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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: CurtissP-6EHawk on July 20, 2004, 05:56:11 PM
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A6M2 has 94 Kills of P-40B
P-40B has 27 Kills of A6M2
Need I say more? However, since the F4F-4 seems to be doing so well, its hard to justify enableing the P-40E. BUt the again, it would represent what realy happened with the planes that were really there
A6M2 has 349 Kills of F4F-4
F4F-4 has 450 Kills of A6M2
;)
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
A6M2 has 349 Kills of F4F-4
F4F-4 has 450 Kills of A6M2
just killed you own begging thread.
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I have 102 kills of A6M-2s with the Wildcat, to 9 deaths.
Remove my stats and the numbers are:
A6M2 has 340 Kills of F4F-4
F4F-4 has 348 Kills of A6M2
Pretty even.
Consider that most of the time the Japs have been outnumbered, and I’d say the Zero has put up one heck of a fight. This is one scenario where the Allies truly need numbers to stand a chance. Wildcat pilots in WWII basically said the same thing.
eskimo
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its hard to justify enableing the P-40E.
Other than it would be accurate.
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
just killed you own begging thread.
That is corrrect. Maybe the F4F-4 is better in AHII?
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Originally posted by eskimo2
I have 102 kills of A6M-2s with the Wildcat, to 9 deaths.
Remove my stats and the numbers are:
A6M2 has 340 Kills of F4F-4
F4F-4 has 348 Kills of A6M2
Pretty even.
Consider that most of the time the Japs have been outnumbered, and I’d say the Zero has put up one heck of a fight. This is one scenario where the Allies truly need numbers to stand a chance. Wildcat pilots in WWII basically said the same thing.
eskimo
I have 56 some odd vulches and 7 deaths vs A6M2 (14 is SBD) so maybe the F4F-4 sucks after all ?
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I believe the P-40E was around during the first battles of the war.. i.e. the Phillipines campaign and Pearl Harbour.. it certainly would have been around for any guadalcanal campaign.
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nah allies just gang bang any lone zero they seeim. im sure of it.
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The p40e does not perform that much better than the b, but the guns would help.
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Originally posted by ergRTC
The p40e does not perform that much better than the b, but the guns would help.
Hmmm. Reasonable minds might differ on this. I think the E is a great plane, but the B is a deathtrap.
- oldman
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I'd love to find out how the planes fare against one another in AH2, Ki-61 vs P-40B/E and A6M2 vs F4F-4, but.......
Last night all the Wildkitties I saw were safely dancing about in the ever so friendly fleet ack, I never got the chance to engage even one of em without tracers from the fleet defences streaking all around me. Lost engines to acks twice, never took even a ping from an enemy fighter til after my engine was knocked out.......
From what I did see, the P-40E would have been the better choice. P-40B is not a total deathtrap, but too many times we look at top speed only and don't think about the fact that it takes that bird almost a whole sector to reach it in level flight acceleration.
Ki-61, IMHO, should be matched up against the P-40E, not the B.
A6M2 vs F4F-4.......nice matchup.....winner dependant on pilot skill and how the fight is set up.
Now that I am just a player again, maybe I can spend more time flying and having fun and exploring these matchups.........:aok
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Originally posted by eskimo2
I have 102 kills of A6M-2s with the Wildcat, to 9 deaths.
Remove my stats and the numbers are:
A6M2 has 340 Kills of F4F-4
F4F-4 has 348 Kills of A6M2
Pretty even.
Consider that most of the time the Japs have been outnumbered, and I’d say the Zero has put up one heck of a fight. This is one scenario where the Allies truly need numbers to stand a chance. Wildcat pilots in WWII basically said the same thing.
eskimo
You don't count because you do nothing but vultch, that is when you aren't milking all by yourself.
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The Zeke is toast against U.S. iron. Check the roster when there is a US/Jap planeset, it's always 2:1 in favor of U.S., because no one wants to be a target in the zeke. That's why the Japs need the Ki-44, something that can BnZ with the U.S. birds. And the Ki-84 for fighting late war U.S. birds. In a zeke you're gonna die, it's just a question of when.
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Originally posted by eddiek
A6M2 vs F4F-4.......nice matchup.....winner dependant on pilot skill and how the fight is set up.
Disagree. In a co-alt one-on-one, the F4F is toast. I've killed enough pilots who I KNOW are better than me, that this is now an article of faith. As Eskimo pointed out (somewhere), Wildcats win when they have a numbers or altitude advantage, but not otherwise, and this is historical. Actually, this is about the only setup when I think it's a good thing for the allies to have about a 1.5 to 1 numbers advantage.
- oldman
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Originally posted by storch
You don't count because you do nothing but vultch, that is when you aren't milking all by yourself.
Learn your terms. Most of my kills were Cherry-Picks. Less than 1/4 were vulches.
eskimo
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"The p40e does not perform that much better than the b, but the guns would help. "
P-40B
2300 FPM maximum climrate
276 MPH at sea level
342 MPH top speed
P-40E
3100 FPM maximum climrate
297 MPH at sea level
352 MPH top speed
A6M2
2800 FPM max clirate
270 MPH @ sea level
328 top speed
Ki-61
2900 FPM max climbrate
313 MPH @ sea level
368 MPH top speed
The most signifigant difference is of course the vastly improved performance under 10K; P-40E can outclimb the A6M2 by a signifigant margin up to about 11,000 feet and is almost 30 MPH faster. The A6M2 does not enjoy an advantage until above 15k, and how much fighting is done at 15K (where it still has the Wildcat to deal with)?
The P-40E may be historical in this setup, but I wouldn't necessarily call it balanced for gameplay. The Ki-61 is the most balanced match against the P-40E
J_A_B
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This planeset in gameplay terms is one of the most balanced out there. If anybody says otherwise they haven't given both sides of the planeset a fair shake.
Ignorance shouldn't be a factor in play-balance.
VOTE Bug:aok
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Originally posted by eskimo2
Learn your terms. Most of my kills were Cherry-Picks. Less than 1/4 were vulches.
eskimo
On me they were all vultches. So :P, I hope you know I'm not being serious.
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Originally posted by TheBug
This planeset in gameplay terms is one of the most balanced out there. If anybody says otherwise they haven't given both sides of the planeset a fair shake.
Ignorance shouldn't be a factor in play-balance.
VOTE Bug:aok
That is spot on Bug. I see you've been passed up again. Hmmm. try a different aftershave.
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Originally posted by storch
That is spot on Bug. I see you've been passed up again. Hmmm. try a different aftershave.
I believe it is my very sensitive gag reflex that is keeping me off the CT staff. :)
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Storch you hurt my fealings. You coment on eskimo's vulches but not mine? :(