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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: jaxxo on July 20, 2004, 11:47:29 AM
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Flew a 109g6 last night for the first time. I had always disliked flying the !09 series due to the f4 and g10 models. I simply sucked in them. However on a whim I gave the g6 a try. I loved it instantly. Is the this a little known secret or a Ah2 sleeper ride? :)
Now where is that JB squad web page?
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G6 is a good plane that can turn a tad bit more than a G10. If you get really good in a G10 about the torque you will be a monster in the MA with it. 109F4 is a monster!!! how can you not like the model? Just take away those damn gondies and go about kill spitflowers that think you're a 109G10 and try to turn fight.
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Nobody flies the G6 because the G-10 basically does everything better.
The G-6 is completely outmatched by the Spit 9 and Niki (both planes E-fight and turnfight better), but the G-10 can out-fight the Nik in the vertical (still has a tough time with the spit).
I'm not even 100% convinced the G-6 will "out turn" a G-10.. the G-10 weighs a little bit more but it has significantly more horsepower to hold it in the turn.
G-6 is nice for collecting perks though, at 40 ENY it is probably the 2nd best plane for "perk collecting". If perks actually mattered you might see more of the G-6.
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Originally posted by jaxxo
Now where is that JB squad web page?
GROOSLY outdated... we are working on a total revision...
http://home.wi.rr.com/jabostaffelhq
have fun
bunch new members last few weeks too.
flying it with the 20mm or 30mm? with/without gondolas?
it can be real good against some planes, not so good against say a spit V.
im a franz and dora guy myself. 42 has become an A5 guru, and 1/2 the squad is really into the 109F8.
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Hmmm. Maybe Ill have to give the g10 another try. I was having np at all hangin with the 202 and spits last night, and i loved the climb rate. was absolutely nailing cons when they tried to rope another friendly, or any over the top move for that matter. I was very impressed with it...i dont remember the g10 turning that well, but its been awhile.Thanx for the info...
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i cant staaaaaand the g10. the g6 was my fav ride for the longest time. i couldnt imagine myself without it. it seemed like it always got me out of a bad situation.......whether it took the hits or out gunned the opponent or a kucky strike on my last pass to kill him with a 30mm round or enuff power to go just over the top to come down just on the guys six.......g6 truly one of the best. should probably fly it a lot more often.
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Try the G2. you will really like that. The turning and climb it has is real nice.
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The G-6 is the worst 109 by a wide margin. Every one of the other models does something (most do several) things better than the G-6. I'd have to say my favorite is the F-4, followed by the G-10.
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G-10 handels much better in AH2 then in AH1. In AH1 I spent most of my time in the Dora & then the G-10, now it's the other way around. Have not tried the G-6 yet, for I only have been playing AH2 for a couple of days. The only thing I don't like about the 109's is the roll rate, but that can be somewhat overcome by unloading your G's & use of rudder.
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Call me slow, but I only now noticed that the 109F-4 and G-2 now have the proper 200 cannon rounds available. No wonder I've been seeing more of those white 109's.
J_A_B
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Originally posted by jaxxo
...i dont remember the g10 turning that well, but its been awhile.Thanx for the info...
It turns better than a p51.
I like g6 ..maybe not best 109 but it's the most fun.
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My LW favs are the G10(with gonds), F4(with gonds), G2(with gonds), then G6(no gonds), 190d9, a8, f8, a5, 110g. I don't use 30mm except in the 110.
G10 handles better in AHII IMO. All the 109's seem to handle better. So do the 190's and 110's.
Key to G10 is mainly the rudder IMO. But watch your speed! Too slow you get caught, too fast you compress. The higher you are the faster you can go.
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In AH2 I'm still gettin' used to hearing the "slats" banging open and closed on the 109s.
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They are visible.... to me anyway... maybe you've got some kinda graphics bug or something.
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The slats are (usually) visible in AH2. But apart from the E-Version all the 109 should have slats that pop open simultaneously.
AFAIK the independent deploying slats were there in the early models, and that was one of the main reasons the LW Pilots didnt like to apply too much AoA, so they would let the slats pop open because they would roll the plane to that side on which the slat was deployed first. When your just about to nail tha bad guy thats not what you want to happen I guess.
All the later models had "connected" slats, so there wasnt a rolling-moment anymore.
While I'm not really sure about the 109s, I have no clue how the slats on other planes worked. Like the La5 or La7.
So, maybe this is a bug. Anyone know more?
As for the thread-topic: I like the 109G6 very much with the 30mm gun. It seems to be a tad more maneouverable than tha G10 but also weaker. But there is surely a lot of less torque, at least it appears to be this way. While it canot turn with the average Arena-population (Spit or La7 in wide speed margins) its good enought to get a good shot off.
The 30mm appeals to me prolly because I really suck at shooting since AH2, and with the 30mm you have to get close, but 1 hit kills (mostly).
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The G6 wasnt hid
search batz 109G6 or Gruenherz 109G6.
We have been telling folks for years its a damn fine plane.
It forces you to fight rather then just run climb repeat.
Its the best 109 in the game for those who enjoy fighting rather then runnign or "pull stick into belly"
Here's a break down of the 109 speeds as tested in AH2:
109E-4 100% fuel 2 x 20mm / MGFF 60 RPG, fuel mod set to lowest value.
SL
Military Power SL 37.6 MP @ 2400 RPM = 285 MPH
Emergency Power SL 40.5 MP @ 2400 RPM = 292 MPH
5k
Military Power 5000 FT 37.6 MP @ 2400 RPM = 304 MPH
Emergency Power 5000FT 40.5 MP @ 2400 RPM = 311 MPH
10K
Military Power 10000 FT 37.6 MP @ 2400 RPM = 323 MPH
Emergency Power 10000 FT 40.5 MP @ 2400 RPM = 330 MPH
15K
Military Power 15000 FT 37.6 MP @ 2400 RPM = 341 MPH
Emergency Power 15000 FT 40.5 MP @ 2400 RPM = 344 MPH
MP falls off drastically at 20k. WEP adds no MP boost but the E-4 gains about 3 mph.
20K
Military Power 20000 FT 32 MP @ 2400 RPM = 329 MPH
Emergency Power 20000 FT 32 MP @ 2400 RPM = 332 MPH
22.5K
Military Power 22500 FT 28.5 MP @ 2400 RPM = 320 MPH
Emergency Power 22500 FT 28.5 MP @ 2400 RPM = 323 MPH
Bf 109F-4 100% fuel 1 x 20mm / MG 151 200 rpg, fuel mod set to lowest value.
SL
Military Power SL 38.9 MP @ 2500 RPM = 310 MPH
Emergency Power SL 42.2 MP @ 2700 RPM = 332 MPH
5k
Military Power 5000 FT 38.9 MP @ 2500 RPM = 328 MPH
Emergency Power 5000FT 42.2 MP @ 2700 RPM = 350 MPH
10k
Military Power 10000 FT 38.9 MP @ 2500 RPM = 347 MPH
Emergency Power 10000 FT 42.2 MP @ 2700 RPM = 365 MPH
15k
Military Power 15000 FT 38.9 MP @ 2500 RPM = 364 MPH
Emergency Power 15000 FT 42.2 MP @ 2700 RPM = 381 MPH
20k
Military Power 20000 FT 38.9 MP @ 2500 RPM = 382 MPH
Emergency Power 20000 FT 42.2 MP @ 2700 RPM = 394 MPH
22.5k
Military Power 22500 FT 38.9 MP @ 2500 RPM = 383 MPH
Emergency Power 22500 FT 42.2 MP @ 2700 RPM = 387 MPH
Bf 109G-2 100% fuel 1 x 20mm / MG 151 200 RPG, fuel mod set to lowest value.
SL
Military Power SL 38.9 MP @ 2600 RPM = 319 MPH
Emergency Power SL 42.2 MP @ 2800 RPM = 339 MPH
5k
Military Power 5000 FT 38.9 MP @ 2600 RPM = 349 MPH
Emergency Power 5000FT 42.2 MP @ 2800 RPM = 367 MPH
10K
Military Power 10000 FT 38.9 MP @ 2600 RPM = 366 MPH
Emergency Power 10000 FT 42.2 MP @ 2800 RPM = 378 MPH
15K
Military Power 15000 FT 38.9 MP @ 2600 RPM = 377 MPH
Emergency Power 15000 FT 42.2 MP @ 2800 RPM = 388 MPH
20K
Military Power 20000 FT 38.9 MP @ 2600 RPM = 388 MPH
Emergency Power 20000 FT 42.2 MP @ 2800 RPM = 399 MPH
22K
Military Power 22500 FT 38.9 MP @ 2600 RPM = 394 MPH
Emergency Power 22500 FT 42.2 MP @ 2800 RPM = 401 MPH
Bf 109G-6 100% fuel 1 x 20mm / MG 151, fuel mod set to lowest value.
SL
Military Power SL 38.9 MP @ 2600 RPM = 316 MPH
Emergency Power SL 42.2 MP @ 2800 RPM = 335 MPH
5k
Military Power 5000 FT 38.9 MP @ 2600 RPM = 341 MPH
Emergency Power 5000FT 42.2 MP @ 2800 RPM = 359 MPH
10K
Military Power 10000 FT 38.9 MP @ 2600 RPM = 356 MPH
Emergency Power 10000 FT 42.2 MP @ 2800 RPM = 368 MPH
15K
Military Power 15000 FT 38.9 MP @ 2600 RPM = 367 MPH
Emergency Power 15000 FT 42.2 MP @ 2800 RPM = 377 MPH
20K
Military Power 20000 FT 38.9 MP @ 2600 RPM = 378 MPH
Emergency Power 20000 FT 42.2 MP @ 2800 RPM = 388 MPH
22K
Military Power 22500 FT 38.9 MP @ 2600 RPM = 380 MPH
Emergency Power 22500 FT 42.2 MP @ 2800 RPM = 390 MPH
I never flew the G10 so I dont care what it does. BTW the AH G10 is really a K-4 with a 20mm option. Pyro stated this in another thread.
As you can see even the F-4 is faster depending on the alt.
Wanna learn how to fly and fight in a 109 fly the G-6.
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NIce!!
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Originally posted by SirLoin
I like g6 ..maybe not best 109 but most fun.
Agreed.
- oldman
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the 109G-6 is not hide-ing the 109G-2 is
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GO 109G6!!!!!!!!!! WOOOHOOO !!!!!!!!!!YEAH!!!!!!!!! ALRIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah I love that plane to death, started flying it again thx to this thread. Everybody should fly it more.
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I've been flying the G6 for a couple of days now, and it's become my favorite ride by far.
My favorite tactic is a Mid-alt drop (about 7k feet), then I make a series of passes on enemy fighters. It works very well, especially on the La-7's, N1K's, and Spits that usually fly at about 1k feet.
A few days ago, I tried this tactic with the 109E4. I managed to land 4 victories, and I got almost 20 points out of it (19.82). No damage, by the way :aok .
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All 109s are best flown as Energy fighters - using their high climb rate to dictate the engagement. Normal Boom & Zoom tactics with very high-speed passes do not suit the 109's style. It is better suited to the style of energy combat where the main objective is to set up a moderate altitude advantage (2 or 3 k) right over or near the target. Then use short sprint dives with moderate closure rates for gun passes. The 109 can then climb back out and loop or climb away as necessary.
To improve deflection shooting the player should unload his g's. The best was way is to pick a point where you think the enemy will be and pull hard to that point then release pressure on the stick. As the enemy moves from under you nose, fire.
Trying to pull lead through a turn while firing will just waste ammo. The enemy will stay below your nose making aiming difficult. The 109s have a decent instantaneous turn rate initially. This gives you a brief opportunity to pull lead. By unloading your g's you will have a straight shot as the enemy rises above your nose. If you miss you can go up and yo yo etc and drop back in.
Flying the G-6 in this fashion is a lo of fun, it doesnt take climbing out to 25k and doing high speed bore and ZZZ and it doesnt mean "turn fighting". With a wingman this tactic can help run up good kill streaks for both you. While 1 guy is in 1 guy is on top switching in and out to keep even the most nimble fight off balance.
The G-6 wont out climb most planes like the G-10 so when zooming with a enemy chasing make a vertical spiral as you go up. Gradually tighten the spiral. As the enemy zooms up he will need to pull more lead to get off a shot. Most of the time he ends up stalling or diving away realizing hes about to get roped.
Now la7s and such will dive away and be gone if you wait to long to reverse. By practicing you can learn to anticipate whats happening and be able drop back in before the enemy builds speed and extends away.
Last night Scot and I were flying G-14s vs. p51s, Jugs and Spits in AEP. The same vertical spiral that I describe above works very in AEP. It works well with p51s as well.
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for me, the 109f4 is the best mix.... its got power, it can turn, and roll well... gondolas dont seem to make it lose too much speed
g6 is just a heavy g2....dont really like it that much.
i fly
60% 109f4 always with gondolas (oh and that white skin rocks!)
20% 109g2 with and without gondolas
10% 109g6 without gondolas and i use the 30s mostly, sometimes the 20s...
10% 109g10 without gondolas.
unless buff hunting of corse, then i take the biggest ammo load possible.
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g6 is just a heavy g2....dont really like it that much.
Agreed, only the fact that a g6 has the ability to carry the 30mm. My aim sucks so I like the 30mm to do all the dirty work for me :D
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I use that tactic as well, but the one I stated earlier has always worked best for me.
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wotan..thanx for the post man..like to see more people give tips and advice like that..would help out with the current miserable gameplay in the ma by newest generation of pilots.
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I like all the 109's.
They all have character and you need to know how to exploit them.
Momma always said like is like a box of 109's....you never know which one your gonna fly.
The gondolas seem to create less drag now. Still effect low speed handling.
The 30mm is my weapon of choice, but right now, returning to the game after a long hiatus....im lucky if I can hit the side of a barn.
Just make sure you tell everyone how hard they are to fly and how they stink....it's nice to be flying an exclusive.
K1
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I was really starting to like the G2 in AH1, no idea what it does now.
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I havent flown the G6 much lately, I'm la, spit and panzer 4 dweebing a lot lately because my computer has been having problems so i want everything to be easy and thougtless.
But I can honestly say that I've rarely had more fun in AH then when I flew the G6 a lot and especially so just with the single 20mm and 2 13mm gun combo. The 30mm is awesome and is the best choice overall yet for some reason I really loved the single 20mm loadout, and when fired in concert with 13mm it's quite powerful armament. And dont take the gondolas. :)
I think I love the 20mm because of this fascinating drawing, it just looks so sinister as does the picture.
(http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhorta/wg6mg.gif)
(http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhorta/109g6ho.jpg)
Anyway the G6 is the classic 109 and the greatest fighter ever. :)
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classic yes. grewatest fighter ever i dunno.
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The Munchkins hid it!
NO seriously they did.
I remember back in AH1 Ammo and I had an amazing duel he flying the Jug and I was flying the G6 each attack he made I faced. We continued like for 15 minutes he zooming by me and me taking potshots I eventually had to ditch due to him breaking my oil line but it was a nice match indeed,thankfully things like that seldom happen since I have the upper hand ;)
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Flew all 109's allot and especially the g6 in the AH1, but as Urchin said, g10 is better then g6.
But g6 is a great 109 to learn to fly 109's.
Greetz,
Dutchie
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pfft Dutchie.
Who is this dutchie anyways?
And what does he know about 109s??? pfft ya right!
:p
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Apar's a dweeb dont listen to him...
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:D
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For most of my online flying time (bout 12 years now) I've flown the 190s.
In Air Warrior the A8 and A4. For those of you who played Air Warrior you'll recall it was the most wicked aircraft to fly in the game. At 200kias or below if you tugged on the stick a tad to hard you turned into a Frisbee. It's departure was evil to say the least. I got it in enough flat spins to cut down 3 acres of Hay.
In AH it's modeling is much more forgiving. Thankfully!
Been flying the 109s more now....most exclusively the G10. No Gondolas.....just the 30mm with the mgs. Lots of throttle work flying the G10....I usually chop throttle when on 6 of enemy plane to hold his 6. Torque seems to take it outside the turn radius when on an enemy so throttle work imho is imperative. Don't turn fight it wide open....cycle through chopped, full, WEP etc when flying it. It turns very well at it's optimum cornering speed.
To fast you'll fall outside of radius...to slow you'll get inside but danger of stalling increases. Thus blowing E and ending up being the chased instead of the chaser.
The F-4 is a hoot to fly....does everything fairly well and keeps you in a turnfight longer....fewer blackouts, less throttle work because of it's lower top speed. Never use the Gondolas in my case. Want the aircraft clean to make better use of it's aerodynamics. Just my 2 Cents.