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Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: NUKE on July 19, 2004, 09:11:59 PM
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President Clinton's national security adviser, Sandy Berger, is the focus of a Justice Department investigation after removing highly classified terrorism documents and handwritten notes from a secure reading room during preparations for the Sept. 11 commission hearings, The Associated Press has learned.



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The officials said the missing documents were highly classified, and included critical assessments about the Clinton administration's handling of the millennium terror threats as well as identification of America's terror vulnerabilities at airports to sea ports.


sure, he accidently took the documents that just happened to be critical of Clinton, then inadvertantly "lost" them.


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"In the course of reviewing over several days thousands of pages of documents on behalf of the Clinton administration in connection with requests by the Sept. 11 commission, I inadvertently took a few documents from the Archives," Berger said.


sure...

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"When I was informed by the Archives that there were documents missing, I immediately returned everything I had except for a few documents that I apparently had accidentally discarded," he said


Yeah....sure.

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20040720/D83U6TIO0.html
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: Gunslinger on July 19, 2004, 09:39:07 PM
he's a democrat protecting Klinton.....all will be forgiven:aok
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: Lizking on July 19, 2004, 10:05:19 PM
Smells like watergate to me.
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: Nash on July 19, 2004, 10:13:35 PM
Watergate?

What drama-queen-barking-hysteria-ridden peice of journalism led you to that conclusion?

Yeah... wow... Berger is going down HARD! Sure. And huge ramifications.... for the nation... and stuff.
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: NUKE on July 19, 2004, 10:17:55 PM
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Originally posted by Nash
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What drama-queen-barking-hysteria-ridden peice of journalism led you to that conclusion?

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the AP?
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: Nash on July 19, 2004, 10:18:40 PM
The AP compared this to Watergate?
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: NUKE on July 19, 2004, 10:19:57 PM
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Originally posted by Nash
The AP compared this to Watergate?


no, it led him to that conclusion, as you mentioned.
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: Lizking on July 19, 2004, 10:20:47 PM
Destruction of government documents?  You must be  a youngster, Nash, or still on the dope.
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: Nash on July 19, 2004, 10:21:00 PM
Okay yer right.

My suckage with words...

Shoulda just said "lol".
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: Saurdaukar on July 19, 2004, 10:21:17 PM
ZING!
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: Nash on July 19, 2004, 10:23:05 PM
Woot!

Another "I disagree, so you must be on junk" quip.
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: Nash on July 19, 2004, 10:24:49 PM
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
ZING!


viagra finally kick in? or what....
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: Saurdaukar on July 19, 2004, 10:44:53 PM
Oh man - why do I have to have a conscience... such a setup.  ;)
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: Nash on July 19, 2004, 10:46:53 PM
hehe Saur, bang it outta the park.... cuz I looked at it from a coupla angles now and I have no idea what's coming.... but you got me curious. :)
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: Saurdaukar on July 19, 2004, 10:49:37 PM
Nah, I like you, but not in a MiniD sort of way.  (kinda)
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: Nash on July 19, 2004, 10:50:27 PM
yup... Viagra has kicked in.

TAXI!!!

;)
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: Nash on July 19, 2004, 10:50:58 PM
oh watermelon lol good edit.
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: Saurdaukar on July 19, 2004, 10:51:48 PM
:D

You just repeatedly hitting refresh or what?
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: Nash on July 19, 2004, 10:53:24 PM
I work part time for the Ronporcorp Corporation. I get .005 cents a refresh.
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: mietla on July 19, 2004, 10:58:08 PM
Nah, it's just a SNAFU, just like the raw FBI files on members of Congress and Rose Firm documents.

All is well that ends well.

BTW, any one knows who hired Craig Livingstone?
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: Nash on July 19, 2004, 11:01:04 PM
Billary?
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: john9001 on July 19, 2004, 11:02:42 PM
the papers were not "lost", they were with hillarys whitewater files all the time.
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: Nash on July 19, 2004, 11:05:50 PM
Do you believe in ghosts?

WOW!.... denial is spookily easy to pull off.

Lemme see....

Yeah Okay whatever Kerry is Satan!



Damn!... FAR too easy.

Gonna be a fun 4 years.
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: vorticon on July 19, 2004, 11:17:59 PM
BOOSH IZ DEVIL KLINTON EEZ AN APOSTLE  

DETH TO ZE GREAT ZATON B0000SHHHH!!!!!!






okay...now that weve sucked that one dry...shoot him, i fail to see the difference between stealing documents and destroying them and stealing documents and handing them over to evil communist regimes...
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: AKIron on July 19, 2004, 11:43:33 PM
Hmmm, guess national security was just a big joke to the previous administration. Let's not trust this political party with our lives again. Fool me once........well, you won't fool me again. ;)

"Former CIA Director John Deutch was pardoned by Clinton just hours before Clinton left office in 2001 for taking home classified information and keeping it on unsecured computers at his home during his time at the CIA and Pentagon. Deutch was about to enter into a plea agreement for a misdemeanor charge of mishandling government secrets when the pardon was granted."
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: Nash on July 19, 2004, 11:48:08 PM
BERGER IS HITLER!


(this is gonna rule)
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: Saurdaukar on July 20, 2004, 12:37:34 AM
BERGER IS BUSH!!  would have been much more creative.
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: Nash on July 20, 2004, 12:42:32 AM
I did that a coupla days ago... with Kerry (is Boosh).

The response was luke warm, so I adjusted. I don't have good leadership abilities.
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: SaburoS on July 20, 2004, 01:12:11 AM
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"When I was informed by the Archives that there were documents missing, I immediately returned everything I had except for a few documents that I apparently had accidentally discarded," he said


"They somehow found their way into the shedder. Oops"

LOL
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: Gunslinger on July 20, 2004, 01:23:13 AM
What REALLY REALLY POs me is the fact that I have to go through extensive backround checks and the like to gain access to sensative information

These guys just get appointed by an elected official.

If I pulled a dumbchit stunt like this I'd be FRIIIEEEEDDDDD.....lightem up and letem burn

This guy will probably just get a slap on the wrist and say he's sorry......MY bellybutton this was an accident
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: lazs2 on July 20, 2004, 08:09:59 AM
the klinton admin is still loseing sensitive documents?   Maybe hillary just moved em or something?

lazs
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: midnight Target on July 20, 2004, 09:10:56 AM
Its really gonna be a hoot in here when Hillary gets elected.
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: AKIron on July 20, 2004, 09:54:50 AM
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Its really gonna be a hoot in here when Hillary gets elected.


There'll be a lot more foreigners bashing America cause half of us will have left the country and we'll be poking fun at you from abroad.
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: anonymous on July 20, 2004, 12:21:58 PM
most recent reports say whats missing are copies of origional report. sounds to me like he violated procedures but i dont think he was trying to cover anything up.
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: Saurdaukar on July 20, 2004, 12:25:33 PM
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Its really gonna be a hoot in here when Hillary gets elected.


(http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/steve_bell/2001/03/28/belltoon512.gif)
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: JBA on July 20, 2004, 01:34:33 PM
"Berger and his lawyer said Monday night he knowingly removed the handwritten notes by placing them in his jacket, pants and socks, and also inadvertently took copies of actual classified documents in a leather portfolio."

Can you imaging the hissy fit libs would be having if this was a Republican. "INDEPENDENT  COUNSEL" they would be yelling Kerry Kennecy Hillary would be scream Bush KNEW and when. Damn the conspiracy theories would be fling,
Bush loves USB, he hid the docs, Bush blew up the towers etc. Moore would be having an O gasim over it. It would lead every nightly news cast for weeks.
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: Steve on July 20, 2004, 02:45:38 PM
His socks!  Blahahahahahah!

Yup, the demstudmuffinliberalpusses would be screaming from the highest mountain about how Bush is trying to cover something up and when the world ends 7 billion years from now, it's Bush's fault.
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: Sabre on July 20, 2004, 04:38:41 PM
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Originally posted by anonymous
most recent reports say whats missing are copies of origional report. sounds to me like he violated procedures but i dont think he was trying to cover anything up.


You're missing the point.  These were classified documents.  To remove them and store them improperly and without authorization is a security incident.  To do it knowingly, and to share them with unauthorized personnel (IF he did) is a Federal offense.  When you have a clearance, you receive training every year on handling of classified (which is marked top/bottom and front/back in red block letters, copy or original).  Furthermore, any hand-written notes made from a classified source automatically becomes classfied at the level of the source.  Sandy Burgler, er, Berger know this.

While I can believe someone accidently walking out with a classified document, shuffled together with unclassifed documents in his portfolio, it is still incredibly negligent.  Stuffing his notes into his pants, jacket, and socks (yes, his socks) is a damning indictment of willful misconduct.  At the very least his clearance should be immediately pulled (that's what would happen to me) while the investigation was conducted.  Has this happened?  Not according to any reports I've seen.
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: Pongo on July 20, 2004, 05:28:43 PM
That looks very serios. Think he will go to jail?
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: Lizking on July 20, 2004, 05:29:51 PM
Not TOP SECRET, they were code-word, which is the highest level of security.  This is a coverup of the greatest magnitude,  and it was done willfully and with intent.
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: Otto on July 20, 2004, 05:42:13 PM
What's the Big Deal......?   I accidentally put things in my socks all the time.   Give the guy a break....
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: Stang on July 20, 2004, 05:45:21 PM
Steve!! get back in the MA dangit!!  :mad:
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: AKIron on July 20, 2004, 07:21:38 PM
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Originally posted by Pongo
That looks very serios. Think he will go to jail?


Uh, no, he has already been pardoned. Along with a lot of other criminals, some of which allegedly bought those pardons. Do a search on pardongate if you wanna see America at it's lowest.
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: JBA on July 21, 2004, 12:57:32 PM
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Originally posted by Otto
What's the Big Deal......?   I accidentally put things in my socks all the time.   Give the guy a break....



LOL

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/407_1090432247_berger.jpg)
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: anonymous on July 21, 2004, 01:04:42 PM
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Originally posted by Sabre
You're missing the point.  These were classified documents.  To remove them and store them improperly and without authorization is a security incident.  To do it knowingly, and to share them with unauthorized personnel (IF he did) is a Federal offense.  When you have a clearance, you receive training every year on handling of classified (which is marked top/bottom and front/back in red block letters, copy or original).  Furthermore, any hand-written notes made from a classified source automatically becomes classfied at the level of the source.  Sandy Burgler, er, Berger know this.

While I can believe someone accidently walking out with a classified document, shuffled together with unclassifed documents in his portfolio, it is still incredibly negligent.  Stuffing his notes into his pants, jacket, and socks (yes, his socks) is a damning indictment of willful misconduct.  At the very least his clearance should be immediately pulled (that's what would happen to me) while the investigation was conducted.  Has this happened?  Not according to any reports I've seen.


nah didnt miss a point i think you misunderstood me. i have a clearance to. he needs to be busted for what he did but people saying its part of some scheme to hide what clinton did i doubt that. as for stuffing things in socks if thats still being reported in three weeks then ill believe it happened. i dont think highly of the guy and i didnt when he was working for clinton and i was active duty military. but im pretty skeptical when it comes to conspiracys. everyone thinks theyre the reincarnation of woodward and bernstein these days.
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: Shuckins on July 21, 2004, 01:31:23 PM
Does anyone else find it strange that "Socks" disappeared shortly after Clinton left office?  And that now Berger's socks are making the news?

Makes a fella stop and think.
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: VOR on July 21, 2004, 01:35:20 PM
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Does anyone else find it strange that "Socks" disappeared shortly after Clinton left office?  And that now Berger's socks are making the news?

Makes a fella stop and think.


Are you implying that the First Cat was sold to the highest international bidder? :D
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: Shuckins on July 21, 2004, 01:39:39 PM
Vor,

Nah...there was a rumor that the "First Cat" was actually a mole for a hostile foreign power.  

Berger's actions were an attempt to send a signal that there was more to this than just speculation.

Will be interesting to see how this develops.

Watch your back.

Regards, Shuckins/Leggern
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: VOR on July 21, 2004, 02:17:02 PM
Ahh, that seems pretty far-fetched to me, Shickins. I think it's more likely and more plausible that the First Cat(c) was stuffed with intelligence documents and unscrupulously sold on the international spy market. (For more info on the international spy market and to shop for intel, visit the ebay link from the underworldwideweb.) It's easy considering that the contents of diplomatic pet cages are confidential and not subject to search by any foreign power, and I can't blame them for choosing a hand-courier in order to save on international postage rates. Stupid like a bunch of foxes, they are! :D
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: Shuckins on July 21, 2004, 02:35:14 PM
Actually Vor, if memory serves, an inside source in the CIA stated that Socks was under suspicion because micro-dots containing top-secret intelligence were found in kitty-litter that was disposed of in a slip-shod manner.  Heads rolled when it was discovered that agents responsible for screening White House garbage had neglected to sift it properly.  Authorities could only speculate on how much information had been deliberatly leaked to foreign intelligence sources prior to this discovery.

Sandy Berger had said, in a private conversation with Bob Woodward, that the whole situation "stank to high heaven."

More to come.
Title: spin, spin, spin
Post by: Eagler on July 21, 2004, 02:54:19 PM
Kerry Camp Accuses White House of Berger Leak (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&e=3&u=/nm/20040721/pl_nm/security_berger_dc)

next they say Bush planted the documents on him & the CIA "tortured" him into a confession ...

let's not punish the criminal, let's spin the crime
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: midnight Target on July 21, 2004, 02:57:45 PM
Who will the conservatives rally round when Clinton leaves office?



The answer is ....



Clinton!

:lol
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: VOR on July 21, 2004, 03:13:40 PM
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Actually Vor, if memory serves, an inside source in the CIA stated that Socks was under suspicion because micro-dots containing top-secret intelligence were found in kitty-litter that was disposed of in a slip-shod manner.  Heads rolled when it was discovered that agents responsible for screening White House garbage had neglected to sift it properly.  Authorities could only speculate on how much information had been deliberatly leaked to foreign intelligence sources prior to this discovery.

Sandy Berger had said, in a private conversation with Bob Woodward, that the whole situation "stank to high heaven."

More to come.


Well, it's official. Our intelligence IS a bunch of carp. :D
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: AKIron on July 21, 2004, 03:16:57 PM
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Who will the conservatives rally round when Clinton leaves office?



The answer is ....



Clinton!

:lol


Sometimes pointing out the mistakes of the past help to avoid making the same ones in the future.
Title: Sandy Berger "accidently" steals then loses classified 911 documents..
Post by: Shuckins on July 21, 2004, 03:39:21 PM
Actually, Clinton was quite concerned about White House security leaks.  He took it upon himself to personally probe certain members of his staff...but apparently came up short.  Inside sources say that there was plenty of smoke in the air afterwards.