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LAS VEGAS - Singer Linda Ronstadt (news) not only got booed, she got the boot after lauding filmmaker Michael Moore and his new movie "Fahrenheit 9/11" during a performance at the Aladdin hotel-casino.
Before singing "Desperado" for an encore Saturday night, the 58-year-old rocker called Moore a "great American patriot" and "someone who is spreading the truth." She also encouraged everybody to see the documentary about President Bush (news - web sites).
Ronstadt's comments drew loud boos and some of the 4,500 people in attendance stormed out of the theater. People also tore down concert posters and tossed cocktails into the air.
"It was a very ugly scene," Aladdin President Bill Timmins told The Associated Press. "She praised him and all of a sudden all bedlam broke loose."
Timmins, who is British and was watching the show, decided Ronstadt had to go — for good. Timmins said he didn't allow Ronstadt back in her luxury suite and she was escorted off the property.
Ronstadt's antics "spoiled a wonderful evening for our guests and we had to do something about it," Timmins said.
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Freedom of speach my ass.
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Oh no here comes the euro free speech brigade...
And WTG Las Vegas!!!
:rofl
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The First Amendment in action...
When will these entertainers learn....
Can it and Sing...
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Originally posted by Maniac
Freedom of speach my ass.
Seems both parties (Entertainer and entertainees) were excercising their 1st Amendment rights. :rofl :rofl :aok
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Seems both parties (Entertainer and entertainees) were excercising their 1st Amendment rights. :rofl :rofl :aok
Sounds 'bout right to me.
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So this juvenile reaction to a political comment is OK for you neo-clowns?
How sad.
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I don't think the first amendment was ment to give her the right to communicate a personal message in a private establishment that paid her to sing. Not to share her political views.
If it was, than I'm heading over to my local TV station and demanding they put me on the air asap!
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Originally posted by midnight Target
So this juvenile reaction to a political comment is OK for you neo-clowns?
How sad.
Yep. My attitude would have been "I came here to hear your singing voice, not your political opinion"
Besides, she was outright LYING!
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Yep. My attitude would have been "I came here to hear your singing voice, not your political opinion"
Besides, she was outright LYING!
And this would justify throwing your drink and ripping down a poster.
Got it. <---insert rolly eye here.
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Your right...
How bout if I just throw my drink at a poster and save a step?
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She was being paid to sing.
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Mr Moore says hello...
(http://www.ananova.com/images/web/44315.jpg)
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Originally posted by midnight Target
And this would justify throwing your drink and ripping down a poster.
Got it. <---insert rolly eye here.
Is that worse than spitting on cops as they strolled up the isle with the American flag at a Hillary rally? ;)
:lol
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Is that worse than spitting on cops as they strolled up the isle with the American flag at a Hillary rally? ;)
:lol
What?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
What?
June 2000
Honor guard harassed at Arena
Albany -- Police unit was spit at and called names as they carried flags at Democratic convention
Members of the Albany Police Department Honor Guard were harassed and spit on by a few people as they carried flags into Tuesday's Democratic state convention at Pepsi Arena, officials said.
"This was probably a very small minority in a sea of legitimate Democratic Party members,'' said Albany Police Chief John C. Nielsen. "It's probably going to send the wrong message about what was in fact an overwhelmingly peaceful, law-abiding and respectful group.''
President Bill Clinton attended the ceremony as state Democrats unanimously nominated Hillary Rodham Clinton as their U.S. Senate candidate.
The five-member honor guard, which is made up of Albany police officers, told authorities that some people in the crowd of 11,500 Democratic supporters called them "Nazis'' and "members of (New York City Mayor Rudolph) Giuliani's 'Third Reich.' ''
The harassment took place as the officers entered the arena around 5:45 p.m. in front of the Albany Police Department Pipes & Bags band.
The honor guard were in full-dress uniform and carrying the American flag, said Detective Thomas McGraw, president of the Albany Police Officers Union.
"We are very upset,'' McGraw said. "The honor guard were asked to act as ambassadors to the city of Albany. They were invited guests and they were volunteering their time.''
The incidents allegedly took place on the floor of the arena, where only delegates carrying passes were allowed access, officials said.
Mayor Jerry Jennings blasted those responsible.
"I'd love to identify these individuals,'' Jennings said. "It's unfortunate there are people who don't know how to act. It's behavior I find reprehensible.''
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Here is another story on the same subject.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/features/20040720-9999-1c20linda.html
July 20, 2004
Linda Ronstadt, a late-blooming rabble-rouser? The woman with one of the most glorious voices in pop music and several decades' worth of hits, a political agitator at 58?
This 10-time Grammy Award-winner didn't burn a flag or shout out a raging manifesto of sedition during her Sunday night concert at Humphrey's Concerts by the Bay. But by dedicating her encore to someone she hailed as "a great American patriot and certainly the man of the hour" – "Fahrenheit 9/11" filmmaker Michael Moore – the Tucson-born singer ignited a fiery response.
Like a musical Moses staging a song-fueled parting of the Red Sea, the veteran star instantly split her sold-out audience of 1,360 in two.
Half the crowd heartily applauded her praise for Moore, the other half booed. In an instant, the intimate outdoor venue on Shelter Island filled with a roar of cheers and jeers that grew to a near-fever pitch.
As Ronstadt started to perform her encore, an impassioned version of the Eagles' "Desperado," dozens of concertgoers angrily streamed toward the exits, while others gave her an ovation.
It was a remarkable display of how a spoken introduction to a song, not the comparatively innocuous tune itself, could arouse the same crowd that had warmly greeted each of her 17 previous selections. In this pivotal election year, it was also a demonstration of just how polarized our nation and its people have become.
According to Ronstadt, audiences at each stop on her ongoing summer tour have reacted to her Moore dedication with a similarly intense mix of emotions.
"I don't try to instruct people how to vote or think," she told the Union-Tribune in a recent interview. "But Michael Moore has raised some really important points (about President Bush and the war in Iraq) that a lot of people haven't given thought to . . . So if I can just lend my voice to his efforts . . . "
Ronstadt had only commented on current events once earlier in her 71-minute Sunday night concert.
She dedicated her soaring version of the Nat "King" Cole classic "Straighten up and Fly Right" to "the good folks at Enron, who brought you the California energy crisis." She also dedicated the song to California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, whom she chided for his recent claim that Democrats in Sacramento opposing his proposed budget cuts are "girlie men."
"Now I'm wondering," Ronstadt mused, "what if you're a female legislator? Does that make you a 'manly girl?' Or a 'manly woman?' "
The rest of her stage patter focused almost entirely on her repertoire, which offered a fetching mini-retrospective of her 38-year career.
She began with eight big band-era ballads and swing tunes, including the show-opening "What's New?" and the sumptuous "Lush Life," from her three mid-1980s albums with legendary arranger Nelson Riddle.
Improvisation, the essence of jazz, was missing from her note-perfect interpretations. But Ronstadt's luminous voice and expert phrasing generally compensated for her lack of spontaneity.
The rest of her set revisited her pop hits, beginning with "Just One Look" and concluding with "Poor Poor Pitiful Me."
Ronstadt performed each song with a winning combination of soul and finesse, rising from a whisper to a full-bodied vocal swoop and back again. She benefited from the expert backing of her six-man band, three harmony singers, and – on many selections – the crisply amplified Baltimore Symphony Orchestra.
But the most memorable moment came with her brave dedication to Moore. (Her on-stage salute to him Saturday night at the Aladdin hotel-casino in Las Vegas created so much controversy that hotel management barred her from her suite and had her escorted off the property after the show.)
Those who complain that Ronstadt should just sing, rather than express her opinions, forget that all art has a responsibility to inspire and provoke, not just soothe and entertain.
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(http://www.ananova.com/images/web/44315.jpg) [/B][/QUOTE]
He's just another 'Pretty Face'.....
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And here is the part of the story Rip left out.....
Ronstadt, 58, had been booked to play the Aladdin for only one show.
On Monday, Moore released a letter he said he intends to send to Timmins.
"For you to throw Linda Ronstadt off the premises because she dared to say a few words in support of me and my film, is simply stupid and Un-American," Moore wrote.
Calls to Ronstadt's manager were not immediately returned.
In an interview with the Las Vegas Review-Journal newspaper before the show, Ronstadt said: "I keep hoping that if I'm annoying enough to them, they won't hire me back."
Timmins said Ronstadt would not sing at the Aladdin again: "As long as I'm here, she's not going to play."
Moore said Timmins owes Ronstadt an apology.
"I have an idea how you can make it up to her -- and to the millions of Americans you have offended," Moore wrote.
"Invite her back and I'll join her in singing America the Beautiful on your stage. Then I will show Fahrenheit 9/11 free of charge to all your guests and anyone else in Las Vegas who wants to see it."
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MT... destruction of property is never appropriate. Tearing down posters is extremely mild form of "rioting" tho. It is a relief to see a riot with no injuries huh?
Having said that... booing her off stage and walking out is very appropriate and a very good use of free speech. What she did was probly not appropriate. She missrepresented her act... people came to hear her sing not to get lectured on politics by some empty headed hollywood bimbo who knows nothing about life or politics.
She should have taken a hint from her hero moore and saved those comments for canada concerts and overseas.
lazs
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1939 revisited.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by SirLoin
1939 revisited.
Agreed. Moore is spreading lies just like Goebbels..
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I think this just shows that americians are just getting sick of singers and other celeberaties' egos that think that they need to push there political message,
They get paid to sing or to act, not to be polititions, I dont care wich side they support. I just want them to keep there opions to there self.
They are no better then the freeks walking down the street waving signs by them selves
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"For you to throw Linda Ronstadt off the premises because she dared to say a few words in support of me and my film, is simply stupid and Un-American," Moore wrote.
To funny...MM calling someone who doesn't support him "stupid and Un-American".:rofl
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LOL... moores reply is the best part... what an egotistical out of touch little toad he is! He is claiming that she was tossed out on her butt because the management didn't like him and is offering to let all the people in vegas who love him see his movie for free?
This is his style.. the real case was that yes... he is correct.. she was tossed out after making comments about his movie... In a moore documentary... he would leave out the part that showed the entire audience pretty peacefully booing and walking out... he would then "interview" customers who were in tears because ronstat was so badly treated.
What did I tell ya tho... the guy is collapsing under his own weight. His 15 minutes of fame are about over and he will go down as just one more embarassment of the left.
lazs
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I got no problem with people booing or walking out.
Ronstadt is hardly an empty headed bimbo. She is obviously forward thinking enough to wear her knee pads. You go girl!
(http://www.ronstadt-linda.com/livusa3.jpg)
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so MT... you still think I am wrong about moore? Still support him? Just curious.
lazs
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I got no problem with people booing or walking out.
Ronstadt is hardly an empty headed bimbo. She is obviously forward thinking enough to wear her knee pads. You go girl!
(http://www.ronstadt-linda.com/livusa3.jpg)
a 58-year-old liberal is just slightly more pathetic than a 58-year-old stripper.
PS: I can't believe you just said 'you go girl'.
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Nothing is ever all right or all wrong lazs. Did Moore stretch the truth in f-911? Probably. Did he also make some points worth discussing? Probably.
I haven't seen it yet. My son did. He came home full of all kinds of "information". I spent 30 minutes bursting his Moore worship bubble.
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Next stop... Kristallnacht :D
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I haven't seen it yet. My son did. He came home full of all kinds of "information". I spent 30 minutes bursting his Moore worship bubble.
When my kid grows up I ain't gonna burst his bubble when he gets information and asks me questions.
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No sirloin... you will let him continue to be brainwashed by unscrupulous liars so that he is in lock step with your thinking.
MT.. I applaud the fact that you put your personal politics asside in order to give your son the best information you can.
Now.. if a right winger did a documentary that was based on an erroneous book and then he twisted it even more and used missleading interviews and out of context scenes for the sole purpose of giving the wrong impression.... I'm pretty darn sure that I will be among the first to call BS.
If the lie woulda been smaller it would have went over better but... they never seem to grasp that.
lazs
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I haven't seen it yet.
neither have I...and neither has lazs.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
When my kid grows up I ain't gonna burst his bubble when he gets information and asks me questions.
That is a wonderful sentiment that shows you love your kid and that you totally misunderstood my post. Well done.
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Originally posted by lazs2
No sirloin... you will let him continue to be brainwashed by unscrupulous liars so that he is in lock step with your thinking.
lazs
No Lazs..I will encourage him to form opinions of his own..whether they are intelligent or misplaced...To enforce your own views while he is forming his ability to express them is "brainwashing"..so you said.
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I think the political commentary was just the last straw for the attendees. prior to that, L was turning in a lack-luster performance, at best, and didn't perform the kind of music that the crowd was lead to expect. And, she made it very clear to the audience she had no intentions of performing as billed. That's what really got the audience hot. The political speech was just the match that sparked the already stoked crowd. I'm really dissapointed in her. She was always one of my very fovorite female singers. Sad, it is.
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Originally posted by Trell
I think this just shows that americians are just getting sick of singers and other celeberaties' egos that think that they need to push there political message,
They get paid to sing or to act, not to be polititions, I dont care wich side they support. I just want them to keep there opions to there self.
They are no better then the freeks walking down the street waving signs by them selves
She joins the ranks of artists that I liked and now despise, its a huge list that grows everyday. They should STFU and sing or act.
Glad she was boo'd offstage...
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Originally posted by SirLoin
No Lazs..I will encourage him to form opinions of his own..whether they are intelligent or misplaced...To enforce your own views while he is forming his ability to express them is "brainwashing"..so you said.
My son is 23. I hope you assist your child in critical thinking when he misunderstands the difference between facts and propaganda.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
No Lazs..I will encourage him to form opinions of his own..whether they are intelligent or misplaced...To enforce your own views while he is forming his ability to express them is "brainwashing"..so you said.
:rofl :rofl
Sorry SirLoin but that is simply so silly. What use are you then as a parent if you refuse to at least guide your kids or point out some of the things you may have learned..
What would you do if your kid came back one day and said he/she was all for harrasing, oh lets say, asian immigrants?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Agreed. Moore is spreading lies just like Goebbels..
Actually not , you still have the choice to see his film or not and are still free disagree without having the gestapo deporting you and your familly.
Compare what is comparable.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
My son is 23. I hope you assist your child in critical thinking when he misunderstands the difference between facts and propaganda.
Maybe you will..:)
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
:rofl :rofl
"Sorry SirLoin but that is simply so silly. What use are you then as a parent if you refuse to at least guide your kids or point out some of the things you may have learned..."
That was GREAT!..:)..But why did you go on?
"What would you do if your kid came back one day and said he/she was all for harrasing, oh lets say, asian immigrants?"
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What would you do in that case Sir Loin? Just answer..
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Originally posted by straffo
Actually not , you still have the choice to see his film or not and are still free disagree without having the gestapo deporting you and your familly.
Compare what is comparable.
They both used the word "is".
I saw it.
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Most disturbing about the Hillary article.
"The incidents allegedly took place on the floor of the arena, where only delegates carrying passes were allowed access, officials said."
Not your general public on the floor, just the hard core Liberals on the floor. Very sad indictment of the Liberal party.
The country is very polarized as the article says. Between those who love the US and those who hate it: Hillary, Ronstadt, Moore, and most core Democrates.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
What would you do in that case Sir Loin? Just answer..
Well when they cross the line that's different...it's that damn line they cross cross that defines where you are as a parent.
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Originally posted by Martlet
They both used the word "is".
I saw it.
sorry ?
You post pass right over my head :confused: (seriously I don't understand)
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Originally posted by SirLoin
No Lazs..I will encourage him to form opinions of his own..whether they are intelligent or misplaced...To enforce your own views while he is forming his ability to express them is "brainwashing"..so you said.
http://www.wnd.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39145
:eek:
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Originally posted by JBA
Most disturbing about the Hillary article.
"The incidents allegedly took place on the floor of the arena, where only delegates carrying passes were allowed access, officials said."
Not your general public on the floor, just the hard core Liberals on the floor. Very sad indictment of the Liberal party.
The country is very polarized as the article says. Between those who love the US and those who hate it: Hillary, Ronstadt, Moore, and most core Democrates.
I disagree. Most Democrats love America. Its the liberals that hate what we stand for.
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Originally posted by lazs2
She missrepresented her act... people came to hear her sing not to get lectured on politics by some empty headed hollywood bimbo who knows nothing about life or politics.
lazs
Doesn't sleeping with ex California Governer Jerry Brown qualify her as a political expert? :D
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Originally posted by Maniac
Freedom of speach my ass.
oh, so now i have to allow an employee of mine whom i am paying to entertain, say anything they want in my establishment???
where's my freedom then? i guess "freedom of speech" only applies when it is anit-geroge w bush.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Well when they cross the line that's different...it's that damn line they cross cross that defines where you are as a parent.
Cross what line?
A line is a limit, it is a value judgement. Its an imposition of your own values, your own views...
"I will encourage him to form opinions of his own..whether they are intelligent or misplaced...To enforce your own views while he is forming his ability to express them is "brainwashing"..so you said."
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
http://www.wnd.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39145
:eek:
That pix says a lot about Arab extreemists and the kids that are bred to hate.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
So this juvenile reaction to a political comment is OK for you neo-clowns?
How sad.
Better than just ok, entertainers aren't the only citizens allowed to express their opinions and I'm pleased those in attendance expressed such passion. There's hope for us yet. Viva Las Vegas!
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Originally posted by SirLoin
That pix says a lot about Arab extreemists and the kids that are bred to hate.
Its a sad world we live in.
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People went to the concert to hear music.
NOT to have to listen to nonesense about that fat tard.
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Destroying property because your upset is wrong.
Having said that,freedom of speech is so the government can't persecute you.It has absolutely nothing to do with what an employer may or may not allow an employee to say.
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If someone praised Donald Rhumsfeld and got booed off the stage and kicked out of the hotel then most of the people here would not be cheering. I myself think people paid to sing for the night should sing for the night. If its some activist your paying to see you know what your going to get.
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Originally posted by Pongo
I myself think people paid to sing for the night should sing for the night. If its some activist your paying to see you know what your going to get.
Exactly. Anyone that hasn't learned from the mistakes of the Dixie Chicks deserves what they get. Remember when Richard Gere rambled on about Tibet when he was supposed to be presenting an award a few years back? Why do these entertainers think we care about their political opinions?
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Rip, you might want to consider diversifying your sources. I've seen you cite WorldNetDaily now in a variety of different threads from quoting Michael Moore to showing the idiocy of Linda Ronstadt to providing images of little children reenacting the Berg beheading.
Anybody with a desire for unbiased news can plainly see that this (http://www.wnd.com/) does not provide it. What would you say if someone started linking to stories from some socialist rag and quoting it as unbiased fact?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
What would you say if someone started linking to stories from some socialist rag and quoting it as unbiased fact?
-- Todd/Leviathn
You mean like the New York Times?
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Members of the Albany Police Department Honor Guard were harassed and spit on by a few people as they carried flags into Tuesday's Democratic state convention at Pepsi Arena, officials said.
What kind of low life maggot can stoop so low as to spit on a police officer (regardless of political views)?
Isn't this an assault? Don't you get jailed for that?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I disagree. Most Democrats love America. Its the liberals that hate what we stand for.
Okay I was generalizing Dems and libs together. I would agree it's Libs that hate what AMERICA stands for.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Anybody with a desire for unbiased news can plainly see that this (http://www.wnd.com/) does not provide it. What would you say if someone started linking to stories from some socialist rag and quoting it as unbiased fact?
-- Todd/Leviathn
New york times
Chicago Trib
LA Times
Boston Globe
Washington Post
Sacromento BEE
ABC
CBS
NBC
CNN
MSNBC
:aok
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Originally posted by JBA
I would agree it's Libs that hate what AMERICA stands for.
Somewhere your education (or lack thereof) failed you. America is a liberal democracy.
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Originally posted by -MZ-
Somewhere your education (or lack thereof) failed you. America is a liberal democracy.
Nice try at a personal attack because you don't agree with the issues, but playing with words is as old as the dinosaurs within a debate. I used liberal amounts of pancake syrup this morning, does that mean that the syrup protested? Don't think so.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Rip, you might want to consider diversifying your sources. I've seen you cite WorldNetDaily now in a variety of different threads from quoting Michael Moore to showing the idiocy of Linda Ronstadt to providing images of little children reenacting the Berg beheading.
Anybody with a desire for unbiased news can plainly see that this (http://www.wnd.com/) does not provide it. What would you say if someone started linking to stories from some socialist rag and quoting it as unbiased fact?
-- Todd/Leviathn
Pick your source!
You libs are all the same, even those in denial like yourself..if you can't debate the point, try to tarnish the source! LMAO!
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Here you go, NPR (http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=3602929) Happy as a clam now?
:lol
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
You libs are all the same, even those in denial like yourself..if you can't debate the point, try to tarnish the source! LMAO!
I'm not a liberal, you tool. And the fact that you seem absolutely incapable of seeing the bias inherent in a "news" site that features such headlines as "Christian book passes Clinton on yet another list" and "Clinton's devastating 'Intelligence Failure'" marks you as either blindly partisan or a fool. Take your pick.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Here you go, NPR. Happy as a clam now?
:lol
Should I be? Since you seem to know all about my personal beliefs and ideology, you tell me.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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America is a liberal democracy.
You criticize a person's education then call the U.S. a democracy? Pull your head out of your behind, fool.
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based on what I know of DMF and what he says here...
rip, you are on voss shaky ground calling him a liberal. That would be like calling you a lieing POS based on your defense of voss/metatron.
lazs
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Originally posted by Steve
You criticize a person's education then call the U.S. a democracy? Pull your head out of your behind, fool.
Please tell us of the source of your education in political philosophy? I suspect it consists of talk radio and not much else.
Liberal democracy
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Liberal democracy is a form of representative democracy in which majority rule is qualified by respect for liberal rights such as freedom of speech and assembly, freedom of religion, the right to private property and privacy, as well as equality before the law and due process under the rule of law, and else.
Such rights are guaranteed through various institutions and statutory laws in order to protect the rights of individuals and minorities from the 'tyranny of the majority'.
Australia,Canada, the member states of the European Union, Iceland, New Zealand, Norway and the United States are all examples of liberal democracy (though of course it is sometimes argued that none is perfect with respect to the above rights).
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Nice try at a personal attack because you don't agree with the issues
There's an issue?
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If you don't like Ronstadt, don't listen to her music. You don't like Moore don't see his film. But to agree with the rioting crowd because you don't like her views is wrong.
To put this into perspective consider this. I don't like something Ripsnort says about Kerry. I get mad and take it out on Rip by destroying Boeing property and keying his BMW.
Is that the "American" way to handle that situation? NO, it is not. Boycott, protest, ask for your money back or write a letter to the editor, but destroying property (that does not even belong to LR) is just an illegal act. Trying to justify it because there was politics involved just drags those involved lower into the mud.
For all of you throwing away your Linda Ronstadt recordings, let me help. Send them to me. Make sure you include the album with her, Dolly Parton and Emmylou Harris. I still love her work and America, you lemmings.
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Next stop... Kristallnacht
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That is hilarious, WTG drunken Vegas 'necks. Glad to see that the first amendment is still alive and well.
As far as the employer firing her, if you hire an "entertainer" and her "performance" inspires the customers to protest en masse, you are justified in firing the "entertainer" regardless of the content of the performance. Results.
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Originally posted by Maniac
Freedom of speach my ass.
You live in a country where preachers are jailed for unpopular sermons. You wouldn't know freedom of speech if it bit you on the ass.
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destroying property is never correct but... it is a very mild case in this example... Tear down posters that are now useless anyway?
still it is wrong.
Now, the booing and walking out... that is exactly the correct way to deal with your displeasure... Booing is a way to give immediate feedback and is not near as bad as annoying thousands of people with your empty headed political views.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
destroying property is never correct but... it is a very mild case in this example... Tear down posters that are now useless anyway?
No it was a "riot". :rolleyes:
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well... if that is considered a riot then.... guess we don't need one in Dixon...
We never get any good riots here.... like the basketball zombie ones..
lazs
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She could cause an even bigger riot 30 years ago....
(http://www.ricmusic.de/wrrons1.jpg)
(http://photo.sing365.com/music/picture.nsf/SingerPicUnid/48256C71003578A248256C700014D336/$file/Linda+Ronstadt.jpg)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I disagree. Most Democrats love America. Its the liberals that hate what we stand for.
This liberal, non-Democrat disagrees.
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Originally posted by Mickey1992
Exactly. Anyone that hasn't learned from the mistakes of the Dixie Chicks deserves what they get.
IIRC, the Dixie Chicks enjoyed their most profitable year because of that "mistake".
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Originally posted by midnight Target
She could cause an even bigger riot 30 years ago....
(http://www.ricmusic.de/wrrons1.jpg)
(http://photo.sing365.com/music/picture.nsf/SingerPicUnid/48256C71003578A248256C700014D336/$file/Linda+Ronstadt.jpg)
Id still hit it :D
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Originally posted by Staga
Next stop... Kristallnacht :D
Seems to me Finland was alot more comfortable with the Nazis
than America was...since we're making stupid statements now.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
My son is 23. I hope you assist your child in critical thinking when he misunderstands the difference between facts and propaganda.
The best propaganda is factual. The facts are superimperimposed over one another to create impressions that are not necessarily intuitive or even logical. It can therefore be considered biased or slanted...
Don't take it from me, though, here's a quote of yours from JB73's thread on Moore about a week ago.
Originally posted by midnight Target
Just look up the top documentaries over the past 30 years... I betcha can find one or 2 with an ax to grind or a viewpoint.
You go girl
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Originally posted by Sandman
IIRC, the Dixie Chicks enjoyed their most profitable year because of that "mistake".
are you sure? would have it been better if they would have kept to what they were best at?
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Originally posted by -MZ-
Somewhere your education (or lack thereof) failed you. America is a liberal democracy.
So it's not a Republic after all?
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Originally posted by mosgood
are you sure? would have it been better if they would have kept to what they were best at?
The album, "Home" was the #2 on the Billboard country charts in 2003. Only Shania Twain did better in that genre.
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Timmins' decision to boot Ronstadt from the casino was moot...she was only signed to do a single show.
Entertainers can believe or say anything they want in public or private, as is their right. What ticks me off is that they have unlimited access to the media which gleefully broadcasts their elitest political views. How often does the average American voter have access to that kind of influence? That's the actual source of the anger that the Vegas audience was giving vent to. Whether it is a fair assessment or not, many moderate and conservative Americans feel that the press panders to the Hollywood mindset and the political left.
The level of the division between Americans of different political persuasians is becoming frightening. Moore's movie and Ronstadt's comments aren't bridging that gap...they are widening it. They may believe that they are solidifying support behind their candidate Kerry...but they are galvanising the right as well.
It's going to be a dirty political season.
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Entertainers can believe or say anything they want in public or private, as is their right. What ticks me off is that they have unlimited access to the media which gleefully broadcasts their elitest political views.
Unless they are Republicans, then everything is hunky-dory.:rolleyes:
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rpm,
You've learned a few tricks from MM...such as quoting out of context. The very next statement says..."How often does the average American have access to that kind of influence?"
The average American...you know...the citizens of any political stripe. How many average Americans agree with the political views being spouted by these Hollywood dingbats? Or do you believe that those who booed and walked out on Ronstadt were all Republicans?
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Originally posted by lazs2
She missrepresented her act... people came to hear her sing not to get lectured on politics by some empty headed hollywood bimbo who knows nothing about life or politics.
well...looks who's talking!
a guy who admits he barely scraped through high school and lives in a town of 16k people knows more about the world and politics than a woman who has earned millions of dollars and travelled extensively throughtout the world over decades?
We have more people in our shopping centre on any day than you have in your whole town, LOL.
If I'm ever down in your neck of the woods, when I place my order, would you kindly remember "I'd like fries with that!"
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
!blah blah blah"
Funny how stuff like this affects the "average" American
Linda was singing a song on the radio today and I changed the channel, I dont think I have ever tuned her out before....
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Originally posted by Rino
Seems to me Finland was alot more comfortable with the Nazis
than America was...since we're making stupid statements now.
We had 2 choices: Accept "International" as our new national anthem or try to keep commies out from Helsinki.
Too bad your country wasn't defending freedom then like it does now; your country was just standing still thumbs in your butts when we kept communism away from northern Europe.
Hell you should be thankful to Germany; Without their help russian missiles would be hiding in the mountains of Norway.
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Rino I think Staga put the huge smiley there to indicate humor. He was just funnin ya.
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
The best propaganda is factual. The facts are superimperimposed over one another to create impressions that are not necessarily intuitive or even logical. It can therefore be considered biased or slanted...
Don't take it from me, though, here's a quote of yours from JB73's thread on Moore about a week ago.
You go girl
I'm glad you agree Porky.
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Originally posted by Rino
So it's not a Republic after all?
It is also a Republic, they are not mutually exclusive.
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Yah, But we know you'd still hit Martha Stewart.
NUTTZ
Originally posted by Roscoroo
Id still hit it :D
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OUCH! that left a mark!
Nuttz
Originally posted by xrtoronto
well...looks who's talking!
a guy who admits he barely scraped through high school and lives in a town of 16k people knows more about the world and politics than a woman who has earned millions of dollars and travelled extensively throughtout the world over decades?
We have more people in our shopping centre on any day than you have in your whole town, LOL.
If I'm ever down in your neck of the woods, when I place my order, would you kindly remember "I'd like fries with that!"
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On the idiot that wrote it maybe......
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M.T. AND ALLLLL THE OTHERS. re probably
the word probable,means...may have...might be...perhaps.. ah, couldnt even bring yourself to tell him the truth....he did not tell the truth at all.[moore].This from some very good and respected left wing writers, difference between them and the other left wing writers....they are intellectually honest.
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Originally posted by demaw1
M.T. AND ALLLLL THE OTHERS. re probably
the word probable,means...may have...might be...perhaps.. ah, couldnt even bring yourself to tell him the truth....he did not tell the truth at all.[moore].This from some very good and respected left wing writers, difference between them and the other left wing writers....they are intellectually honest.
Intellectually honest huh? Yet you have no problem making the blanket statement that no truth was told in the entire movie. LOL.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Is that worse than spitting on cops as they strolled up the isle with the American flag at a Hillary rally? ;)
:lol
If I can add something else to this. Did you watch the 2000 Dem Convention when the Boy Scouts, kids, not the Adults, prsented the Colors in the Convention? They were booed!! All this because they disaggree with their stand on Gay Leaders. So they booed the kids. And to me the flag of our Nation. Shows the kind of people the Dems really are.
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M.T. re blanket
Sorry mt got this from those left wing writers I was talking about,not from the right.
Glad the subject of boy scouts was brought up I was goin to.At least we pick on adults...how you feel M.T. and all the others leaning left,your buddies pickin on little boys in such an arena or anywhere else.....of course you have come a long way in two years...now you all tryin to destory them.
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
well...looks who's talking!
a guy who admits he barely scraped through high school and lives in a town of 16k people knows more about the world and politics than a woman who has earned millions of dollars and travelled extensively throughtout the world over decades?
We have more people in our shopping centre on any day than you have in your whole town, LOL.
If I'm ever down in your neck of the woods, when I place my order, would you kindly remember "I'd like fries with that!"
Making millions? Travelling all throughout the world?
So I guess that makes Anna Kournikova and the Backstreet Boys worthy of High Office if and when they should choose to run... Nothing like staying in overpriced hotel rooms and getting drunk all night long to broaden your understanding of world politics. Of course if you don't like that generation, you could always turn to Motley Crue and Guns N' Roses to, at the very least, run a few state governments.
Celebrities are, for the most part, the some most sheltered people on the planet(explaining why they can make it to the seemingly ripe age of 58 and still maintain the political beliefs of your average teenager). Despite the incredible mileage they accumulate, they do so under guard, and with as little exposure to 'common people' as possible.
As for your comment regarding the size of Lazs's town... The population of your whole country, all 4 million square miles of it, is eclipsed by 32 other countries, including Iran, Ethiopia, Bangladesh, Nigeria and at least half a dozen other places where you wouldn't wanna take a chit... Does that make you an illiterate hick?
Next time I come through your neck of the woods, I'd appreciate it if you could put the 9% Alcohol by volume beer down long enough to scrub down my windshield.
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xrtoronto you are being an idiot if you think celebrity singers are somehoiw the least bit worldy or insightful.. If nothing else thje simple fact that they are almost always sorrounded by a bunch of groveling "yes man" attendants, agents and other groupies would tend to skew their view of world events and assure that their own private prejudices and ignorance are not challenged...
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Right... So if some celebrity says a coupla things you disagree with in-between songs, are you likely to go batchit and start peeing on posters or whatever? I mean really... would you?
Lol... Linda Rhondstat of all people. Gets folk's panties in a bunch. Hilarious.
Some folks need to grow a pair.
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Timmins' decision to boot Ronstadt from the casino was moot...she was only signed to do a single show.
Entertainers can believe or say anything they want in public or private, as is their right. What ticks me off is that they have unlimited access to the media which gleefully broadcasts their elitest political views. How often does the average American voter have access to that kind of influence? That's the actual source of the anger that the Vegas audience was giving vent to. Whether it is a fair assessment or not, many moderate and conservative Americans feel that the press panders to the Hollywood mindset and the political left.
The level of the division between Americans of different political persuasians is becoming frightening. Moore's movie and Ronstadt's comments aren't bridging that gap...they are widening it. They may believe that they are solidifying support behind their candidate Kerry...but they are galvanising the right as well.
It's going to be a dirty political season.
Does this mean you are just as "ticked" off about people who have more money than you and can influence the sheep with their neo con elitest political views? :lol
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
xrtoronto you are being an idiot if you think celebrity singers are somehoiw the least bit worldy or insightful.. If nothing else thje simple fact that they are almost always sorrounded by a bunch of groveling "yes man" attendants, agents and other groupies would tend to skew their view of world events and assure that their own private prejudices and ignorance are not challenged...
compared to lasz my neighbours dog is more worldly:lol
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
So I guess that makes Anna Kournikova and the Backstreet Boys worthy of High Office if and when they should choose to run...
keep guessing...by theory of statistical probability you will get something correct sooner or later porky
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Originally posted by Maniac
Freedom of speach my ass.
if u wana have free speech u got to take the repercussions
when u open ur mouth.
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NASH re; panties
come on nash no one peed on poster. Although I would rather pee on a poster than do what your bunch did to the boy scouts. go ahead nash read my previous post then say something about it. Would love to see what a middle of the road lefty fells about the treatment of these kids,since you so wound up about an adult who can take care of herself.
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
keep guessing...by theory of statistical probability you will get something correct sooner or later porky
Not only is he smart and charming, ladies and gentlemen, but keenly attuned to all forms of sarcasm as well.
BTW, I'm gonna want my tires Armoralled too.
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She used to boink Governor Moonbeam.
And the Plow King.
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Silat,
I don't waste my time being "ticked off" about the wealthy, whether Republicans or Democrats, buying influence and swaying the masses.
That's you're job.
The political persuasions of the wealthy don't bother me. Most of them earned their money through good old-fashioned hard work. The wealth they create benefits far more people than just themselves. Most of the time when they use their money to gain political influence it is to prevent ill-conceived socialistic redistribution and industrial regulation laws from being pushed through Congress. If they weren't doing this, our more liberalistic law-makers would long ago have killed the goose that laid the golden egg.
Sheep can be classified as those who not only follow shepherds, but have an innate desire to be led and taken care of.
Doesn't sound like any conservative I know.
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Originally posted by Shuckins
The political persuasions of the wealthy don't bother me. Most of them earned their money through good old-fashioned hard work. The wealth they create benefits far more people than just themselves. Most of the time when they use their money to gain political influence it is to prevent ill-conceived socialistic redistribution and industrial regulation laws from being pushed through Congress. If they weren't doing this, our more liberalistic law-makers would long ago have killed the goose that laid the golden egg.
Excellent.
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Guess she just ain't ever gonna "be loved".
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I like Linda Ronstat's music , though not a big fan, she has a beautiful voice and is a professional.
Imo, it seems unprofessional to put half one's audience into an uneasy mood during a performance. People go to hear her sing beautiful mood enhancing songs. The audience was shortchanged and should get their money back. And not just the ones who walked out.
I feel sick whenever I hear about the division of Americans in situations like what happened at the show. This particular event violated the spirit of peacable assembly of like minded and law abiding citizens. Not to mention breaking the cardinal business rule of good faith and delivering what the customer expects and paid for. For those familiar with Mark Twain's works, he wrote of the royal nonesuch in Huckelberry Finn. It means a performer takes the money and runs, after making grotesque faces at the crowd, and that's the performance. Ronstat did that in a way, to half the audience at least. Would I have gotten up and left? You betcha bacon. My evening would have been ruined. Would I actively try to get my money back? No, but I would accept it if it was offered. Would I quit listening to Ronstat? Hell no, unless local radio stations start making a farse about the incident and play nothing but Ronstat all the time. She ain't a Jane Fonda. I will not watch any of her movies because she is a traitor.
Ronstat made a poor choice of words. Her mistake is leaving potential customers gun shy, so to speak, so they don't know what to expect.
Les
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Thanks Capt....I do what I can.
Regards, Shuckins/Leggern
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Originally posted by Shuckins
rpm,
You've learned a few tricks from MM...such as quoting out of context. The very next statement says..."How often does the average American have access to that kind of influence?"
The average American...you know...the citizens of any political stripe. How many average Americans agree with the political views being spouted by these Hollywood dingbats? Or do you believe that those who booed and walked out on Ronstadt were all Republicans?
I quoted nothing out of context. I addressed the point with a counterpoint. The rest of the sentence had nothing to do with the point at hand, celebrity political endorsement.
Linda Ronstadt used her celebrity status to address her political view. The fact that view was a liberal one is what the uproar is about. Had it been a conservative remark I doubt there would have been the same reaction.
When Tom Selleck, Will Smith, Shannon Doherty, Rick Schroder or Kelsey Grammar give pro Bush remarks , you don't see the same reaction from liberals. I believe 1 current celebrity has gone so far as (now get this as an abuse of celebrity status) getting elected governor of his state and another did the same thing to gain a Senate seat.
The point is, it is OK to use your celebrity status as long as it is conservative. That is called hypocrisy.
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AFAIC that's the whole point.
I'm suprised anyone even had the guts to bring this up in the first place.
Linda says some stuff you don't like, and you completely freak out. I mean totally lose yer ***** freak out.
That, to me, says just about everything.
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Please tell us of the source of your education in political philosophy? I suspect it consists of talk radio and not much else.
we live in a republic, not a democracy. Any time you want to compare education credentials, fire away.
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The US is a liberal democracy, cripes just look definition already provided.
First year Political Science, Carleton University. :rolleyes:
PS: "A republic is a form of government (and a state so governed) where a monarch is not the head of state. The word is derived from the Latin res publica, or "public affair", and suggests an ownership and control of the state by the population at large. The concept of democracy, however, is not implicit to that of a republic. The republican form of government may involve a limited democracy, where such rights are available only to a limited group of people. In some cases, a republic may be a dictatorial or totalitarian state. The term is also broad enough to include representative democracies."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic
PPS: Regarding the threads topic and the various and sundry responses to it I will say this, the US is going insane.
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The US is a liberal democracy, cripes just look definition already provided.
I guess I could cite several sources that refer to it as a republic, but you guys wouldn't learn anything if I wrote it on a brick and threw it at you.
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Here's one
Brittanica:
United States
country of North America, a federal republic of 50 states. Besides the 48 contiguous states that occupy the middle latitudes of the continent, the United States includes the state of Alaska, at the ...
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Thrawn, I hope you're not judging Americans by what I said.:)
The good thing about insanity is, no one asks you to explain.
PPS: Regarding the threads topic and the various and sundry responses to it I will say this, the US is going insane.
Les
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I found that for a democrats to get ahead in life they need a GED, welfare, Quotas, my TAXES, a good drug connection and a lying democratic pollition, say Kerry! to wishy washy, hmm, clinton! to much woody, and his *****! to many blond moments, kennady what a drunk!, and the vice president wanna be, just a wanna be.
I would like to thank bush for going to war and to start to do something, anything! to take the war to the terrorist. We had to wait 8 years so this could be done.
Also thank you for allowing me to carry a fire arm in the cockpit.
Sandy Berger is still trying to cover for clinton, he got caught wish his panties stuffed.
I would also like to thank bush for the huge tax cuts and low interest rates on my huge home loan. This never happened with any liberal party.
For a democrat in order to join the military, the Judge says either you join the military or go to jail. Its about time they they pay for my freedom.
Thank you Jane Fonda, for betraying my country, typical democrat or comi ***** which ever you prefer.
Arnold, you go terminator!
Linda Ronstat, and her boy friend shows what a GED will do for you. Rip up a poster for me.
Democrats, now what to say. Oh! dont feal bad you cant make the big bucks on your own, I and others, the american tax payers will help your under privaledge #$$ to get your favorite hud property you have been wishing for, you know the one Im taking about, the one across the tracks!
Next time you get to vote, you only get to punch one hole not two, Oh! your chads hanging.
The euros are a different sort of trash, they really,really, had to study and study hard to get there GEDs.
Just let us know when you need bailling out again, when the next bad guy takes your HUD property away from you. You know like what the germans tryed to do. Its ok though we will send are jail birds (democrats) to war, so you can bad mouth us again. Your welcome.
I pledge to the republic, not the democracy, with liberty and justice for all.
It nice to be in a high tax brackett, oh dont cry your welfar checks in the mail. You can thank me later.
Later
:aok
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Originally posted by firbal
If I can add something else to this. Did you watch the 2000 Dem Convention when the Boy Scouts, kids, not the Adults, prsented the Colors in the Convention? They were booed!! All this because they disaggree with their stand on Gay Leaders. So they booed the kids. And to me the flag of our Nation. Shows the kind of people the Dems really are.
you are correct sir
enough said...
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Originally posted by X2Lee
Linda was singing a song on the radio today and I changed the channel, I dont think I have ever tuned her out before....
Oh the horror! I'm sure she's going to be realy dissed about this!
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Originally posted by Saintaw
Oh the horror! I'm sure she's going to be realy dissed about this!
If enough people do it, yes she will..
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Right, just like when YOU stopped buying "French" products, heh? the french economy crumbled.
I wonder how you manage to get that high without taking drugs.
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First of what is this YOU stuff? And thanks for the nice personal attack, really adds something to your argument..
The simple fact is if enough people turn off a radio station because they play a certain musician the radio station will find out and will adjust their playlist. Their business is to have listeners listen to advertisements, so they do have ways to find out who listens or why they do or dont.. The singers who arent listend to are dropped and then they loosae the revenues f their songs on air from those stations
Just ask the Dixie Chicks, they lost a lot of money in the period shortly after their little comment... Was their carrer ruined for ever? Hell no, but they were definetly "dissed" because of consumer backlash..
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Originally posted by Straiga
I found that for a democrats to get ahead in life they need a GED, welfare, Quotas, my TAXES, a good drug connection and a lying democratic pollition, say Kerry! to wishy washy, hmm, clinton! to much woody, and his *****! to many blond moments, kennady what a drunk!, and the vice president wanna be, just a wanna be.
I would like to thank bush for going to war and to start to do something, anything! to take the war to the terrorist. We had to wait 8 years so this could be done.
Also thank you for allowing me to carry a fire arm in the cockpit.
Sandy Berger is still trying to cover for clinton, he got caught wish his panties stuffed.
I would also like to thank bush for the huge tax cuts and low interest rates on my huge home loan. This never happened with any liberal party.
For a democrat in order to join the military, the Judge says either you join the military or go to jail. Its about time they they pay for my freedom.
Thank you Jane Fonda, for betraying my country, typical democrat or comi ***** which ever you prefer.
Arnold, you go terminator!
Linda Ronstat, and her boy friend shows what a GED will do for you. Rip up a poster for me.
Democrats, now what to say. Oh! dont feal bad you cant make the big bucks on your own, I and others, the american tax payers will help your under privaledge #$$ to get your favorite hud property you have been wishing for, you know the one Im taking about, the one across the tracks!
Next time you get to vote, you only get to punch one hole not two, Oh! your chads hanging.
The euros are a different sort of trash, they really,really, had to study and study hard to get there GEDs.
Just let us know when you need bailling out again, when the next bad guy takes your HUD property away from you. You know like what the germans tryed to do. Its ok though we will send are jail birds (democrats) to war, so you can bad mouth us again. Your welcome.
I pledge to the republic, not the democracy, with liberty and justice for all.
It nice to be in a high tax brackett, oh dont cry your welfar checks in the mail. You can thank me later.
Later
:aok
You sir are the best advertisment the Democrats could possibly have. Thank You.
Oh and :aok
MrBlack?
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Whats with attacking GEDs straiga? One of the best things in the USA is the endless opportunties of our educational system..
I dropped out of High School and got a GED. Without it and also the Comminity College system there is no way I could have eneded up in a great four year school and graduated this year with a business degree..
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
xrtoronto you are being an idiot if you think celebrity singers are somehoiw the least bit worldy or insightful.. If nothing else thje simple fact that they are almost always sorrounded by a bunch of groveling "yes man" attendants, agents and other groupies would tend to skew their view of world events and assure that their own private prejudices and ignorance are not challenged...
Thinking all celebrities are worldly and inciteful is just as idiotic as thinking none of them are.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
(http://www.ronstadt-linda.com/livusa3.jpg)
She's not the lively little girl you once knew! Matter of fact, I think today she is a perfect match for Moore! ;)
(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040720/capt.ny10807200303.people_ronstadt_ny108.jpg)
"Super size it, please.."
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That pic was from 1996.
She's much bigger now.
(http://www.ronstadt-linda.com/rich1.jpg)
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Ahhh Grun and his "Personal attacks" line, I take it that's your favourite one lately. Seems we have a choice between being "Anty-amerikan" and "personaly attacking you" whenever we adress you. get a grip...please.
How much did the dixie chicks loose? They probably made more because of the advertising that followed. Hell, I thought Ronstad was long dead before I saw this post, I guess this will serve her as advertising as well.
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Oh God.....! That's Linda Ronstadt...? Why can't they all age like Michelle Phillips ?
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xtoronto... you are correct.. I barely got through high school. I don't really cook much so if you eat at my house you will get what you get or we can go to a resteraunt... In any case, I would be glad to have you and we can discuss whatever you like. I am sure that in person you are a brighter than you appear to be on the BB (how could anyone not be?) what with all your urbane canada'ness and fancy education and all...
Nash... no, I would not tear down posters but I would definetly boo her after she made statements that I disagreed with. I could clap or boo... in her case, a boo was in order. All celebreties take the same chance no matter what their views.
lazs
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Originally posted by Otto
Oh God.....! That's Linda Ronstadt...? Why can't they all age like Michelle Phillips ?
Because shes a liberal. All liberals over 50 are fat.
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Originally posted by Saintaw
Oh the horror! I'm sure she's going to be realy dissed about this!
Just in my mind, hey she dont give a watermelon already.
BUt Im not the only fan she lost...
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I am sure that it has not escaped most peoples notice that the largest condemnation of lierals is that they feel that because of their education and vies that they are elite... better than most.. They want socialism for the masses but feel that they will get better than that because they are elite. It will not escape most that eventually the liberal posters lose it and their true feelings come out.
They love humanity but hate people.. That is why they love big cities where there is no personal human contact. That is why they tend to hide in academics or journalism or entertainment where they are insulated from the world.
lazs
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Originally posted by demaw1
NASH re; panties
come on nash no one peed on poster. Although I would rather pee on a poster than do what your bunch did to the boy scouts. go ahead nash read my previous post then say something about it. Would love to see what a middle of the road lefty fells about the treatment of these kids,since you so wound up about an adult who can take care of herself.
No relpy from the left yet Post a link to this I want to
read about it. The boy scouts is a much finer institution that the
democratic party....
you know what with having moral fiber.
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So, that means you will stop listening to "Music" you liked, because the one singing it has a different POV than you?
If I had to follow that line of thought I'd probably end up listening to Engelberd Humperdink (sp?) only.
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rpm,
If I attend a concert that has been billed AS a concert I would prefer that it BE a concert...and not a political rally. If I know what I am going to hear I can at least make a decision beforehand about whether or not I want to spend my money to hear it.
Ronstadt's audience paid their money to hear her perform her hit songs, not give an in-your-face speech supporting a controversial political figure.
You have not addressed the latter part of my original post, which states that Moore and Ronstadt's films and actions are widening the political divisions in this country. That is beyond dispute, especially in Moore's case. Many of the comments on these bulletin boards are more bitter and vitriolic because of Moore's films and statements. Fahrenheit 9/11 is unique in film history, using cut-and-past snippets to level dubious charges against a sitting president, and distributed during an election year in the arrogant certainty that there was insufficient time for legal opposition to develop.
Conservatives, whether Democrats or Repupblicans, are not stupid. They know full well what Moore and the rest of the Hollywood crowd are attempting to do, use their unfettered access to a sympathetic press to "sway the masses." And so, the division of America continues.
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Originally posted by Saintaw
I wonder how you manage to get that high without taking drugs.
A clearly unwarnted personal attack saw.. It has nothing to do with anything except as an insult..
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Originally posted by Saintaw
So, that means you will stop listening to "Music" you liked, because the one singing it has a different POV than you?
If I had to follow that line of thought I'd probably end up listening to Engelberd Humperdink (sp?) only.
Yeah, it not on purpose. its just a gag reflex.
When Clinton was president everytime he was on tv I changed the channel. I still turn off the dixie chicks and I dont watch movies with alec baldwin in them among many others.
Thats why they should keep thier politics where they belong.
America is divided along political lines.
Entertainers should entertain you, not piss you off imo.
JMHO
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well said x2lee. I stopped watching the news entirely during the klinton reign... He actually did me a favor in that respect.
lazs
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My point, Xlee, is that the only one loosing here, is you... not the artist. (Or, you could end up switching to listening to Engelberd Humperding only ;))
Grun, Zzzzz... try to answer my question instead of acting like a little girl.
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Originally posted by -MZ-
Somewhere your education (or lack thereof) failed you. America is a liberal democracy.
see sig below.
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Originally posted by -MZ-
Somewhere your education (or lack thereof) failed you. America is a liberal democracy.
No it's a representative republic.
There is nothing "DEMOCRATIC" about our government. It was never meant to be a democracy. That is the "majority rules". This would have been a failure.
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Originally posted by Maniac
Freedom of speach my ass.
"As long as you DO NOT infringe on the RIGHTS of OTHERS". Why is this sentence always missing from "Free Speech drivelers"?
Like Muck said, STFU and sing. You'd think these idiot's would learn the lessons that the Dixie Chicks learned.
I think Ronstadt sucked anyways. Vegas was doing her a favor.
Karaya
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Originally posted by Saintaw
My point, Xlee, is that the only one loosing here, is you... not the artist. (Or, you could end up switching to listening to Engelberd Humperding only ;))
Grun, Zzzzz... try to answer my question instead of acting like a little girl.
No its my~~~ CHOICE~~~~
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Or maybe it would have been better altogheter to inform you on what views your favorite artists has before you buy the ticket to the consert?
Everyone happy.
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Originally posted by Maniac
Or maybe it would have been better altogheter to inform you on what views your favorite artists has before you buy the ticket to the consert?
Everyone happy.
Don't worry, I just heard on the radio "Linda Ronstadt, Live In Concert, coming to a Sunoco Gas Station near you." ;)
Karaya
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No matte how you cut it... booing is free speach. It is probly in poor taste to go to a speaker that you know you will disagree with for the sole purpose of booing but it is perfectly acceptable when blindsided by some empty headed bimbo who you paid to hear sing.
besides.... I thought everyone loved moore ? didn't he get standing ovations everywhere?
lazs
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Still trying to find a story on the "Boy Scout" incident that isn't on a biased rag. Anyone?
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No matte how you cut it... booing is free speach. It is probly in poor taste to go to a speaker that you know you will disagree with for the sole purpose of booing but it is perfectly acceptable when blindsided by some empty headed bimbo who you paid to hear sing.
I agree. It wasnt like it was Rage against the machine or something...
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Originally posted by Steve
Any time you want to compare education credentials, fire away.
BA Public Administration/City Planning and Political Science, MBA drop out, SDSU
You?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Still trying to find a story on the "Boy Scout" incident that isn't on a biased rag. Anyone?
MT, I was watching the convention and I saw it on TV. . As I remember it, was the California deligation and they were seated right in front of the stage. I'm not BS'ing you.
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the thing that gets me is people going off like a-holes "expressing" themselves in an effort to get people to start "thinking".....
You know ronstandt..STFU and sing.
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Chuck, STFU and fly.:D
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The thing I, as a non-American, find strange about this thread and some of the views is that, if she had for example dedicated her encore to Hussein being captured or an end to oppression, or a certain leader's support for the US after 9/11, the expressing of those political views would have been accepted (not that they would have been reported tho).
But it seems to me that because it is views that are unacceptable to half the population, and more than half of the people who have frequented this thread, then she should display no political views whatsoever.
Dont deny that there are some political things she could have said which, whilst not directly affecting the USA itself, were still political views, would have resulted in all or most of the conservatives in this thread saying 'you go girl'.
Glas
JG13 Lokis Kinder
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BA Public Administration/City Planning and Political Science, MBA drop out, SDSU
Ahhh I thought about going back for an MBA, never could rekindle the drive. BA w/ a double major, CJ/business w/ a minor in Psych, Minnesota State.
As you now know, we do not live in a democracy.
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Shuckins, from what I've seen it was not an "in your face" speech. Ronstadt is not widening the political gap in this country. It is a symptom of this country's current leadership. The old "If you're not with me, you're against me" routine wears thin after a while.
To say that Moore released his film in such a manner as to prevent legal action against it is just plain ignorant. He also used the secret science of editing...oh, my, god! Have you ever seen a film by Moore? That is his whole commando style of filmmaking. To criticize the film for it's editing is like criticizing a James Bond film because he had these "silly spy gadgets".
Only conservatives are acting this way. I don't see liberals throwing a temper tantrum everytime a performer backs Bush. Take Toby Keith for instance. You don't see riots after his shows.
I suspect if investigated further we might discover a common link amongst those causing the disturbance, likely republican. Embrace the fact that to be a NeoCon is to believe you are better than everyone else and continue to act that way.
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Originally posted by Steve
I guess I could cite several sources that refer to it as a republic, but you guys wouldn't learn anything if I wrote it on a brick and threw it at you.
Steve, why do you think that "republic" and "liberal democracy" are mutually exclusive?
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rpm,
I've already stated that she can say whatever she wants in public or private. Ronstadt's fans run the political gamut from far left to far right. She knows this. She should have known that the casino contained fans who would find her remarks offensive. If she didn't then she is a total featherhead. At the very least, it was an insensitive thing to do. Once she exercised her first amendment rights, the fans were free to exercise theirs. Defacing the posters may have been a bit over the top, but there was no physical violence.
Liberals have no lock on manners and courtesy. I remember the sixties well...where people on both sides of political issues attempted to shout each other down, and anti-war activists spit on returning soldiers. But...I guess one could say they were just exercising their first-amendment rights...couldn't one?
A public performance given for paying customers is an entirely different thing from an interview given to a reporter. There is a time and a place for everything...and the concert was the wrong time and place to be making political statements to a captive audience.
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I agree that extreemist liberals have done some shameful things that I don't support in the past. But, as the old saying goes 2 wrongs, don't make a right.
If they disagreed that strongly with Linda's remarks they should have boo'ed, left the theater and asked for a refund. Anything else is not "a political statement", it's being an ultra melon.
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glas... no conservative or, no man that is not gay or a pandering liberal would ever say "you go girl"..
you guys miss the point. She had her free speech and the audience had theirs.... It doesn't matter what was said only that it was (free speech) and that the audience reacted (free speech).
obviously, she either missjudged her audience, America or her popularity or all three.
lazs
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Oh common rpm such stuff is to be expected from "commando style" concert audiences..
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Ya know Grun, it never occured to me that it might have been a set-up. You may be on to something.
I was thinking more along the lines of a group or convention being in town.
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Originally posted by lazs2
you guys miss the point. She had her free speech and the audience had theirs.... It doesn't matter what was said only that it was (free speech) and that the audience reacted (free speech).
No you just don't get it.
Attacking police, obstructing traffic, blocking bridges = Free Speech.
Tossing (plastic) cocktail cups, tearing up (paper) posters = Riot.
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funked... I understand the philosophy... only the elite can decide what is right and wrong because Americans are, as moore puts it, the stupidest people on the planet. the elite, like moore, are embarassed by us.
lazs
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[flameproof suit]Lazs, Moore has a valid point. We are a nation of sheep hearded by the media.[/flameproof suit]
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yes... I would say that you are living proof of that as is he. Even when it becomes apparent to even you that he is a lying scumbag you will simply feel betrayed by one man and believe the next whopper the left jams down your throat on the nightly news or in a (cough) "documentary" by some little angry troll.
lazs
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Mass media runs the 2 minute attention span this country has. You know it as well as I do. Every outlet has it's own agenda, some to lesser degrees than others. The trick is to know the degree of spin by the source and in which direction.
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looks like moores 2 minutes are about up.
lazs
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It would be already if the conservatives wouldn't keep digging it up.
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ronstat is a conservative?
lazs
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Downloaded a bunch of Ronstadt's songs on Ares.
That'll show her!!
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If the crowd had walked out and not thrown a hissy fit it would never have made the news because Moore was old news. That was my point.
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Originally posted by rpm371
[flameproof suit]Lazs, Moore has a valid point. We are a nation of sheep hearded by the media.[/flameproof suit]
So Moore is a hypocrite too - making a manipulative movie which if IIRC he said was intended to sway peoples' voting...
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So......
Moore made a movie that was about movies that sway people in order to sway people by telling them not to be swayed people?
got it.
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At least he told you right up front what the intention of the film was. That's moore (nudge,nudge, wink,wink) than most media outlets.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
So......
Moore made a movie that was about movies that sway people in order to sway people by telling them not to be swayed people?
got it.
You got something... Cant say what, but you got it... :lol
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can any one of you neo-clowns tell me why not one law suite against MMoore's 'pack of lies' has not been launced or even talked about in the media? The money to be made is vast if what your state is true.
(watch...no response again):rolleyes:
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I read through all of this and failed to see anyone mention the fact Moores Film is FICTION........not based on facts but on creative editing......thus this film is considered FICTION.
WTG Las Vegas for giving her the Boot!!!
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
(watch...no response again):rolleyes:
Ah, wheres the boy scout link again?
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Patience, my man, patience. These things take time. I'm fully convinced that, when they are ready, Moore's victims are going to force him to put-up-or-shutup in a court of law. And the victims of Fahrenheit 9/11 include more than just the Bush family.
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Originally posted by lazs2
glas... no conservative or, no man that is not gay or a pandering liberal would ever say "you go girl"..
Fair point :) Bear in mind tho, it wasnt me who introduced that line to this thread ;)
Originally posted by lazs2
you guys miss the point. She had her free speech and the audience had theirs.... It doesn't matter what was said only that it was (free speech) and that the audience reacted (free speech).
Your right, the audience were more than entitled to excercise their free speech. And the hotel were more than entitled not to book her for any future performances. What really annoyed me was that they actually removed her from the premises!!!!!
Talk about over-stepping the mark :rolleyes:
Originally posted by lazs2
.....missjudged her audience.......
lazs
Too right, and for that she deserved to be booed and heckled.
Stupid cow ;)
Glas
JG13 Lokis Kinder
p.s I reiterate, had the political message had no relevance to US politics, it would most likely have been welcomed, imo. So please dont use the 'no politics for performing artists', cos you would only apply it when it suits you.
Politics is everywhere, not just among the Democrats and Republicans of the USA ;)
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Still trying to find a story on the "Boy Scout" incident that isn't on a biased rag. Anyone?
A quick google search of "california delegation boos boy scouts convention" turned up enough to lead me to believe this occured. You're "Biased rag" statement is accurate, however:
- www.freerepublic.com
- www.indegayforum.org
- www.hillary.org
- www.scouter.com
- www.templeofdemocracy.com
- www.rushonline.com
All of them seem to be consistant. It almost makes you wonder why this wasn't worthy of bigger news coverage? I mean... fans booing Linda Rondstadt is definately a bigger issue than California delegates boing Eagle Scouts at a Democratic National Convention that they scouts were INVITED to.
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
can any one of you neo-clowns tell me why not one law suite against MMoore's 'pack of lies' has not been launced or even talked about in the media? The money to be made is vast if what your state is true.
(watch...no response again):rolleyes:
Sue if you want. The reality of lawsuits is at the judge's whim. It depends on who he likes. It's taking a big gamble.
Les
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Originally posted by Mini D
A quick google search of "california delegation boos boy scouts convention" turned up enough to lead me to believe this occured. You're "Biased rag" statement is accurate, however:
- www.freerepublic.com
- www.indegayforum.org
- www.hillary.org
- www.scouter.com
- www.templeofdemocracy.com
- www.rushonline.com
All of them seem to be consistant. It almost makes you wonder why this wasn't worthy of bigger news coverage? I mean... fans booing Linda Rondstadt is definately a bigger issue than California delegates boing Eagle Scouts at a Democratic National Convention that they scouts were INVITED to. [/B]
Link #1 is a link to a link, and the story isn't there anymore.
Link #2 is a pro-gay story regarding the SC ruling for the BSA regarding gay scout leaders.. it does contain this one sentence "President Clinton continues to serve as an honorary Scout leader, and Scouts were trotted out onto the platform at the Democratic National Convention for a patriotic moment (to the boos of a few gay delegates). "
Link #3 just contains a reprint of the Washington Times article on the subject.
Link #4 is a Scout BBS... sheesh Mini.... you said they were all in agreement?
Link #5 is the index to a paper called Southern Partisan's articles of the year 2000. No content at all. Looking bad for you here.
Link #6 Rush Limbaugh... nuff said.
So here is my take on the matter. Maybe 3 maybe even 4 gay delegates to the convention let it be known that they disliked the boy scouts. This is obviously a rotten thing to do to young men. I say young men, because they were all Eagle scouts. Very few get the award before age 17. These people should have been censured at least. I don't know if they were or not. No one can find the information.
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You are trying awfuly hard to marginalize that behavior MT..
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
You are trying awfuly hard to marginalize that behavior MT..
There is a big space between marginalize and sensationalize. I'm somewhere in there.
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I don't think so MT.
You're being dismissive. It doesn't fit and you're excusing it.
Left wing and right wing "rags" have it with pretty much the same story on all of them. The washington times article with qoutes. It doesn't matter to you because somehow you feel people booing and tearing down posters at a concert is more of an issue to congressional deligates booing eagle scouts as they perform honor guard duties to make a political statement.
Sorry, but this whole scene is sad. The only thing both have in common is that either an individual or a group of people chose very inappropriate times and places to make political statements. But then... that's the norm these days.
MiniD
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Rpm...re;...only conservatives.....legal action....if your not with me.
Only conservatives well lets see .You all have seen my post about boy scouts, dems convention oh ya their conservatives for got..People for American way doing all they can to stop cub scouts from doing anything on public or blm land,damn consv. for got. Spidermans girl in spiderman[u got it wont say her name] was asked on radio interview,if u could have spidermans power for 1 day what would u do...she said kill bush. B.ithc couldnt have said I would stop all cowardly drive by shootings of little girls and boys in certain areas..yikes consv. I forgot...certain web sites saying hitler and bush the same, now it is stalin and bush.I could go on and on.Wish I could somehow bring hitlers victims alive.give them some weapons,most of you people saying this would be dead in no time.
Legal action,can not be taken against moore as bush is a public figure and you can say anything you want about him or anyone else deemed a public figure.
Yep after being in here for 2 weeks Id say [if you arnt with us you are against us]
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Originally posted by Mini D
I don't think so MT.
You're being dismissive. It doesn't fit and you're excusing it.
Left wing and right wing "rags" have it with pretty much the same story on all of them. The washington times article with qoutes. It doesn't matter to you because somehow you feel people booing and tearing down posters at a concert is more of an issue to congressional deligates booing eagle scouts as they perform honor guard duties to make a political statement.
Sorry, but this whole scene is sad. The only thing both have in common is that either an individual or a group of people chose very inappropriate times and places to make political statements. But then... that's the norm these days.
MiniD
Not being dismissive at all. I said they should be censured. Where did I say the poster tearing was worse? Nice try mini, but your just side stepping the fact that you tried to make it look like you found tons of info when it was just more nothingness.
It boils down to ONE "major" news source. The Washington Times. You should know that this is a conservative shill rag if there ever was one.
All that I have read points to a very small group doing a very bad thing. That is all.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
The Washington Times. You should know that this is a conservative shill rag if there ever was one.
That's being generous.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I said they should be censured. Where did I say the poster tearing was worse? Nice try mini, but your just side stepping the fact that you tried to make it look like you found tons of info when it was just more nothingness.
You made it look worse when you took one incident and condemnened people's reaction and casually dismissed another because there "wasn't enough supporting evidence". I find it funny that you actually need to know that more people reported on it in order to believe it when a gay activist page and a rush limbaugh page basically support the same claims. Was there something about the washington times report that was misleading big guy?
I didn't claim to have tons of info. I claimed to have done a simple search on google... 1 time. That's what I came up with. I guess you need more information to actually believe the dems capable of something so lowly.
it's pretty damn funny when you sit back and look at it. I didn't even pay the original "claim" any attention until you hopped in to dismiss it.
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Originally posted by Nash
That's being generous.
Well, they either booed the Scouts or they didn't. Does it matter who reported it if it's true?
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Originally posted by AKIron
Well, they either booed the Scouts or they didn't. Does it matter who reported it if it's true?
Apparently yes. Funny thing is they wouldnt doubt it for a second if the NY Times ran the article...
:rofl
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That's zactly right. Well not exactly but near enough.
I think we need to go over this again.
In Washington, Post=good, Times=bad.
In New York, Times=good, Post=bad.
So much confusion......
I know yer prolly gonna wanna put up a fight (blah), but if you disagree yer gonna have to defend the NY Post and Washington Times. Why?
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Originally posted by Nash
That's zactly right. Well not exactly but near enough.
I think we need to go over this again.
In Washington, Post=good, Times=bad.
In New York, Times=good, Post=bad.
So much confusion......
I know yer prolly gonna wanna put up a fight (blah), but if you disagree yer gonna have to defend the NY Post and Washington Times. Why?
Google it or shuddup, hehehe
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Nuke, you just don't see that you had an adverse gut reaction to something, and while knowing nothing about the subject, wanted to argue against it.
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(http://www.gemm.nl/webgemms/jayson--blair.jpg)
I know that somehow in your mind this makes the NYT more credible, but for the rest of us - well..
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You're just smart enough to know that this isn't saying anything.
At the NYT, not only did this guy get bounced, but so did his bosses and a bunch of other people...
It was a shocker, and everyone freaked out.
Why would that be? And would have it garnered quite the same reaction at any other paper?
You know what that means... and you concur... thus the reason for your preemptive defense.
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So the glorious NYT designing a company culture that promoted outright lying by this reporter means nothing... Roger that...
What did he title the book? Bringing down my masters house, was it? A bit presumptous but not far off wrt to the papers credibity in the near term..
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Neat. Using the con artist's words to prop up an argument against the victim of said con.
And what did he lie about?
Touchie-feely type stories.
It was bad, no doubt. But come on...
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So it's OK for the NYT to fabricate certain articles but not others? Who decides and when do readers know? :)
It was bad, it was and is terrible for the paper's reputation and fairly or unfairly it will potentially taint the reputations of everyone involved with the NYT for some time to come.
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By that I mean that stories of greater importance than what Blair was doing received greater scrutiny and fact checking.
It wouldn't suprise me to learn that now, because of this, when someone reports on a son picking daffodils for mother's day, the paper makes sure that they are in fact daffodils and not lilies.
Y'all, some of you, look for any excuse to distrust one of the few legit sources of information. It's a great paper. It will survive your weak attempts to marginalize it. Cuz ya can't do any better. Even with the Blair debacle, ya just can't come anywhere near close to creating a cleaner paper.
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And you continue blindly trusting it. Putting a great deal of faith in a fallible human institution for a sharp eyed skeptic, arent you.. :)
It seems to me in the context of this boy scouts story, your stance is almost if the NYT doesnt report it then it cant be true - regardless if other diverse sources tell the story.
And you try to marginalize the Blair debacle... How may stories did he fake? For how long did he do it? Heck they didnt even check to see that he was a college graduate when they hired him, maybe they should have asked for a transcript, a pretty normal thing hiring somebody out of school who claims to be a graduate. Also why did nobody at NYT take notice thar Blair wasnt submittinmg travel expenses for all his national stories? The problem is far bigger than just this Blair guy...
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I don't blindly trust it.
Even close.
Human frailty.
They got completely duped, and I'm not talking about Blair. At least they admitted it.
But still... Duped. So no, I don't blindly trust anything.
Still, those folks have more integrity than 99 percent of people you're about to run up against, Grun. They take this stuff personally.
The NYT is about as quality of a paper as ya can get. Anywhere in the world. I'd be proud of it.
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But in this thread you almost seem to have this idea that if they dont run a story then its not true, I think thats dangerous.
Are you then saying that all the other papers are grossly dishonest? Or just papers whose editorials lean in a different direction than maybe you would prefer?
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Huh?
not sure....
But do you know the New York Post? Or the Washington Times?
These papers only get more ridiculous the more you know about them.
I get sick of people quoting them, thinking they have "post" and "times" in the right order.
Huge, HUGE difference.
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So generally speaking, for example, in your eyes anything in the Washington Times not backed up by the Washington Post is not really credible?
To what do you attribute that? Poor reporters? Dishonest reporters? Bad editors? Dishonest editors? Bad support staff?
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Bad owner.
The Washington Times is owned by Rev. Moon, of the bizarre and dangerous Mooney cult.
Moon runs the Washington Times at a big loss each year, but keeps putting money into it in an attempt to endear himself to right-wing politicians.
So no, I wouldn't trust anything with their byline.
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I think Voss has more class in his little finger than someone who would boo boy scouts. Young men invited there to show the nations colors...
Such is my feeling for the democratic party.
And for all the gay people, they can do whatever they want to
behind closed doors
Its not offensive to 85% of the population till they are kissing in public.
For a gay man or woman to boo a boyscout honoring his country,
after they were invited?
It a mockery of our nation and our God.
But go on defend it some more, it sheds light on your charactor.
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You guys are deaf dumb and blind... Who is defending it?
ROFL
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Originally posted by midnight Target
You guys are deaf dumb and blind... Who is defending it?
ROFL
Those who will vote for Democrats. Who else? :lol
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Question everything,or question nothing.
If this is the best you can do,God help America,God help us all.:mad: