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Title: First Spain and now the Phillipines....
Post by: sling322 on July 16, 2004, 11:36:22 AM
Way to go!!

I am sure that your bowing to terrorist demands will bring peace to Iraq.

:rolleyes:
Title: First Spain and now the Phillipines....
Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on July 16, 2004, 11:39:10 AM
What? I'm confused... what does that have to do with peace in Iraq... or Iraq at all?
-SW
Title: First Spain and now the Phillipines....
Post by: hawker238 on July 16, 2004, 11:44:01 AM
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
What? I'm confused... what does that have to do with peace in Iraq... or Iraq at all?
-SW


He's saying it will show others that terrorism works, such as in the example of trying to get Western presence out of Iraq.
Title: First Spain and now the Phillipines....
Post by: Dowding on July 16, 2004, 11:44:14 AM
'Nothing' would be the answer to your question. The Phillipines were one of the nations in the '30 strong' coalition of the willing - i.e. a couple of dozen 'advisors' to make up the numbers.

On a sidenote, I'm surprised there was no comment on the Butler report regarding WMD published earlier this week concluding that intelligence about its existance was seriously flawed - but strangely no one was at fault. Which was nice for Bliar and co.
Title: First Spain and now the Phillipines....
Post by: AKS\/\/ulfe on July 16, 2004, 11:47:02 AM
I'm sure thats what he was getting at, but I couldn't help but laugh when I read "no peace in Iraq."

There won't be regardless for a long time. In any event, I'd be more concerned with our mainland - and other's too - at this junction.

We might be in for a big bang this election year... or we might not, who knows. I do know this, bananas are not good to eat when they are brown and liquified.
-SW
Title: First Spain and now the Phillipines....
Post by: ra on July 16, 2004, 11:51:14 AM
The future of Iraq will not be affected by this pullout, but the future of the Phillippines will be.  The Phillippines are crawling with Moslem terrorists, and now they have seen how spineless the government is.
Title: First Spain and now the Phillipines....
Post by: Gunslinger on July 16, 2004, 01:24:04 PM
imagine how stupid they are going to feel when the terrorists behead this guy anyways.
Title: First Spain and now the Phillipines....
Post by: Fishu on July 16, 2004, 08:15:55 PM
Just goes to show how hastily Iraq war was put together
Title: First Spain and now the Phillipines....
Post by: Gunslinger on July 16, 2004, 08:28:57 PM
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Originally posted by Fishu
Just goes to show how hastily Iraq war was put together


how do you equate hastily put together with a philipino hostage?
Title: First Spain and now the Phillipines....
Post by: SLO on July 16, 2004, 08:32:51 PM
1- they help you

2nd they think its time to go...added that now they're targets too

and instead of thank you for the help WHILE it lasted.....

you bash em....

ask for help in the future again:aok
Title: First Spain and now the Phillipines....
Post by: sling322 on July 16, 2004, 08:50:51 PM
So you honestly think that giving in to these guys demands is the right thing to do?
Title: First Spain and now the Phillipines....
Post by: Gunslinger on July 16, 2004, 08:51:36 PM
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Originally posted by SLO
1- they help you

2nd they think its time to go...added that now they're targets too

and instead of thank you for the help WHILE it lasted.....

you bash em....

ask for help in the future again:aok


do you not see that by giving in to terrorist demands you are going to evoke more terrorist attacks.

I hardly see how because of this you assume the war was poorly planned?
Title: First Spain and now the Phillipines....
Post by: Nash on July 16, 2004, 08:54:14 PM
Nope...

In this case... It's just as wrong as it was for them to give into the US's demands originally.

Damned if they do...

(k.... just being a sht disturber here. RUN FOREST RUN! :) )
Title: First Spain and now the Phillipines....
Post by: demaw1 on July 16, 2004, 09:08:25 PM
Well Slo, I bet u a dime to a dollar those phillipinos that fought bravely with my uncle in the phillipines are not only rolling over in their graves but are also doing a good job of cussing their sissyfied grandkids out
Title: First Spain and now the Phillipines....
Post by: SLO on July 16, 2004, 09:14:08 PM
I wasn't talking about WHY they are pulling out....

just the fact that when they help all is cool....when THEY decide its over you bash em just because you do not agree with their timing of withdrawel...

why can't you just say thank you for the help and leave at that....but no.....bashing is more fun
Title: First Spain and now the Phillipines....
Post by: Curval on July 16, 2004, 09:20:24 PM
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Originally posted by ra
The future of Iraq will not be affected by this pullout, but the future of the Phillippines will be.  The Phillippines are crawling with Moslem terrorists, and now they have seen how spineless the government is.


This is unfortunately the bare bones of it.
Title: First Spain and now the Phillipines....
Post by: Trell on July 16, 2004, 10:27:10 PM
Umm I thought i read that they were allready pulling out,  they just pulled out a month early.?
Title: First Spain and now the Phillipines....
Post by: demaw1 on July 16, 2004, 10:43:33 PM
Slo re pull out we bash them.

 SLO cant you truly see what is going on.Unless you are one of the terriost or muslim...u are a barbarian to them,they would love to kill u and you family right now.They saw a decent size power in Spain turn and run like...u name it...on there web sites they said they did not expect spain to do that. it isnt rational they see everyone as cowards and in the end be it 100 years from now they will win.Dont u remember what appeasment did with hitler and others.Slo please respectfully grow up be for it is to late.there are 2 plus billion of them,what are u going to do when they come for you and yours.What spain and the phillipeans have done has made us less safe,what france and germany have done has made us less safe.
Title: Re: First Spain and now the Phillipines....
Post by: Ike 2K# on July 17, 2004, 12:13:10 AM
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Originally posted by sling322
Way to go!!

I am sure that your bowing to terrorist demands will bring peace to Iraq.

:rolleyes:


You have no ****ing clue on what's happeneing in the Philippines right now...

here are some examples...

*Philippine economy and law & order is in shambles... They need rebuild their country first...

*Im 1000 percent sure that Arroyo's opponenents, liberals, ect would try to overthrow her current admin if they chose to ignore the terrorist demands.

Btw, most Filipinos believe that the US invaded Iraq based on fabricated intel reports from CIA.

:)
Title: First Spain and now the Phillipines....
Post by: Udie on July 17, 2004, 12:23:57 AM
^btw, most philipinos are wrong ;)
Title: First Spain and now the Phillipines....
Post by: Octavius on July 17, 2004, 12:57:01 AM
It's the principle of the act.  It'll make headlines.

Which is stronger?

"40 coalition troops head home."

"ALL Phillipino troops pull out of Iraq."
Title: First Spain and now the Phillipines....
Post by: CyranoAH on July 17, 2004, 05:34:44 AM
This will be my final post on the subject, as it will be very easy to cut&paste to other future threads.

1. The governing party in Spain, then in the opposition, promised to withdraw the troops from Iraq long before 3-11.

2. The terrorist demands were to withdraw troops from Iraq AND Afghanistan

3. The new government withdrew the spanish troops from Iraq

4. Spain just sent more troops to Afghanistan (bet that didn't make the news there).

So we are giving in to terrorist demands... right.

Most people in Spain were with the US in the war in Afghanistan to get OBL.
Most people in Spain were against the war in Iraq.

We withdrew our troops from Iraq. We are sending more to Afghanistan. I see the logic. Do you?

Daniel
Title: First Spain and now the Phillipines....
Post by: -tronski- on July 17, 2004, 05:47:47 AM
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Originally posted by CyranoAH
This will be my final post on the subject, as it will be very easy to cut&paste to other future threads.

1. The governing party in Spain, then in the opposition, promised to withdraw the troops from Iraq long before 3-11.

2. The terrorist demands were to withdraw troops from Iraq AND Afghanistan

3. The new government withdrew the spanish troops from Iraq

4. Spain just sent more troops to Afghanistan (bet that didn't make the news there).

So we are giving in to terrorist demands... right.

Most people in Spain were with the US in the war in Afghanistan to get OBL.
Most people in Spain were against the war in Iraq.

We withdrew our troops from Iraq. We are sending more to Afghanistan. I see the logic. Do you?

Daniel


Labor have been promising to pull our diggers out 'by christmas' for months if they win power late this year...no doubt it'll be spun into some rushed last minute "spineless withdraw" by the liberal govt. and Howard's best friend GWB. when it happens...

 Tronsky
Title: First Spain and now the Phillipines....
Post by: Holden McGroin on July 17, 2004, 06:03:32 AM
In politics popular perception becomes the truth: perception is everything.  If the concors populi says Spain and the Phillipines caved then that is what happened.  

Policies and decisions will be based upon that perception.  It does not matter if in reality it is removed from the truth.  If the people believe it, it is the de-facto truth.

sorry...
Title: Re: Re: First Spain and now the Phillipines....
Post by: sling322 on July 17, 2004, 06:56:53 AM
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Originally posted by Ike 2K#
You have no ****ing clue on what's happeneing in the Philippines right now...

here are some examples...

*Philippine economy and law & order is in shambles... They need rebuild their country first...

*Im 1000 percent sure that Arroyo's opponenents, liberals, ect would try to overthrow her current admin if they chose to ignore the terrorist demands.

Btw, most Filipinos believe that the US invaded Iraq based on fabricated intel reports from CIA.

:)



Thats fine, but bowing to the terrorists demands by pulling out a month early will only make it that much harder to stabilize their own country.  Now that the people causing the trouble sees how the Filipino government gives in to terrorist demands how do you think that will affect their actions in the future?  If anything, she just put herself and her government in a more precarious position by giving in and pulling the troops out a month early.
Title: First Spain and now the Phillipines....
Post by: Fishu on July 17, 2004, 07:20:19 AM
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
how do you equate hastily put together with a philipino hostage?


If you didn't understand, heres what  I meant:
It shows how hastily decisions were made concerning the iraq war and now those who found out they weren't thinking far enough are pulling out.

Spain was a good example... back then the administration weren't taking into count what the people thinks and what are they or the people willing to risk for this particular war.
Philippinos nor spaniards simply didn't think the iraq war is their war and therefore it didn't need much setbacks to pull them out of iraq.
If the administration would been smart, they would have never participated.
I guess they wanted to get in better relationship with the USA and disregarding their own people.
Title: Re: First Spain and now the Phillipines....
Post by: lada on July 17, 2004, 07:58:30 AM
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Originally posted by sling322
Way to go!!

I am sure that your bowing to terrorist demands will bring peace to Iraq.

:rolleyes:


and finaly US will leave Iraq as well and will call them small meaningless separatists or freedom fighters :D