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Title: Has the Mk108 30mm hit power been degraded in AH2?
Post by: GRUNHERZ on July 20, 2004, 07:05:30 AM
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Title: Has the Mk108 30mm hit power been degraded in AH2?
Post by: jaxxo on July 20, 2004, 07:36:07 AM
Is that the one on the 109g6? If so ive had mixed results..sometimes enemies pop real good..other times seem invincible...could be my gunnery though :(
Title: Has the Mk108 30mm hit power been degraded in AH2?
Post by: eskimo2 on July 20, 2004, 07:37:50 AM
The MK-108s hitting power is a variable, inversely linked to how much BBS whining that is done by the shooter.

eskimo
Title: Has the Mk108 30mm hit power been degraded in AH2?
Post by: jodgi on July 20, 2004, 08:57:40 AM
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Originally posted by eskimo2
The MK-108s hitting power is a variable, inversely linked to how much BBS whining that is done by the shooter.

eskimo


I could prove you wrong, but with doing so i would tamper with my own evidence... my head is already hurting from pondering this.

Dang! I just burned out 1 of my brain cells, down to 12 now.

Dam u eskimo!
Title: Has the Mk108 30mm hit power been degraded in AH2?
Post by: J_A_B on July 20, 2004, 09:06:55 AM
I think all the hit power has been reduced somewhat in AH2.  Well that's my impression anyway.   Gunnery itself feels the same, but it seems like it's taking me more ammo to actually damage things.


J_A_B
Title: Has the Mk108 30mm hit power been degraded in AH2?
Post by: Tabasco on July 20, 2004, 09:22:07 AM
I agree J_A_B.  Seems like everything takes more hits, which I kinda like, although a couple very well placed rounds will still remove something vital from the target.  However the gunnery feels quite different to me.  I haven't tried 30mm's yet.
Title: Has the Mk108 30mm hit power been degraded in AH2?
Post by: Sikboy on July 20, 2004, 09:46:18 AM
NS-37 still only takes one hit to kill nearly anything.

I'll be sad if the other "elephant gun" has been reduced at all.

I was having good luck with it in the Beta though, so I'm not really sure. Also, since I'm always riging 2x 20mms at the same time, I can never tell what I'm hitting with.

-Sik
Title: works fine for me
Post by: coyo on August 09, 2004, 02:45:19 AM
one hit still takes a fighter down, unless it is an engine hit, which just kills the engine.

Bombers do seem a bit tougher--especially the ju88
Title: Has the Mk108 30mm hit power been degraded in AH2?
Post by: Ghosth on August 09, 2004, 07:57:46 AM
Sikboys right, 37mm works 1 shot kill for all but buffs.

Might take a few to drop them depending on where you hit.

Yak9T rules :)

ps, ,where you setting convergience for that 30mm?

Try setting it 50 longer than the 20mm, or 100 longer than the mg's.

Let me know how it goes.  :)
Title: Has the Mk108 30mm hit power been degraded in AH2?
Post by: Urchin on August 09, 2004, 10:32:24 AM
It has been my experience that yes, it has been.  

I talked to Pyro and he said he didn't see how it would have happened, but I've hit folks on multiple occasions 1 time and not done any significant damage.  Hitting near the engine for me usually results in a oil leak, not a dead engine.  

It has gone from a 1 hit weapon with 2 hits needed sometimes, to a 2 hit weapon, with 3 or 4 hits needed sometimes.  On fighters anyway.  

Haven't noticed much of a change vs bombers, but they are usually going so slow and straight that I can aim at the cockpit and hit it.
Title: Has the Mk108 30mm hit power been degraded in AH2?
Post by: Karnak on August 09, 2004, 11:08:22 AM
I've only used it a few times since AH2 came out.  All against fighters and all one hit one kill.

Still, not a big enough statistical sample to really mean anything.
Title: Has the Mk108 30mm hit power been degraded in AH2?
Post by: Howitzer on August 09, 2004, 02:00:34 PM
I went in on one spitty with a g10, put about 20MG rounds in him, then tapped the cannon button twice, looked like 2 pings on the left wing and he flew away...

But in that same flight I had 2 pings right behind the cockpit of a spitIX and ripped the plane in half.

It does seem like it takes more rounds to kill now, but I think it is across the board, and some nights are better than others, so I just chalk it up to network difficulties...  :confused:

--Mike/Howitzer
Title: Has the Mk108 30mm hit power been degraded in AH2?
Post by: simshell on August 09, 2004, 02:09:17 PM
303s seem stronger
Title: Has the Mk108 30mm hit power been degraded in AH2?
Post by: Xjazz on August 09, 2004, 02:17:11 PM
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Originally posted by simshell
303s seem stronger


I disagree.
Title: Has the Mk108 30mm hit power been degraded in AH2?
Post by: gunnss on August 09, 2004, 02:23:54 PM
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Originally posted by jodgi
I could prove you wrong, but with doing so i would tamper with my own evidence... my head is already hurting from pondering this.

Dang! I just burned out 1 of my brain cells, down to 12 now.

Dam u eskimo!

Side note:
In the ARMY when you enlist they take all but 8 of your brain cells, and you have to turn one more in each time you get promoted......

Gunns
Title: Has the Mk108 30mm hit power been degraded in AH2?
Post by: Morpheus on August 09, 2004, 04:09:06 PM
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Originally posted by simshell
303s seem stronger


agreed sorta.
Title: Has the Mk108 30mm hit power been degraded in AH2?
Post by: brendo on August 09, 2004, 05:18:59 PM
Morpheus. Please remove your Avatar. That can get me fired at work.

If you dont remove it, I'll have to email HTC.

A lot of us read the board from the workplace and things are strict.
Title: Has the Mk108 30mm hit power been degraded in AH2?
Post by: xBarrelx on August 09, 2004, 05:30:13 PM
the problem with the hit sprites is they all look the same. whether its a pea shooter or not. i've always been able to down a plane with one hit from my 30mm. p51s would always piss me off cause a lot of times only the elevators would come off. then someone would come along and steal the kill. but other than that i havent experienced any loss in the power of the 30mm. but as i was saying before. before you post about your hits, remember that you're not always firing just the 30mm, unless u dont have gondolas and u lay off the MG. i use both so i surrender to the fact that its my gunnery that is the prob when i dont down a plane.
Title: Has the Mk108 30mm hit power been degraded in AH2?
Post by: Urchin on August 09, 2004, 05:41:05 PM
I think most people that know what they are doing fire the cannon and the Mg seperately.  And most people that use the 30mm don't take the 20mm for the same reason.
Title: Has the Mk108 30mm hit power been degraded in AH2?
Post by: Overlag on August 09, 2004, 07:27:48 PM
every Mk-108 hit ive got = kill. Unless its bombers, in which case 95% of the hits are kills.....
Title: Has the Mk108 30mm hit power been degraded in AH2?
Post by: Simaril on August 09, 2004, 07:34:08 PM
Couldn't the overall "increase" in hits needed come from the higher number of "hit boxes" modelled on the aircraft? What used to all be counted against one larger location could now be spread over several boxes, meaning that same total hit damage doesnt reach kill threshold in any one box....
Title: Has the Mk108 30mm hit power been degraded in AH2?
Post by: Urchin on August 09, 2004, 10:15:57 PM
I don't know Sim, but that is a good a theory as any I've heard.
Title: Has the Mk108 30mm hit power been degraded in AH2?
Post by: Overlag on August 09, 2004, 10:35:29 PM
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Originally posted by Simaril
Couldn't the overall "increase" in hits needed come from the higher number of "hit boxes" modelled on the aircraft? What used to all be counted against one larger location could now be spread over several boxes, meaning that same total hit damage doesnt reach kill threshold in any one box....


most likely yes....and its a good thing i recon........