of all the Pigs, I was certainly the *least*. Fear them.
Now lets return return to your petty name calling.
Degenerate? Perhaps. I am what I am.
Mealy mouthed (sic)? Haha, that's a new one. I guess when you leave for a while people forget. No matter, I am a kinder, gentler Smut these days. I still know a scumbag when I see one, and would be you.
Wussy? Well unlike your made up record, I'm pretty proud of what I've done in life to this point. I've served my country in uniform, and continue to serve as a civilian. In fact you must really hate me, because you wish you *were* me - I actually served, I actually helped create combat flight sims, and I actually have friends. I am the opposite of your lies.
You have no honor and no shame. Some think you are actually mentally ill, and in many ways beating up on you really isn't much of a challenge - I'm not in this for the flaming. I want people to *know* you have no honor.
You're doing a pretty good job of proving that yourself, as usual.
I gave you some solid advice at the start of this thread. Try to follow it this time.
-Smut
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Originally posted by MwXX
Funny thing about all this...look at all the people VOSS has effected? man, he got in all of your heads....
if you ask me .."THE BOYS GOOD"!!!!!
Another Hornet who admires, respects, and hero worships Voss for defrauding people in our community. Really disgusting...I guess it's only a matter of time before the Voss hero worshipers perpetrate 'copy cat' crimes of their own out of sheer admiration for Voss. It's beginning to look like the Hornets may actually be a front for an internet scam artist training camp lead by Voss.
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Hammy shut up...you got a big mouth
I tell Hammy that everyday on channel but all he says is 'go fug yourself slo'
Zazen still no proof of money being sent to anyone.....SHOW ME THE MONEY.
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the irony of this is that in spite of all this information oon voss and how it will keep him from conning anyone again... he is already in the midst of his own miniature con on his own squad. you see VOSS likes to be trusted. and once he is trusted his imagination feels free to alter reality and fact and distort it and confuse it to his liking. lies deceit and misdirection are his tool sof choice. and sadly right now he is at it again. hammy is already his first victim. Voss will never tell hammy to stop. to voss hammy is expendable. he is a distraction from the truth and this as we certainly should be aware by now is what voss is all about.
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Originally posted by Citabria
the irony of this is that in spite of all this information oon voss and how it will keep him from conning anyone again... he is already in the midst of his own miniature con on his own squad. you see VOSS likes to be trusted. and once he is trusted his imagination feels free to alter reality and fact and distort it and confuse it to his liking. lies deceit and misdirection are his tool sof choice. and sadly right now he is at it again.
At what point can we start calling them SUCKERS! ?:rofl
Zazen
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SLO FUG OFF!!!! :lol
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Originally posted by Zazen13
At what point can we start calling them SUCKERS! ?:rofl
Zazen
right about.........NOW! :rofl
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vOSS doesnt tell me what to do, Im standing up for the Hornets and Metatron happens to be a hornet so yes im sticking up for him aswell.
If you dont like it, stop posting lol
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Originally posted by Hammy
vOSS doesnt tell me what to do, Im standing up for the Hornets and Metatron happens to be a hornet so yes im sticking up for him aswell.
If you dont like it, stop posting lol
so you now admit that yes metatron is Voss!?
The truth will set you free
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We have before us an ordeal of the most grievous kind. We have before us many, many long months of struggle and of suffering. You ask, What is our policy? I will say; "It is to defend Voss, by sea, land and air, with all our might and with all the strength that God can give us: to wage war against a monstrous tyranny, never surpassed in the dark lamentable catalogue of human crime. That is our policy." You ask, What is our aim? I can answer with one word: Voss - Voss at all costs, Voss in spite of all terror, Voss however long and hard the road may be; for without Voss there is no survival."
...We shall not flag nor fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall defend his pettiness and lack of moral fibre on the seas and oceans; we shall defend his previous and unrepentant acts with growing confidence and growing strength in the air. We shall defend Voss whatever the cost may be; we shall fight on beaches, landing grounds, in fields, in streets and on the hills. We shall never surrender and even if, which I do not for the moment believe, our squadron were subjugated and starving, then our members beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the inbred knowledge that "if he can get away with it - then the boy is good", will carry on the struggle until in Voss's good time the New World with all its power and might, sets forth to the liberation and rescue of the Old."
Upon this battle depends the survival of Voss's reputation. Upon it depends our own reputation and the long continuity of our institutions and our squadron. The whole fury and might of the enemy must very soon be turned on us now. Critics of Voss know that they will have to break us in this stand or lose the war. If we can stand up to them, all online simdom may be free and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But if we fail, then the whole world, including Aces High, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age, made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science. Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that, if the mighty Hornets and its good reputation last for a thousand years, men will say, "This was their finest hour."
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Fester just because you are a delusional young man doesn't mean we have to follow your lead....
you have posted your opinion many....many...many times.
and yet still no proof of money being EXCHANGED....or anyone coming in here and PROVING he sent VOSS or anyone else money....
all we see is a bunch of dumbprettythang people saying alot of nothing.....
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Originally posted by SLO
and yet still no proof of money being EXCHANGED....or anyone coming in here and PROVING he sent VOSS or anyone else money....
all we see is a bunch of dumbprettythang people saying alot of nothing.....
Read the other thread, there's several people posting there who sent money and have posted to that effect.
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Originally posted by MetaTron
With his growing popularity a very unsure thing, Fester has decided to return to the MA. His system has been repaired by little ninjas that spontaneously sprang from black helicopters above the grassy... Well, you get the idea.
Welcome back Fester!
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/178_1089822379_mmoore.jpg)
I'm guessing this is a joke.. but I'm not getting it. Ninjas and helicopters are sometimes funny, but I think you missed the target with this one.
Originally posted by Hammy
like i said before, i couldnt give 2 flying ****es what you guys think, "Metatron" is my mate and squaddie, and i hope he remains to be for a long time to come
I'm racking my brain here trying to think of which curse word can be spelled with "****es". All the ones I think of just end in "s".
I will say that I have lost some respect for the hornets on this thread. I never saw the original thread but basically this is just an attack on Fester by Metatron backed up by the rest of the hornets who haven't figured out yet that they are the only ones driving the thread. Seriously, if you guys (especially Hammy) quit posting here, the thread will die, even looks like Metatron figured this one out.
However, bravo to Fester, Zazen, Arlo, and Wldthing for the funny responses Made me laugh for quite a while.
P.S. could someone post a link to the original thread, I fear I missed it. Thanks.
--Mike/Howitzer
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Originally posted by Howitzer
However, bravo to Fester, Zazen, Arlo, and Wldthing for the funny responses Made me laugh for quite a while.
--Mike/Howitzer
Thanks Howitzer! Discussing serious issues while entertaining at the same time is fun. :D
Zazen
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I'm waiting for Hammy and SLO to pull out the Chewbacca Defense any minute now.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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How could a 7 foot tall wookie live on a planet with 3 foot tall ewoks? If Chewbacca is from Endor, you must acquit. YOU MUST ACQUIT!
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Man I love that episode!
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I'm waiting for Hammy and SLO to pull out the Chewbacca Defense any minute now.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Hahahaha Todd!
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By Gawd Margaret, I`m a votin for this Arlo guy come election time.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
[BThis scam lasted a long time, and was fed with screen shots that looked magnificent, but which were in fact only artwork, and the delays were blamed on all manner of incredible circumstances, a scorpion bite, brain tumour, even some mention of special missions with the CIA.
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tumor
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Follow the money.
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For those who lost track of the main thread. Here it is for your viewing pleasure!
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=123551
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Originally posted by Hammy
vOSS doesnt tell me what to do, Im standing up for the Hornets and Metatron happens to be a hornet so yes im sticking up for him aswell.
If you dont like it, stop posting lol
You're a joke. :)
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And here ladies and gents, we have an official example of the AH two sided gangbang.
To gang or not to bang... that is the qwerstion.
Now... everyone take a prozac and have a nice night!
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Originally posted by Voss
You first! :D
Why don't you line up all the pissed off turds in a quad sized wrestling ring, and I'll have at you all twenty at a time? Everytime a man hits the mat he kills himself on the spot. Put your life where your sleazy mouth is. You Flying Pigs never had much of a cooth to you, the whole lot. Fug off you degenerate mealy mouthed wussy.
We can sell tickets to the above event at $14.95 a ticket, and donate it to the widows of all the wannabe rock stars on this BBS.
Dont take the offer smut. Ill bet voss picked up some wicked unarmed combat skills when he was going through his training at the cia. Dont even get him started on all the black belts he holds.
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Why haven't other Hornets posted?
It looks like Rip has gotten silent and now only Slo and Hammy (like I could take either of these two seriously) are defend their squadmate MetaVoss.
Where are the other esteemed members of the Hornets to defend their 'wrongfully accussed' squad mate?
P.S. Hammy, you are just stupid with your 'SUCKER' monologue. And Slo just tries to aggravate people but still only provides banal tripe.
Enjoy!
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Originally posted by Drunky
Why haven't other Hornets posted?
It looks like Rip has gotten silent and now only Slo and Hammy (like I could take either of these two seriously) are defend their squadmate MetaVoss.
Where are the other esteemed members of the Hornets to defend their 'wrongfully accussed' squad mate?
P.S. Hammy, you are just stupid with your 'SUCKER' monologue. And Slo just tries to aggravate people but still only provides banal tripe.
Enjoy!
The smart ones are keeping the hell out of the line of fire! I can respect that. :aok
Zazen
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Originally posted by Howitzer
However, bravo to Fester, Zazen, Arlo, and Wldthing for the funny responses Made me laugh for quite a while.
P.S. could someone post a link to the original thread, I fear I missed it. Thanks.
--Mike/Howitzer
Its WILDCRD!!! Wildthing is another guy!
moves down the bar grumbling
original thread (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=123551)
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Originally posted by MwXX
LMAO,
ok ok ok...here we go
PEOPLE of the AH VOSS scandal
Ive got some ocean front property I wanna sell, promise you no Hurricanes! no Storms, guaranteed to get u some!
All you need to do is send me a check or money order for the amount of $10,000 and I will send you a reciept. Then you can come claim your land.
Seriously great fishing! GREAT surfing...... GOING CHEAP< MUST SELL NOW....
just because you send the money, does that make you? what? A freakin idiot for not spending $200 to fly and check someone out on a project?
I dont know a project manager that buys anything online, or by word of mouth. Try getting a Purchase order on that, and I show you a company out of business in a year!
just because some people bought into something with a woody, u point the finger at someone else....BETTER yet, did VOSS or whomever your blame pal of the moment is......hold your hand when you wrote that check? dont be POed because you got played....women, smart ones, do it to men all the time....
YOU GOT PLAYED!!! SO TAKE A SHOWER!!!!:aok
LEAVE META ALONE!!! HE's JUST A BOY!!!!!!
from another thread
Originally posted by MetaTron
45 YO
Married
1 Son OTW and praying for more
Terrorist and damn proud of it.
Just to keep your facts straight
Terrorist and damn proud of it
Not the smartest thing to say in a public forum inlight of current events
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Wildcrd
" 45 YO
Married
1 Son OTW and praying for more
Terrorist and damn proud of it. "
What thread was that from?
Is he saying he wants terrorist to attack us??
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Wildcrd
" 45 YO
Married
1 Son OTW and praying for more
Terrorist and damn proud of it. "
What thread was that from?
Is he saying he wants terrorist to attack us??
this one
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=123757
No I think he's saying he IS a terrorist
and hey edit your post a little bit it looks like I'm saying that stuff and I'm not
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Thanks for the link.
That is pretty tasteless, this guy is an emberasment, I predict he is gone along with some others when Skuzzy gets in, in the morning.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Thanks for the link.
That is pretty tasteless, this guy is an emberasment, I predict he is gone along with some others when Skuzzy gets in, in the morning.
Im thinking HTC is letting all this run fer a bit to get it out of alot of peoples systems
Then again Hitech could come in at 8amish and hande skuzzmiester a list to be skuzzified
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I am betting Voss/meta, and fester are out of here for sure, and maybe hammy and zaz...
though I could see all of us get probation.
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HEHE you might be right. I got half a mind to drive over there this morning just hear the conversation about all this. Im off duty the rest of the week soooo I might just do that
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Hornets
:rolleyes:
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LOL that would be a funny conversation if Skuzzy didnt know about these threads.
Wild "Hi, guys I came to watch what you do about the flame war Fester and Voss started"
Skuz"Voss???VOSS, that scumbag is back!! Holly cow, what do you mean there is a 800 post thread on Voss??"
Wild"oh yeah, it was the fastest growning thread since the stripper one, plus voss started like 3 flame thread in general as well"
<> "jeez cant I leave you guys without a sitter for like 6 hours?!, Though I guess a flame fest with the insane asylum escape voss is no suprise."
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Originally posted by Drunky
Why haven't other Hornets posted?
Where are the other esteemed members of the Hornets to defend their 'wrongfully accussed' squad mate?
Enjoy!
He lost me when he accused HiTech of stealing code/ideas from him.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
He lost me when he accused HiTech of stealing code/ideas from him.
understandable
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By the way, HTC isn't a democracy, this board is not bound by the Constitution of the United States. This is a privately owned piece of corporate property. Our use of this board is at the sole discretion of HTC. So, actually, you don't have a 'right' to anything here.
Therefore, if you are allowed to flame then so am I.......SUCKERS!!!
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"Why haven't other Hornets posted?"
I imagine the shame and embarassment SLO, Hammy and a few others have brought upon thier whole squad has done enough.
I salute them for not looking as ignorant and low brow as thier tourettes afflicted comrades SLO, Hammy, MwXX, et al have been.
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Time to post again :)
To me Meta is old enough to defend himself if needed.
Considering the history if you attack Meta its his problem not mine.
If you specifically attack me or the Hornets squad then i shall consider a response, but only after running it through a bait detector.
I am uncomfortable with the replies posted by some of my squaddies who while trying to be clever are in my opinion refecting badly on the squad.
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Originally posted by 214thCavalier
I am uncomfortable with the replies posted by some of my squaddies who while trying to be clever are in my opinion refecting badly on the squad.
Yea It kinda sounds like there blameing the rape victim and not the rapist because he was never convicted.
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Originally posted by Smut
Voss, take your own life.
Please.
-Smut
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Let's start a Poll!!!
:rofl
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Hammy said...
you are just bitter coz u were suckered by someone more wily and cunning than you
Sounds like a confession to me.
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
Its WILDCRD!!! Wildthing is another guy!
moves down the bar grumbling
original thread (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=123551)
My fault there Wildcrd, I am familiar with both of your names, but I was a bit stressed and needing sleep yesterday when I posted and it seems I screwed them up. In any case, I apologize, and for the colorful responses and making me laugh. Hope to see you up sometime! :aok
--Mike/Howitzer
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Originally posted by Howitzer
My fault there Wildcrd, I am familiar with both of your names, but I was a bit stressed and needing sleep yesterday when I posted and it seems I screwed them up. In any case, I apologize, and for the colorful responses and making me laugh. Hope to see you up sometime! :aok
--Mike/Howitzer
LOL no problemo
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" imagine the shame and embarassment SLO, Hammy and a few others have brought upon thier whole squad has done enough.
I salute them for not looking as ignorant and low brow as thier tourettes afflicted comrades SLO, Hammy, MwXX, et al have been."
You guys kill me. IMHO it would be nice to know someone had my back...thru good an bad. You jackarses taunted the hornets...got them upset...than sit there and judge them for their so called "immoral" internet bbs responses. Who the he** are you to judge anyway? They might not come across as eloquent as yourself but I think thier heart is in the right place. A little misguided ?...maybe....YA got my vote for AH BBS supreme council sir.
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Hammy has 156 posts. I'm buying the square that says 152 of them call someone somewhere a SUCKER.
Originally posted by 214thCavalier
Time to post again :)
To me Meta is old enough to defend himself if needed.
Considering the history if you attack Meta its his problem not mine.
If you specifically attack me or the Hornets squad then i shall consider a response, but only after running it through a bait detector.
I am uncomfortable with the replies posted by some of my squaddies who while trying to be clever are in my opinion refecting badly on the squad.
I hear you Cav, and agree 100%. FWIW I "still" respect the 418th, I'm sure some of the more rational and seasoned members would be aghast at the way some of its members have acted here in this thread. I know many of their members and hold them in the highest regard, particularly Busher. Can you tell the AH community whether or not Busher even knows that Voss is in his squad? I'm thinking he does not.
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potatonets... it matters not if voss bilked anyone out of one red cent...
What matters is that the little puke is a fraud of a human being....
Now, you may not even expect to get to borrow his P51... you after all are not..... SUCKERS...... You may not care that he owns the only fokker dr1 in existence or has flown the last surviving 109 or that he was a cia opperative that flew f16's in the gulf and shot down two planes or that .... while on his deathbed from brain cancer (this seems very likely)... he had warbirds fly in from every corner of the earth... the greatest pillots ever were moved to tears seeing voss's 5'2" form laid out in his prime... they even polished his P51 for him just in case he made it!
maybe, unlike the SUCKERS at combatsim... you don't believe he ever wrote a line of code and that it is ok to fake screenshots and pretend to be a programer with 3 PHD's.. you aren't SUCKERS
Maybe you don't believe every word of this...
If, like any sane person... you don't believe any of it because after all... you aren't SUCKERS.
but... That begs the question.... if you know all this how can you believe a single thing the man ever says? How can you trust anything he says? And.... if you can't...
why are you defending him much less..... hanging out with him.
I admit... I am at a complete loss on understanding this one. Is honesty less important in canada and england?
lazs