Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: BF109e on July 15, 2004, 07:52:04 PM
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Just a friendly heads up for those interested.
http://www5.playnet.com/bv/wwiiol/filefront_promo.jsp
1.14 gave us visible damage on all planes, with a revamped damage model.
1.15 should be out in a matter of a days.
Cheers.
Oh, BTW, here are some guncams showing off the new damage model:
http://discussions.playnet.com/viewtopic.php?t=87970&highlight=
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did they fix the flight model yet?
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The flight model is better than it's ever been.
They also added trackIR support.
You'll find some videos of it in action at http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/
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Any new aircraft? P40s? :)
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Any new aircraft? P40s?
They've had the P40 for months.
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I assume you already know about these additions:
109F
SpitV
HurriIIC
110C4B
Here are the ones you may not have known about:
P40 (H81 French version)
Bell P39 (French version)
DB7 bomber (French)
Havoc bomber (British)
Planes under development:
P-38F
Fw190A4
Spitfire IXe
Other vehicles under development:
AT Guns
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Mle1897/40
Pak38L60
QF6pdr.
Tanks
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PzKwIVg
Crusader III 6pdr.
Sherman M4A3
StuGIIIg
Torpedo Boats
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Early S-Boote
Vosper 70ft.
BPB contract VTB
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Lets keep it honest:
Due to the RDP model:
109F - gets in game about 40% of gameplay time
SpitV - gets in game about 40% of gameplay time
HurriIIC - gets in game about 20% of gameplay time
110C4B - gets in game about 10% of gameplay time
P40 (H81 French version) - gets in game about 10% of gameplay time
Bell P39 (French version) - gets in game about 10% of gameplay time
DB7 bomber (French)
Havoc bomber (British)
As for the 'under development' stuff don't hold you breath. CRS's "soon" make HTC's "two weeks" seem like about 2 minutes.
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Originally posted by Estes
did they fix the flight model yet?
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No. And the DM is still about 60% of AH's (no structural stress, some components still not breakable).
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The RDP model is undergoing change as we speak to incorporate a parallel research tree, with different equipment taking different amounts of time, and with ability to speed it up through allocation of resources.
And CRS releases a patch about every month and a half now. They've really picked up the pace.
We can expect those vehicles before summer is out.
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I've been enjoying WW2OL over AcesHigh these days. Still waiting for the next plane patch for AH to draw me back.
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Originally posted by BF109e
The RDP model is undergoing change as we speak to incorporate a parallel research tree, with different equipment taking different amounts of time, and with ability to speed it up through allocation of resources.
And CRS releases a patch about every month and a half now. They've really picked up the pace.
We can expect those vehicles before summer is out.
I'd be as happy as anyone to see the 190 in game - but I seriously doubt we'll see it within the next 3 months. Even if the 190 and Spit IX get in game I personally see major problems with how these aircraft will perform in the low visibility range environment of WW2OL.
oh, and fwiw I currently spend more time in WW2OL than AH, its the squad environment thats grabbed me. The game has a mountain of issues, but hook up with a good squad and they all fade into the background (cept for the occasional bout of swearing on Teamspeak).
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Originally posted by Estes
did they fix the flight model yet?
FM still blows but ground war is excellent.
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I figured it did Russian.
The ground war was pretty fun, except the having to jog half an hour thing.
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The FM is not IL-2, but it's still pretty good.
It's certainly much better than any of the Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator games.
There is also depot spawning now, so infantry can get to the frontline faster and combat is more dense.
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wow cool.
I'm going to have to give it a try again.
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i have been having much more fun in WWIIOL lately than AH, if any of you get it im usually on allied, handle McCudden.
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I've tried every online flightsim I've come across.
I REALLY tried, but being used to AH I couldn't find WWIIOL's airwar satisfying.
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That game could never match AH....how about AH2? Havent had the hardware to try that yet.
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The more I fly WW2OL, the more I appreciate it's strengths over AH2. The fact that you're only fighting aircraft from the same time frame(109E's vs. Hurri I's & Spit I's, etc) gives it a realistic flavor that only the AH special events can duplicate.
The sensation of speed is much, much better than AH2, especially when at low at....probably because the terrain and foliage is so much more realistic than AH2.
I absolutely love the DM of WW2OL. When your engine gets hit, it can slowly or quickly deteriorate and start knocking and overheating before it actually gives up the ghost.
Likewise, when you as the pilot gets hit, it can affect you in multiple ways. Sometimes you get hit in the arms or legs, and you lose the ability to push on the rudder bars, or move the stick completely. Or, you may be blinded temporarily.
The visual damage cues when you hit a plane as the shooter, is really cool. Pieces fly off, wings snap off, engines and fuel tanks explode.....it has AH2 beat in the "cool" factor by a mile.
The limited availability of aircraft is a good thing, because it makes you think twice about how much risk you want to take blindly taking on those four 109's in your Hurricane. Sometime, discretion is the better part of valor.
The lack of a direct six view in a correct way to do the six view. You can and will be bounced from behind if you're not very careful about your SA. But, that can work to your advantage when you're out hunting.
The FM is not perfect, however. Just as in AH2, the bombers are able to do manuevers that are questionable at best. I saw an HE-111(which doesn't even exist in AH yet!) last night escape attack by going into a vertical dive and diving to the deck while a Bf-110 covered his escape.
On the whole, however, the air combat has AH2 beat in terms of realism and historical fun. It may not have the "furball" fun of AH, but it is not trying to provide that.
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Originally posted by banana
The fact that you're only fighting aircraft from the same time frame(109E's vs. Hurri I's & Spit I's, etc) gives it a realistic flavor that only the AH special events can duplicate.
Speaking of Which, The CAP event re-starts tomorrow at 3:00 Eastern, and goes where WWIIOL Can not...
The Pacific! Join us for the Battle of the Coral Sea.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=123062
-Sik
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[hijack]
FB/AEP Beats umm all...
JDW Scot and I tore umm on Greater green last night.
3 51s bounced Scot and I in our G14s, 3cm of Rheinmetal sent them straight to Hel. :p
Nothing compares to it. The next map loaded and we were dogfighting over Anapa on the Crimea map. Bounced by p38s, p51s and I believe a la la or a yak (we flew him into the ground).
5 minutes later all the bad guys are dead to our G6s and we land with bullets wholes riddled through out our planes and oil all over the wind screen.
Here's a large image of us bouncing a couple of yak 1s in our F4s.... Horrido!!!
Linked because of size...
http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/334_1088761067_rooster1.jpg
[/hijack]
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Yep, IMO there's more to a good flight sim than having the absolute best physics or most complex damage model.
You see, IL-2 may be the best in that regards, but what's it all really mean when you can't actually DO anything with it beyond 8vs8 dogfights?
Sure, there are single player missions, but it's not the same as when all those tanks on the ground and planes in the air are real people.
The other half of a successful flight sim is creating a realistic environment to use your planes in.
This means historical plane match ups, historical restrictions on the planes (such as attrition rates), and a flowing battlefield to bomb or protect. All the better when the battlefield below is made up of real players duking it out.
Personally, that's why I think Ace's High is better than IL-2, but it's also why I think WW2OL is better than Ace's High.
There's nothing else out there like WW2OL's battlefield. It creates such a purpose to your flights, you actually feel like you've accomplished something beyond simply gaining a few more personal points on your scorecard.
IMO the good of WW2OL far outweighs the few idiosyncrasies with it's model.
It's really quite a good FM/DM when you put it in perspective with everything else out on the market.
IL-2 is undoubtedly better, and Ace's High has advantages but also disadvantages compared to WW2OL, but WW2OL easily beats Fighter Ace, Warbirds, and Combat Flight Simulator.
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Ok, well thank you, now go on back to WW2OL :aok
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the 109s straffing ground targets has to go and the tree bombers have to go. Their needs to be more allie airfields cause the axis have no enemies in the air. Its all bombing and straffing at will. Kinda like AH vulching, your realism is out the door.
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Interesting review.
Review (http://www.firingsquad.com/games/world_war_2_online_reloaded/)
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There is nothing unrealistic at all about tactical bombers operating at low altitude to find and strike targets.
And in real life, if you had total air superiority, your fighters would be used to strafe ground targets too.
P-51's were regularly turned loose to strafe ground targets after they were done escorting their bombers.
109's rarely strafe ground targets in WW2OL because once you've blown your altitude and speed you are a sitting duck for the superior turning allied planes that may come along.
Only newbies strafe ground targets with regularity, and they die a lot in the process (if not to the AAA, then to enemy fighters pouncing them).
As in real life, experienced fighter pilots will only engage in strafing if they have overwhelming air superiority so they don't have to worry about getting bounced.
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I can't possibly imagine how can one compare the FM of WW2OL with IL2, much less with AH2. I'm no fanboi of any of these sims, but I have eyes.
I tried simple boom and zoom tactics in WW2OL only to find a bogey doing a hard 180 and start gaining on me.
Sorry, that did it for me.
Inmersion can be good at times, but the FM plain sucks.
My .02 € anyway.
Daniel
edit: The 110-rotocopter was quite fun though. I couldn't control it, but it was a hell of a ride.
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banana how can you say that when the 109 FM in WW2OL is complete fantasy and nothing close to a 109? When the DM doesn't include stress, gear, or flap damage?
I got a colleague at work to try it, I told him the truth: "WW2OL teamplay is what makes the game, the combined air ground war with a squad, other than that the graphics are lagging (vs current fps), the air FM/DM is porked, the game performance is mediocre (vs your hardware), CRS's code leaves a lot to be desired, BUT the team fun factor gets you passed these issues". He's in and without fantastical expectations generated from fanboi hype.
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Nothing like watching a Blen or Havoc strafe then do a loop dee loop and come back on top of you to strafe again. I prefer to call WW2online barnstorming Blens.
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Originally posted by BF109e
There is nothing unrealistic at all about tactical bombers operating at low altitude to find and strike targets.
And in real life, if you had total air superiority, your fighters would be used to strafe ground targets too.
P-51's were regularly turned loose to strafe ground targets after they were done escorting their bombers.
109's rarely strafe ground targets in WW2OL because once you've blown your altitude and speed you are a sitting duck for the superior turning allied planes that may come along.
Only newbies strafe ground targets with regularity, and they die a lot in the process (if not to the AAA, then to enemy fighters pouncing them).
As in real life, experienced fighter pilots will only engage in strafing if they have overwhelming air superiority so they don't have to worry about getting bounced.
You can stop with the fanboy rants and excuses. HE-111's boming at tree level is very unrealistic. It's all about gaming the game. I'm already a subscriber of WW2OL so there no need to justify your reasons historic stretches. You're not going to change peoples opinions on this board.
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1009e=hardcase? or zeroace?
no its VOSS!!!
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There's nothing fanboi about what I said, that's simply historical insight.
See, common conventions about "How pilots are suppose to behave" doesn't always pan out when you look at history and realize that pilots were every bit as ingenious in pushing their planes to the limit as we are in games.
We even have WW2OL players who complain about stukas turning off their engines prior to a dive so that AAA guns won't hear them coming; they say it's unrealistic because it doesn't follow common conventional wisdom about how dive bombers are "suppose to behave"... but then you look at the Russians during WW2 and find that there many of their bomber pilots DID turn off their engines and glide over their target so as to avoid alerting the AAA emplacements.
Another attack of "common wisdom" we see a lot is the belief that dogfights below 3km are unrealistic, that real life pilots would never go so low and expose themselves to AAA or bouncing.
But the reality of WW2 history is that fighter combat regularity took place below 3km in areas where high levels of CAS were being undertaken (Specifically the African theater and Russian front).
You see, the CAS planes are at that altitude, so the attackers and defenders will have to be drawn down to that level for fights.
Many people tend to erroneously associate the high altitude clashes over Western Europe between strategic bombing and german interceptors as what pilot behavior is typically "suppose" to be like.
There's nothing stopping me from flying a stuka at treetop level in AH either, aside from the fact that there isn't actually anyone on the ground for me to spot and bomb, so why would I want to fly that low?
WW2OL puts no arbitrary restrictions on what players can and cannot do. There are advantages and disadvantages to flying low, just as in real life.
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Originally posted by BF109e
There's nothing fanboi about what I said, that's simply historical insight.
It would have been quicker to just point out that AH has divebombing lancasters.
I want to like WWIIOL, and I've played the trial twice. But not being in a squad is a real hinderance I think. A couple of other Shills were into it, but even with 3-5 of us, it was mostly checking your watch and playing cards (this is ground war we're talking about here).
If they ever make it to the Pacific though, I'll be checking it out again. But I'm not going to hold my breath.
That review posted upstream seemed about right to me from my limited experience.
-Sik
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Whereas in WW2OL there advantages and disadvantages to flying a particular plane...
As in: if you fly a 110, you are toast. If you are in an ufospit and die, you must suck really bad.
Sorry, but WW2OL FM is comparable to CFS, and that's a compliment.
Daniel
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Originally posted by BF109e
The FM is not IL-2, but it's still pretty good.
It's certainly much better than any of the Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator games.
There is also depot spawning now, so infantry can get to the frontline faster and combat is more dense.
Not as good as Aces High either....
ack-ack
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Hum, it would appear thay Cyrano is a real pilot.
;)
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Gentlemen, gentlemen,
Until the techs find a way to model an actual 20MM shell flying out of your monitor past your ear when you attempt to HO a 109, it's
ALL incredibly unrealistic:D
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Again, the FM in ww2online is poor at best. The game itself has become very good aside from that. The ground war is the best in the business, imo.
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Man im really thinking of going back. Any of ya know if my ol handle been taken? "Misfit"?
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my 1st time tryin WW2onl.....
gettin sniped alot.....gotta get rank.....its all about rank.
had a 4on1 in an old Hurri1.....killed 1 damaged 2 other ran like a girl....planes are too easy.
but its still a good game...gonna give it the 2 weeks before deciding...AH or WW2.
but you do need a high end puter too play that game too its full potential
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I've been toolin' around with it a bit.
But I can't get it to recognize my stick. It's an X-45.
I try to drive a tank, and it acts like my stick isn't even there.
I calibrated in windows, but when I try to calibrate in WWIIOL it acts like its not there.. Any suggestions?
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Got my name in there, United7. Ima try out the 2 week trial, but I can tell its gonna take a long time gettin used to.:D
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Estes, visit the community support forum here:
http://discussions.playnet.com/viewforum.php?f=8&sid=6f62ad8e424d96d718e151f99d8526a7
You don't even need to register to post, you can post as a guest.
I'm sure they will be able to fix you up.
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If any of you are new to WW2OL, or even if you are returning, I think you'll find these links helpful:
Online Game Manual:
http://training.wwiionline.com/scripts/training/ogm.jsp;jsessionid=8EE5F2B68BE22F552AE62B853B1C6494
How to use the User Interface and Keymapper:
http://training.wwiionline.com/scripts/training/resources.jsp
Snoop's Infantry Training Videos
http://www.snoopstuff.com/
New players and veterans alike should find these useful.
(start from the top and work your way down. You'll find that the older videos are out of date in most respects, but there are still many tidbits of information that is still valid)
Pilot Training Resources - Learn to fly and dogfight (You guys really don't need to learn how to fly, but you can find plane specific and WW2OL specific stuff in here)
http://discussions.playnet.com/viewtopic.php?t=6163
Pics and explanation of the WW2OL damage model - Understand why that @W%$ tank wouldn't die after 10 hits from 1000 meters away
http://discussions.playnet.com/viewtopic.php?t=53455
WW2OL Battlefield Maps - Download the PDF and print them out
TGPO Versions:
http://www.tgpo.net/default.aspx
Five's Versions
http://discussions.playnet.com/viewtopic.php?t=44044
(Both are the same map, just different styles)
Community Support Forums - Go here if you have technical or performance problems with the game.
(You don't need an account to post here).
http://discussions.playnet.com/viewforum.php?f=8
Recruitment Forums - Find a squad (Highly recommended if you want to experience the full potential of WW2OL's combined arms action)
http://discussions.playnet.com/viewforum.php?f=15
WillyTee's Comics - Humorous comic strips about the world of WW2OL - Just for fun :)
http://www.willyteescomics.com/comics/index.php
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Oh hell, Ill give it a try...
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Originally posted by BF109e
Estes, visit the community support forum here:
http://discussions.playnet.com/viewforum.php?f=8&sid=6f62ad8e424d96d718e151f99d8526a7
You don't even need to register to post, you can post as a guest.
I'm sure they will be able to fix you up.
Thanks BF, turned out it was my USB keyboard interferring with it.
Swapped it with a Ps/2 keyboard I had laying around. Problem solved. :)
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oh and a few of us are playin ALLIES.....
thats Furball(Mccudden) LOK(PALADIN) Atilla and me.....gonna start using Manx's squad channel on Teamspeak
If thats alright with Manx:D
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Axis is better. I love that German Rifle, just like my Mauser up home. And its accurate, so It makes up for my wretched aim. :D
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Get use to the 64 limit
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all the kids flock to the axis. If you want targets go Allies.
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what is the recuirements to play?
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Eh, deleted it.
Just cant get into it. Im sure if I gave it more of a chance and joined up with others it'd be fun but I dont have the patience - and the controls are just plain wierd.
Same verdict when I tried it two years ago... awesome concept - horrible delivery.
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The game does require patience to learn before you really get into it, but then Ace's High can be the same way too. Neither are instant action games.
Those links I listed will help you a lot if you desire to put forth the effort to read them.
jetb123,
Minimum requirements:
1ghz
Geforce3 or equivalent
256RAM
Recommended:
2ghz
Geforce4 or better
512RAM or more
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As long as you don't pretend to be flying in that game, you'll have fun.
Daniel
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Originally posted by CyranoAH
As long as you don't pretend to be flying in that game, you'll have fun.
Daniel
Wow, it's interesting how polarizing the FM and DM in WW2OL is. I think they're both pretty good compared to AH, while others think they're horrible.
Best thing to do is try it and see if you like it. But you should allow a month to get used to it, because it is different.
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I would give you the benefit of a doubt if I hadn't tested it thoroughly.
There's absolutely NO WAY a plane that was just doing strafing passes on troops and that just drained all energy in a high G turn catches up with another that was doing its maximum speed after a 45 degree dive... much less in 2 seconds. I would blame it on poor SA on my part... if I hadn't consistently repeated the situation.
I may not know how a warbird from that era flies, but I do fly in real life, and I have soloed in close to 15 different airplanes now, including several vintage and 2 advanced aerobatic ones, and let me tell you, WW2OL FM "just doesn't feel right".
AH 2 does definitely have its flaws, but at least I can apply the logic of real life flying.
Daniel
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6 years of flyin SIMs is long enough.....
time to pound the pavement:aok
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Originally posted by BF109e
WW2OL puts no arbitrary restrictions on what players can and cannot do. There are advantages and disadvantages to flying low, just as in real life.
LOLOLOLOLOL...
Did you remember to tell them that if you bomb above 3km your bombs disappear into oblivion. Thats right folks... the reason an HE-111 bombs on the deck is because above 3km (10k ft) the bombs don't work, the server can't track them.
banana: its not "polarising", its a FACT the WW2OL DM is only half done. The most glaring hole in it is the complete lack of any stress damage, hence bombers can pull G's way passed what they historically could.
The FM is awful, the floppy rudder input is ridiculous and defies physics, the E retention on some aircraft is crazy, the 109s are too slow and don't even compress like they should. If you read the historical reports for the 109s and P-39s they fly nothing like the documented reports by the RAF, LW, test pilots etc.
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well, the airplanes isn't the reason I started playing again.
The ground war is really fun. :)
I'm having hell getting any rank though.
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Cyrano and Vulcan, I see your points and I don't dispute them. I've seen the same things you have.
But, let's talk about taking off and landing. Are you trying to tell me that the ridiculously easy take offs and landings in AH are realistic? Or that they are done better than WW2OL?
I just don't buy it. When I take off in WW2OL, I have to use judicious inputs of the throttle and the rudder to get a smooth takeoff. Are you claiming that the "Firewall it and forget it" way in AH2 is more realistic?
And then there's landings. In AH2, it's very difficult to scrub off speed as you come in to land, whereas in WW2Ol, if you reduce throttle and increase to max RPM's, that helps slow you down and allows you to deploy flaps & gear without having to perform flat turns to scrub off speed, as I always seem to have to do in AH.
And what about the sensation of speed when down low? Surely you don't claim that AH does a better job than WW2OL in this regard?
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Originally posted by banana
Cyrano and Vulcan, I see your points and I don't dispute them. I've seen the same things you have.
But, let's talk about taking off and landing. Are you trying to tell me that the ridiculously easy take offs and landings in AH are realistic? Or that they are done better than WW2OL?
I just don't buy it. When I take off in WW2OL, I have to use judicious inputs of the throttle and the rudder to get a smooth takeoff. Are you claiming that the "Firewall it and forget it" way in AH2 is more realistic?
And then there's landings. In AH2, it's very difficult to scrub off speed as you come in to land, whereas in WW2Ol, if you reduce throttle and increase to max RPM's, that helps slow you down and allows you to deploy flaps & gear without having to perform flat turns to scrub off speed, as I always seem to have to do in AH.
And what about the sensation of speed when down low? Surely you don't claim that AH does a better job than WW2OL in this regard?
Fair enough, let's discuss this items:
1. Takeoff: I really don't pay much attention. While AH take-offs are very easy, I can't say take-offs in real life are that much more difficult. Even in a nervous airplane such as the Pitts or the Zlin Z-50, you can count to 5 and you are airborne. It is indeed easier in AH than in RL, but then again, in WW2OL I got the 110-rotocopter all too often...
2. Landings: All too easy in AH, agreed, but I can't say I like those in WW2OL. In this case, I'll give this one to WW2OL just for the sake of it :)
3. Speed: I like the new terrain in AH2, but I don't like the sensation of speed at low altitude of any of the two. Of course, it has to do with peripheral vision, so I guess it's a computer simulation limitation.
Anyway, for ground warfare, it's clear WW2OL is the best choice, but for flying, I'll take AH2 anyday.
Daniel
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I will agree {NOT that I'm a good in a fighter pilot} that the "air game" in WWII Online is just a bit behind AH1 or 2, but I think here real soon that will change and will be on par with AH.
The ground game in WWII online and AH are not even in the same category PERIOD!
WWII Online's ground is much more realistic and looks great to boot!
I still like AH for it's players and the friends/enemies I have made, but with it's current poor performance, bugs and way too outdated graphics & sound engine it's hard to keep paying $14.95 a month for a beta.
Just a note: Funny that in some of the previous posts there was all this stuff said about the "flight" game and how AH is sooooo much more realistic. Maybe so, but when B26's, Lanc's and B17's are dive bombing on a GV over and over agian:rolleyes:
One has to wonder.
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1.15 patch is out.
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gotta love it..
(http://sw.it.no/~beester/airplanes.jpg)
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above is the usual LW gangfest that appears on sight of a single hurricane I.
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i posted this on squad forum a couple of weeks ago, ill share here too.
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So..
I start at the fire base (forward spawn location, like spawn point in Aces High) in an 88mm flak gun, and see a truck loading up for an infantry attack on a french villiage. So i despawn and get myself a Sub Machine Gunner, in this case an MP40.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/71_1089669008_sshot19.jpg)
We go cross country, with Blenheims aof the Royal Air Force attacking tanks and strafing all around, 109's 110's and Hurricanes are mixing it overhead. We reach the town unscathed and all pile out of the Opel truck with the battle raging around us.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/71_1089669058_sshot23.jpg)
I run through a burned out church, hit the deck and immediately start taking MG fire from a tank that is blocking the only bridge in town across the river. I get out of the church and flank round to the left, and get a nice sniping spot with my flank covered by a small berm. I gun down a french soldier while axis tanks swarm around securing the area.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/71_1089669263_sshot29.jpg)
Unfortunately i myself then get sniped, my firing gave my location away.
So i do the only honourable thing, and come back in armour to get the bastage back :D
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/71_1089669404_sshot32.jpg)
I find the town overrun by axis, and the frenchies are holding out over the other side of the canal, axis tanks are getting hit as they try to cross the bridge by concealed AT guns.
I go to get into position to fire across the bridge and suddenly get a near miss from an air attack, which wounds my gunner. This doesnt prevent me from positioning myself opposite the french depot where the infantry spawn. The equivalent of the AH spawncamp :D
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/71_1089669592_sshot37.jpg)
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I land my kills and get a rifleman, I manage to snipe out the commander of an enemy Stuart tank. I chase after him and put a few stick grenades into him before a german tank hits him with a 37mm shell and he goes up in smoke.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/71_1089669892_stuart.jpg)
set up position on top of the church, but it seems the battle is won.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/71_1089669781_sshot49.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/71_1089669942_sshot50.jpg)
And then i had to include this picture, i drove up to the top of a cliff in a Panzer IIIH, armed with the (1940 standards ;)) awesome 50mm gun, and nailed this enemy stuart from about 2500 yards away! his turret had just blown off when i took this picture, you can just see the turret on the right and some debris from it still falling. I fired a ranging shot and it just sailed right into him, was well pleased :D
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/71_1089670346_greatshot.jpg)
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Originally posted by Furball
above is the usual LW gangfest that appears on sight of a single hurricane I.
I don't mind BF110's.. so easy targets it makes me sick :D
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yup, i prefer shooting stuka's tho!
Shot both wings off one the other day from bofors, was so funny to watch it just lawndart ! :D
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/71_1090834425_lawndart.jpg)
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Furball, that story reminds me of when I was in Andenne, except I was a French LMG. Didnt have near as much fun as you did. I sat there for an hour or more until finally a 232 and some infantry started crossing the bridge. Got that LMG to gun down 3-4 soldiers and then the 232 shot me up.
What handle do you play under and who do you play for mostly?
BTW: great shot in a bofors, since its a 40mm and all.:D
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whee.. made a little trial account.. I'm already getting bored to watch the Matilda hordes invade the towns with nothing able to stop them.
Pak36's are just as good as rifles against them, sappering is real hard when theres lots of them.
Tanks have it hard, since only the front can protect from 2pdr and at close it's not much of a cover any more, since matty tends to hold the 50mm a bit better.
Guess I should play allied, at least the QF 2pdr is fun little ATG, since it can kill anything with ease compared to Pak36.
Just gets more insane to be axis player when the RDP goes on -> axis can have .. was it 12 PzIIIH's, since there cant be more than 12 of each -> BEF can have 12 matties, 12 daimlers, 12 crusaders, 12 A13's. (Well, if RDP ever would get that far) -> other panzers are of a little match against Crusader and the daimler sure matches any panzers well enough (unless some idiot uses it the same way as matilda)
Cya WWIIOL by the time PzGr.40 and PaK38 is added.
(why theres no PzGr.40 already is beyond me)
StuG IIIG is a must see though...
but until then, I'm not finding much kicks from WWIIOL axis side.
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Originally posted by Fishu
whee.. made a little trial account.. I'm already getting bored to watch the Matilda hordes invade the towns with nothing able to stop them.
Pak36's are just as good as rifles against them, sappering is real hard when theres lots of them.
Tanks have it hard, since only the front can protect from 2pdr and at close it's not much of a cover any more, since matty tends to hold the 50mm a bit better.
Guess I should play allied, at least the QF 2pdr is fun little ATG, since it can kill anything with ease compared to Pak36.
Just gets more insane to be axis player when the RDP goes on -> axis can have .. was it 12 PzIIIH's, since there cant be more than 12 of each -> BEF can have 12 matties, 12 daimlers, 12 crusaders, 12 A13's. (Well, if RDP ever would get that far) -> other panzers are of a little match against Crusader and the daimler sure matches any panzers well enough (unless some idiot uses it the same way as matilda)
Cya WWIIOL by the time PzGr.40 and PaK38 is added.
(why theres no PzGr.40 already is beyond me)
StuG IIIG is a must see though...
but until then, I'm not finding much kicks from WWIIOL axis side.
Fishu, I play Allies mostly, and every complaint you made is the same I hear from the Allies all the time on the radio buffer. I guess that just proves how realistic WW2OL is. Even the whining from the troops is consistent! ;)
Seriously, though, the only real complaint I have with the German equipment, is the total unsurvivablility of the Bf-110. I tried to get a kill and rtb safely in that thing for three weeks solid, and was never able to accomplish both feats. I could either get a kill or rtb safely, but not both. That plane is meat on the table to the Allied fighters.
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Tried out WW2OL for a while few months back just before the (i think 1.10) release. Didn't take long to realise the air war wasn't much with poor FM low vis range and unstable frame rates over towns.
64 limit is a major pain.
It's pretty much just massive quake like campathon with which ever side rushing to the others town, supress the spawn point with tanks and capture the flag mentality.
Most fun I ever had was in a 2lb'r tanks are fun but as soon as u fire a shot somthing kills you. Usually sniping 2lb'r :-)
And yes I did the squad thing.
Oh not to mention the hours of inactivity at times. Especially when you play off peak.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by banana
The more I fly WW2OL, the more I appreciate it's strengths over AH2. The fact that you're only fighting aircraft from the same time frame(109E's vs. Hurri I's & Spit I's, etc) gives it a realistic flavor that only the AH special events can duplicate.
The sensation of speed is much, much better than AH2, especially when at low at....probably because the terrain and foliage is so much more realistic than AH2.
I absolutely love the DM of WW2OL. When your engine gets hit, it can slowly or quickly deteriorate and start knocking and overheating before it actually gives up the ghost.
Likewise, when you as the pilot gets hit, it can affect you in multiple ways. Sometimes you get hit in the arms or legs, and you lose the ability to push on the rudder bars, or move the stick completely. Or, you may be blinded temporarily.
The visual damage cues when you hit a plane as the shooter, is really cool. Pieces fly off, wings snap off, engines and fuel tanks explode.....it has AH2 beat in the "cool" factor by a mile.
The limited availability of aircraft is a good thing, because it makes you think twice about how much risk you want to take blindly taking on those four 109's in your Hurricane. Sometime, discretion is the better part of valor.
The lack of a direct six view in a correct way to do the six view. You can and will be bounced from behind if you're not very careful about your SA. But, that can work to your advantage when you're out hunting.
The FM is not perfect, however. Just as in AH2, the bombers are able to do manuevers that are questionable at best. I saw an HE-111(which doesn't even exist in AH yet!) last night escape attack by going into a vertical dive and diving to the deck while a Bf-110 covered his escape.
On the whole, however, the air combat has AH2 beat in terms of realism and historical fun. It may not have the "furball" fun of AH, but it is not trying to provide that.
Try the CT on occasion
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Originally posted by storch
Try the CT on occasion
What a great idea, Storch! I've never thought of that before.
:rolleyes:
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I'm so tired of the "try the CT" excuse. How can flying with 3 people on a large map compare to anything/arena.
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Originally posted by SunKing
I'm so tired of the "try the CT" excuse. How can flying with 3 people on a large map compare to anything/arena.
while the CT certainly is a Ghost town now (last night at prime time +- 20 players) the game play is better for me. I fly LW and know the distinctive sounds of friendly and enemy aircraft so many times I need only listen for the incoming and thereby make a decision as to what to do. The average CT player is more proficient than the average MA player. You usually don't have your kills jumped after taking 5 minutes to set up a kill in an inferior plane by a cherry picker, unless eskimo shows up on your side. The insults are usually more intelligent. what's not to love? BTW banana if you come back I promise not to hand u ur *** so quickly. Just identify urself and I'll play left handed. :]
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Fishu, I believe the tank numbers are capped you cant have more then like 24 total in a spawn or something like that. One of the other guys still playing will probably know for sure.
To increase matty numbers to 12 would take a huge amount of RDPS. Since you only start with 1, you can only have 2 by RDP 2, then 3 on RDP 3 or something like that.
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Storch, I never left AH. I'm still here. I just spend more time in WW2OL than AH at the moment.
If you want to hand me my arse, you can easily do that every Friday night in the Squad Ops in the Special Events arena.
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Originally posted by banana
Storch, I never left AH. I'm still here. I just spend more time in WW2OL than AH at the moment.
If you want to hand me my arse, you can easily do that every Friday night in the Squad Ops in the Special Events arena.
I just signed up on ww2OL lstorcho
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Who releases a shooter game where troops dont have a jump key command or ability? How about the ability to climb trees for sniping.... I can jump on a tank but can't jump up a stairway?
When exiting a river I should easily be able to jump the fence's but can't... Seems kind of lame, and the moto of the devlopers is realistic over playability... They model gas tank weight/consuption/trim every 3 seconds to just maintain level flight... But my rifleman can't jump over a puddle in the road..
Same old worn out excuses.....
Hey HT they charge $13.88 for a ingame name change! per incident!! they setting industry standards over at playnet...
IKON
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Originally posted by storch
while the CT certainly is a Ghost town now (last night at prime time +- 20 players) the game play is better for me.
I was getting tired of the 30v40 game in the MA the other day and took a look at the CT. There were only 14 in it but it was a BLAST. From what I could tell everyone in there was in a pitched battle between two bases that lasted for a couple of hours before I had to log. I think 12-14 is about critical mass for the CT, if you've got more than that it's all the more fun. Of course with less than 32 it is kinda like and IL2 limitation. I wish it had ~100 players per night during prime time.
As far as WW2OL goes...I like planes not soldiers and tanks, there are some realy good first person shooters out if thats your thing. Have you tried Joint Operations?
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Originally posted by United
Furball, that story reminds me of when I was in Andenne, except I was a French LMG. Didnt have near as much fun as you did. I sat there for an hour or more until finally a 232 and some infantry started crossing the bridge. Got that LMG to gun down 3-4 soldiers and then the 232 shot me up.
What handle do you play under and who do you play for mostly?
BTW: great shot in a bofors, since its a 40mm and all.:D
hey, it wasnt 1 great shot! it was 2! taking 1 wing off is easy, but both wings? :D
I play under handle of McCudden, i play there with a few ppl from AH. Im axis atm, but usually i am allied. If i or we are on, we use channel 69 if u want to tune to it.
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
I was getting tired of the 30v40 game in the MA the other day and took a look at the CT. There were only 14 in it but it was a BLAST. From what I could tell everyone in there was in a pitched battle between two bases that lasted for a couple of hours before I had to log. I think 12-14 is about critical mass for the CT, if you've got more than that it's all the more fun. Of course with less than 32 it is kinda like and IL2 limitation. I wish it had ~100 players per night during prime time.
As far as WW2OL goes...I like planes not soldiers and tanks, there are some realy good first person shooters out if thats your thing. Have you tried Joint Operations?
The CT is a gem even if it's 2v2 or 3v2. If the numbers get lopsided there are always those will to switch. The battles are ferocious against fairly skilled players with a modicum of BS. Tempers flare occasionally. I prefer the CT to all other flight games out there. I hope you will return Ed.
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Originally posted by storch
while the CT certainly is a Ghost town now (last night at prime time +- 20 players) the game play is better for me. I fly LW and know the distinctive sounds of friendly and enemy aircraft so many times I need only listen for the incoming and thereby make a decision as to what to do. The average CT player is more proficient than the average MA player. You usually don't have your kills jumped after taking 5 minutes to set up a kill in an inferior plane by a cherry picker, unless eskimo shows up on your side. The insults are usually more intelligent. what's not to love? BTW banana if you come back I promise not to hand u ur *** so quickly. Just identify urself and I'll play left handed. :]
We've all flown the CT. No need to defend it. I'm not sure what primetime is for you but I never see near 20 unless its Friday/Saturday evening. Most of the maps are oneside gangbangs with vets going off the handle when they die. You'll see me in there when the BOB map is up. That is a great setup. A fair fight for both sides and also brings in big numbers..... hmmm sounds like WW20l planeset.
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Originally posted by SunKing
We've all flown the CT. No need to defend it. I'm not sure what primetime is for you but I never see near 20 unless its Friday/Saturday evening. Most of the maps are oneside gangbangs with vets going off the handle when they die. You'll see me in there when the BOB map is up. That is a great setup. A fair fight for both sides and also brings in big numbers..... hmmm sounds like WW20l planeset.
BoB is on right now.
we had twenty or so on last night. the fights were phenomenal.
I don't like WWIIOL and won't log on any more.
As to the vets going off when you kill them, that shouldn't happen too much just don't tune ch 200 and let the "vets" fume and stew in their juices. I for one get annoyed when I'm in a 110 TnB'n with a spit and a hurri and two more show up to "help" other than that you don't see too much "fuming" anymore.
Sirloin was cleaning up in there last night with his artistic cherry picks. Be prepared to play and not to game the game and everyone will have fun. If not then come and do as you please but come.
Either way I'll try to ping you up a bit or clear your six as it were.
The fights between the 110 and the Hurri are especially good if the 110 driver is talented.
Come, take a break in the friendly CT we weren't shooting at you, only at your plane! :]
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Originally posted by Estes
well, the airplanes isn't the reason I started playing again.
The ground war is really fun. :)
I'm having hell getting any rank though.
come Axis and I will show you
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He sees that ct attendance has dropped and is trying to get people back in. But he's recruiting the wrong folks. Most have been in AH since the CT first ran and know that it never delivered on expectations.
It still doesn’t and imho has little chance to do so in the future. It’s simply a mini main with fewer players. There's nothing unique in how it plays.
In the future they plan on running it by committee. Not directly but the ct cms will be “elected”. It stands to reason that only those who run set ups that are popular with “voters” (voters meaning a limited selection of “motivated” players not necessarily all those who fly in the ct) will get “elected”. Seeing as 80% of the ct players are in Allied and most of those “Pac oriented” it will only go even further down hill. Pac setups already draw 3 to 1 allied because they are so ridiculously miss-matched and un-fun for the average potential Axis player.
Thats my story and I am sticking to it... :p
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BoB is on right now.
Yeah and we can read what you think of it right here...
going to leave this abomination of a plane set would you consider adding the 202 and the P40 to the lineup? Uncle sam had loaned cousin winston some. Uncle Benito gladly helped out uncle adolf with a squadron or three. If it doesn't upset the planet and knock it off it's axis please consider making it so.
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Just logged on and off at 13:41 EST and the population was zero players. May we please try another plane set? Does anyone agree or disagree?
Are they hired you as their CT salesman? :p
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Originally posted by Wotan
Yeah and we can read what you think of it right here...
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Are they hired you as their CT salesman? :p
Merely attempting to broaden the appeal. come on by so I can load you down with some friendly lead. You are about due for a round of STFU :]
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Aint gonna happen, aint enough soap in the world to wash the CT stench off...
Just thinking about the smell of farm boi is enough to give me dry heaves...
But good luck!!! You may sucker one or two guys into playing target drone for you.
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banana,
Never had any real problems killing panzers on the other side though.
People just doesn't seem to know how to deal those in something else than PzIIIH.
Just needs a side shot at the turret or hull and end of story.
(with stuart it's even more insane - you can kill PzIIIH from the side provenly at least from 1.8km! I've done it twice and few more times a tad closer, but still unbelievably far.. on the first time I actually was able to aim the turret!)
Try the same against crusader or matty, when you have daimlers all around you :I
Can't say theres same complaints..
banana,
yeah.. thats true.. forgot about it.
but its still like 12 matties if you like, versus 12 PzIIIH and then can have say 7 crussies and 5 daimlers with germans having .. say ... 10-11 PZ38t's and 1-2 232.
Of course theres the 88, but it has alot of limitations to its usage due to immobile and fragile nature.
Then both sides has a plentiful amounts of basic ATG's, where the 2pdr has a significant advantage over Pak36.
(Pak36 is having hard times against crusader and even worse against matildas)
My guess is that PaK38 will change more the gameplay than 6pdr - it's not much of a difference for german tankers, than it would be for allied tankers.
Matilda could be torn apart by Pak38, whereas 36 cant do squat.
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i think its impossible to have 12 matties in a spawn, the map would take 3 months to get that long.
3h starts with 5 at the first rdp, then 7 or 8 then next rdp.
Matty is the only tank that takes a pounding all other tanks die if u sneeze at them. 3h is second in that list, if u hit the sweet it blows every time.
The issue are on both sides, dont be side blind on this.
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Originally posted by CyranoAH
Fair enough, let's discuss this items:
1. Takeoff: I really don't pay much attention. While AH take-offs are very easy, I can't say take-offs in real life are that much more difficult. Even in a nervous airplane such as the Pitts or the Zlin Z-50, you can count to 5 and you are airborne. It is indeed easier in AH than in RL, but then again, in WW2OL I got the 110-rotocopter all too often...
2. Landings: All too easy in AH, agreed, but I can't say I like those in WW2OL. In this case, I'll give this one to WW2OL just for the sake of it :)
3. Speed: I like the new terrain in AH2, but I don't like the sensation of speed at low altitude of any of the two. Of course, it has to do with peripheral vision, so I guess it's a computer simulation limitation.
Anyway, for ground warfare, it's clear WW2OL is the best choice, but for flying, I'll take AH2 anyday.
Daniel
1) WW2OL takeoffs are for the most part ridiculously easy. The 109 for example takes off on its on virtually (startup lock tailwheell gun it and you're off).
2) WW2OL landings are just as easy... you can even thump it into the ground, drag wings, without worrying about damage.
The WW2OLs games a mess at the moment due to their last patch which brought more bugs than features, CTD's are rife, sounds are porked, netcode in the air is abolutely crap...
Bad time for a free trial. Its gonna do CRS more damage than good.
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Its gonna do CRS more damage than good.
Where I have heard that before? Release? Or the patch that was reported to "eat hard drives?"
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my God the game is so aweful you'd think they'd be out of business by now! ;)
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Originally posted by Udie
my God the game is so aweful you'd think they'd be out of business by now! ;)
Possibly, but the WW2OL crowd probably take one look or trial of AH2 and say the same thing. Air war to WW2OL is like the Ground War in AH2, laughable at best.
Personally at the moment I don't think there's any online game at the moment worth the monthly sub and that's including AH. I know it's only $15 bucks but that equates to about $30 kiwi less in my credit card each month that id rather put towards racing.
End of the day, they all have their own different shortcomings, some more then others.
...-Gixer
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Slo, you guys axis? if so what's your names?
I'm drakul in there at the moment and playing as axis.
This is Douce from airwarrior.
I'm squadless again and wouldn't mind hooking up with some AH peeps.