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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: CurtissP-6EHawk on July 16, 2004, 07:28:43 PM
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Can you try this as an experiment?
P-40Es to Port Moresby March 19th 42' ????
How about enable 1941 planes at foword bases and 1942 planes at more rear bases. Reset map for tuesday and thursday squad nights. If axis capture bases, they suffer rear base P-40E fighters. If allies base pork, allies suffer the loss of rear base fighters i.e. having to fly 1,000 miles to the fight in a P-40E.
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I dunno if we'll get the P40's in this time around, but I was thinking of somthing like a f4f, p40e vs a6m2 and ki-61, I'll have to take a look at service dates and the performance comparision, sorta a late 42, early 43 setup with the focus more on the USAF than the USN ... just a thought I'll see if there's anything do it. I don't have any info with me at the moment to see if P40's and tony's every even saw each other in combat.
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"if P40's and tony's every even saw each other in combat"
They did--a lot. It should be remarkably easy for you to confirm that.
It just so happens that below about 15K they make an excellent match for each other.
The major problem with the P-40E is many people call it a dog and don't give it the chance it deserves. This is about the most even possible matchup in the pacific with the planes we have available and for once actually lets the Japanese side have the speed advantage.
J_A_B
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Righty-o I'll start looking into it.
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Ki-61 will own the P-40E. It will out dive it with ease. Remenber the Ki-61 will almost out perform the F4U
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Hawk is right, the proper match would be the Ki43, but......
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Like I said, ya never give the P-40E a chance :) Preconceived notions can be a difficult thing to overcome.
If you like I'll go to the DA with ya for some P-40E versus Ki-61 fights. While I'm average at best I think the P-40 would give a better account of itself in a dogfight than you'd expect. Unless of course you're on Shane or Drex's level in which case you could fly a Piper Cub and still spank me.
I am not speaking hypothetically. I speak from experiences. While I'm not a CT regular I do stop by for some setups; I have flown both the Ki-61 and the P-40E quite a bit. Some of the very best fights I've ever had in AH were me in P-40E versus Ki-61.
The Ki-61 is about 20 MPH faster than the P-40E. This is MUCH less difficult to overcome than the F4U-1's 40 MPH speed advantage over the Tony. Yet the F4U-1 vs Tony match is considered "Fair"???
Below 14K the P-40E versus Ki-61 matchup is fine. Above 15K the KI is definately superior but most fights aren't that high and the Americans also would have the F4F available.
At normal altitudes P-40E has generally similar maneuveraility to the Tony and I feel the P-40E has the edge in turning ability although it's very close. The P-40 will also out-climb the Ki-61 below 10K (bet you didn't know that!). Isn't turning ability and climbing ability enough of an advantage for it to be fair?
I've proposed this matchup in the past and it always gets shot down because "the Ki-61 is faster". Why must the Americans always have a speed advantage over the Japanese?
Seriously, aside from the usual assumption that the "P-40 sucks" I don't see why anyone would think the Tony is so much better than it. Yes the Tony is the better plane overall, but the P-40E can hold its own. Give it a chance.
J_A_B
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Originally posted by Grits
Hawk is right, the proper match would be the Ki43, but......
I really miss the Ki-43 in WarBIrds:(
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
Ki-61 will own the P-40E. It will out dive it with ease. Remenber the Ki-61 will almost out perform the F4U
You would think so, but the P40E is actually a better match for the Tony than most other US fighters. Probably this is because the turning capability is close, as is the climb. If I were Allied, I would rather be in the P40 than in a Corsair or Hellcat.
- oldman
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Heh, I spanked a spitfire pretty good in a P40B... I nailed 3 FW190Ds and a yak in a row in an HTH (okay, so I literally ran him into the ground 3 times, but they are still kills!). I out turned a mid-war fighters (can't remember which one, memory's fuzzy) -- probably a spit -- as well.
Don't count out the P40! It can turn... sort of. It also is meant to be used (like many planes) in numbers. Fly in groups and it kicks arse.
Frank hosts HTH coop arenas (or he did, at any rate) and he set up a P40 vs zero fight. It was a slaughter, I hear, in favor of the P40s. So perhaps the Ki61 (the only other jap fighter we have) will do better than the zeros?
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Obviously the IJN pilots weren't flying them right.