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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: kevykev56 on July 20, 2004, 09:29:35 AM
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I am sick of hearing, "Where was my 6 call" Like it is my responsibility to watch your ***. If I see a bandit on a friendlys six I will not hesitate to give a 6 call, as do most people.
When anyone gets shot down it isnt your team mates fault, It is your own lack of SA that gets you killed. Even in those situations where, your chasing a bandit with 8 of your guys behind you. Another NME drops in on you and while your target fixated you get killed and nobody gives you a call....well guess what...its your own fault. Yep the other guy should have given you the call but he didnt.
And how it ticks me off when I hear....."Fine nobody is check sixin me....all my squad in range dont give anyone check 6s' here unless they are in our squad".... If you wana do that fine. I will still give you a check 6 if I see it. Im not going to be a jerk to my country!
If more people would watch their own 6 and not depend on others to do it, we would have a much more peacefull community.
6 calls are a bonus, not a requirement!
RHIN0
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lol last night i got yelled at for giving this guy a 6 call. He was upset because he has to break off the La7 because there was a tiffy in on him and I couldnt gain on it.
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Ya, I heard guy on Rooks team whining about this at A-1
last night. Btw, How do you actually give someone this
check 6 message?
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u bastar* morpheus.
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You give a chk 6 by using the " ' " key. It's my opinion that you should be watching your own arse when fighting. If not, get a squad so they can babysit you while you fight. I do, however, find it frustrating when there are a bunch of friendly GV's on the ground and none can give me a heads up. There are a few planes that have rather big blind spots. And when you're RTBing for a lack of planes in the area, you're not usually watching too close.
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I give 6 calls all the time and encourage others to do the same. Lotta guys are happy to fly around without ever giving one and could care less if they get one. I invariably will whine about it from time to time...only because its just BASIC teamwork...I.E. the smallest amount of teamwork you can do for your country..PRESS THE FRIGGIN BUTTON...is that so hard?
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Originally posted by Ohio330
Ya, I heard guy on Rooks team whining about this at A-1
last night. Btw, How do you actually give someone this
check 6 message?
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Its a prebuilt message. I forget the key off the top of my head for it. But push the key and will send a check six sound file to the allied plane that is sort of in the center of your vision.
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depending on what country your on knits, bish or rooks. were all trying to smash the other side and in the end are one team no matter who's buddie buddie or fellow sqaudie, fellow countrymen should give check six calls as a courtesy but of course not an obligation. if you see someone about to get wrecked and have the time give him the courtesy do it! but if not! hey sorry bud:eek: watch you ass:aok
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I give them when I can, but I never expect them and most the time when I get one, the guy is in front of me. The only time I would be upset I didnt get a 6 call would be if it was a squaddie.
Bottom line, its YOUR job to watch your own arse, nobody elses, if you let a guy sneak up on you and kill you, tough $h!t.
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
lol last night i got yelled at for giving this guy a 6 call. He was upset because he has to break off the La7 because there was a tiffy in on him and I couldnt gain on it.
Fly a faster plane you weenie!
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"Bottom line, its YOUR job to watch your own arse, nobody elses, if you let a guy sneak up on you and kill you, tough $h!t."
sigh
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Originally posted by xBarrelx
I do, however, find it frustrating when there are a bunch of friendly GV's on the ground and none can give me a heads up.
What makes you think that because there are GVs around they are in any better position to give a Check6? If they are anything like me, they will have their gunsight zoomed right in to an enemy aircraft and simply won't be able to see most of the friendlies around.
I do give Check6's when I can, but I completely agree with RHIN0 - in the end, it's nobody's fault but your own for lack of SA if you are shot down. My reply to anyone asking if anybody gives Check6's is always "No" (even though I do, when possible). :D
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Check 6's are just something else for everyone to whine about. Either someone isn't getting them... or they are... but they are too late, or they yell 'don't yell check 6! do something about it!' etc... I love they guys complaining about check 6's when we are being vulched on a field and outnumbered 10-1. No DUH! Also... the 1/2 second or so delay in voice makes it hard to time calls right anyway. I appreciate calls when I get them, and I give calls IF I don't think the friendly pilot is aware.
Last week I chased a con who was chasing a running friendly. He chased for a LONG time... and finally caught up to the friendly just as I caught up to him... and the friendly complains about me not giving a check 6... dang... he was right there for a good minute! LOL My SA isn't even that bad.
Almost as funny as the "I saw him back there for ages... you weren't going to say something?" Ah.... why would you want a check 6 if you saw them?
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I have check 6 mapped to one of my joystick keys, but I miss giving some check 6 calls, or give them too late because I can't get the endangered friendly targeted in my gunsite or centered in some other view.
Also, some times the closest plane to the center of my screen isn't the one that I want to check 6 and I give a call to the wrong plane. This usually occurs in some other than the forward view.
It would be nice to point the mouse on the endanged friendly and give a six call with maybe a right click.
Just my $.02 anyways.
BTW, I give bogeys a check six with my 50's or cannons, honorable sportsman that I am ;)
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Originally posted by jaxxo
I give 6 calls all the time and encourage others to do the same. Lotta guys are happy to fly around without ever giving one and could care less if they get one. I invariably will whine about it from time to time...only because its just BASIC teamwork...I.E. the smallest amount of teamwork you can do for your country..PRESS THE FRIGGIN BUTTON...is that so hard?
100% agree. I always, if i SEE it happening give a guy a check6, it doesnt take too much time, just 1 second.... its also why it annoys me so much when i dont get one. it takes so little time to do it, and the check 6 gives the guy, that may, or may have not seen someone gaining on him a chance to get out of there.
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I always give check 6's. Actually I accidentally give too many...has anyone else noticed this, that very often your call goes to someone you didn't intend? Both players will be onscreen, I mouse over one and hit the mouse button I have mapped to ', but the other visible friendly gets the call. Which of course sucks for both of them.
How do you folks deal with that?
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Complaining that nobody gave you a check 6 is like complaining that Mommy doesn't wipe your bottom for you after you poop.
You are a big boy now, learn to look behind you every few seconds and see if someone is setting up on you. Or you could get Mommy an account and she could fly behind you.
Check 6's are like birthday presents. Just be happy you got one, don't expect one from everyone on the block.
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The only non-chx6 call that irritates me is the when someone is using me as bait and doesn't give the 6call because he doesnt want me to evade and screw-up his shot on the nme. :mad:
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Originally posted by JB42
The only non-chx6 call that irritates me is the when someone is using me as bait and doesn't give the 6call because he doesnt want me to evade and screw-up his shot on the nme. :mad:
classic example of a dweeb........
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NB taught me to only use the check six call when you want to steal a kill.
:lol
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Originally posted by ghostdancer
Its a prebuilt message. I forget the key off the top of my head for it. But push the key and will send a check six sound file to the allied plane that is sort of in the center of your vision.
Scroll up to where you posted this , then look right above it. Once again and pay attention class------>'<---------
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NB tuaht mee to use power so that luffweenie leathur doesn't chaff.
And Hitech tuaght mee houw to speell.
NUTTZ
Originally posted by Silat
NB taught me to only use the check six call when you want to steal a kill.
:lol
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I give 6 calls always if I can.
Reasons..........
1) if the 6 call works the nme now has at least 2 of us to worry about.
2) if the 6 call works this person may end up clearing my 6 or at least calling it.
3) i've watched groups, and flown with groups, that fly with little or no 6 calls, or at least as near as I could tell rarely gave em, and most got shot down in very short order and I followed them in getting shot down not too long afterward cause i was suddenly outnumbered and in deep doo doo. And in some cases we out numbered or had pretty even numbers with those we fought.
If I don't get a 6 call? If I get popped tryin to clear a 6 with say 3 or 4 friendlies behind me or all around me as well?
I fly somewhere else...... If this lack of 6 calls continues I will log for awhile. Or I will fly very high alt and hunt.
I left the Bishops and the Rooks because they very rarely gave me any 6 calls.
Some look at it as if it's a courtesy, or a bonus, and nothing more, I do not.
Gettin a 6 call late is ok with me. Means the others are trying to fly with teamwork.
On the other hand if your attitude is "it's everyone for themselves" kinda thing, hey I can hang with that, cause i'm outa there, i'm grabbin and I'm no longer worried about you. If you're such a hot pilot and don't need teamwork, if you're gonna shoot down the whole rook or bish airforce? OK :D :aok
I consider 6 calls to be right next to gunnery and acm in that it aids in survival for yourself and those around you.
I've also noticed here and there people that don't seem to give very many 6 calls, or even none, sometimes cry the loudest when they didn't get one and got popped.
But then I fly with the intention of RTBing every sortie.
Some do not.
That's my $0.02
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Everytime you dont check 6 someone, a kitten gets killed by god.
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Originally posted by phookat
I always give check 6's. Actually I accidentally give too many...has anyone else noticed this, that very often your call goes to someone you didn't intend? Both players will be onscreen, I mouse over one and hit the mouse button I have mapped to ', but the other visible friendly gets the call. Which of course sucks for both of them.
How do you folks deal with that?
Phookat, if you notice there is a slight delay between the time you press ' and when the six call is given. You will also notice the pilot to recieve the chk6 will have his icon hilighted immediatly. The reason for the delay is, you can keep pressing ' and cycling through all friendlies in your current view. The mouse doesnt control the selection, it goes to the closest player from center of view. Press ' a 2nd time right away and it will go to the 2nd closest player and so on.
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Originally posted by wrag
I give 6 calls always if I can.
Reasons..........
1) if the 6 call works the nme now has at least 2 of us to worry about.
2) if the 6 call works this person may end up clearing my 6 or at least calling it.
3) i've watched groups, and flown with groups, that fly with little or no 6 calls, or at least as near as I could tell rarely gave em, and most got shot down in very short order and I followed them in getting shot down not too long afterward cause i was suddenly outnumbered and in deep doo doo. And in some cases we out numbered or had pretty even numbers with those we fought.
If I don't get a 6 call? If I get popped tryin to clear a 6 with say 3 or 4 friendlies behind me or all around me as well?
I fly somewhere else...... If this lack of 6 calls continues I will log for awhile. Or I will fly very high alt and hunt.
I left the Bishops and the Rooks because they very rarely gave me any 6 calls.
Some look at it as if it's a courtesy, or a bonus, and nothing more, I do not.
Gettin a 6 call late is ok with me. Means the others are trying to fly with teamwork.
On the other hand if your attitude is "it's everyone for themselves" kinda thing, hey I can hang with that, cause i'm outa there, i'm grabbin and I'm no longer worried about you. If you're such a hot pilot and don't need teamwork, if you're gonna shoot down the whole rook or bish airforce? OK :D :aok
I consider 6 calls to be right next to gunnery and acm in that it aids in survival for yourself and those around you.
I've also noticed here and there people that don't seem to give very many 6 calls, or even none, sometimes cry the loudest when they didn't get one and got popped.
But then I fly with the intention of RTBing every sortie.
Some do not.
That's my $0.02
I'll add .02 to that and make it his and my .04 cents:aok
If you don't mind Wrag:D
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I only give Check 6 calls when there is no enemy around, just to see the other guy panic break.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I only give Check 6 calls when there is no enemy around, just to see the other guy panic break.
ack-ack
Gee, I wonder where you learned that, Mr Panic Spin ;)
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Chk 6s are teamwork, yes. Chk 6s, are important to survival, yes. But what happens when you're alone and there's no one to give you a chk 6? Who do you whine to? The guy attacking? What do you go on open channel and say "Gee Mr. Bad Guy why didn't you tell me on open channel to watch out for your attack."
When you can watch your six and fight at the same time, you've learned how to fight properly. I give a chk 6 whenever possible. I DO NOT expect one back. If I get shot down and I never saw the guy I blame myself, my own damn fault for not looking. I pay my $15, they pay theirs, I give chk 6s, they can do whatever they want. Get into lots of furballs. Inevitably there is going to be more than one guy you're bound to be engaged with. Just the other guy might not be in plain sight like the plane you're turn fighting or BnZing. It's all about SA and pilot skill.
The fewer chk 6s you recieve, and the more you get shot down by the enemy and you didn't see them, the more frustrated you become, and hopefully the more you watch your own arse.
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Ok, wag, you're up to 6 cents -- i agree too
I consider a check 6 to be good manners, and good teamwork. If I get nailed because I didnt look behind me, it's my own fault. Taking responsibility for one's actions is part of being a grownup, and a good part of the whining atmosphere come from the many children of advanced age hanging around AH.....
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Originally posted by xBarrelx
Chk 6s are teamwork, yes. Chk 6s, are important to survival, yes. But what happens when you're alone and there's no one to give you a chk 6? Who do you whine to? The guy attacking? What do you go on open channel and say "Gee Mr. Bad Guy why didn't you tell me on open channel to watch out for your attack."
When you can watch your six and fight at the same time, you've learned how to fight properly. I give a chk 6 whenever possible. I DO NOT expect one back. If I get shot down and I never saw the guy I blame myself, my own damn fault for not looking. I pay my $15, they pay theirs, I give chk 6s, they can do whatever they want. Get into lots of furballs. Inevitably there is going to be more than one guy you're bound to be engaged with. Just the other guy might now be in plain sight like the plane you're turn fighting or BnZing. It's all about SA and pilot skill.
The fewer chk 6s you recieve, and the more you get shot down by the enemy and you didn't see them, the more frustrated you become, and hopefully the more you watch your own arse.
Barrel...
Anyone who flies in AH any length of time should know that watching your own tail is something you HAVE to do...I agree with that....
Expecting Check 6's is living in a dream world probably as well...HOWEVER......
If I give a 6 call to someone and that someone needs help...And I fly to that someone to try to give that help (i'm talking furball here mainly) It's pretty tuff to watch behind you while trying to clear his tail of 2 , 3 , or more bad guys. Also..When you see those tracers whizzing by you and look back to see 3 or 4 MORE on you and 4 or 5 frendlies watching you get you tail shot off with not so much as a VOX call or keyboard 6 call , that's frustrating. I witnessed this SEVERAL times today.
Last Night while fighting at 23 base I think it was..or maybe it was 23 to 3 , who knows it was late , It was some of the best furballing I have been in in a long time for the very reason everyone was trying to help everyone out. I drug a spit or 2 maybe it was and Wadke , Dipstick , and Stooge , FORSEY , 38MAW and a HOST of guys helped me land. It was teamwork in the sense of everyone trying to cover eachother as best they could.
I don't see this often at all. Not only Knights (which I fly for) but Rooks as well. And I been there so I would know. Maybe it's just certain player types that do it. Possibly the "Good Flyers" think it's above them and have the "Screw the dweeb he should have watched his own tail and now I get the kill" attitude. If anything I possibly carry it to an extreme. Maybe I try to watch others and help them to much.
I will say this though...It's getting to the point that I know who helps and who doesn't...Who thinks they are "Above" others and I'll watch them spiral down because of their elietist attitudes. I'll cover my squaddies , and a few others long before they get so much as a HINT of a call. That could be the wrong attitude..If so..so be it:(
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Last Night while fighting at 23 base I think it was..or maybe it was 23 to 3 , who knows it was late , It was some of the best furballing I have been in in a long time for the very reason everyone was trying to help everyone out. I drug a spit or 2 maybe it was and Wadke , Dipstick , and Stooge , FORSEY , 38MAW and a HOST of guys helped me land. It was teamwork in the sense of everyone trying to cover eachother as best they could.
I live for furballs with that kind of teamwork. Just when you don't see it that often, it often becomes a memory and nothing more. I'm just saying that learning to watch your but is the key to becoming a good pilot. And I'm also saying taht if you whine about it, you're not making any effort to better yourself when it comes to fighting. I fly now looking back all the time, I don't even notice that I do it sometimes. I don't think this makes me better than anyone else, just that I took the initiative to learn. But most of all I believe that is what having a squad is all about. When you fly with a bunch of guys, then they are tasked with your safety and you with theirs. That's what squads are for.
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Originally posted by Murdr
Phookat, if you notice there is a slight delay between the time you press ' and when the six call is given. You will also notice the pilot to recieve the chk6 will have his icon hilighted immediatly. The reason for the delay is, you can keep pressing ' and cycling through all friendlies in your current view. The mouse doesnt control the selection, it goes to the closest player from center of view. Press ' a 2nd time right away and it will go to the 2nd closest player and so on.
Oooooooh... Thanks for the info. Can't believe I've been flying without knowing that.
Too bad all my stick buttons are mapped. :( Maybe I'll have to give up raise-flaps or something.
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I give 'em whenever I can but my priority is watching my own bellybutton before yours. Just because you're in front of me doesn't mean I see you. I'm likely to be looking back to check my own.
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Just to clarify, I give 6 calls every opportunity I can, I give a lot more than I get actually. Its not that I dont give 6 calls, I just think expecting that others are obligated to give them to you is silly. Getting mad at someone else when you dont get a 6 call and get yourself killed is even sillier. No matter how good the teamwork is, its still ultimately your responsibility to watch your own 6.
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Your $0.02 is most welcome RedTop :D
Heck throw in a $1.00 if ya want :D
YES 23 and all around it was fun last night! Allot of cooperation is what I saw and enjoyed!!!
And RedTop covered what I'm talkin about!!!
I fly alone and I watch my 6. And if I get popped yep it's my fault.
I fly with or near a group and I watch my 6 and yes, you are correct, if I get popped it's my fault.
HOWEVER! When, as I said earlier, I got friendlies behind me and I get popped with out a 6 check, I go fly elsewhere cause I was trying to help and IMHO they did not care for or want that help. Or maybe another way of expressing it is they see me as bait? :mad:
Yes I've gotten 6 calls and still got popped, cause it was a little late or I ignored it for the nme I was after, or whatever, NP what matters is the spirit is there!
IMHO the ones that give 6 calls, and appreciate the help, they are worth flyin with and helping and recieving help from!
Example: flew all around 23 last night and got a gave many 6 calls. One in paticular was someone with the handle Vudak. BTW TY Vudak. :D He was in a P38 I think and I called his 6 at least twice. He survived, I cleared his 6, and got a kill on the 190 chasing him, and as I pulled out he called my 6! A 202 was on me HOT. Without that 6 call I probably would have eased outa there and got popped, with it I manuvered and survived. That 202 chased me along ways LOL.
Also the person you call a 6 for may be a newbee and it doesn't hurt to start teachin him or her that 6 calls help us all! Be we Newbees or old hands.
And I'll close with this........
From my point of view the country you or me or any of us is flying for should be considered a really big SQUAD!
You do call 6's for your squadies don't you? :D
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Don't whine to others because YOU failed to check YOUR rear end. Not their fault YOU died because of YOUR own mistake. It's always YOUR fault, not the other guys. Acquire some SA and you'll never have this thread again.
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Damn it!! Where was my 6 call before I read this thread?? ARRGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
;)
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Green Hair? :D
Hmmmm..........
XtremJ you are IMHO extremely correct! :D
All the same If I don't get a 6 call when I need it after I just called and maybe cleared your 6 or your behind me and see that I need a 6 call while i'm in to clear someones 6 and i'm focused on gettin this bobbin and weaving nme that's chasin a bobbin and weaving, and trying to stay in the air knight, then, respectfully, I'll fly elsewhere, and I will avoid, whenever and where ever possible, flyin with, or near, you. Best wishes and good luck to you SIR . If I do get a 6 call, even if it's late or I chose to ignore it, I'll be back and try to help.
Why?
Because ......
Yes I normally pay very close attention to my own 6.
But sometimes, like when I'm trying to clear someones 6 I can get real focused and suffer target fixation.
I probably know you're in the area and probably know you're somewhere behind me. I tend to notice the handles of those flying around me. Started doing that in self defence actually.
So I'm putting some trust in you that you are there for the same reason as me and therefore will assist in whatever way you can.
I also realize that yes MAYBE I'm mistakely putting trust in who ever is behind me. I've done that enough times and got popped for it enough times that I've learned.
I've learned and am still learning who I can fly with and trust on those occasions.
Yes i've cleared someones 6 and known without a doubt that they've watched as I got shot down right afterward and NEVER SAID A WORD, NO 6 CALL, NOTHING. So every now and then I see such a person in trouble and HE or SHE is on their own thank you.
I don't think anyone can watch there back ALL the time.
I guess it's the spirit of teamwork or somethin like that.
Kinda a take care of your own thing.
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For everyone who said expecting 6 calls is stupid...you either have alot of talented squaddies (xj) or your so scared to get in a furball that you fly at 25k. These statements about "not my job" are friggin ridiculous. Its silly to think that the 40 friendlys helping to cap a field cant give someone else a 6 call. You people have a different agenda in the ma cause its certainly not overall teamwork your looking for.
That being said, I never count on a 6 call but I hand them out like candy. I try not to get mad when I see 3 friendly's chasin a con up my arse while I'm engaged but it's hard.
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I wish one could give check6 calls to the enemy....then Slap could at least warn me before he blows me outta the sky.
'My' squad is very good about it, and we make it a point to not only give the call, but try and clear the tail of friendlies, even if it 'breaks mission'. Then again, we have standing orders to WTG anyone that lands kills as well.
Teamwork and manners aren't completely dead.
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Originally posted by Rino
Gee, I wonder where you learned that, Mr Panic Spin ;)
This dweeb named PhanBoi, maybe you've heard of him?
ack-ack
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I always get 6 calls, but half of them are when I'm already falling to the ground. That's what pisses me off.
I usually say, "Wasn't that a bit late?", but there's always some stupid, snide remark from the guy who did the 6 call.
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Originally posted by jaxxo
For everyone who said expecting 6 calls is stupid...you either have alot of talented squaddies (xj) or your so scared to get in a furball that you fly at 25k. These statements about "not my job" are friggin ridiculous. Its silly to think that the 40 friendlys helping to cap a field cant give someone else a 6 call. You people have a different agenda in the ma cause its certainly not overall teamwork your looking for.
That being said, I never count on a 6 call but I hand them out like candy. I try not to get mad when I see 3 friendly's chasin a con up my arse while I'm engaged but it's hard.
Of course 6 calls are always welcome. I give out 6 calls to whoever I can when possible. But I do not blame the other guys for my death when not given a 6 call. In the case of 40 friendlies capping a field, and you die not due to a 6 call, it's understandable, but not entirely their fault, should'nt you also blame yourself?
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Please reread my post!
I answered yes you should blame yourself.
I also said allot more.
Late calls happen but at least they happen.
RJO is a great example of what teamwork can do. Might wanna go look at that thread the one about go rooks.
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Read your post Wrag, Im referring to what jaxxo said. Your not in my crosshairs right now.;)
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Fine lol
Where did ya get the green haired cuty?
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Wrag? You looking for a squad by chance? I noticed you said you fly on your own..you looking to fly with guys or just gonna stay lone wolf? Cause I would be interested in talking to you about our squad...if your looking:)
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Thank You SIR
I consider your offer a compliment.
Member (in good standing I hope) of III/JG26 9th ST WidowMakers :D
Fly on my own allot cause my squadies aren't always online when I am.
Also my squad is pretty open as to who does what and when.
We wing and do missions but we also allow squadies to do their own thing.
We got some lone wolf types that from time to time lone wolf it :D
When we all get together we have a great time. :D
Again SIR I thank you for the offer.
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:) More than Welcome...look forward to flying either with ya sometime..or agaisnt ya sometime. Either way it will be fun I'm sure.
's to you and your squaddies....See Ya Up:aok
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Originally posted by wrag
Fine lol
Where did ya get the green haired cuty?
She's hot is'nt she. :D
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I posted this fully expecting to get slammed. It was posted after hearing a tirade the night before about not getting 6 calls. It is great to see that most have the same feelings as I do about it. However, this still goes on and its always seems to be the same ones on range blabbing about it.
to all who check my 6, I will return the favor if I see it, just dont blame me if you die.
RHIN0
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I would rather fly with 6 people that are lax on 6 call then 1 who blames you for his death. An incident that happened a while back went like this: Was at a field that had enemy comming in, for a while it was 5 on 2. I'm on the deck trying like crazy to stay alive and this guy pulls in from an angle ahead of me dragging an enemy. He pulls straight up with the bogie behind him. My first thought is to clear his 6, so I yanked up behind them and started shooting. Well, he got killed and then chastised me for not giving him a 6 call.
My public apoligy:
Sorry bout that, I wrongly assumed you were watching your 6 and knew he was there, we had multiple nme on us and the adrenilin was pumping. I'm sure now if I chose to take the time to give you a 6 call instead ,if you were still alive by the time you got it, you would have done some magic uber move and lived.
But now since I've heard you do the same to other people I will try to avoid flying around you. Being blown out of the sky by a total newb (I know, I resemble that remark) is preferable to being ridiculed on an open channel for failing to protect your precious behind..
In summary:
Don't give me a 6 call, I won't blame you, it's my responsibility and mine alone. I know you might have had other things going on at the time, like keeping an eye on another enemy I don't see, I give em and am very thankfull to get them.
Whine to me about not giving you one, kiss off.