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He is just concerned about the appauling state of affairs in the country he loves.
Discuss.
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Could be, Curval. I don't really know if he loves his country. But I do know that he despises George Bush, and that is good enough for him to be portrayed as a traitor in the eyes of the reactionaries.
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Originally posted by Curval
He is just concerned about the appauling state of affairs in the country he loves.
Discuss.
Read my signature Curval.
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MM is a lying sack of excrement who cares for no one other than himself. Really nothing more to say.
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he may love America but it is a certainty that he hates Americans and anything we stand for..
Pretty much tows the liberal line... they love humanity but hate people..
"people" are who made fun of the ugly little unkempt troll when he was in school and now he is gonna get even.
lazs
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I don't like commenting on politics but F-911 was a fairly accurate documentary of what Bush has done to America.
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Originally posted by Airhead
I don't like commenting on politics but F-911 was a fairly accurate documentary of what Bush has done to America.
A: It wasn't fair.
B: It wasn't accurate.
C: It wasn't a documentary.
You sure you saw the movie?
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Originally posted by Martlet
A: It wasn't fair.
B: It wasn't accurate.
C: It wasn't a documentary.
You sure you saw the movie?
Spit that hook out. Quick before he sets it.
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Originally posted by Curval
He is just concerned about the appauling state of affairs in the country he loves.
Discuss.
Bored, are you?:rolleyes:
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Rip.
Do you have quotes of Moore saying any of this?
"It was when Moore went into a rant about how the passengers on the planes on 11 September were scaredy-cats because they were mostly white. If the passengers had included black men, he claimed, those killers, with their puny bodies and unimpressive small knives, would have been crushed by the dudes, who as we all know take no disrespect from anybody." -- From an article by Yasmin Alibhai-Brown describing a Michael Moore show in London
or are you quoting someone else who says he said it?
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moores little history of America cartoon in bowling was enough of a illustration of his hate for this nation for me.
He most certainly holds the average American in contempt.
My take on bowling was that it was more anti American culture then anti gun.
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Looks pretty plain to me Pongo. It's a quote from someone that saw Moore's show in London and is repeating what Moore said during the show.
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Maybe its missing context? Seems like someone might be bending the facts to suit their bias.
The bastards!
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Originally posted by Pongo
Rip.
Do you have quotes of Moore saying any of this?
"It was when Moore went into a rant about how the passengers on the planes on 11 September were scaredy-cats because they were mostly white. If the passengers had included black men, he claimed, those killers, with their puny bodies and unimpressive small knives, would have been crushed by the dudes, who as we all know take no disrespect from anybody." -- From an article by Yasmin Alibhai-Brown describing a Michael Moore show in London
or are you quoting someone else who says he said it?
I am quoting 3rd party. I suppose you want an investigation since you are a Moore lover :rolleyes:?
"From an article by Yasmin Alibhai-Brown describing a Michael Moore show in London"
Here is the link:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30367
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Originally posted by hawker238
Maybe its missing context? Seems like someone might be bending the facts to suit their bias.
The bastards!
Hard for you to imagine Moore poking malicious fun at white guys? Maybe you haven't seen any of his movies?
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Originally posted by AKIron
Hard for you to imagine Moore poking malicious fun at white guys? Maybe you haven't seen any of his movies?
Swing and a miss.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I am quoting 3rd party. I suppose you want an investigation since you are a Moore lover :rolleyes:?
"From an article by Yasmin Alibhai-Brown describing a Michael Moore show in London"
Here is the link:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30367
Ya your being dishonest as usual. He said those things in a comedy routine. Your quote makes it sound like he said them as a real opinion or a statement of fact. It was a comedy routine.
Your programers would be proud Rip! WTG!
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well hell then, the Grand Dragons "comedy routine" musta been just taken out of context by so many then. Surely you saw the smile under the hood.
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http://www.moorelies.com
http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com
he is a maggot..pretty easy to see..and the rest of you who love him..well your a bucnh of Hanois Fondas...
probbaly shoudl move to france with maddona..or cananda..or russia...The Axis of Weazels fits you well...
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If I was a relative or spouse of somone that was on one of those planes I wouldnt think it too funny somone saying that. Especially coming from Moore.
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Michael Moore on America:
- While promoting his book, “Dude Where’s My Country,” in Germany, Moore gave a speech in which he asserted that, “Americans are possibly the dumbest people on the planet….in thrall to conniving, thieving, smug salamanders. We Americans suffer from an enforced ignorance. We don’t know about anything that’s happening outside our country. Our stupidity is embarrassing.” (The Washington Dispatch, June 26, 2004)
- In October of 2003, Moore was quoted in the University of Michigan’s student newspaper, The Michigan Daily, as saying “there is no terrorist threat in this country. This is a lie. This is the biggest lie we’ve been told.”
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Originally posted by Pongo
Ya your being dishonest as usual. He said those things in a comedy routine. Your quote makes it sound like he said them as a real opinion or a statement of fact. It was a comedy routine.
Your programers would be proud Rip! WTG!
Oh! Didn't know he was a comic! I guess that makes all his movies comedies then?
Didn't seem funny to me, nor the author. There is no doubt that he feels those things, and tries to translate them into comedy.
Ya, lets make a joke of 3000 people dying in the WTC, yuck yuck, thats funny. :mad:
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
If I was a relative or spouse of somone that was on one of those planes I wouldnt think it too funny somone saying that. Especially coming from Moore.
Offensive comedy! Why I never....
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Micheal Moore is a patriot!
He embodies everything noble and honorable about America, and Americans.
-SW
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If your comfortable being as or more dishonest then Moore himself then fill your boots Rip. Just dont make the mistake of pointing to your sig like its some kind of relevent thing that people should read. Its just a lie.
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see there you go again
"There is no doubt that he feels those things, and tries to translate them into comedy.
Ya, lets make a joke of 3000 people dying in the WTC, yuck yuck, thats funny. "
really. There is no way in the world that a skit showing a plane being hijacked by some arabs with box openers and all the yuppies sitting there terrified but two big black thugs looking at eachother like everyone was insane and kicking the arabs tulips could be funny? Absolutily no way that could be done in a way that would make some normal people laugh?
I note that you have nearly attributed to moore that 3000 people being killed is funny. Better watch that someone will post your quote in a sig.
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does anyone else not see the irony in this. Canadians arguing to Americans about an American that hates America and weather or not a racists tasteless joke about a tragic event that happend IN and TO Americans is funny or not.
Lets throw a couple of anthrax and Oklahoma city bombing one liners and end it up with a USS Cole punchline and blame it on....hmmm lets just say bexicans because they allways carry knives and there isnt enough of them!
Har freakin Har
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Micheal Moore is a patriot!
He embodies everything noble and honorable about America, and Americans.
-SW
And that's why right-wingers hate him. He actually has the balls to try and change America for the better. Where all they can do is sputter and fume in front of thier computers.
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Micheal Moore showed that Bush is evil incarnate, there is no denying this fact.
-SW
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If moore hates america because he gives his opinion... Clearly all on the board hate america... Damn hypocrites...
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Originally posted by Pongo
If your comfortable being as or more dishonest then Moore himself then fill your boots Rip. Just dont make the mistake of pointing to your sig like its some kind of relevent thing that people should read. Its just a lie.
and it's not quoting MMoore...it's a quote of some writer for some no-name 3rd rate rag in the UK...
where are all the liable suites against Moore? NOT ONE!!!!
(gee, I wonder why that is?):lol
If you want to support bush...buy him a napsack to pack for the trip back to Tx in 3 months.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
And that's why right-wingers hate him. He actually has the balls to try and change America for the better. Where all they can do is sputter and fume in front of thier computers.
Give me your email.....You can pay my bills for me. I really dont make that much money and OBVIOUSLY that's the govts fault so we'll just impose radical socialism right here and now by you paying my bills. That's what kind of changes Moore wants to put in place right....socialism....changes for the better?
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Originally posted by Pongo
If your comfortable being as or more dishonest then Moore himself then fill your boots Rip. Just dont make the mistake of pointing to your sig like its some kind of relevent thing that people should read. Its just a lie.
Its not a lie, it shows how disgusting this man is. Would you laugh at a guy who normally considers his films "Documentaries" who is sitting at your table making jokes about 9/11? Yeah, you probably would you liberal canuck.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
And that's why right-wingers hate him. He actually has the balls to try and change America for the better. Where all they can do is sputter and fume in front of thier computers.
:lol :lol :lol Please, I'm laughing so hard right now people are staring!
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Its not a lie, it shows how disgusting this man is. Would you laugh at a guy who normally considers his films "Documentaries" who is sitting at your table making jokes about 9/11? Yeah, you probably would you liberal canuck.
It is the US that gave him the Academy award for Best Documentary for BFC. (the first documentary to win in half a century) But those professionals don't know anything do they ripsnort? But you do:rofl
you look more stupid with each post ! (im surprised you aren't part of the bush admin)
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
It is the US that gave him the Academy award for Best Documentary for BFC. (the first documentary to win in half a century) But those professionals don't know anything do they martlett? But you do:rofl
you look more stupid with each post ! (im surprised you aren't part of the bush admin)
yea they also liked the "bridges of madison county"
Maybe you should look at some of the crap that wins "awards" before you post something like that
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
It is the US that gave him the Academy award for Best Documentary for BFC. (the first documentary to win in half a century) But those professionals don't know anything do they ripsnort? But you do:rofl
you look more stupid with each post ! (im surprised you aren't part of the bush admin)
Hollywood. If you lived here, I wouldn't have to say any "moore". ;)
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can't comment..didn't see 'bridges of madison county'
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Must be desperat times for the librals if they are putting their eggs in moores basket
(http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2002/SHOWBIZ/books/04/02/review.men/vert.cover.jpg)
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
yea they also liked the "bridges of madison county"
Maybe you should look at some of the crap that wins "awards" before you post something like that
gunslinger, maybe you should do some research before you post something like that! Bridges of madison county, did NOT win an award for best picture...Imagine YOU being mistaken?:lol
list of award winning movies by year (http://www.imcpl.lib.in.us/ams_oscarpicture.htm)
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let me get this straight.... moore loves America even tho he thinks it is popuated with the dumbest people on the planet?
Just exactly what is it that he "loves" about America?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
let me get this straight.... moore loves America even tho he thinks it is popuated with the dumbest people on the planet?
Just exactly what is it that he "loves" about America?
lazs
It's full of liberals that spend 9 bucks to watch a movie about Bush's association with the Carlysle group while they are sitting in Carlysle group chairs eating Carlysle group popcorn without knowing that Carlysle group is splitting the money with Michael Moore.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Its not a lie, it shows how disgusting this man is. Would you laugh at a guy who normally considers his films "Documentaries" who is sitting at your table making jokes about 9/11? Yeah, you probably would you liberal canuck.
Scene: Pongos place after a meal of pork ribs and potatoe salad, Pongo and his buddys Micheal Moore and Ripsnort are filling in the spaces with a 24 of Sleemans Honey Brown. Mrs Ripsnort, Pongos Girl Friend and Moores boyfriend are in the kitchen with worried looks on thier faces. They have all seen how these things can turn out. Pongos sons are showing Rips sons how to piss grownups off at Halo online.
Pongo: "really cant believe that those bastards were able to take over three planes with box cutters. I mean its easy to seem a hero when your not there. But I wouldnt give up my truck to a guy with a box cutter. Much less a 767."
Ripsnort: "Boeing wanted to put anti box cutter doors in but Clinton vetoed it."
Moore: "Could you imagine if someone pulled a box cutter and Ray Lewis and Mike Tyson where on the plane? Man they would kick those arabs tulips while all the yupy comuters where following orders and crapping thier pants. "
Ripsnort: You can take over an Airbus with a paperclip!
Ripsnort jr (running into room) Daddy I got kicked from a server!
Disgusting is a skit I saw on prime time US telivision where a mother forced her sons hand into a meat grinder and made him eat the results as it came out as a form of punisment. In a comedy script.
Micheal Moore is not the first person to be amazed that the hijackers were able to control 3.5 planes with box openers. That he tried however unsuccessfully to make comedy out of that fact is in poor taste for sure. That you have a sig that tries to pass of his attempt at comedy as a true statement of his beliefs says boat loads about how much you value truth and honesty.
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mm rants = "Revenge of the Nerds"
and many are too stupid to see it - LOL
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Originally posted by Curval
He is just concerned about the appauling state of affairs in the country he loves.
He's concerned with 2 things:
1.) Making a buck
2.) Blowing out of the water the notion that Hollywood types are obsessed with their physical appearance.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Must be desperat times for the librals if they are putting their eggs in moores basket
(http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2002/SHOWBIZ/books/04/02/review.men/vert.cover.jpg)
Heh, I'm reading that book now.
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Originally posted by Pongo
Ripsnort: "Boeing wanted to put anti box cutter doors in but Clinton vetoed it."
Moore: "Could you imagine if someone pulled a box cutter and Ray Lewis and Mike Tyson where on the plane? Man they would kick those arabs tulips while all the yupy comuters where following orders and crapping thier pants. "
Ripsnort: You can take over an Airbus with a paperclip!
Brilliant.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Give me your email.....You can pay my bills for me. I really dont make that much money and OBVIOUSLY that's the govts fault so we'll just impose radical socialism right here and now by you paying my bills. That's what kind of changes Moore wants to put in place right....socialism....changes for the better?
You evidently dont have a clue what socialism is. Socialism is the fact that if I want to buy tickets to the Packers at Colts game I have to buy tickets to the Bills at Colts game at the same time.
You seem to equate obediance with conservatism. Really they are not related. But that is what passes for a conservative in the States nowadays.
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Funked, can I say pong0wned?
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From Webster's...
Socialism: "Any of various theories or systems of the ownership and operation of the means of production and distribution by society or the community rather than by private individuals, with all members of society or the community sharing in the work and the products... the stage between capitalism and communism in which private ownership of the means of production and distribution has been eliminated."
hmm.
Sounds good to me. bwahahahaha NOT! :lol
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Originally Posted by Pongo
You evidently dont have a clue what socialism is. Socialism is the fact that if I want to buy tickets to the Packers at Colts game I have to buy tickets to the Bills at Colts game at the same time.
You seem to equate obediance with conservatism. Really they are not related. But that is what passes for a conservative in the States nowadays.
Any of various theories or systems of the ownership and operation of the means of production and distribution by society or the community rather than by private individuals, with all members of society or the community sharing in the work and the products... the stage between capitalism and communism in which private ownership of the means of production and distribution has been eliminated."
Hmmm "distribution by society or the community rather than by private individuals" kinda like if I have to pay my bills so does everyone else????
You evidently dont have a clue what socialism is. And I'm not sure were the heck this Obedience thing came from????
You evidently dont have a clue what passes for a conservative in the states nowadays.
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The U.S. did not give the academy award to Michael Moore. It was awarded by the Democratic People's Republic of Hollywood, a micro-state that exists in California under the protection of the First Amendment and an independent press.
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But I do know that he despises George Bush, and that is good enough for him to be portrayed as a traitor in the eyes of the reactionaries.
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stop reacting banana!
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Oh. Well you must have been mistaken in your previos post.
"You can pay my bills for me. I really dont make that much money and OBVIOUSLY that's the govts fault so we'll just impose radical socialism right here and now by you paying my bills. That's what kind of changes Moore wants to put in place right....socialism....changes for the better?"
Cause all moore seems to want is the US to get out of Iraq. And for Bush to be honest that it was Saudis that attacked America not Iraqis.
So he is not asking for your pay check that I can see. He is being disobediant to the goverment and you are being subserviant to the goverment.
Your post just confused me. Socialism doenst speak to military aggression or honest goverment or firearms ownership as far as I know. Those seem to be Moores beefs. But I am not an Moore scholar.
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Cause all moore seems to want is the US to get out of Iraq
Remember bowling for columbine? He had a lot to hate america for way before 9/11...
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The conservatives are just pissed be Michael Moore slept with thier wives.
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Originally posted by Pongo
Oh. Well you must have been mistaken in your previos post.
"You can pay my bills for me. I really dont make that much money and OBVIOUSLY that's the govts fault so we'll just impose radical socialism right here and now by you paying my bills. That's what kind of changes Moore wants to put in place right....socialism....changes for the better?"
Cause all moore seems to want is the US to get out of Iraq. And for Bush to be honest that it was Saudis that attacked America not Iraqis.
So he is not asking for your pay check that I can see. He is being disobediant to the goverment and you are being subserviant to the goverment.
Your post just confused me. Socialism doenst speak to military aggression or honest goverment or firearms ownership as far as I know. Those seem to be Moores beefs. But I am not an Moore scholar.
Have you read ANY OF HIS BOOKS? SEEN ANYTHING BESIDES F911?
CmON....You think Iraq is the ONLY thing on moores agenda??????
He hates white people.....he hates rich people (even though he's a millionare now) he hates big business....and he hates small business....he hates law abiding citizens owning guns. He has no problem charging somone who makes over 250k a year 75% in taxes.....HE'S A SOCIALIST!
Cmon Pongo....usually your posts are way left but at least you add some type of thought to it.......
This guy HATES America and Americans....No doubt in my mind.
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For those of you who think that MM loves America, here're some quotes, taken out of context(MM style):
taken from msnbc (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5353971/)
“The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not ‘insurgents’ or ‘terrorists’ or ‘The Enemy.’ They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow - and they will win.” - MichaelMoore.com, April 24
“The motivation for war is simple. The U.S. government started the war with Iraq in order to make it easy for U.S. corporations to do business in other countries. They intend to use cheap labor in those countries, which will make Americans rich.”
“They are possibly the dumbest people on the planet ... in thrall to conniving, thieving smug [pieces of the human anatomy],” Moore intoned. “We Americans suffer from an enforced ignorance. We don’t know about anything that’s happening outside our country. Our stupidity is embarrassing.”
“You’re [the British] stuck with being connected to this country of mine, which is known for bringing sadness and misery to places around the globe.”
“We, the United States of America, are culpable in committing so many acts of terror and bloodshed that we had better get a clue about the culture of violence in which we have been active participants.”
“Should such an ignorant people lead the world?”
“Don’t go the American way when it comes to economics, jobs and services for the poor and immigrants. It is the wrong way.”
Sounds like true love to me.
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
It is the US that gave him the Academy award for Best Documentary for BFC. (the first documentary to win in half a century) But those professionals don't know anything do they ripsnort? But you do:rofl
you look more stupid with each post ! (im surprised you aren't part of the bush admin)
So let me get this right,
BFC is the first documentary to win an oscar in the documentary category in 50 years? AMAZING!!!!
Are you really that rearded? Or is that what some celebrity singer told you to think?
Is that how stupid you are in your praise of this filth?
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He's just another peter-puffin liberal from Hollywood.
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If my grandmother had raised him he would be clean shaven, well-scrubbed, neatly dressed, and would hold his hat in his hand in the presence of a lady.
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
It is the US that gave him the Academy award for Best Documentary for BFC. (the first documentary to win in half a century) But those professionals don't know anything do they ripsnort? But you do:rofl
you look more stupid with each post ! (im surprised you aren't part of the bush admin)
Last time I heard it was the academy that gives academy awards, not the entire nation. Members of the academy, BTW, are notorious for making their votes without seeing the movies first(I got this information, firsthand, from a family friend who's a screenwriter and member of the 'academy')--one of the reasons the Oscars are hailed as the most politically-motived awards in Entertainment.
It's for this reason that movies like Titanic clean up at the Oscars and nobody's surprised. Of course, best screenplay went to Good Will Hunting that year because it was the breakout favorite. Not surprisingly, not all that many were surprised when that happened either.
Moore's success at the Oscars has little if anythnig to do with the quality of his work and everything to do with the competition's lack of publicity.
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Stang. Read my whole post.
gunslinger.
I admit my exposure to him is limited to bowling(which I did not like for reasons I have already detailed here ad nasium) and F911 wich I aggree with but though had to a lesser extent some of the weaknesses that Columbine had.
Neither of those movies had anything in them that I would call socialist at all.
As I said. Gun control is not a socialist issue. Nor is curbing military aggression.
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I read the whole thing, ran out of time in my reply :)
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Originally posted by Pongo
Stang. Read my whole post.
gunslinger.
I admit my exposure to him is limited to bowling(which I did not like for reasons I have already detailed here ad nasium) and F911 wich I aggree with but though had to a lesser extent some of the weaknesses that Columbine had.
Neither of those movies had anything in them that I would call socialist at all.
As I said. Gun control is not a socialist issue. Nor is curbing military aggression.
and all I'm saying is if you read some of his books and see some of his interviews he is all for socialism. If a man makes a good movie but he is total scum I dont enjoy the movie at all. Same thing goes w/ actors in a movie.
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Originally posted by Pongo
Neither of those movies had anything in them that I would call socialist at all.
That's not true.
At the end of F911, Moore, without mincing words, criticises our society's heirarchical nature as inherently oppressive towards the working class. He points out that the majority of our enlisted people came from such families, and had no choice but to put their lives on the line for the greedy ambitions of the upper class.
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moore hates Americans. Unless they are colored Americans and only if they stay away from him.
He is into class warfare and racial division. He feels that all of America is stupid and that it is his duty as one of the elite to point that out. He feels that blacks are unable to do anything without his help and should be grateful to him.
He is still angry at America because he got beatr up so much in school for being a fat, sloppy, nose picking little troll.
lazs
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
That's not true.
At the end of F911, Moore, without mincing words, criticises our society's heirarchical nature as inherently oppressive towards the working class. He points out that the majority of our enlisted people came from such families, and had no choice but to put their lives on the line for the greedy ambitions of the upper class.
I would have to see the quote your talking about not your recolection of it.
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Originally posted by Stang
Cause all moore seems to want is the US to get out of Iraq
Remember bowling for columbine? He had a lot to hate america for way before 9/11...
"Socialism doenst speak to military aggression or honest goverment or firearms ownership as far as I know. Those seem to be Moores beefs. But I am not an Moore scholar.
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ill make it easy for you.
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Originally posted by lazs2
moore hates Americans. Unless they are colored Americans and only if they stay away from him.
He is into class warfare and racial division. He feels that all of America is stupid and that it is his duty as one of the elite to point that out. He feels that blacks are unable to do anything without his help and should be grateful to him.
He is still angry at America because he got beatr up so much in school for being a fat, sloppy, nose picking little troll.
lazs
And he floats! Let's burn him!
;)
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Originally posted by Pongo
I would have to see the quote your talking about not your recolection of it.
try googling for it. I've been trying to find a script or at least transcript of the movie but have not been able to find a full one.
The line is one of the very last in the movie--sort of to 'bring together' everything he'd spewed in the previous 114 minutes.
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well... anyone as ugly and wussie as that should be nicer to people.
lazs
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Oooh...Fat Bastard left a floater!............
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He's actually quoting (or paraphrasing cause I cant find the entire source) George Orwell's 1984
"it does not matter if the war is not real. For when it is, victory is not possible. The war is not meant to be won, but it is meant to be continuous.'"
"A hierarchical society is only possible on the basis of poverty and ignorance, this new version is the past and no different past can ever have existed. In principle the war effort is always planned to keep society on the brink of starvation. the war is waged by the ruling group against its own subjects and its object is not the victory over either Eurasia or east Asia but to keep the very structure of society in tact"
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
try googling for it. I've been trying to find a script or at least transcript of the movie but have not been able to find a full one.
The line is one of the very last in the movie--sort of to 'bring together' everything he'd spewed in the previous 114 minutes.
So we can consider that notion defeated.
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Originally posted by Pongo
So we can consider that notion defeated.
look one post above yours!
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Micheal Moore is more American than any of you self-proclaimed conservatives.
-SW
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Moore would be an even better American if he was an ex-patriat.
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Moore is Budweiser and, conservatives are Fosters - A cool fad, but born from criminals.
-SW
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Micheal Moore is more American than any of you self-proclaimed conservatives.
-SW
Well you might have something there, Moore did say Americans are the stupidest people on earth...
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Originally posted by Curval
He is just concerned about the appauling state of affairs in the country he loves.
Discuss.
When did you stop beating your Wife....?
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Originally posted by Pongo
So we can consider that notion defeated.
Well, Pongo, the quote is there, and is quite clear. I don't know if you've seen the movie, but I have, and my memory does not fail me. Unlike most MM groupies, whose hearing tends to come and go as they mindlessly nod in agreement to ideas they fail to fully grasp but enjoy nonetheless, I listened from beginning to end.
Go buy yourself a ticket and keep the clapping down to a dull roar towards the end. Worst case scenario, you'll be giving your messiah another couple dollars.
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Micheal Moore is more American than any of you self-proclaimed conservatives.
-SW
-SW is Voss!
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
Well, Pongo, the quote is there, and is quite clear. I don't know if you've seen the movie, but I have, and my memory does not fail me. Unlike most MM groupies, whose hearing tends to come and go as they mindlessly nod in agreement with ideas they fail to fully grasp but enjoy nonetheless, I listened from beginning to end.
Go buy yourself a ticket and keep the clapping down to a dull roar towards the end. Worst case scenario, you'll be giving your messiah another couple dollars.
:rofl :rofl
And yes Pongo I too remember this comment in F911..
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
look one post above yours!
that is a socialst dogma? how?
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Thats all I remembered him ending with. An orwellian kind of diatrab. But how is that socialism?
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I read his book, "Stupid White Men" but have only seen clips from F911. And I've seen him interviewed a few times. My take ... FWIW ... is that you're all right in ways.
He hates Dubyah and Chaney ... and justifiably so. They stole the election, they have stood by and watched the middle class be decimated while the uber-rich get richer, and the have allowed their Ken Lay-esque friends to destroy America's confidence in investment and, to some degree, a brighter tomorrow. And, of course, the took us into a war because they wanted to.
He hates Americans to some degree. Yet a lot of what he says ain't that far wrong. Look at how we're having "low carb" shoved down our throats. And for most of America it's "thank you sir, may I have another." Rap music ... 'nuff said? Reality TV ... ditto.
He's a Hollywood twinkie. Just watch how he carries himself. He wants attention. You don't get attention by saying nice things about America. He thinks he's a bad boy and gets off on it. He really isn't "saying" anything that dozens of polical writers and cartoonists also don't say on a weekly basis. He just gets it up on the big screen and the acts like a faux intellectual.
He likes money. So does Mel Gibson. After what Mel pulled with the "there was no Holocaust" crap to promote The Passion, I won't see anything that puke is in or is involved with. Moore is a similar animal - get as much controversy going to sell tickets.
As for me, I won't pay money to see F911. It won't show me anything I don't already know or suspect about what Our Government has done. I'm glad Moore made it because so many people in the country are - well - stoopid and need to have their eyes opened. But beyond that I pretty much ignore the guy.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
I read his book, "Stupid White Men" but have only seen clips from F911. And I've seen him interviewed a few times. My take ... FWIW ... is that you're all right in ways.
He hates Dubyah and Chaney ... and justifiably so. They stole the election, they have stood by and watched the middle class be decimated while the uber-rich get richer, and the have allowed their Ken Lay-esque friends to destroy America's confidence in investment and, to some degree, a brighter tomorrow. And, of course, the took us into a war because they wanted to.
He hates Americans to some degree. Yet a lot of what he says ain't that far wrong. Look at how we're having "low carb" shoved down our throats. And for most of America it's "thank you sir, may I have another." Rap music ... 'nuff said? Reality TV ... ditto.
He's a Hollywood twinkie. Just watch how he carries himself. He wants attention. You don't get attention by saying nice things about America. He thinks he's a bad boy and gets off on it. He really isn't "saying" anything that dozens of polical writers and cartoonists also don't say on a weekly basis. He just gets it up on the big screen and the acts like a faux intellectual.
He likes money. So does Mel Gibson. After what Mel pulled with the "there was no Holocaust" crap to promote The Passion, I won't see anything that puke is in or is involved with. Moore is a similar animal - get as much controversy going to sell tickets.
As for me, I won't pay money to see F911. It won't show me anything I don't already know or suspect about what Our Government has done. I'm glad Moore made it because so many people in the country are - well - stoopid and need to have their eyes opened. But beyond that I pretty much ignore the guy.
Stole the election - right aha...
Low carb shoved down our throats? By whom? Whay cant companies advertise their products?
Decimated the middle class? Right....
What do you have against rap music? Plenty of people like it. Who are you to tell them otherwise?
"I'm glad Moore made it because so many people in the country are - well - stoopid and need to have their eyes opened."
Why cant you just let people think and decide for themselves. Why arrogantly believe others, and it seems particularly those who think differently from you, are somehow stupid or uninformed and need a special wakening from people with whom you agree?
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"Why cant you just let people think and decide for themselves. Why arrogantly believe others, and it seems particularly those who think differently from you, are somehow stupid or uninformed and need a special wakening from people with whom you agree?"
hard to see how that works. So no one says anything, and the people decide what has happend. Based on what? Dreams? Are they going to do thier own multi million dollar investigation? Are they allowed to read books?
Does the president stop talking too?
Doesnt seem very practical.
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hmm... interesting take on things.. How exactly did bush steal the election? didn't 3 or four groups recount the ballots latter and find that gore couldn't have won no matter how many more times he got a (fair) recount?
They got us into a war because they wanted to? maybe.. seems an odd reason tho.
I watched bowling and roger and me and they both stunk.. not that they weren't entertaining... they were just so bogus that it was painful .... reading the plaque on that B52 was pure moore and enough for a sane person to dismiss anything else moore ever put in a movie..
maybe he is just a hollywood twinkie playing bad boy but he does have a history for hating Americans.. He was on the staff of mother jones and he never fails to tell what he thinks of Americans when abroad.. I personally think he has an agenda that is extremely leftest... he likes money but he was born with money.. he has allways had money..
Don't know much about mel gibson but as I recall it was his father who made the hollocast comments and not him... could be wrong on that one tho.
you may be right that americans need to have their eyes opened ... It is my opinion that everyone everywhere does on occassion but... I certainly don't think a moore movie should open anyones eyes in anythintg but shocked incredulity. The American and British investigations into the war tell more than the BS book moore based his "documentary" on.
lazs
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pongo... same to you... there is both an American congressional investigation and a British one that you can look at to "open your eyes" or.... you can believe a known distorter of facts who based his entire "documentary" on a now discredited book.
lazs
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
I read his book, "Stupid White Men" but have only seen clips from F911. And I've seen him interviewed a few times. My take ... FWIW ... is that you're all right in ways.
He hates Dubyah and Chaney ... and justifiably so. They stole the election, they have stood by and watched the middle class be decimated while the uber-rich get richer, and the have allowed their Ken Lay-esque friends to destroy America's confidence in investment and, to some degree, a brighter tomorrow. And, of course, the took us into a war because they wanted to.
He hates Americans to some degree. Yet a lot of what he says ain't that far wrong. Look at how we're having "low carb" shoved down our throats. And for most of America it's "thank you sir, may I have another." Rap music ... 'nuff said? Reality TV ... ditto.
He's a Hollywood twinkie. Just watch how he carries himself. He wants attention. You don't get attention by saying nice things about America. He thinks he's a bad boy and gets off on it. He really isn't "saying" anything that dozens of polical writers and cartoonists also don't say on a weekly basis. He just gets it up on the big screen and the acts like a faux intellectual.
He likes money. So does Mel Gibson. After what Mel pulled with the "there was no Holocaust" crap to promote The Passion, I won't see anything that puke is in or is involved with. Moore is a similar animal - get as much controversy going to sell tickets.
As for me, I won't pay money to see F911. It won't show me anything I don't already know or suspect about what Our Government has done. I'm glad Moore made it because so many people in the country are - well - stoopid and need to have their eyes opened. But beyond that I pretty much ignore the guy.
Hmmmmm....dribble like this......a Marilyn Manson quote in your sig.......and a name like DoKGonZo
I'm guessin you're about 15 years old.....
Its a shame they are libralling people that young nowadays
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Originally posted by lazs2
pongo... same to you... there is both an American congressional investigation and a British one that you can look at to "open your eyes" or.... you can believe a known distorter of facts who based his entire "documentary" on a now discredited book.
lazs
Missing your point, So no reporting should be allowed then?
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Hmmmmm....dribble like this......a Marilyn Manson quote in your sig.......and a name like DoKGonZo
I'm guessin you're about 15 years old.....
Its a shame they are libralling people that young nowadays
Wow.
Did you ever just label yourself as a complete f*cktard. On so many levels it's hard to count 'em all.
It's obvious this is a thread for the closed-minded, so I'll leave you all to this brain-clotted circle-jerk.
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Pongo if you think that dishonest low-brow propaganda like F911 is whats needed to open up the eyes of the "stoopid" american people then thats sad.
Actually now that I think about it it's pointless to argue this, the orginal poster of this material practically qouted moore in his assesement of america so I think its safe to say he has made up his mind...
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Why cant you just let people think and decide for themselves. Why arrogantly believe others, and it seems particularly those who think differently from you, are somehow stupid or uninformed and need a special wakening from people with whom you agree?
Yes. Exactly.
Now try LIVING by those words, skippy.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
I'm glad Moore made it because so many people in the country are - well - stoopid and need to have their eyes opened.
You first (skippy?)
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
You first (skippy?)
Point taken.
But if you read what I said originally, I didn't take either side as far as MM went. Yet because you disagreed with certain points you chose to disagree with me entirely and start slinging insults.
And that seems to be the tone of this thread. So, again, it's not worth my time.
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Throwing insults?
Can you point out the parts of my post that you considered to be insults.
From my POV I simply questioned some of your statements and challenged some of your conclusions, particularly where I felt your opinion about americans being stupid was rather arrogant.
As for MM I dont know what you think of him personally, but you sure do seem to like his movie and think its needed for opening up the eyes of "stoopid" americans. Here we disagree, both on the idea of stupid americans and the utility of MMs movie.
And for the record there is stuff we agree on in your posts. :)
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Well, you may not hae taken his "side", but you surely suscribe to his beliefs:
They stole the election, they have stood by and watched the middle class be decimated while the uber-rich get richer, and the have allowed their Ken Lay-esque friends to destroy America's confidence in investment and, to some degree, a brighter tomorrow. And, of course, the took us into a war because they wanted to.
Silly wabbit!
Stick to online games, then you at least have a half-assed idea of what you are talking about.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Wow.
Did you ever just label yourself as a complete f*cktard. On so many levels it's hard to count 'em all.
It's obvious this is a thread for the closed-minded, so I'll leave you all to this brain-clotted circle-jerk.
ok 17??????????
Fcktard?????
Closed Minded????
Brain Clotted circle-jerk?????
wow you sound like a real accepting person.....maybe 18
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Point taken.
But if you read what I said originally, I didn't take either side as far as MM went. Yet because you disagreed with certain points you chose to disagree with me entirely and start slinging insults.
And that seems to be the tone of this thread. So, again, it's not worth my time.
UMMMM you made statements that have been completly disproven by this little thing called FACT
I thought you were done with this circle-jerk?
PS if you watch the movie you agreed with most of the points he made in it in the post you made earlier.
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geeze dok... you are coming off kinda petulant here. Seems to fit the liberal profile... make an outrageous statement and then get all offended when poeple question it.
Soooo we woulda been aye ok in your book if we woulda just bought your "stole the election" drivel and then the whole rest of the post because about 20% of it was objective?
pongo... I do not consider moore a source of news.. he is at best an entertainer. So far as I know, no factual data that moore has ever stated in any of his movies is accurate. Gun deaths by country for instance in bowling.
lazs
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only a true moron ..which is uniformed ..would say the election was stolen..
After saying somthing so stupid..its hard to even give the guy any credit for his other statements...
Busch Is Hitler....
No War For Oil..
Do i fit in now?..lmfao