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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Urchin on July 19, 2004, 04:18:42 PM
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Niki, spit spit spit, nik, la7 la7 la7 spit p51 p51 p51 niki typh typh nik spit la7 p51 nik la7
P.. what the **** is a P-38?!!
la7 la7 nik nik spit typh typh nik spit spit la7 la7 la7 p51 p51 p51 la7 nik nik spit typh typh .
1... 10... holy ****!! a 109!!!!
nik la7 spit spit p51 nik nik la7 p51 typh typh p51 la7 la7 nik nik spit spit ink la7 la7..
Whats the point of the ENY value? Perk adjustment? Nobody gives a ****, nobody flies anything but the spit/nik, la7/p51, with the typh for when that fuel really has to go down.
Just take out every plane but the P51, la7, nik, and spit, replace the other planes with more paint jobs for those 5. You'll have a much happier fan base, everyone can have their own paint job. So even though all the icons will still be the same, at least the planes will look a little different once you are fighting the 6 of them.
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I fly the hellkitty, but i do feel your pain. The way I do it is to surprise the pants off them. When I own them up in my F6, they might begin to think their spit doesnt turn QUITE as well as they thought :)
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and don't forget to include the F4U plane types....or ......or I'll.............have to learn something else!!!!!!!!!!!;)
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Do I hear a call for the rolling planeset?
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urch you do know HT bribe link right????? im sure that might help in your quest to get rid of those planes.
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I doubt it
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Originally posted by Urchin
Niki, spit spit spit, nik, la7 la7 la7 spit p51 p51 p51 niki typh typh nik spit la7 p51 nik la7
P.. what the **** is a P-38?!!
la7 la7 nik nik spit typh typh nik spit spit la7 la7 la7 p51 p51 p51 la7 nik nik spit typh typh .
1... 10... holy ****!! a 109!!!!
nik la7 spit spit p51 nik nik la7 p51 typh typh p51 la7 la7 nik nik spit spit ink la7 la7..
Whats the point of the ENY value? Perk adjustment? Nobody gives a ****, nobody flies anything but the spit/nik, la7/p51, with the typh for when that fuel really has to go down.
Just take out every plane but the P51, la7, nik, and spit, replace the other planes with more paint jobs for those 5. You'll have a much happier fan base, everyone can have their own paint job. So even though all the icons will still be the same, at least the planes will look a little different once you are fighting the 6 of them.
Strange,
All I've seen this week are Zeros Vals & Kates, except when I flew Jap, then I saw Wildcats, Dauntleses & Turkeycats... Oh and that one Kittyhawk.
eskimo
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Glad I've been flyin the 38 n 205...sheesh
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all i ever see is la7 p38s and niks..
but rolling plane set would be interesting
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Originally posted by SELECTOR
all i ever see is la7 p38s and niks..
but rolling plane set would be interesting
warbird is -> that way. enjoy.
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I fly the Spit...pretty much exclusivley. It's a SPIT V tho...is this a bad thing? If so...My apologies;)
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personally, i like the way the warbirds planeset rolls. id like to see it happen on the CT maybe.
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Originally posted by Urchin
Just take out every plane but the P51, la7, nik, and spit, replace the other planes with more paint jobs for those 5. You'll have a much happier fan base, everyone can have their own paint job. So even though all the icons will still be the same, at least the planes will look a little different once you are fighting the 6 of them.
what would you and i fly then LOL?
im gettin real happy in my white skinned 109F.
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only way to fix this is adding the ki84
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Ki-84 would be nice, as long as it isn't an uber Ki-84....if it goes into a dive chasing a hog or 51, it should rip its wings over 400 :D ( wishful hoping )
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I don't know what you're doing Urchin, but I see a much, MUCH better mix than that. True, those are the most common, but I still see a lot of 109s, 190s and P-38s. Yaks, Hurris, A6Ms, 110s and Mossies are more common than you paint the 109 as being.
Way to go off the deep end.
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No, you are right. I played for at least two hours today with the Rooks down to 2 bases. I must have seen at least 4 planes that weren't Spit/Nik/La7/P51/Typh... I'm just having trouble remembering exactly when and what they were.
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I give Urchin's whine an 8. It's suitably incomprehensible while at the same time sincere. You can almost imagine the spittle collecting on his monitor as he angrily typed it out.
I wonder if he really imagines himself as a persecuted, noble experten defender of Luftwaffe honor, or if that's just a faux persona he maintains on the BBS.
Notice how he doesn't make any mention of his beloved Me-109 or Fw-190 despite the fact that there are more 109's and 190's flying around than the "too common" Typhoon. Or notice how he considers the P-38 (an easier plane for him to kill/run from in his 109G-10) to be not common enough despite it outnumbering the "too common" N1K2. But then why let logic get in the way of a good rant?
J_A_B
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Film your next session online. I'll film mine. We can then compare.
Of course we'll discount our own rides as we both have a tendency to fly things other than Spits, P-51s, La-7s, N1K2s and Tiffies. We'd throw the poll off if we counted our rides.
It'll be interesting.
Better yet, write down what you saw before you confirm it by viewing the film.
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One thing my post illustrates is that the AH ICON system makes it seem like there's less variety than there actually is.
Take the most common ICON, the SPIT--If you see 5 SPITS in the MA, chances are that among those 5 are actually 3 different models of airplanes. So there's more variety than you might think.
This holds true for any plane which has different versions all lumped under the same generic ICON. Clearly the AH ICON system is causing perception to differ from reality.
J_A_B
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I'd give J_A_B's whine a 5. It honestly makes no sense... and I suspect he thinks I actually give a **** what he thinks. Who is he anyway? Has he been playing long? Is he any good?
By the way.. dumb****... at least try looking up the stats *before* you attempt to make any kind of argument. I know that may leave you in danger of making sense, but it'll be worth it in the long run.
This tour, as of 7:20 PM.
Notice how he doesn't make any mention of his beloved Me-109 or Fw-190 despite the fact that there are more 109's and 190's flying around than the "too common" Typhoon.
Typhoon: K 9214, D 5964
My beloved 109... I assume the G-10 since that is the one I'm flying. K 6764, D 4627.
My beloved 190... Again I'll assume the D-9, since it has the most kills. K 8898 D 5165.
I'm not sure how math works in your country J_A_B.. but in mine... 6764 < 8898 < 9214.
Furthermore, I don't even think the stats truly represent the number of P-51, La-7, or Typhoons flying around since a typical "engagement" with one of those planes involves 2 steps. Step 1: Them diving on you... step 2, them running. No kills or deaths to record in those cases.
I wonder if J_A_B is actually capable of making a coherent argument, or if he is merely limited to tossing juvenile insults in an attempt to look like one of the "cool kids". Sorry bud... it just isn't going to happen. However, you can redeem yourself and go from being a mere loser to a geek (!).. all you have to do is attempt to form a coherent argument. What a deal.
Or notice how he considers the P-38 (an easier plane for him to kill/run from in his 109G-10) to be not common enough despite it outnumbering the "too common" N1K2. But then why let logic get in the way of a good rant?
Oops, missed this line while I was wading through the rest of your bull****.
Niki: 15757 K, 13582 D
P-38: 12515 K, 14798 D
Here you almost have a clue. The Niki is considerably more common than the P-38 in my experience, but the P-38 is used much more often to defend a field from GVs. In fact.. once you take out the ~2,000 deaths by various GVs... the P-38 has less deaths than the Niki... which makes sense because the Niki sees more use. Better luck next time.
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Oh, I just looked up the ****tards stats... assuming he is the same fine fellow as "jab".
I didn't mean to insinuate you were a bad person jab. I'm sorry that you are one of the chicken****s flying around in the runstang looking for AFK climbers to kill.
I'm not saying you are a bad person because you fly the runstang so you won't have to learn how to fight, I'm just saying it gets old seeing the same 4 (or 5, depending on the situation) planes over and over and over ad nauseum.
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Urchin - I like you. but I think you've been a masturbator. You have flown P51/LA7/Spit9 yourself in T54. Why? I haven't - in fact I haven't flown P51/Spit9/LA7/N1K/TYPH at any time in the past year.
I know it's frustrating. Get a damned RPS I say - and some proper size maps.
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Exactly why the MA doesn't need anything else modeled for it. Thanks for the additional illustration. :D
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Originally posted by SELECTOR
all i ever see is la7 p38s and niks..
but rolling plane set would be interesting
Say NO to rolling plane sets...
ack-ack
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Yea, Beetle, I've flown most every type of plane armed with different guns. If you'd take a look down in the Airplanes forum, you'd find out why.
Oh... and tar... I mean Jab... take a look at YOUR killstats, retard.Notice how he doesn't make any mention of his beloved Me-109 or Fw-190 despite the fact that there are more 109's and 190's flying around than the "too common" Typhoon.
****tards kills during this tour...
La7 : 20
Spit 5: 19
Spit 9: 12
Niki: 9
Typhoon: 8.
190D9 : 5
190A5: 2
190A8: 2
109G2: 1
109G6: 1
109G10: 1
109F4: 1
Yea.. if you add all of your 109 and 190 kills up.. you've killed 1 more 109/190 than you have Spit 9s. Of course, if you are going to add all the 109s & 190s up, you outta add the Spits up .. so you've killed about 1/3rd as many 109s/190s as you have Spits.
Way to prove my point, dumb****.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Say NO to rolling plane sets...
ack-ack
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Originally posted by RedTop
I fly the Spit...pretty much exclusivley. It's a SPIT V tho...is this a bad thing? If so...My apologies;)
fly what pleases you and forget the whiners....
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Jeeezus Urchin....get a grip. It cant be healthy for you to get this torqued off over a game. Have you ever been happy here? Ever?? As long as I can remember you have been nothing but pissed at everybody who doesnt fly what you want them to fly. I know you are "gud at flite simz" but man.....if anything ever pisses me off this bad I will quit before I go off the deep end....well except for golf, but thats a different story.
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I'm not pissed off. I was just stating a fact, then tardling decided to spout off whatever random **** was floating around in that toilet he calls a brain. I then refuted his "arguments".
Yeah, when someone random nobody tries to call me out, I'm going to respond in kind.
But that still doesn't make me pissed off.
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Wow I think I hit a nerve there! Someone give this guy a tissue to wipe the spittle off his monitor before it shorts out!
Urchin--I checked stats before I posted actually. I add up subtype totals because they share the same ICON. Hence you see more "109" in the MA than "Typh". What the plane is used for is irrevelant. Total of -4 points to Urchin, sorry better luck next time!
And yes I kill far more Spits and LA7's than 109's/190's. Maybe this has something to do with the fact that I dislike flying at high altitude and don't generally chase runners <> I certainly see a lot of them (as their numers in the MA indicates). Note that I also hardly kill any P-51's, DESPITE it being probably the most common plane in the arena. Mostly I am in furballs so not surprisingly the planes I most kill reflect that.
As for Juvenile insults? Well, I'm not the one who's using poorly masked, repetative profanity :) And I'm certainly not the one who has a reputation for ranting on private channels anytime someone shoots him down!
J_A_B
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"God this game gets repetitive"
Totally, the same ole whines, the same ole whiners and then the same ole schoolyard insult to come.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Say NO to rolling plane sets...
ack-ack
Rolling plane set of wb was so fun.
:D
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the clown tail is showing up a little more often, it may be on the edge of being discovered
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Originally posted by J_A_B
And I'm certainly not the one who has a reputation for ranting on private channels anytime someone shoots him down!
first off I am not sticking up for anyone here, but all I ever got out of Urchin on private channel, was an honorable or well fought........reason being is he don't tune to the open country channel or 200 all that often..........just saying what I have personally experienced and what I have heard through the grapevine....
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NO ROLLING PLANE SET PLEASE!!!!!!
Want that go CT PLEASE!
IMHO MA fine the way it is!!!!!!!!!
TY
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Originally posted by J_A_B
Wow I think I hit a nerve there! Someone give this guy a tissue to wipe the spittle off his monitor before it shorts out!
Urchin--I checked stats before I posted actually. I add up subtype totals because they share the same ICON. Hence you see more "109" in the MA than "Typh". What the plane is used for is irrevelant. Total of -4 points to Urchin, sorry better luck next time!
And yes I kill far more Spits and LA7's than 109's/190's. Maybe this has something to do with the fact that I dislike flying at high altitude and don't generally chase runners <> I certainly see a lot of them (as their numers in the MA indicates). Note that I also hardly kill any P-51's, DESPITE it being probably the most common plane in the arena. Mostly I am in furballs so not surprisingly the planes I most kill reflect that.
As for Juvenile insults? Well, I'm not the one who's using poorly masked, repetative profanity :) And I'm certainly not the one who has a reputation for ranting on private channels anytime someone shoots him down!
J_A_B
Jab... you kill a whopping 7 planes an hour. You aren't in any "furballs", unless you count you and 5 buddies chasing around 1 plane as a furball.
My K/T is a good 25% higher than that, and I'm not even in any furballs this tour.
And ok, you win on the Tiffy thing. The tiffy isn't overrepresented. The Spit is, with more kills than the first 14 fighters on the "overall kill list".
Oh wait. The Spit 5 and Spit 9 are completely different planes, with completely different functions. Or at least most of the time they are, unless it doesn't suit your argument.
The Typhoon has more kills than any individual German plane, and it is FAR more common than any individual German plane, even if you are some kind of timid Runstang pilot pleading a weak case.
By the way.. are you going to address your other claim? About the P-38 being more common than the Niki? Or are you going to keep trying to say that the "190 and 109 are the MOST common plane in the arena by FAR! Just nobody ever kills them!".
And Sunking... do you even PLAY Aces High? I've never seen you in the game, never seen you land any kills... all I ever see you doing is yapping like some rabid little lapdog that thinks he is a doberman.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Say NO to rolling plane sets...
ack-ack
aye aye
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Originally posted by Urchin
And Sunking... do you even PLAY Aces High? I've never seen you in the game, never seen you land any kills... all I ever see you doing is yapping like some rabid little lapdog that thinks he is a doberman.
Sunking has been around for a long while. I think he and his wingman placed 2nd in the 2001 AH dueling ladder. (Drex and eagle won).
eskimo
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Wow, must have had a great wingman.
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maybe what you saw Urchin was Taki's squad of spit's and niki's.....
but still....why you whining about spits and niki's....they should be easy prey for you.
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"190 and 109 are the MOST common plane in the arena by FAR! Just nobody ever kills them!"
I said that when? Oh that's right--never. Resorting to fabricating things to try to support your rant? Come on, you can do better than that!
"Jab... you kill a whopping 7 planes an hour.....My K/T is a good 25% higher than that"
If you care to look, I also average twice as many assists per kill as you do which badly affects K/T (flying a plane with 4 .50's does that to you), but why let things like that stand in the way of your chest-thumping? So you're a "gud pile-it"....good for you. Want a cookie?
And individual player stats matter in this duscussion how? Oh that's right you need to figure out something to try to get attention away from your senseless ranting. Unfortunately for you, your in-game prowess doesn't do much to make your BBS ranting seem any less foolish.
I take breaks from AH when I get burned out. Perhaps you should do the same. Ranting on the BBS probably isn't going to make you feel any better but you might find a break to be helpful.
J_A_B
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Like what you fly and fly what you like. It doesn't matter what others think.
The CT has a 'rolling' planeset. If you want to be limited to what you can fly weekly, head on over.
The MA is a free-for-all and will stay that way. It's a blast. I understand what you are saying Urchin but if ENY / Perk values don't cause players to try the older, slower rides, nothing else will.
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Originally posted by J_A_B
"190 and 109 are the MOST common plane in the arena by FAR! Just nobody ever kills them!"
I said that when? Oh that's right--never. Resorting to fabricating things to try to support your rant? Come on, you can do better than that!
"Jab... you kill a whopping 7 planes an hour.....My K/T is a good 25% higher than that"
If you care to look, I also average twice as many assists per kill as you do which badly affects K/T (flying a plane with 4 .50's does that to you), but why let things like that stand in the way of your chest-thumping? So you're a "gud pile-it"....good for you. Want a cookie?
And individual player stats matter in this duscussion how? Oh that's right you need to figure out something to try to get attention away from your senseless ranting. Unfortunately for you, your in-game prowess doesn't do much to make your BBS ranting seem any less foolish.
I take breaks from AH when I get burned out. Perhaps you should do the same. Ranting on the BBS probably isn't going to make you feel any better but you might find a break to be helpful.
J_A_B
Nice try JAB... I particularly like how you neglected to put in "and I haven't been in any furballs this tour". Trying to take the sting out of it by pretending I was insulting you, instead of just pointing out a... hum... exageration?
I'm not fabricating anything, I am merely stating out loud what you keep trying to insinuate. Perhaps you've already forgotten what you wrote in this short thread. I suppose I'll make the might effort to go back and re-post what you wrote, since apparently you have trouble maintaining a consistant line.
Notice how he doesn't make any mention of his beloved Me-109 or Fw-190 despite the fact that there are more 109's and 190's flying around than the "too common" Typhoon.
Urchin--I checked stats before I posted actually. I add up subtype totals because they share the same ICON. Hence you see more "109" in the MA than "Typh". What the plane is used for is irrevelant. Total of -4 points to Urchin, sorry better luck next time!
In other words, your argument is "There aren't very many Typhoons around at all. In fact, if you take 5 different planes with the same icon, it appears the Typhoon is downright rare." Actually... speaking of your kills... you kill about half as any "109"s as you do "Typh"s.
You are absolutely right though about one thing though, the Typhoon isn't used nearly as much as the La7/Runstang, or the Spit/Nik. You can even add up all the 109s together and pretend they are one plane and still only come close to the Spit 9's total. Of course, you would be loathe to admit that, seeing as how you think my argument has no merit.
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The MA according to Urchin:
(I made a little avatar for you)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/284_1090290805_ma4_20.gif)
:)
eskimo
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Cool :).
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Why would I be loath to "admit" it? The stats speak for themselves. I never claimed otherwise.
Initially, I merely pointed out that a few ICON types you failed to mention--most paticularly the 109 and 190--are as numerous as some of the ones you DID mention. I made the connection that you have no problem with people flying the planes YOU like, only the ones you dislike.
Oh and I mocked your presentation. Had you posted as you're posting now--in a distinctly calmer and more thoughtful manner--I wouldn't have posted at all. It is one thing to post something you dislike and another thing entirely to spew out an angry rant.
Argumentum ad hominem--
This is the fallacy in your argument when you keep bringing up my kill stats. Since you can't really justify your rant, you attempt to steer attention away by pointing out the unrelated subject that you're probably better in AH than me. Like I said before--good for you. Want a cookie?
J_A_B
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Wow and all this time I thought this was a game......You guys gotta let me know that the world revolves around a flight sim!!!! How can I lead the right life if I don't stress over what people fly? I mean come on even though they pay their own bill they really need to fly what we want. Oh yeah we need to forget about the people that are new to the game too. I mean come on how can they not fly a P38 or a 205 or a, dare I say it, a P40 right off the bat? Jeez....my whole view on this has changed. Damn the dweebs!
Urchin, not being critical of you bro but maybe, just maybe, you're taking it a little hard. I'm not denying that I don't indulge in the dweeb rides, but it's mainly to combat the other dweebs :). Take a couple days off and cool down if it bothers you that much. I'm sure when you come back you'll feel better. And besides, when you hate dweeb rides, doesn't it make killing them that much sweeter?
But hey, what do I know.
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You think this game is repetitive? You should have been around in the last year or so of Warbirds 2.77. Good god. Not only was it the same planes you saw in every single battle every single day...but the same PILOTS as well. Man it was aweful. It was the main reason I made the switch.
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Current top-10 of fighters, based on the number of kills:
PLANETYPE KILLS DEATHS
La-7......19779 15536
P-51D.....17829 17808
N1K2-J....16212 14010
Spit IX...12964 12857
P-38L.....12950 15403
Spit V....11333 11503
Typhoon...9739 6298
Fw190D-9..9256 5406
Seafire...7740 7256
Bf109G-10.7028 4850
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Originally posted by Polaris
You think this game is repetitive? You should have been around in the last year or so of Warbirds 2.77. Good god. Not only was it the same planes you saw in every single battle every single day...but the same PILOTS as well. Man it was aweful. It was the main reason I made the switch.
I was there. Agree 100 % (was Stevex) Did exactly as u have done.
As to the rolling plane set as quoted way above. They do that in WB but 3/4 of the pilots never bother flying the first 3 days of a new TOD. They don't like early planes, carbs, 303's and 109's with next to no ammo. Or just haveing a JU88 as a hvy bomber. Folk would return to the arena when the plane set upgraded to 1941.
I used to enjoy it though but I was in a minority. Hell, I fly hurri 1's now. Landed 2 kills just today.
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Originally posted by eskimo2
The MA according to Urchin:
(I made a little avatar for you)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/284_1090290805_ma4_20.gif)
:)
eskimo
Hell ... *I* like that one.
(Back to devising a cunning plan to steal more players for the CT)
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omfg a p38 is in the top 5. urchin just lost some moment on his top 5 whine.
maybe we should change it.
nik nik spit la7 spit la7 p38 la7 p38 p51 p38 p51
Hurr!!!!?!?!?! WHOA!
nik spit la7 nik spit nik nik spit la7 p51 p51 p38 spit spit nik nik p51 p38
109!!?!?!
nik spit p38 spit p38 nik spit p38 p38
see now that looks much better.:rolleyes:
(Btw Urch Down with pokemon;) )
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Urchin - fair comment. ;)
Folks urge against introducing an RPS, thinking that the absence of that will create "more choice". But as we can see, it's just an arenaful of the same 4-5 planes the whole time. That's what you get by NOT having an RPS. "Fine the way it is" I see some people say. Hardly. Karnak's just announced he's thinking of bagging it, and since AH2 with these diabolical small furball maps up the whole time, I've all but bagged it myself. Played last night for the first time in about 2 weeks.
Quite why people clamour for new planes to be added to the plane set baffles me. It's STILL going to be a lala-ponyfest - unless the new plane is even more uber, stronger, has more powerful guns etc.
The migration from AH1 to AH2 has highlighted the gaminess of AH1. And yet many thought that AH1 was more "fun" and some even bagged it because AH2 was less "fun". That shows that all some people want is a package of tricks they can use in their quest to pummel a fire button and make things go BOOM several times an hour. No interest in WW2. Just "waaaaah - I want my 1000 yd shots back because they were FUN" :rolleyes:
I always said the gameplay would be the same old, same old with different clothes perhaps. I secretly hoped I'd be wrong. The CT was like a mini MA last time I was there, with SIX ki61s gangbanging my F6F. Whenever I show in the CT, I would always check the numbers and choose the side with the lowest in order to create balance. But it seems some people just want a shooting gallery.
By the way, I don't know if kills/hour has any bearing on anything. It measures how busy you are but that's about it. The time of day, type of mission, map, numbers are all going to factor. I got about 17/hour in attack mode in T49 and ranked 13th on that particular stat. It means bugger all.
What would be nice is to fly realistic missions with realistic goals, and have to make do with the aircraft of the time just like the real WW2 pilots did. That would interest me far more than flying in an arena where so many people just want to prove how great they are.
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Originally posted by senna
Rolling plane set of wb was so fun.
:D
No it wasn't. Was forced to fly a spit the first couple of weeks of the rolling plane set until the P-38F was available. I still have nightmares from it.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by J_A_B
Argumentum ad hominem--
This is the fallacy in your argument when you keep bringing up my kill stats. Since you can't really justify your rant, you attempt to steer attention away by pointing out the unrelated subject that you're probably better in AH than me. Like I said before--good for you. Want a cookie?
J_A_B
No, I'm not "steering attention away by pointing out the unrelated subject that I'm better than you"... I'm pointing out the fact that if 109s and 190s are ever so common... why aren't you killing more of them?
In fact, 190s and 109s (if you count 10 different models as 2 planes) are a lot more common than a lot of planes, such as the C20X series, P-47s, Hurricanes. I'm sure there are others, but I'm in a hurry and not really all that interested.
But if you see more 109s than you see Typhs... why aren't you killing them? The Typh is faster than all the 109s we have.. hell.. your pony is faster than all the 109s we have. Not like they are gonna run away from you.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
No it wasn't. Was forced to fly a spit the first couple of weeks of the rolling plane set until the P-38F was available. I still have nightmares from it.
LOL! Yeah, that first week was bad - especially for Axis. Took me 8 days to get my first kill in a 109E one tour. As I would later find out, much of the problem related to iENs sucky connects, which seemed to affect the planes whose guns had a slow rate of fire.
I know you have your reasons for flying the P38, ack-ack, - we all have favourite planes, but I wish people would at least TRY to embrace the realism - of having to make do with what you had at the time, just like the RL WW2 guys had to...
...but no, folks gravitate to the bestest, fastest, strongest, most manoeuvrable, most powerful guns, biggest ammo loadout, best climbing uberpotato plane they can find. Every flight.
Very sad. (http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_9_4.gif)
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I said this once but it was prolly easy to miss--
Look up how many P-51's I kill--almost none--yet the P-51 is more numerous than almost anything. 109's, 190's, P-51's--all of those tend to fly high and extend early; I am usually fairly low and don't much like chasing runners. I see plenty of 109/190's though, 4-5K yards above me :) Hence the stuff I kill tends to be the stuff that's down low with me. P-51's are probably the worst for being altmonkeys; as common as they are in the MA honestly I hardly see them.....I see more Hurricanes than P-51's. I can only assume that those dots WAAAAY up there out of ICON range are the P-51's.
Yeah I'm a rather odd P51 driver, I get irritated if I have to climb higher than about 6K and downright annoyed if I need to go over 10. I'm happiest at 3K or less, like in the fleet battles where everyone is on the deck. Honestly if I wasn't so stubborn I'd be flying something else because frankly the P-51 pretty much sucks for low altitude furballing.
J_A_B
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Originally posted by J_A_B
Honestly if I wasn't so stubborn I'd be flying something else because frankly the P-51 pretty much sucks for low altitude furballing.
I'm just waiting for the first wise-arse to come along and disagree with that, and then saying that xxxxxx of the Purple Twilights can do it... waah waah waah pilot not the plane waah waah waah waah...:rolleyes:
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I'm not going to pretend I'm a good pilot because I'm not. I like fights between 10-20 K but it seems every time I find a plane Co- Alt we make 2 or 3 passes on each other then they will dive to a target lower then us, why? I find it boring fighting someone who only makes flat turns. I realy enjoy it when someone wants to E fight me. Many times I will see a target lower then me and will pass it up hoping to find someone at or near Co-Alt who wants to fight 1 0n 1.
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Dont look for the kills, look for the deaths. One plane can die only once per sortie, but can kill more than one target:
109G10 4897 deaths.
109G6 1621 deaths.
109G2 771 deaths.
109F4 2022 deaths.
109E 370 deaths.
Total 109s: 9681 deaths.
190A5 2515 deaths.
190A8 3695 deaths.
190F8 724 deaths.
190D9 5464 deaths.
Total 190s: 12398 deaths.
Spit I 781 deaths.
Spit IX 13007 deaths.
Spit XIV 217 deaths
SpitV 11703 deaths.
Seafire 7364 deaths.
total spits: 33072 deaths.
Typhoon 6382 deaths.
P51D 18050 deaths.
P51B 986 deaths.
Total P51s: 19036 deaths.
P38L 15564 deaths.
N1K2J 14234 deaths.
La7 15750 deaths.
La5 2093 deaths.
Total Las: 17843 deaths.
P47D25 868 deaths.
P47D40 4429 deaths.
P47D11 585 deaths.
Total P47: 5882 deaths.
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Originally posted by Urchin
Niki, spit spit spit, nik, la7 la7 la7 spit p51 p51 p51 niki typh typh nik spit la7 p51 nik la7
P.. what the **** is a P-38?!!
la7 la7 nik nik spit typh typh nik spit spit la7 la7 la7 p51 p51 p51 la7 nik nik spit typh typh .
1... 10... holy ****!! a 109!!!!
nik la7 spit spit p51 nik nik la7 p51 typh typh p51 la7 la7 nik nik spit spit ink la7 la7..
Whats the point of the ENY value? Perk adjustment? Nobody gives a ****, nobody flies anything but the spit/nik, la7/p51, with the typh for when that fuel really has to go down.
Just take out every plane but the P51, la7, nik, and spit, replace the other planes with more paint jobs for those 5. You'll have a much happier fan base, everyone can have their own paint job. So even though all the icons will still be the same, at least the planes will look a little different once you are fighting the 6 of them.
Sounds like you're hangin with the wrong crowd. But ya pays yer money and ya flys what ya likes.:rolleyes:
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It would be easier if these posts were formatted as such...
" Cool people shouldn't fly (insert plane type)."
I know it looks ridiculous without all the fluff and rationalizations, but it does with them also.
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Originally posted by GODO
Dont look for the kills, look for the deaths. One plane can die only once per sortie, but can kill more than one target:
Excellent point, sir!
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Originally posted by GODO
Dont look for the kills, look for the deaths. One plane can die only once per sortie, but can kill more than one target:
Total 109s: 9681 deaths.
Total 190s: 12398 deaths.
total spits: 33072 deaths.
Typhoon 6382 deaths.
Total P51s: 19036 deaths.
P38L 15564 deaths.
N1K2J 14234 deaths.
Total Las: 17843 deaths.
total spits almost double total 109 AND 190. wow.
total p51 seems to be slipping, good to hear, but what about the yaks? i seen so many lately you'd think they were a variant of a spit.
TY for the data collection Mandoble <>
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I do my part in filling the MA with the not-so-commonly-used planes, because it pleases me.
Originally posted by DipStick
Like what you fly and fly what you like. It doesn't matter what others think...
...if ENY / Perk values don't cause players to try the older, slower rides, nothing else will.
I think something could make people choose alternative rides, I've been over this before but I don't mind repeating myself.
Knowing that so many players care about their score, including ENY value into the scoring equation would make a difference. Not all players would care, for sure, but many would. If a kill in a C205 yields more score than a kill in a P51D, I'm sure many players would persuade themselves into flying the C205 a bit more.
What I hope such a scoring system would do is to make the MA more diverse, and IMO, more fun.
There's a nice side effect too. I believe the score would be more valid, at least it would be one step in the right direction. I can't envision a scoring system that would truly tell you about an individual players skill, so I'm not aiming for that.
Do I mean to suggest that it takes more skill to rack up kills in a Ki-61 than a SpitIX?.... Yes.
I don't really care about score, so this scoring system wouldn't affect me at all, oddly enough.
I just have a humble wish to see more plane models in the MA.
"Like what you fly and fly what you like. It doesn't matter what others think..." I would never disregard this mantra.
Plane/Perk/Score... You choose.
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perk the top 3-5 aircraft....even if its just 5 perks...........
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If HTC wanted to, they could "encourage" the use of the "lesser" planes by drastically changing the eny and perk costs of the now perked planes.
Like, say, at the end of every month the top 4-5 planes' eny is changed to 1. The least used 25 planes' eny goes to 100+.
Then greatly increase the costs of the most desirable perk rides. For example a 262 might now cost 1000 perks.
...in addition revamp the perk multiplier such that outnumbered teams reap HUGE perk rewards.
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Originally posted by Overlag
perk the top 3-5 aircraft....even if its just 5 perks...........
Why? None of those planes change the balance of game play.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Overlag
perk the top 3-5 aircraft....even if its just 5 perks...........
unfortuantly the problem i see with that is what "are" the top 3-5 planes??
if the most kills it is certain planes, if like Mando showed most killed it can be other planes, if it is best k/d then even different planes.
i am against perking the dora personally, because it does nto have any advantage over and la7 or P51, they both our turn and out manuever it, and la7 groosly out climbs it. the dora has no advantage over any of the current perk planes, except the Chog. all the others are faster and manuever better.
yet the dora holds a high k/d in the MA stats.
it has only 1/2 the deaths of the spit V, and less than 1/3 the deaths of the P51 & the la7, so it is obviously not used nearly as much... yet it almost always gets lumped in with the perk group when talking about the "top 5 to perk" or whatever.
go ahead and say i'm partial to the 190d, but the stats and performance dont lie.
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my top 5
1Model type Kills In
P-38L 147
Me 262 20
Ship Gunner 14
Me 163B 13
FM2 8
my top 5 of killers
Model type Killed By
Ostwind 14
La-7 7
Spitfire Mk IX 5
P-38L 4
Typhoon IB 4
Kills Of
P-51D 19
Lancaster III 16
P-38L 14
B-17G 14
La-7 13
Model type Died In
P-38L 32
A-20G 10
PT Boat 6
TBM-3 6
LVTA4 5
so all i can say bring more sissy stangs
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I fly the LA7 and P51-D as much as possible.
The LA7 is very nimble, brutal acceleration, good guns package and great views..
The Pony is quite maneuverable, great guns package, lots of fuel, lots of jabo capabilities, fast... just an all around great ride.
With rides like that, why choose anything else???
Does flying the better planes make me a dweeb?
And the answer is........
I don't care :rofl
BTW
this tour Urchin has 36 kills in a Spittie IV
last tour he had 65 kills in a NIKI
hmmmmm......:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Why? None of those planes change the balance of game play.
ack-ack
because it would make something different? its a shame to see so many planes go unused..........
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
last tour he had 65 kills in a NIKI
hmmmmm......:rolleyes:
LOL!! i remember that. He was getting pissed with all the damn niks so he said over vox (ok easymode time i've had enough **** from nik/la7/p51/spit's. It was funny watching imh land 6 or 7 kills at a time all day long lol.
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Well then use em :) Nobody's stopping ya!
Those "other" planes aren't un-used anyway. They're there for events and the CT. Not every plane needs to see use in the MA for it to havea purpose!
Some seople don't realize that the popular planes ARE essentially perked, except you don't get your points back if you land. Why is this?
It's due to the ENY value.
If I fly a P-51D I'll get around 2-4 points for a 4-kill flight; in a C.205 I'll get twice that many for the same 4 kills....so flying the 51D IS costing me perks. Adding injury to insult is the fact that it's easier to get kills in the 205 in the sort of flying I do.
Besides, get rid of the top 3 and then you'll just have a different top 3. Personally I think the MA's variety is fine as it is.
Want to make it look like there's more variety? Change the ICONs to show sub-type. Remember---you see a lot of spits, it's true, but if you see 5 spits, there's probably 3 different models in there!
J_A_B
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Originally posted by J_A_B
Want to make it look like there's more variety? Change the ICONs to show sub-type. Remember---you see a lot of spits, it's true, but if you see 5 spits, there's probably 3 different models in there!
J_A_B
true that....
although i think the that the icons should be changed somehow, so 4-6k it just shows if its friendly or foe, 2-4k it shows type of plane, 0-2k it shows class....or something along those lines
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
The LA7 is very nimble, brutal acceleration, good guns package and great views..
The Pony is quite maneuverable, great guns package, lots of fuel, lots of jabo capabilities, fast... just an all around great ride.
With rides like that, why choose anything else???
Your honesty is appreciated, and I'm sure you speak for about 90% of the community. How do I arrive at that 90%? I once went through every score in the top 100 for one particular tour. Only 9 out of 100 guys made the top 100 without flying P51/LA7/Spit ix. But the other stats data bears out the story too.
A good point is made in AKFF's post. It just goes to show that most players don't seek WW2 immersion. They just want best the plane for the job. "Crutchplane" was the term someone once used. :lol I think it was OIO.
I still don't understand why these guys fly a WW2 sim, when there are games like Quake and Doom out there.
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JAB, you are no fun to argue with. You need to use more anger faces (like this :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: ), and less smiley faces. Smiley faces in an argument are crap! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: (<---- see.. mad faces).
Yea, you are right and I exagerated. Still does get tedious though.. I think without exageration at least 60-70% of the planes I see say "Spit/Nik/La7/P51".
AKFF... I thought I had 100 odd kills in the Niki last tour, but maybe that was the tour before. I usually get fed up and fly the Nik/Spit instead of the 190 at least one day a tour.
This tour I've been flying the 109 instead, which is a much better ride in the MA, so I haven't bothered. The Spit IX stuff is all ground attack stuff vs tanks, with airplane kills thrown in if one flew over and bounced me. Tried the La-7 vs tanks, it didn't work out to well.
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BTW, the usage ratio of planes has been similar in the last years, actually I'm only surprised by the P38L.
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Ok, I'll try to do better. How's this?
T3H MA 1s T3H 3Uck! Urch1n 1s Teh L337 pile-it! He make ME MAD :o :mad: :mad: :mad: !!!!! He shoot down my p1mp3d 0ut p0ny too mucho!!! CHEATER!!!!!!!! Hack3r!!!!!!
:mad: OMG!!!! I'M GONNA QUIT!!!!! :mad:
J_A_B
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now u belong JAB:aok
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Urchin:
... I usually get fed up and fly the Nik/Spit instead of the 190 at least one day a tour.
Feel the power of the Dark Side!!!!
Join me and we can rule the Universe!!!!
er... ah... well looking at your kill stats I'd say that you could rule the Universe by yourself. :D
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Beetle:
A good point is made in AKFF's post. It just goes to show that most players don't seek WW2 immersion.
Well I can't speak for anyone else, but that shoe does fit me . :)
What I seek is to have fun in a competative on-line flight sim.
And while AH2 is a pretty tough game to learn, and often
frustrating, it sure can be a lot of fun :aok
The genre I perfer is WW1, wind in the wires, your scarf flapping in the wind, the smell of a burning Fokker or Phalz. The roar of a Hispano-Suiza, fire spitting out of my twin Vikkers...
Darn, the Nurse says it's time for my medication, C U :(
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I totally agree with fighting in what you're most capable in, but the 190d9 just plain pisses me off most of the time. The damn thing is just too fast. I can't count how many times a 190 has run away from my pony, or caught it. I prefer the catching cause then I can fight it but most of the time if I get on it's 6 it won't try and shake me it'll just run. I can't find a plane that can keep up with it. Maybe it's just me but I can never catch those damn d9s.
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You guys just don't get it.
Hate seeing all those La-7s, ponies, Nikis, and Spit IX’s? Tired of watching unaggressive dweebs run, or unskilled spit pilots drop from high altitudes onto your 6?
Who isn’t?
There’s a very good reason there are so many in the MA, though. It takes a surprising amount of skill to move past these mounts. When I first started AH, I couldn’t stay alive in the Yak I wanted to learn. After a while, I tried the spit with the same results. By my third month, I could do OK in the Pony and the La-7, but it was only after I passed the median – about 1500 fighter rank out of the 3000 or so who get ranks every month – that I successfully moved to a “real” plane. My KPD in the Dora is now somewhat better than the average for that plane, and I’m getting better bit by bit.
Until I reached that point, I couldn’t leave the despised quartet without being a flaming chunk of aluminum. I really believe that’s the main reason we see those dweeb planes so much – people just want to play, and their skills haven’t progressed to the point that other planes are feasible. And, if my experience is typical, it takes passing the midline to get past the quartet. That means that about half the players in the main arena are gonna feel bound to the easy planes.
So how best to deal with the situation? Seems obvious for me.
When we see players with ranks above 1500, we ought to take them under our “wings.” Give your lower ranked squaddies a tip each day. Tell them about that reversal, or explain energy concepts. Give them recorded flights. When a newbie question pops up on 200, don’t mock the guy – answer the question, and private channel an offer to meet in the TA for a half hour. You can’t rely on the BBS, or the help files, or the training corps. Realistically, those resources will only be used for by a few – and bottom line is that their valiant efforts have still left half the MA pilots below the vets’ desired standard.
It may sound like a bit of a hassle, but remember the payoff – FEWER DWEEB PLANES. This is for you, oft complaining vets. Rolling planesets aren’t gonna happen, and you wont see the easy planes perked in you lifetime. The best way to see them gone is to care enough to teach, teach, teach.
You can complain about the status quo, or you can make a difference. So what are you going to do?
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You can complain about the status quo, or you can make a difference. So what are you going to do?
Complain:D..................No, you're absolutely right, but a lot of experienced pilots fly the dora. That honestly is the only plane I don't like, I just can't stand cowardice. I've seen people handle the plane very well and use it's speed to fight instead of run. But most of the time it's just run run run run. But then the frustration goes away and I look for a different victim. So in the end, I guess I really don't care, I'll shoot you down anyway. I especially like the spit dweebs though. Spits are so soft.....doesn't take to much to pop that wing off. That's what I love about em. :)
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AKFF - Again,
for your honesty. It's impossible to argue against such an honest opinion! I've seen a lot of guys in this game say one thing and do another, but you're not one of them.
Simaril, yours was another good answer.
Originally posted by Simaril
I couldn’t leave the despised quartet without being a flaming chunk of aluminum. I really believe that’s the main reason we see those dweeb planes so much – people just want to play, and their skills haven’t progressed to the point that other planes are feasible.
I think a lot of people are just lazy or don't care about WW2 immersion. I would get no satisfaction from racking up kills in a P51, for example. BTDT. So I deliberately avoid the Big3, even the Big5. I've had no training in AH and precious little in WB where I came from. The trainers' hours were in the middle of my night, so no-go. (Important footnote to that - there was a trainer called ==sd== who bent over backwards to help me when the gunnery changed) So I learned by dying a lot and observing what had gone wrong. I'm not the most ambitious fighter pilot (rate myself 6/10 on that) but at least I had the desire to make things work without resorting to an easymode crutchplane™.
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How much dedication are we gonna require from newbies? I know the fire in the belly thing will carry me to continued improvement, especially now that I've gotten some satisfaction in other planes.
But are we realy saying that because we did it htrough "guts and hard work" that we should demand that from everyone who's gonna stay? Because if so, programming is gonna remain slow, it'll take weeks instead of days to work bugs out, maps will continue to be converted very slowly, and we'l continue to have to wait months and months for new plane models.
I don't want to see 20,000 people in the MA either, but remember that subscribers=resources=better product.
Imagine what the experience would be like if there were 2 or 3 main arena maps going at once, with 400 in each -- and we get to pick which one strikes out fancy. Imagine that one MA had a chronologically based rolling planeset. Imagine a CT or TOD that had large numbers of experienced palyers in at a time.
If we remain passive about bringing newbies along, if we expect them to come up with the questions, or come out and ask us to help, those things will never happen.
They could if we become proactive.
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Originally posted by Arlo
(Back to devising a cunning plan to steal more players for the CT)
Didnt feel like dealing with 4 on 1 gangbanging from Hordes attacking knights last night so I
gave the CT a try last night.
Numbers were 12 bish and 9 knights.
including myself of the 9 knights there were never more then 3-4 knights airborn at any given time. And more often 3 then 4. Seems all the bish were airborn though, Hovering at 5-7K and just outside of feild ack range and promptly swarmed anything that upped which ended up resulting in the same 4 on 1 that I just tred to escape by going there
If thats the way the CT usually is you can keep it.
I can get gangbanged in the MA and at least I'll get to see the names of different people killing me.
Ben to the CT about 7 times. Of those 7, 6 of the times it was lke I just discribed.
Now maybe it was just my bad timing and its not normallylike this but it impresses me as being
a MA in minniature.
Same horde and gangbang mentality. Just with less people.:(
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Didnt feel like dealing with 4 on 1 gangbanging from Hordes attacking knights last night so I
gave the CT a try last night.
Numbers were 12 bish and 9 knights.
including myself of the 9 knights there were never more then 3-4 knights airborn at any given time. And more often 3 then 4. Seems all the bish were airborn though, Hovering at 5-7K and just outside of feild ack range and promptly swarmed anything that upped which ended up resulting in the same 4 on 1 that I just tred to escape by going there
If thats the way the CT usually is you can keep it.
I can get gangbanged in the MA and at least I'll get to see the names of different people killing me.
Ben to the CT about 7 times. Of those 7, 6 of the times it was lke I just discribed.
Now maybe it was just my bad timing and its not normallylike this but it impresses me as being
a MA in minniature.
Same horde and gangbang mentality. Just with less people.:(
It really swings both ways in the CT. When I logged on it was as you described, then things evened out. There were many times that I saw a dozen high zeros to half a dozen low wildcats that were clearly in harm's way.
This set up has had just about the most unballanced numbers that I have seen in the CT. When they get even though, the Japs have the upper hand.
eskimo
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Originally posted by beet1e
Urchin - fair comment. ;)
I always said the gameplay would be the same old, same old with different clothes perhaps. I secretly hoped I'd be wrong. The CT was like a mini MA last time I was there, with SIX ki61s gangbanging my F6F. Whenever I show in the CT, I would always check the numbers and choose the side with the lowest in order to create balance. But it seems some people just want a shooting gallery.
What would be nice is to fly realistic missions with realistic goals,
Had hoped that my experiances with the CT was the exeption and not the norm and more the result of bad timing then anything but now I see you saying the same thing. Though for me it was my Ki getting ganged by the F6's.
Only way your going to get realistic missions with realistic goals is with the implementation of Strat targets which with the exeption of barracks and radar has now been rendered all but pointless to hit so as to wetnurse the furball and horde crowds.
Maybe when and if TOD ever gets here there will be something for the rest of us.
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You are correct Dredlock....it's pretty much the same except its easier to drag a con somewhere and have a 1 on 1. If ya get bounced at least its only by 4 or 5 enemies.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Had hoped that my experiances with the CT was the exeption and not the norm and more the result of bad timing then anything but now I see you saying the same thing. Though for me it was my Ki getting ganged by the F6's.
Only way your going to get realistic missions with realistic goals is with the implementation of Strat targets which with the exeption of barracks and radar has now been rendered all but pointless to hit so as to wetnurse the furball and horde crowds.
Maybe when and if TOD ever gets here there will be something for the rest of us.
A big part of having fun in the CT or MA is being able to read the map... look at the dar, bases under attack, overall numbers and figure out where a good fight will be by the time you up and get there. This is a very overlooked "skill" but is key to having fun.
Sometimes I'll just watch the map for 5 minutes before I launch; this sounds like a waste of time but it sure beats flying around for 15 minutes looking for a fight that is over or finding yourself alone under 10 cons.
eskimo
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Originally posted by LYNX
I was there. Agree 100 % (was Stevex) Did exactly as u have done.
As to the rolling plane set as quoted way above. They do that in WB but 3/4 of the pilots never bother flying the first 3 days of a new TOD. They don't like early planes, carbs, 303's and 109's with next to no ammo. Or just haveing a JU88 as a hvy bomber. Folk would return to the arena when the plane set upgraded to 1941.
I used to enjoy it though but I was in a minority. Hell, I fly hurri 1's now. Landed 2 kills just today.
STEVE!! Sir! I do believe I flew with you in the League of Gentlemen. -plrs- was my game ID.
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Originally posted by beet1e
A good point is made in AKFF's post. It just goes to show that most players don't seek WW2 immersion. They just want best the plane for the job. "Crutchplane" was the term someone once used. :lol I think it was OIO.
I still don't understand why these guys fly a WW2 sim, when there are games like Quake and Doom out there.
I'm not sure I agree with the idea of WW2 immersion in AH. From what I've read of the tactical manuals used to train pilots in the US, most "realistic" behavior is ridiculed in AH.
US pilots were taught to always fight from an advantage, and to never give it up unless necessary. They were taught to never let their speed down, using the hated BnZ set of tactics. Overly aggressive lone wolves were feared by their squadmates, because of the danger they posed to themselves or others. Planes flying without wingmen were viewed as more dangerous to the team than no thaving them their at all - they were a liability, not an asset.
The AH ethic of one man taking on the swarm, or engaging at a disadvantage like a heroic knight, is NOT historical immersion -- it's idealized fantasy. In a way, AH has Quake elements, like symbolic objectives, renewable lives and melee fighting -- but with a more historical movement and weapons model. It's not, however, a simulation of waht it was like to fight in the air during WW2.
(I am prepared for the firestorm)
Oh, and back to my original point -- historical immersion would require that newbie pilots would be adopted for their first flights by squad leader caliber flyers who would make sure they kept their noses as clean as possible. Many squadrons had little lists of rules for ground attack, or whatever, to minimize the high losses amoung new pilots. Sounds like some historical precedents worth adopting to me.
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The AH ethic of one man taking on the swarm, or engaging at a disadvantage like a heroic knight, is NOT historical immersion -- it's idealized fantasy.
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Well you're somewhat correct. It was greatly viewed down upon at fighting with a disadvantage. But when you're escorting buffs to a target, what are you gonna do if the enemy out numbers you and has altitude over you? Run away and leave the buffs unprotected? People fought agaisnt numbers and overcame disadvantages. This was not always so and often people got jumped by being greatly out numbered. But the fact is that sometimes you don't have a choice but to fight.
Yes, I know AH is nothing like RL in WWII. We're not talking about escort duties and such but then be careful how you word things.
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Originally posted by Overlag
because it would make something different? its a shame to see so many planes go unused..........
So what if they get used a lot? No reason to perk them.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by GODO
Dont look for the kills, look for the deaths. One plane can die only once per sortie, but can kill more than one target:
109G10 4897 deaths.
109G6 1621 deaths.
109G2 771 deaths.
109F4 2022 deaths.
109E 370 deaths.
Total 109s: 9681 deaths.
190A5 2515 deaths.
190A8 3695 deaths.
190F8 724 deaths.
190D9 5464 deaths.
Total 190s: 12398 deaths.
Spit I 781 deaths.
Spit IX 13007 deaths.
Spit XIV 217 deaths
SpitV 11703 deaths.
Seafire 7364 deaths.
total spits: 33072 deaths.
Typhoon 6382 deaths.
P51D 18050 deaths.
P51B 986 deaths.
Total P51s: 19036 deaths.
P38L 15564 deaths.
N1K2J 14234 deaths.
La7 15750 deaths.
La5 2093 deaths.
Total Las: 17843 deaths.
P47D25 868 deaths.
P47D40 4429 deaths.
P47D11 585 deaths.
Total P47: 5882 deaths.
The only reason so many spits have died is because spit pilots either:
A: cant run away (like pony or 190/109, la7)
B: dont want to run away, wants to fight to the death.
Alot of people seem to hate the spitfires, but surely the LW pilots in the real war hated them too? deal with it or play a different game.
I only fly Spit mkV never the mk9 or that POS mk14, i can never run away, i can never do anything but fight till i die or run out of fuel/ammo. I fly with a squad of dedicated spit pilots and none of us fly the mk9/14
Admitedly some new guys may fly spits just because they dont know how to fly a more complex plane. This is not true for our squad, we all know our ACM and our SA is exceptional, we fly spits because we love the plane, in AH and out of it. its as simple as that.
look at the Army of muppets, they fly P-38 almost exclusively, but they are not dweebs! they fly the lightning because they love it and know it well.
look at the JBs, they fly LW planes mostly and they kick arse in them, they turn fight our squads spits in true historic fashion and they take the game to the level that you whiners are missing out on because you see each Icon as the same fight.
"oh god! another spit, here we go again"
what you should be thinking is:
"my, my, this spit might be a better pilot than the last, maybe i shouldnt just use the same tactics over and over, and then when they kill me i will realise that they flew well, and wernt dweebs."
as opposed to:
"here we go, another newbie spit going to die....dives in....hey!...whats this? he is reversing on me! my god, hes now shooting me! ...this cant be true......im dead.....****.......he only killed me cos he was in that damn dweeb ride!"
NO. he killed you because you got sloppy and generalised the plane he chose to fly.
if the person who killed you in his spit is a dweeb in a dweeb ride then that makes you a Grade A chump for letting a 'dweeb' in a 'dweeb ride' kill you
ok rant over!
batfink
PS: Urchin, are you a lawer? or do you just love being a jackarse? :p
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LOL...Hiya Bat....CHeck the Squad forums....you now have your own squad forum to post in...CHECK IT OUTTT
Ill post there some stuff fo ya:D
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Yeah am with Urchinput in a RPPGS(Rolling Role Perk Player game set). And Put in some NPC Spitfire witj s[ecial items or the dreaded ghost plane of the net lag that drops rare items and you can then trade them to buy a special uber supercharger for your rig and then go to the quest of Lost whines in which you get the most valuable item of them all that you can use in the struggle give um a 100 experience points for each kills so they level up faster and put more fiends in the game yeah uh huh yeah yup yup yup yup.
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I just fly whatever I think is going to net me the most kills for that sortie under the given circumstance to stave off the enemy or to gain advantage if we are trying to take a field.
If one of our bases are being hit by mostly high-speed, high flying types, I go with someting similar. I like the spits and nikis and all, but they have hard time catching ponies and 190's.
If the furball is low and furious, I'll usually go with a spit. La-7 I use sometimes if I think I need to chase stuff down. It varies. I don't always apply any logic to what I fly.
I don't care about my score because I can't compete with those who have/use their vulch accounts. I'm not good enough to be in the top ten anyway even if the "score cheaters" weren't around.
My primary goal in the game is to win the war. I like coordinated efforts to take fields and I like strategic approaches to how we accomplish that. I prefer to avoid huge furballs and more than anyhting, I dislike skewed team numbers and gang banging. I like when the numbers are fairly balanced and the fighting is relatively spread out. To me that makes things more fun, but I also realize that isn't so for everyone in the game.
I also like gv battles a lot, especially in the new version. Unfortunately, the gv code is in need of some serious updating/changing.
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Originally posted by beet1e
A good point is made in AKFF's post. It just goes to show that most players don't seek WW2 immersion. They just want best the plane for the job.
In a way, yes. If I was part of 'the crowd' and had a little more time to play I would love to fly historic missions with matched planesets in a squad. I am one of the very few people too that loves the idea of a rolling planeset...
But I never progressed beyond the occasional 'lone wolf' MA flyer. Quite good at killing clueless people and surviving, but I need speed to get me out of trouble against a really good pilot. That's why I fly the P-51 most often. It's the best plane for the job! To my defense, I usually choose the 'B'. To lots of people my style of flying would be terminally boring but I just hate to get caught low & slow and losing SA in a big furball. I always want to have the initiative and always want to survive. That's my take on 'realism'. As I know my limitations as a virtual pilot I stick to that. In the beginning I was happy when I got a few kills in an FM-2 and managed to land them. But this got old. Now I just go out and try to kill people without getting killed myself.
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2 possible solutions to the endless la7/spit9/p51/Nikif......
1. DWEEB plane factory! Id bet yad even get Laz in a 17 eggin them things now and again.....
2. Mebbe a AH 'rolling plane set night...once a week, mebbe in midweek so as not to intrude too much at first...then see how feedback goes
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Originally posted by bj229r
2 possible solutions to the endless la7/spit9/p51/Nikif......
1. DWEEB plane factory! Id bet yad even get Laz in a 17 eggin them things now and again.....
2. Mebbe a AH 'rolling plane set night...once a week, mebbe in midweek so as not to intrude too much at first...then see how feedback goes
I always thought spitfire factories in AW were a great idea. Having destroyable factories for the Big 4 would give the buff guys a way to pee in the fighter jock's cornflakes, a good idea now that porking fuel is not effective. I imagine there'd be twice as many buff missions to the Big 4 facs than to HQs. Have the factories incrementally destoyable from light damage to totally destroyed to deprive that country of that plane type for 15 minutes to 2 hours. This would add a whole new dimension to strategic objectives. This would pick-up in the plane-set balance issue where the perk/enemy-rating system falls short.
Zazen
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Originally posted by beet1e
Quite why people clamour for new planes to be added to the plane set baffles me. It's STILL going to be a lala-ponyfest - unless the new plane is even more uber, stronger, has more powerful guns etc.
Beetle,
The rest of your post sounds like your heart is already set against AH2 no matter what changes. And, that's okay. But, you're right about the fact that a new plane will not prevent every geek from sticking with the fastest, strongest aircraft.
If HT won't perk the Uber planes, he ought to AT LEAST give us the opportunity to knock the damn things out of production for 1 hour.
SYSTEM: La-7 factory destroyed!
SYSTEM: N1k1 factory destroyed!
SYSTEM: P-51 factory destroyed!
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I always thought spitfire factories in AW were a great idea. Having destroyable factories for the Big 4 would give the buff guys a way to pee in the fighter jock's cornflakes, a good idea now that porking fuel is not effective. I imagine there'd be twice as many buff missions to the Big 4 facs than to HQs. Have the factories incrementally destoyable from light damage to totally destroyed to deprive that country of that plane type for 15 minutes to 2 hours. This would add a whole new dimension to strategic objectives. This would pick-up in the plane-set balance issue where the perk/enemy-rating system falls short.
Zazen
Agreed!
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Jeez Urchin, what time and country you fly for?
All I see is N1K2, P51D, 109, 190, Spit, La7, P38...... think it must be time for a change of countries to see different aircraft being flown!
If you want to fly against 109s/190s then fly Bish - I think all the Luftwaffe squads are either Rook or Knight and you're guaranteed to be fighting 109s or 190s daily.
If you want to fly against RAF stuff then fight Bish - I think most the RAF squads are Bishop.
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Originally posted by TBolt A-10
The rest of your post sounds like your heart is already set against AH2 no matter what changes.
No, don't get me wrong. AH is a brilliant game. It's the gameplay that sucks. Not much that HTC can do about that. The larger maps would help; I personally like the pizza map for its diversity, and the spread out front line which means that combat can break out anywhere instead of being focussed between two airfields while the rest of the airfields are idle.
Also, please understand that I think AH2 is a HUGE step forward from AH1 because of the gunnery and flight models revisions which, IMO, were far more important than any graphics revisions - good thought those have been too.
But wait a minute - I think you guys have hit upon something! The LA7, P51 and N1K factories! Given that so many players are fed up of seeing the opposition resort to easymode crutchplanes™, I'm sure there would be a ready supply of volunteers to whack the easymode factories! :aok:lol
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Originally posted by TBolt A-10
If HT won't perk the Uber planes, he ought to AT LEAST give us the opportunity to knock the damn things out of production for 1 hour.
What makes these planes uber? I just don't see why you think these planes are 'uber' just because a lot like to fly them.
ack-ack
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Agree -- if they were uber planes, their all arena KPD ratio would be very high. In point of fact, the higher KPD's are among the tougher planes.
And that's because the tougher planes are flown by tougher pilots.
If you're tired of seeing the big 5, I can understand that -- there are a lot of them. However, perking, blasting the factories, or whatever would be counterporductive for AH -- because the less capable subscribers would get uniformly toasted in the tougher planes, if they have trouble with the "easy" ones!!
So, limiting the "easy" planes will drive less capable people away from the game. The vets might like having fewer ponies in the air, but without the dweebs and the journeymen AH could not be financially sound -- and would likely go the way of AW.
So do you really want to limit their fun, and drive away the guys who help pay your frieght?
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
What makes these planes uber? I just don't see why you think these planes are 'uber' just because a lot like to fly them.
ack-ack
Ack-Ack ,
Get your pen and Paper ready....Your going to get at least 10 reasons they're uber. At least 10 reasons why guys fly em.
This will probably be more than you wanted to know Ack-Ack. :lol
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
What makes these planes uber? I just don't see why you think these planes are 'uber' just because a lot like to fly them.
Urchin himself said it best, some time ago. His words were something like "There's a reason that planes like the P51, LA7 & Spit9 are as popular as they are - and we all know what that reason is".
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Originally posted by beet1e
Urchin himself said it best, some time ago. His words were something like "There's a reason that planes like the P51, LA7 & Spit9 are as popular as they are - and we all know what that reason is".
Maybe , just maybe...The planes some of the "Elite" guys like to fly to prove their manhood , are just harder than they think , and they in turn aren't all they thought they were?
I mean I know my place in the Arena:) It's in the tower. I have a seat in every Knight Tower on each map with my name on it. I play Traffic Controller for the Knights most of the time. :lol
"Spit IX you are cleared for takeoff Runway SW. NIK1 you are cleared for take off runway NE. P-51D you are cleared for takeoff runway East. All Flights climb to 25k for intercept of Elite Type Aircraft. Use extreme caution when Engaging due to HiWhine Factor after intial HO Pass.
All LA7 flights you are cleared for UBER Climb and Extreme Speed Cruise at 27500 for High Cover of other Slightly less Uber Aircraft. Please HO all 190's and 109's. If in trouble you are instructed to dive away at mach 4 and return to base for Clever Retort of Said whines after Sortie"
:lol
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Originally posted by RedTop
Ack-Ack ,
Get your pen and Paper ready....Your going to get at least 10 reasons they're uber. At least 10 reasons why guys fly em.
This will probably be more than you wanted to know Ack-Ack. :lol
The main reason why people fly the P-51D, N1K2, La7 and the Spitfire Mk IX is that they are relatively easy to fly and very forgiving to new pilots. That hardly makes them uber. These planes are just as easy to shoot down as any other plane in the plane set. It all just boils down to good tactics and good flying.
ack-ack
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I never thought p51D was an 'easy-mode' type plane...it only comes off like that when guys like steve fly it...now La7..#^$%^$#%^$%^$%#...its the flat out FASTEST $@$%$% non-perkie in MA...as fast as 70 point f4u4 at low alt.....still turns reasonably well compared to 51 or D9.......stall speed turning compares with G6..and it passes 550 in dive sans appreciable compression or losing wings....PRETTY $#%$#%$% remarkable for a $#@$#@ plywood radial engine plane...mutter mutter
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Urchin just figured out that this game is repetitive.
What's your next trick dude? :D
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Originally posted by bj229r
I never thought p51D was an 'easy-mode' type plane...it only comes off like that when guys like steve fly it...now La7..#^$%^$#%^$%^$%#...its the flat out FASTEST $@$%$% non-perkie in MA...
Which the performance drops off dramatically above 16,000ft. Hardly an uber plane by any stretch of the imagination.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Which the performance drops off dramatically above 16,000ft. Hardly an uber plane by any stretch of the imagination.
ack-ack
Good point except 95% of all fights either start or end up below 10K. Any altitude above 10k is more or less just an assurance that it will be much more unlikely you will begin a typical engagement at a disadvantage. So, the aforementioned qualities of the La7 far outweight it's deficiencies at higher altitudes.
If high altitude performance (15k+) were critical we'd see alot more planes suited to that niche getting play time ie: Ta-152, Jug's (not for jabo), etc. The perk/rating system is biased againt planes that perform well high where very few engagements actually occur. While those with a relative monopoly on low altitude performance, where the vast majority of fights occur, remain unperked.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Which the performance drops off dramatically above 16,000ft. Hardly an uber plane by any stretch of the imagination.
ack-ack
I've flown in all 3 versions of Air Warrior and both versions of Aces High, and I can probably count on one hand the number of times I've started & finished a fight at or above 16,000 feet. :rolleyes: :lol
Just curious, Ack-ack, do you spend a lot of time in the La-7?
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Originally posted by TBolt A-10
I've flown in all 3 versions of Air Warrior and both versions of Aces High, and I can probably count on one hand the number of times I've started & finished a fight at or above 16,000 feet. :rolleyes: :lol
Just curious, Ack-ack, do you spend a lot of time in the La-7?
Exactly T-Bolt, we posted at the same time. heh
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Exactly T-Bolt, we posted at the same time. heh
:lol Actually, you beat me to the punch. But, considering I agree with you strongly on this issue, I thought I would throw in my 2 cents. ;)
The La-7 is Uber no matter how hard ack-ack tries to argue differently.
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The Lala should be uber in a dogfight ... it's the only thing it was designed to do, and the only thing it can do. It can't carry ord or extra fuel. Its range is minimalistic at best. It's a short range dragster with a single purpose: To kill other fighters.
Given equality in E and pilot skill I'll bet on the Lala every time. Which is why I don't fly it, it's hardly a challenge.
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Originally posted by TBolt A-10
Just curious, Ack-ack, do you spend a lot of time in the La-7?
Nope, only fly the P-38L as a fighter. That's not saying I haven't flown the La7 though.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Nope, only fly the P-38L as a fighter. That's not saying I haven't flown the La7 though.
ack-ack
cc. I'd rather limp home in an old 'n busted P-38 with one engine, leaking fuel and oil and broken landing gear than fly a brand-new LaLa. :D
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Here (http://www.netaces.org/ahplanes/comparisons/acceloverview.htm#title) is why the La7 is uber. It accelerates so fast that a La7 pilot that is completely careless with E can trump good E managment in most of the planeset. In many instances it can merge, pull a 180, and run down the other plane going straight with wep. Actually out of the big4 whine planes, that is the only one I feel is a problem.
I could care less if all I see is spits, niks, and ponies most of the time.
akak has a career total of 2 kills and 2 deaths in la7 ;)
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Originally posted by Murdr
Here (http://www.netaces.org/ahplanes/comparisons/acceloverview.htm#title) is why the La7 is uber. It accelerates so fast that a La7 pilot that is completely careless with E can trump good E managment in most of the planeset.
akak has a career total of 2 kills and 2 deaths in la7 ;)
Well, it should be said that those figures probably need to be updated now that we rolled over to AH2. I don't think the comparison will change all that much, though.
The http://www.netaces.org webmaster, HaMmeR, is in active duty overseas. Who knows when the data will be updated.
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Thanks, Murdr. You've cheered me up! I looked at your link and I see that my F4U is a piss-poor plane in terms of acceleration. I already knew it was PP in terms of turning ability and climb rate. So now I need not feel so bad.
GScholz said "Given equality in E and pilot skill I'll bet on the Lala every time. Which is why I don't fly it, it's hardly a challenge." - my feelings entirely.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Nope, only fly the P-38L as a fighter. That's not saying I haven't flown the La7 though.
ack-ack
I am proud to say I have never, ever, ever in my entire life, flown an La7. I just kill them with extreme prejudice. ;)
Zazen
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Oh, thats hardly fair at all to the LGay-7... given a slightly below average pilot and a marked disadvantage in E I'd still say the Lga7 has about an 80/20 shot at winning, no matter how good the other guy is.
By the way Karnak, I took you up on your challenge and filmed a "typical sortie". I upped a 190A5, flew over towards where a red bar was before the HQ got hit. Arrived at the field, saw one con circling in his ack, left, Morph got there, I decided to come back, it was an L-Gay (personally speaking, I was just shocked). Speaking before I review the film, I'd say at least 90% of the planes that will be on film are, well, you guess. Me and Morph are in 190s.
I'll edit this to let you know the results.
Film was 21 minutes long. Two friendly niks, 4 enemy Lgay's, 1 enemy spit, and 1 enemy yak were the only fighters I saw. So 90% is slightly off, 7/8 isn't bad though.
There was 1 enemy B-17, 1 enemy 190, 1 friendly 109 that never entered icon range, and 1 enemy C-47 coming into the base that I decided to go strafe (bad decision on my part, as getting within 10,000 feet of an el gay pretty much nuetralizes any chance of getting away.
If you'd like to see a real heart-pounding "fight" of some sissy in an El-gay hovering around waiting for his friends to show up I'll mail you the film.
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Here is a neat stat nobody'll care about
Tour 54:
The La-7 has 26 kills and has been killed 16 times against the Ta 152H.
The La-7 has 21 kills and has been killed 17 times against the F4U-4.
The La-7 has 23 kills and has been killed 22 times against the Spitfire Mk XIV.
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Originally posted by Urchin
Here is a neat stat nobody'll care about
Tour 54:
The La-7 has 26 kills and has been killed 16 times against the Ta 152H.
The La-7 has 21 kills and has been killed 17 times against the F4U-4.
The La-7 has 23 kills and has been killed 22 times against the Spitfire Mk XIV.
Hmmm...let me get this straight...are you trying to tell us that the La-7 is better than the 152, F4U-4 & Spit XIV? ;)
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under 10k my money on la7 driver against ANYthin except jet
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Originally posted by bj229r
under 10k my money on la7 driver against ANYthin except jet
Ill take that.. Your LA7 against me. :aok
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Originally posted by bj229r
under 10k my money on la7 driver against ANYthin except jet
na, a la7 will eat a Jet alive in this game.......stupid bugged 262........
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Fix: Promote the Combat Theater - its always fun with 100 or more people playing
I dont know why hardly anyone plays there? Its hella fun with alot of people.
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The problem with lala is that in RL it was designed for pilots without skills. And it had succed in this.
The Dweeb ride in AH it was a dweeb ride in reality.
Never forget this. It was the FW killer.
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Whenever i feel like maybe loading this game to my hard drive again, I thank posts like these for setting me straight.
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im all for the factory idea which is not NEW! or for the rolling planeset i would rather see the factory
i never knew it was nothing but skill-less HO running dweebs that flew these LA7s P51s
should keep in mind that alot of very good pliots fly these to if that was not true then we would see more rare aircraft flying
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Originally posted by bj229r
under 10k my money on la7 driver against ANYthin except jet
Thats a deal ... tell me where your La-7 will be and I will bring my Spit V and my money ... anytime ... any place.
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Originally posted by simshell
im all for the factory idea which is not NEW! or for the rolling planeset i would rather see the factory
i never knew it was nothing but skill-less HO running dweebs that flew these LA7s P51s
should keep in mind that alot of very good pliots fly these to if that was not true then we would see more rare aircraft flying
If it's not a skill-less HO dweeb it's a very good pilot without gonads, the rest of us try to fly something that pushes our skills instead of a dweebhunt machine.
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I forgot to mention that the usual temp in lala copckit was 40c .
Very hot place to fight, and his engine had a life of 7 hours.
Many soviet aces was born in this cockpit. This plane gave the first
victories over Stalingrand and Kourtstk,and air superiority in rusian sky. (This include La5).
Ofcourse many newbs like it because it was designed for them.
Its a very good field defender.
BUT big sticks are good whatever they fly.
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Originally posted by TBolt A-10
The La-7 is Uber no matter how hard ack-ack tries to argue differently.
It's been my experience that this plane isn't as uber as everyone think it is.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Murdr
akak has a career total of 2 kills and 2 deaths in la7 ;)
Those were from the fights I had with Shane awhile back IIRC.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Thats a deal ... tell me where your La-7 will be and I will bring my Spit V and my money ... anytime ... any place.
I wanna watch !!!!!!!!!!! :aok
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*It's been my experience that this plane isn't as uber as everyone think it is.*
Well Akak you can say its not That uber.
In speed it is uber, and this propably make it dweeb plane in ah.
In climb its again from the best.
In t&b i would not say it uber. Just mediocre. But his fast accelaration make the high and low yo-yos & lala a deadly compination.
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Originally posted by Hades55
[BBut his fast accelaration make the high and low yo-yos & lala a deadly compination. [/B]
And a plane with superior vertical performance can hang with the La7 in those maneuvers and get a shot on it. It's speed is it's only real tangible asset. Once it blows that, it's pretty much a dead duck.
ack-ack
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under 10k my money on la7 driver against ANYthin except jet
ROFL, I'll take a P40E and wax the la7's arse w/ it.
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You say so...
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You gou guys who think you can take a half decent flown la7 below 10k are kidding yourselves. Sure you can kill all the novices who fly them in MA, but then they are they targets in whatever they fly.
It dictates the fight with it's brutal speed and acceleration.
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No, actually I'm pretty sure I can do it. The La7 sucks the most when they run you down when yer low fuel/ammo on the way home and they make you break and the horde then catches you.
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Originally posted by Stang
and the horde then catches you.
Do you mean the horde of La7s pursuing other La7s, right?
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Originally posted by Stang
No, actually I'm pretty sure I can do it. The La7 sucks the most when they run you down when yer low fuel/ammo on the way home and they make you break and the horde then catches you.
Yup, that's the lamest part of the Lgay7. Some guys just wait on the outskirts of a fight waiting for people to go bingo ammo/fuel just to run them down on the way home. :rolleyes:
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Yup, that's the lamest part of the Lgay7. Some guys just wait on the outskirts of a fight waiting for people to go bingo ammo/fuel just to run them down on the way home. :rolleyes:
Zazen
kind of like how the P51Ds vulched the ME262s landing in WW2
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The La-7 is not a dweeb ride, anymore than any other plane in the game. You guys are flat silly. The ones screaming they are dweeb rides are the ones thinking that everyone else needs to subscribe to what they consider the "reasons" are to fly what they fly. What I mean is, not everyone flies something because they are looking for a particular "challenge" in a dogfight via the plane type.
The "challenge" is different for everybody. The challenge for me is to win the war while being consistently out numbered on a regular basis (in the evenings...and especially on sundays, right rooks?).
To you "plane type" people, your self proclaimed status based on what one flies means nothing to me. I fly the la-7, the spit and even the niki on occasion because I intend to go into a fight with any and all advantages I can garner....kinda makes sense to me. Why would I want to willingly place myself in a disadvantageous position just to become a notch on someone's brag sheet? That's stupid.
Then again, not everyone has the desire or the ambition to "master" every aircraft in the game either. I particularly loathe flying any of the 109's, although I will use the G-10 to chase buffs since its climb rate and guns make it fairly decent at that, but for dogfighting, I absolutely hate the 109. The 190's aren't much better, but the D-9 is ok sometimes to fight high alt, fast fighters.
So does this make me a dweeb? In some of your elitist eyes it might, but ya know what? It's my $16 a month, I don't really care :D
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Hmm I really like the 109's for fightin or buff hunting :confused:
In fact got tired of the La7 runnin me down in almost everything else so started flyin the 109G10's in defence. Kinda thought of the spit as a little too slow for catchin La7's. Tried a Niki early on but seemed kinda slow as well.
Started out with the g10 no gonds and gradually got used to it and added gonds. IMHO it's a great ride. Got it's little oddities but still a nice ride :)
But hey I find I agree with what AKWarp says and SIR.