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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Nath-BDP on October 10, 2000, 09:47:00 PM
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The R8 was a derivative of the Fw 190A8. The R8 was a modifcation that provided the A8 with more armor, the armor included a ring around the radial engine intake, 2 'blinders' on each side of the cockpit, armor on the leading edges of the wings and more as you can see in this pic:
(http://pobox2.zyan.com/~nath/R8.jpg)
The R8 is basically a combination of R7(above) and R8.
The R8 was basically designed to be used by the Luftwaffe's sturm (Assault) units, derived from name of the Wermachts own infantry sturm units. The infantry sturm units would rush the enemy and engage them at close range with the aid of suprise. Similar to the infantry units the Luftwaffe Sturm units would also use a similar technique, although their targets would be the Viermot.
Sturmstaffel 1 was formed in January 1944 from the requests of Major Hans-Gunther von Kornatzki(sp?) for a unit that would approach enemy bombers from the stern in arrowhead formation. When close enough they would then move into line abreast formation and open fire with their devestating armament of 2x 30mm, 20mm and 13mm MG 131. Sturmstaffel 1 proved so successfull that the first Jagdgeschwader was appointed to be responsible for carrying out these attacks. The first Sturmgruppen was to be IV.(Sturm)/JG 3, the next would be II(Sturm)/JG 300. IV.(Sturm)/JG 3 carried out their first attack on the Viermot on July 7th 1944 with outstanding results.
In closing are a few reasons why I think we should get the R8:
#1 The allies got the 1C because the model for the 1D was already done and it would be easy to add another variant of the F4U series.
#2 Its an awesome bomber-killer.
#3 Its Luftwaffe.
#4 Useful for scenarios.
#5 Easy to produce from the A8.
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(http://pobox2.zyan.com/~nath/SturmJG3whitesofeyes.gif)
IV.(Sturm)/JG 3 "Udet"
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There are a whole bunch of useful A-8 variants that I would love to see. Add this one to the list.
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Think about it. With the way the B-17 guns work in AH, would it really be any more survivable than the current Fw 190A-8/R2? I think probably not. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
PS: Fw 190F-8 first! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Heres some profiles of Sturmbock 190s I forgot to add... these camos/markings are p1mp! Damn nice...
(http://pobox2.zyan.com/~nath/sturm.jpg)
(http://pobox2.zyan.com/~nath/JG300.jpg)
(http://pobox2.zyan.com/~nath/jg300a.jpg)
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(http://pobox2.zyan.com/~nath/SturmJG3whitesofeyes.gif)
IV.(Sturm)/JG 3 "Udet"
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Nath you know I hate to nitpick your posts, but none of those profiles show a real R-8 with both the MK 108 and the extra armor.
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The last 2 have the Mk 108s. The first one might be Walther Dhal's R7.
btw I said Sturmbock not R8s... so.
You can't realy tell if they have the extra armor or not, since most of it is inside the airframe.
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(http://pobox2.zyan.com/~nath/SturmJG3whitesofeyes.gif)
IV.(Sturm)/JG 3 "Udet"
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Makes you wish Superfly and Natedog read this thread, huh ?
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The cowling on those planes is not any different from any of the other Fw 190A's pictured in that book.
Of course this is the World of Weal (aka Fantasy Island) so who knows what the cowlings were like on the real planes! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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the cowling looks the same nothing is changed except that it was more 'armored' i suppose, it doesnt look any different than A5 cowling...
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(http://pobox2.zyan.com/~nath/SturmJG3whitesofeyes.gif)
IV.(Sturm)/JG 3 "Udet"
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Makes you wish Superfly and Natedog read this thread, huh ?
Yup, 190s need better camo/markings, same wit p51.
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(http://pobox2.zyan.com/~nath/SturmJG3whitesofeyes.gif)
IV.(Sturm)/JG 3 "Udet"
[This message has been edited by Nath-BDP (edited 10-11-2000).]
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Huh? What's wrong with the current("Pips" Priller?) A-8 paintjob? It's not much different from the top R7, except for the cowl and fuselage band colouring.
Btw; the bottom two aircraft appear to have the cockpit side armour, but not the canopy glass. The second one appears to have no armour at all.
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Good eye Juzz. Looks like the last two are indeed R8 with an incomplete armor fit.
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And maybe you'll notice the lack of cowl MGs on 3 of them. Well those are Osprey color plates so guess they might not be too accurate on such details.
// fats
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Nath, what do you expect to gain over the current 190A8 with 30mm (I assume both are Mk108's)?
Not that I'm against the R8, I just figure the performance loss for the extra armor would override what little protection benefit you would gain. Armor in aircraft is a relative term (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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Looks like Unteroffizier Ernst Schröder didn't like idle chit-chat in the air, so he pulled out his radio and RDF gear... I ask that we can do the same to the Fw 190A-8 to save weight, but lose the text buffer if we do.
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Huh? What's wrong with the current("Pips" Priller?) A-8 paintjob? It's not much different from the top R7, except for the cowl and fuselage band colouring.
Looks lacking compared to the P47 and other newer artwork.
And maybe you'll notice the lack of cowl MGs on 3 of them. Well those are Osprey color plates so guess they might not be too accurate on such details.
Cowl MGs were often removed to save weight on certain 190s. This was true especially on anti-bomber specialist 190s where the cannons were the mainstay for anti=bomber operations.
Nath, what do you expect to gain over the current 190A8 with 30mm (I assume both are Mk108's)?
Not that I'm against the R8, I just figure the performance loss for the extra armor would override what little protection benefit you would gain. Armor in aircraft is a relative term.
Worked well for the Luftwaffe irl :P
There needs to be a CM command that lowers buff lethality to realistic levels and/or a toggle for collective firing.
Btw; the bottom two aircraft appear to have the cockpit side armour, but not the canopy glass. The second one appears to have no armour at all.
The second one is an A-8.
There were 'blinkered' and 'unblinkered' versions of the R8, I wouldn't say that a 190 wasn't an R8 just because it didn't have the glass on the cockpit sides.
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(http://pobox2.zyan.com/~nath/SturmJG3whitesofeyes.gif)
IV.(Sturm)/JG 3 "Udet"
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