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Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: DJ111 on July 14, 2004, 09:09:25 PM

(http://www.thesupplybunker.net/pictures/weapons/m21_2.jpg)

vs.  

(http://www.thesupplybunker.net/pictures/weapons/m1d_garand_2.jpg)


Which would you choose?..

;)

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: B17Skull12 on July 14, 2004, 09:15:30 PM

can i buy a vowel?

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: DJ111 on July 14, 2004, 09:24:15 PM

(http://www.swifttechsoftware.com/uh_oh.jpg)

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: gear on July 14, 2004, 09:43:42 PM

Well...that  would depend on magazine capacity,muzzle velocity,caliber,ease of field stripping,and weight.But I think that this would be my first choice
http://www.thesupplybunker.net/pictures/weapons/m21_2.jpg
Both look like they would be a blast to fire.:aok(http://http://www.thesupplybunker.net/pictures/weapons/m21_2.jpg)

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: Rafe35 on July 14, 2004, 09:53:43 PM

(http://www.gunpartsandmilitaria.com/garsniper1.jpg)

:p

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: DJ111 on July 14, 2004, 09:57:00 PM

Run...I dare ya... (http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn56-e.htm)

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: Rafe35 on July 14, 2004, 10:07:24 PM

Pray fast, boy

(http://hl2pictures.free.fr/arctos/news/mods/resistance_liberation/m7-grenade-launchera.jpg)

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: gear on July 14, 2004, 10:08:58 PM

OOOHHHHH YAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!:D

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: DJ111 on July 14, 2004, 10:10:41 PM

Heh, a grenade on the end of a rifle... good target for...

(http://ghetto.hjsoft.com/icons/sniper.jpg)

mrblack!!!11

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: Rafe35 on July 14, 2004, 10:14:46 PM

Quote

Originally posted by DJ111
Heh, a grenade on the end of a rifle... good target for...

(http://ghetto.hjsoft.com/icons/sniper.jpg)

mrblack!!!11

lmao, that poor kitty :p

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: DJ111 on July 14, 2004, 10:20:39 PM

His back-up...

(http://communications.fullerton.edu/radio.tv.film/courses/210Fall2002/throop/owned.jpg)

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: Rafe35 on July 14, 2004, 10:30:56 PM

(http://www.bertisevil.tv/img/bazooka-bert.jpg)

Mwahhahahahhahaha :lol

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: DJ111 on July 14, 2004, 10:38:19 PM

Bwahaha...dieeeeee...


(http://www.indyfan.com/gallery/wander/raiders/bazooka.jpg)

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: Rafe35 on July 14, 2004, 10:49:36 PM

Too bad that he didn't fire that weapon :p

Nice try :p

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: DJ111 on July 14, 2004, 10:53:56 PM

Oh yeah?...

(http://www.tomservo.cc/show.aspx/oicw-soldier.jpg)

 RUN

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: DJ111 on July 14, 2004, 10:55:42 PM

(http://www.tomservo.cc/show.aspx/saddams-spiderhole.jpg)

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: Rafe35 on July 14, 2004, 11:06:11 PM

This weapon will put to good to use against you Deej :P



(http://members.aol.com/BLKort/jpg/quad50.jpg)

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: DJ111 on July 14, 2004, 11:09:17 PM

'Scuse me?...

(http://pages.zdnet.com/vancell/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/88mmgunz.jpg)

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: Rafe35 on July 14, 2004, 11:12:30 PM

Is that your best shot? If not, BRING IT ON!

(http://www.netoriginals.com/uss/images/resources/bomb.jpg)

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: DJ111 on July 14, 2004, 11:20:02 PM

Hmm...

(http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/211.fall2000.web.projects/M.Buchman%20and%20B%20Arnesen/atomic.gif)

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: Rafe35 on July 14, 2004, 11:25:33 PM

Oh yeah!

(http://www.comicraft.com/logos/kaboom.gif)

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: DJ111 on July 14, 2004, 11:31:12 PM

Alright, I'm goin to sleep...

But remember....



mrblack is always watching you Rafe.

(http://www.afsouth.nato.int/images/mix987.JPG)

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: Rafe35 on July 14, 2004, 11:34:40 PM

Good night, Deej

Hellllllllllllllllllllo MRBLACK! :p

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: DJ111 on July 14, 2004, 11:42:46 PM

Oh no!

He heard you!!

(http://www.population-control.net/images/ownage.jpg)



(I'm out for real this time :) )

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: B17Skull12 on July 14, 2004, 11:46:23 PM

ok since we are talking big.
(http://www.worldwar1.com/arms/arm015.jpg)
can you say ouch to to huge 17cm german ww2 artillery piece?:D

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: Slash27 on July 15, 2004, 03:10:52 AM

You young guys and your love of fire arms. It brings a tear to my eye. Keep up the good work:aok


btw  Id take the M21.( since I already own a M14 im bias:D )

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: Dennis on July 15, 2004, 08:59:44 AM

Quote

Originally posted by DJ111
(http://www.vote4jokes.com/images/vowel.jpg)


Sure :aok

Campaign trail has been hard on the VP, apparently.

Splash1

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: DJ111 on July 15, 2004, 10:25:57 AM

Awww. The bestest thread evar was deleted by Skuzzy :(

And the other one was closed :(

Quote

Deej, you going to the Con?

I don't know yet, depends if school gets in the way, or vacation.

:(

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: Mustafa64 on July 15, 2004, 10:40:52 AM

(http://images.gunsamerica.com/upload/976393028-1.jpg)

For close range:

Street Sweeper 12 gauge , 12 rounds shotgun

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: gear on July 15, 2004, 11:07:24 AM

Here ya go... just use this when you want to reach out and touch someone:aok (http://user.mc.net/~hawk/doracol.jpg)Effective range 40 km
Max. elevation 53°
Total weight 1350 tonnen
Barrel weight 400 tonnen  
including 110 tonnen breech block & ring
Overall lenght 43 m
Width 7 m
Height 12 m
Barrel lenght 32 m (40 times its caliber)
Shell type Armor capped 3.75 meter shell (without propellant casing)
Shell Weight 7100 kg
(http://palpatine.chez.tiscali.fr/Page13/g7bw.jpg)

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: DJ111 on July 15, 2004, 11:10:31 AM

Yay!  I found the best thread evar! (http://www.flyaceshigh.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=123745)

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: DJ111 on July 15, 2004, 11:13:43 AM

(http://tatge.vwmafia.net/Owned/cannon.jpg)




Ooh yes...    Start runnin'...

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: Mustafa64 on July 15, 2004, 11:16:29 AM

(http://www.roadsideamerica.com/attract/images/ks/KSJUNatomic2.jpg)

The Atomic Cannon, an M65-280mm, is 42 feet long and weighs 42,500 lbs. It can throw a shell 20 miles.

(http://www.3ad.com/history/cold.war/nuclear.pages/nukes.pages/nuke.photos/atomic.cannon.montage.jpg)

Total destruction

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: gear on July 15, 2004, 11:20:40 AM

ya'll gonna hurt someone with those. use this insted:D (http://altura.speedera.net/ccimg.catalogcity.com/210000/211000/211019/products/6928807.jpg)

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: DJ111 on July 15, 2004, 11:22:13 AM

Kaboom (http://members.cox.net/dennisisok/Atomic%20Annie.mpg)

:eek:

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: Grits on July 15, 2004, 11:32:21 AM

OK, to the original question,

Neither. I'd take this:

(http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/177/177085/folders/122892/1143474M40A1.jpg)

Sure, there are bigger, meaner, longer ranged, but the M40A1 is still the best overall. If it was good enough for Carlos Hathcock, then its good enough for me. Of course I'd have to have one of the real things built at the Marine Corps Marksmanship Training Unit in Quantico, not just a copy. :)

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: DJ111 on July 15, 2004, 11:35:54 AM

Grits :


Caliber: 7.62x51mm NATO (.308 Win)
Length: 1117mm (M40A1)
Weight: 4.08 kg empty w/o scope; 6.57 kg complete weapon
Barrel Length: 660mm (M40); 610mm (M40A1)
Magazine Capacity: 5 rounds in detachable box magazine
Sight: Redfield 3-9X (M40); Unertl 10x with Mil-Dots and BDC (M40A1)
Stock: Remington one piece wooden (M40); McMillan fiberglass (M40A1)
Max Effective Range: 800 meters


After beginning of the Vietnam war, US Marine corps decided to purchase some bolt action sniper rifles. In April, 1966, Remington offered to US MC its sniper rifle, built in the Remingtons' custom shop on Model 40XB target rifle action (target tuned model 700 action with heavy barrel). Initially, 800 rifles were offered under the designation of the M40 Sniper Rifle. Total of 995 M40 were built by Remington for US MC. Original M40s were built on Remingtons' model 700BDL actions, with one piece wooden stocks.
In the 1970's, whel initial M40s began to wear out, US MC began to rebuild its inventory into M40A1 configuration. M40A1 built around the same 700BDL actions, but with differend stocks (polymer, by McMillan bros), and with the different scope. M40A1s are built in Quantico by qualified US MC armourers wrom parts supplied by Remington (actions), Winchester (magazine floorplate) and other contractors.
M40s were used in Vietnam and in later companies with great success, proved itself reliable and deadly accurate weapons

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: DJ111 on July 15, 2004, 11:36:50 AM

But :

Caliber: 7.62 NATO (.308 Winchester)
Barrel: 559mm
Mechanism: Rotating bolt, gas operated, air cooled, semi-automatic magazine fed rifle.
Capacity: 10 round box magazine
Weight: without scope 5.27kg
Length: 1118mm


During the Vietnam War, US Army felt the demand for an accurate sniper rifle. The army accordingly selected then-standart M14 Semi-automatic rifle for its ability to provide a quick second shot. The Army marksmanship Unit was charged with tuning M14 into effective sniper rifle. This has been done with adding a modern telescopic sigth, named ART (Adjustable Rangig Telescopic) and by selecting rifles with the best accuracy. Adopted by US Army in 1971



  Come on now :)

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: Grits on July 15, 2004, 11:52:34 AM

Quote

Originally posted by DJ111
During the Vietnam War, US Army felt the demand for an accurate sniper rifle. The army accordingly selected then-standart M14 Semi-automatic rifle for its ability to provide a quick second shot.

  Come on now :)

Marine snipers dont need a "second" shot Deej, they get the job done with the first one. :)

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: DktrEvil on July 15, 2004, 12:01:36 PM

The ultimate, unstoppable weapon .........................

(http://home.comcast.net/~johnbomberger/graphics/fluffy.jpg)

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: Grits on July 15, 2004, 12:16:32 PM

Mr. Bigglesworth's protege'?

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: DJ111 on July 15, 2004, 12:20:25 PM

Grits, but if you have more than 1 guy to shoot... while yer loading another round, the M21 has 2 more on the way :)


(http://persec.whs.mil/milpers/marines.jpg)

(2 more years)

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: DJ111 on July 15, 2004, 12:27:40 PM

BTW, nice sig storch :p

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: DJ111 on July 15, 2004, 12:39:17 PM

Rafe...


(http://tri.army.mil/LC/cs/csi/m1cm1d.jpg)

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: DJ111 on July 15, 2004, 12:43:26 PM

Sweet (http://www.hk94.com/m14.html)

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: Rafe35 on July 15, 2004, 12:57:48 PM

I still think M1C/M1D the best. Deej111 :p

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: DJ111 on July 15, 2004, 01:17:33 PM

(http://cherished1.com/cards/idiot.gif)
 :D  :D  :rofl


(http://tri.army.mil/LC/cs/csi/sam21lt.jpg)

            ^
           l33t

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: gear on July 15, 2004, 01:41:29 PM

Ilike this one(http://www.sovietarmy.com/small_arms/svd_icon.jpg):aok

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: Rafe35 on July 15, 2004, 01:42:07 PM

DEEJ IS A COMMIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rofl

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: DJ111 on July 15, 2004, 03:31:12 PM

Dragunov IS very very nice :)

Caliber: Russian 7.62x54mm Rimmed
Operation: gas operated, short stroke, rotating bolt; semi-automatic
Capacity: 10 round detachable box magazine
Weight: 4.31kg empty with telescope
Length: 1225 mm
Barrel Length: 620 mm
Max Rate of Fire: 30 RPM
Aimed Rate of Fire: 3-5 RPM
Scope Type: PSO-1 with illuminated reticle
Accuracy: less than 2MOA at 600m


SVD was designed not as a standart sniper rifle. In fact, main role of the SVD ir Soviet / Russian Army is to extend effective range of fire of every infantry squad up to 600 meters and to provide special fire support. SVD is a lightweight and quite accurate (for it's class) rifle, cabable of semi-auto fire. First request for new sniper rifle was issued in 1958. In 1963 SVD (Snaiperskaya Vintovka Dragunova, or Dragunov Sniper Rifle) was accepted by Soviet Military. SVD can use any kind of standart 7.62x54R ammo, but primary round is specially developed for SVD sniper-grade cartridge with steel-core bullet. Every infantry squad in the Russian (Soviet) army had one man with SVD.
SVD is extremely reliable in all conditions, and designed for heavy battles. It has backup ajustable iron sights as a standart option, as well as a bayonet mount (standart AK-47 bayonet type).
Latest modernisation incorporate rugged polymer stock. Also, for mounted and airborne troops developed variant with folding buttsock and shortened barrel (590 mm). New flash hider/muzzle brake also installed.
All modifications of SVD passed many real battle tests during Afghan war as well as many other local conflicts, including latest Chechen wars. SVD was widely used and copied across the former Warshaw pact countries and still in service with Russian Army and many Russian Law Enforcement agencies (as well in oter CIS countries).




Rafe, Arlo is the commie b/c he made the commercials during the Ron White show :lol

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: Squire on July 15, 2004, 04:33:23 PM

The M1D if I was hauling it through the bush all day. :)

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: DJ111 on July 15, 2004, 06:04:18 PM

(http://www.matthewmodine.com/pictures/ermy_yelling.jpg)

You wussy!!


:D

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: Grits on July 15, 2004, 06:28:20 PM

Who said that? Who the **** said that? Who's the slimy little communist ****, twinkle-toed noodlesucker down here who just signed his own death warrant? Nobody, huh? The fairy ****ing godmother said it. Out-****ing-standing. I will PT you all until you ****ing die. I'll PT you until your *******s are sucking buttermilk.

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: DJ111 on July 15, 2004, 06:54:05 PM

Gunnery Sgt.Hartman.... (http://www.ebaumsworld.com/jacket1.html)

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: DJ111 on July 15, 2004, 07:03:27 PM

"Well thank you very much, can I be in charge for a while?"

ROFL   love that one :rofl

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: Rafe35 on July 15, 2004, 09:49:57 PM

Hmmmm, I forgot all about Deej and Arlo is really a commie!

BTW

Springfield M1903 Bolt-Action Rifle - ONE SHOT, ONE KILL!!

(http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m1903.jpg)

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: Squire on July 16, 2004, 02:17:19 AM

Gunny, I like the M-16 cuz its ez on my girlish wrists. Sir!

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: DJ111 on July 16, 2004, 10:32:23 AM

Here ya go Rafe, this is more yer style :

(http://www.hants.gov.uk/regulatory/images/gun15.jpg)

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: Rafe35 on July 16, 2004, 02:09:30 PM

:rolleyes:

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: DJ111 on July 18, 2004, 01:53:13 AM

(http://club.guns.ru/images/barnaul/fig8.jpg)

Results of firing the SVD Dragunov sniper rifle with 7N13 rounds: 16 mm steel 3 plate, range 100 meters.

:eek:

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: Dogsta04 on July 18, 2004, 02:39:57 AM

(http://www.barrettrifles.com/images/front_rifles.jpg)

Caliber : .50 BMG
Operation :  recoil operated, semi-auto
Magazine :  10 round box magazine
Barrel length :  737 mm / 29"
Total length :  1448 mm / 57"
Weight :  12.9 kg / 28.5 lbs
Rate of fire :  -
Sights :  10x scope and iron sights
Muzzle velocity :  854 m/s
Max. effective range :  1830 m / 2013 yard
Accuracy : far above 1 MOA

Exerpt from SNIPER STORYS (http://www.snipercountry.com/Articles/BoltActionsSpeak.asp)

Canuck snipers supposedly had the highest number of confirmed kills in the Shah-i-Kot Valley fight. A source in Kandahar working with the Canadian sniper teams estimates "well over 20 confirmed kills at long ranges." There is an unconfirmed, but widely circulated, report of a 2,400-meter kill (chest-shot) against the driver of an enemy resupply truck. If validated, it will be a new record for the longest shot made by a military sniper in combat (currently 2,500 yards or about 2,250 meters, held by GySgt Carlos Hathcock, USMC, near Duc Pho, South Vietnam, January 1967, with a Browning .50 HMG mounting an 8-power Unertl telescopic sight).

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: Arlo on July 18, 2004, 05:11:43 AM

(http://jollyrogers.info/CAG44/malfunction.gif)

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: scJazz on July 18, 2004, 08:55:07 AM

ROTFLMAO!

Great thread guys... laughing and smilin for the last hour. Excellent way to wake up!

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: DJ111 on July 18, 2004, 12:21:26 PM

(http://www.matthewmodine.com/pictures/matt_yelling.jpg)

Commies!!!

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: Rafe35 on July 18, 2004, 12:35:21 PM

ROFLMAO ARLO! :lol

But you still commie! :p

Title: M21 vs. M1D
Post by: DJ111 on July 18, 2004, 12:40:26 PM

(http://www.niagara.com/~freedom/anticom/diecom.jpg)