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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Capt. Pork on July 20, 2004, 09:12:27 PM
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Who here wants it, or thinks the US could benefit from it?
Who thinks it could work in a nation this big, with so much of the present economy resting on the free market?
Who doesn't?
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We are introverted geeks who hang out in front of computer monitors. Please educate us on this word socialism.
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(waits behind door with foot out to trip Laz as he rushes in)
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Originally posted by Nash
We are introverted geeks who hang out in front of computer monitors. Please educate us on this word socialism.
Socialism is when you put a highly taggable asian chick on your avatar and then refuse to tell Capt. Pork where you got it.
Since you're already in front of a computer, I suggest googling for alternative definitions.
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Oh.... politics... Suprise! :eek:
As long as the gov controls one single tiny aspect of anything, socialism already exists.
It's not about if the US should have it. Because it's already there.
It's about the degree of socialism... how much/too much. Does it work? Any of it? That kinda thing.
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I don't want socialism, and I don't think it would benefit the US.
Boehemian artists from Slovakia came over as exchange artists in a sister city program. We had a party at my house, and these guys liked to drink. One of the artists was a sculptor and master woodcarver of about 8" chess pieces depicting German soldiers for one side and Russian soldiers for the other. He had many small figurines, some of biblical figures, David (Goliath), Moses. While he was in town he worked on larger wooden sculptures, a 6' shark, 3' turtle. All his tools were home made. One large chisel he made from a tank barrel and the grooves were visible. He had worked in a Czechoslovakian tank factory for 26 years (he had a tatoo on his wrist of two crossed hammers, it was his union mark.)
He liked it here in America so much, he returned a second time for as long as he could. What he liked about America was that it wasn't socialist. He wanted to get away from that.
Les
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POST OFFICE = STALIN
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Originally posted by Montezuma
POST OFFICE = STALIN
You ain't kiddin! It's the socialist vehicle that drives my capitalist creditors to my doorstep every single day. You mean you want MONEY in exchange for the use of this card? Huh? Freedom, my arse!
No, wait, I think I'm confused.
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Too late by about 67 years.
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Socialism where small business men have to compete with goverment businesses is bad.
Socialism where everyone is guerenteed good health care is good.
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
Who here wants it, or thinks the US could benefit from it?
Who thinks it could work in a nation this big, with so much of the present economy resting on the free market?
Who doesn't?
Better define what socialism is first.
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For all practical purposes it's communism. Socialism is a Russian thing. The only true communists where communism worked was the Incas in Peru thousands of years ago, and the modern day Chinese.
Les
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China? Communist?
Bwhahahahaha!!!!!! :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Thanks for being nice about it Stang, but communism worked in China for a long time. It's probably the best form of government for the Chinese. I'm serious.
Les
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From Dilbert: "Communism is the hardest way to go from capitalism to capitalism"
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ALL nations practise socialism...some more than other tho.
I have asked americans several time what they can do that we over here in "socialist" norway cant.....it always boil down to the same thing......nothing.
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
Who thinks it could work in a nation this big
Well, it "worked" in the former USSR, which is considerably bigger than the USA. But socialism sucks.
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Actually to correct Leslie, Socialism was not Russian. It was more German. In fact Karl Marx never envisaged an agrarian peasant based culture like Russia as a potential Socialist utopia. Germany was the ideal country being heavily industrialised with a large proletariat. It didn't quite work out like that. They had quite a different form of Socialism.
The whole Socialism thing is a red herring. As Nilsen says everyone practises a form of Socialism anyway. Most of the western democracies have a balancing act between the right and left. Republican/Democrats, Labour/Conservatives etc. Both overlap their policies to some extent. Most people are happy with the balancing act except for the extreme right or left who are never happy but luckily are a minority and are unelectable. Those guys only get into power by revolution or coup.
In my opinion in the United States even the Democrats are relatively right wing. Shocking though that concept might be to conservatives on this BBS.
Pure Socialism doesn't work because it runs contrary to man's capitalist instincts. But elements of it are needed to keep those capitalist instincts in check. Plenty of South American countries are good examples of how bad it gets when the rich are unrestrained. A few rich people surrounded by masses of poor.
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Good post, cpxxx.
Originally posted by cpxxx
In my opinion in the United States even the Democrats are relatively right wing. Shocking though that concept might be to conservatives on this BBS.
Yep, that was my opinion when I went to live work in the US - in the last year of the Carter administration. When I came to do my taxes (or rather have them done for me) I was amazed at the number of things that were tax deductible. Of course, the comparison I was making back then was against Callaghan's Labour Govt., 83% income tax and all that...
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socialism is evil.
Pongo.. everyone in America is guarenteed health care if they pay for it. Even anyone who won't will get health care which is probly wrong.
The government can't guarentee anything. They have no money and earn nothing. The only way they can "give" anything is to take it from someone else.
Socialism appeals to young people starting out and with a head full of mush because it sounds noble "to each according to his needs, from each according to his ability" and life seems overwhelming to them untill they wake up and realize it is they that are paying for inefficient government programs
nielson... mexican women... Good mexican food... deserts.... $2 a gallon gasoline... A safe full of handguns and the right to carry them.. cheap hot rods. The best heart surgeons in the world in abundance.... Drive 10,000 miles without a passport. The right to chose any doctor I want. Shopping malls. More of my money to spend. The sun.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
nielson... mexican women... Good mexican food... deserts.... $2 a gallon gasoline... A safe full of handguns and the right to carry them.. cheap hot rods. The best heart surgeons in the world in abundance.... Drive 10,000 miles without a passport. The right to chose any doctor I want. Shopping malls. More of my money to spend. The sun.
lazs
we dont have less hart surgeons than you compared to the population. Dont need a passport to drive 10000 miles. We have plenty of shopping malls. Same amount of money to spend.
yes....you do have more mexican woman.
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so you are saying that you pay the same amount of taxes that we do? Are you counting fuel taxes? ours are 34 cents a gallon.
in any case... you don't have most of the things I need.
lazs
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Originally posted by Nilsen
ALL nations practise socialism...some more than other tho.
I have asked americans several time what they can do that we over here in "socialist" norway cant.....it always boil down to the same thing......nothing.
How many Norwegian millionaires do you know?
How easy is it to become one?
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
Socialism is when you put a highly taggable asian chick on your avatar and then refuse to tell Capt. Pork where you got it.
She's Asian??? (sorry, I never got past her hooters)
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Originally posted by beet1e
Well, it "worked" in the former USSR, which is considerably bigger than the USA. But socialism sucks.
It worked?
I must have missed something.
I guess it is pretty neat when you have to wait in line for 2 years to get a new refrigerator or 4 years for a crappy little car.
I wonder if we also take into account that Russian government authority, as well as whatever benefits it may have brought with it, barely spread past the major cities. Take a trip 100 miles from Moscow or Leningrad and the brave new world of Socialism became the brave old world of post-feudalism. It did spread in one key way, however--nobody had any money.
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yep... norway would work for the socialists in our country who don't really want opportunity or freedom. It would work for those who can't drive or hate cars and are afraid of handguns... Those are the people that you probly have talked to.
It has been my experiance that every foreighner that has lived here for a while have all said the same thing... That they can't believe all the freedom and opportunity they have here. But... the ones who come here are probably not typical... they tend to be more "individualistic"
lazs
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So what's the problem with Norway and oppurtunity? Someone can't open a business there? I'm asking because I have NO idea.
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
How many Norwegian millionaires do you know?
How easy is it to become one?
Plenty and there are more every year. If i dont mess up ill be one (in dollars) in some years and i am now in norwegian currency (not cash but my total value)
It is not hard to become a millionare if you work hard....same as for most people i guess.
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What I want to know, Nilson, is how much do these heart surgeons make, and how many hours a week do they have to work to get there?
How many hours do they put in during residency?
I'm not trying to lead you with this questions, I'm asking out of curiosity.
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he still hasn't even admitted that the things I said are ones that you can't do/have in norway.
We have more purchasing power and more of our money is ours with fewer real taxes. Goods are cheaper.
Their population is allmost entirely white... I don't know if that is because they keep people out or no one wants to live there but... why don't poor euros sneak in to get all that great living?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
he still hasn't even admitted that the things I said are ones that you can't do/have in norway.
We have more purchasing power and more of our money is ours with fewer real taxes. Goods are cheaper.
Their population is allmost entirely white... I don't know if that is because they keep people out or no one wants to live there but... why don't poor euros sneak in to get all that great living?
lazs
Where do you get your information from? And i did answer all your questions i think. Oh sorry forgot: Hotrods..yes if you really want one, but very few do. Safe full of handguns, yes if you want to.
Capt. Pork.... Im not a doctor so i dont know the details about their life. All i know is that if you are in need of a great heart surgean you get it.
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If you wanted a Kimber eclipse custom 45 acp how much would it cost you? Total cost out the door and in your hand. How many places could you carry it around in? How much for a box of 45 federal hydroshoks? Go to the gun store or call one and get back to me.
you don't have hot rods because your government is screwing you on gas taxes. You also can't get parts because you have no industry. You also can't get U.S parts because they are about 3 times as expensive as I can get em.
We can buy virtually anything here cheaper than you can... people compete for our money. Millions of small bussineses create a multitude of goods.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
If you wanted a Kimber eclipse custom 45 acp how much would it cost you? Total cost out the door and in your hand. How many places could you carry it around in? How much for a box of 45 federal hydroshoks? Go to the gun store or call one and get back to me.
you don't have hot rods because your government is screwing you on gas taxes. You also can't get parts because you have no industry. You also can't get U.S parts because they are about 3 times as expensive as I can get em.
We can buy virtually anything here cheaper than you can... people compete for our money. Millions of small bussineses create a multitude of goods.
lazs
lol at this point i finally see that you are pulling my leg.. you had me there for a while. :D
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I don't know Lazs, shooting 'em might be too good for 'em.
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Originally posted by lazs2
If you wanted a Kimber eclipse custom 45 acp how much would it cost you? Total cost out the door and in your hand. How many places could you carry it around in? How much for a box of 45 federal hydroshoks? Go to the gun store or call one and get back to me.
you don't have hot rods because your government is screwing you on gas taxes. You also can't get parts because you have no industry. You also can't get U.S parts because they are about 3 times as expensive as I can get em.
We can buy virtually anything here cheaper than you can... people compete for our money. Millions of small bussineses create a multitude of goods.
lazs
:rolleyes: so typical...:rolleyes:
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neilson... call the gun store.. simple enough. let me know what they tell you.
How much for a good mexican dinner?
Video card?
How much for an edlebrock air gap performer RPM intake manifold for a Chevy big block with oval ports?
No? let's turn it around then...
Name one thing that is better in your country besides snow skiing.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
neilson... call the gun store.. simple enough. let me know what they tell you.
How much for a good mexican dinner?
Video card?
How much for an edlebrock air gap performer RPM intake manifold for a Chevy big block with oval ports?
No? let's turn it around then...
Name one thing that is better in your country besides snow skiing.
lazs
Videocards for pc's costs about the same. Rest i dont know cause its not within my fields of interest but i dont think its expensive. I would never say that anything is better in my country than yours lazs..not even skiing. Its you that started telling us that you can get all kinds of stuff that we cant and that is false. Sure...some things may cost more like gas, but then we have higher wages to pay the higher tax levels Bottom line we have the same or actually a higher standard of living than in America.
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Bottom line we have the same or actually a higher standard of living than in America.
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There are 4,574,560 people living in Norway.
There are 287,524,205 people living in the USA
There are 5.6 million people in USA whos households are valued at more than one million dollars. There are more millionaires in the USA then there are total number of people living in norway.
A vast difference in population skews the perspective
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Cant seem to find a good link atm with number of housholds or individuals in norway that are millionares (in dollars). If i find it it will prolly change everyday depending on changes in currency value. Doesnt really matteras long as im not one of them :D.
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wonder if your country would last a year if mexico was on your border. We have 10 times more illegal aliens than you have people. And.. they don't all have blue eyes and speak our language.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
wonder if your country would last a year if mexico was on your border. We have 10 times more illegal aliens than you have people. And.. they don't all have blue eyes and speak our language.
lazs
Im sorry.. are you under the impression that we only have blue eyed norwegians here and no "aliens"?
You are mistaken again sir.
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Nilhouse
I'm sure your country is beautiful and a great place to live. Some day soon, I'd very much like to see it.
However, when I come home, I would like to spend some time (http://www.computerpannen.com/cwm/contrib/blackeye/AR15firing.gif)
and (http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/sarge/SierraC3.gif)
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hehe, http://www.mysmileys.com Capt?
I can do that to if i want to. Dont need a truck tho, the old stationwagon is good enough for now. Shooting cant be done in the garden tho, you need to go to a range.
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Yeah yeah, U$mocracy is soooo much better place to live in earth than all the rest.
Im so envy...
:rofl
(edit typo :-)
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Originally posted by Xjazz
Yeah yeah, U$mocracy is soooo much better place to live in earth than all the rest.
Im so envy...
:rofl
(edit typo :-)
Ahem
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All this slagging of Norway or is it Nilsen and then I read this. Norway is no. 1 and the US is number 8, Ireland number 10:o
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040715/lf_afp/un_development_places_040715174519
That's irony. But at least Ireland is as nearly a good place to live as the USA LOL.
On the point of health services in the USA, Lazs.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/business/stories.nsf/Business/2B25CD362D9E94D786256ED800379E38?OpenDocument&Headline=Coalition+urges+universal+health+insurance
Two million people a year will be priced out of the insurance market, with the number of uninsured growing to more than 51 million by 2006.
Not much point in having a quality health service if you can't access it.
Note some of the supporters ex presidents Carter, Ford and one George Bush Snr.
Providing proper health care is not Socialism. It's a right in a rich free society.
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Where in Ireland do you live cpxxx?
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cpx..I have real good health insureance. The reasons your article gives for norway being #1 are not reasons that I would live in a country for... very few of the reasons apply to me anyway.
I guess if you never plan to be above poverty level you are better off in a socialized country so that everyone can take dare of you.
nielson... Are you saying that you take care of as many per capita illegals as we do? What is the average education and earnings of your illegals?
so you can own a gun if you don't shoot it anywhere but at the rangee but it costs yo 5 bucks a gallon to get there in the snow?
Ok.. so you couldn't answer the questions about firearms or car parts... How bout something simple? How much for an avacado? a pound of grapes or oranges? lettuce? Lb of strawberries?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
cpx..I have real good health insureance. The reasons your article gives for norway being #1 are not reasons that I would live in a country for... very few of the reasons apply to me anyway.
I guess if you never plan to be above poverty level you are better off in a socialized country so that everyone can take dare of you.
nielson... Are you saying that you take care of as many per capita illegals as we do? What is the average education and earnings of your illegals?
so you can own a gun if you don't shoot it anywhere but at the rangee but it costs yo 5 bucks a gallon to get there in the snow?
Ok.. so you couldn't answer the questions about firearms or car parts... How bout something simple? How much for an avacado? a pound of grapes or oranges? lettuce? Lb of strawberries?
lazs
i dont have the stats on how many we take care of lazs, but when they get here they are usually very poor and uneducated from the third world. we offer education to them when they get here.
Guns can be fired at a range or during hunting and there is only snow in the winter here. Gas prices are high but you dont need to travel more than 10-20 mins to get to one.
I dont have the price of fruits and veggies in my head but they are cheap compared to our income.
Anything else? I know you are "fishing" me but i dont mind.... carry on :D
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nielson... no, not "fishing you"... you simply claimed that you could do anything in your country that I could do here. I pointed out that you couldn't ... I also pointed out that many things are either unavailabel or very expensive with less selection.
I also pointed out that any stats about average income and such take into account a very large poverty level that I do not wish to be a part of so has nothing to do with me. I certainly don't care enough to confiscate all the rich folks income to raise up the ones who like to live at poverty level.
I believe that most of the socialist programs have hurt this country. social security for instance and welfare.
lazs
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Dublin, Nilsen. Good old dirty old Dublin.
(http://www.blarneyvillage.com/collections/paintingsandpictures/photochromaticpics_files/cr79.jpg)
(I took this photo yesterday;)
But I'm moving to Galway soon as my fiance (to continue the healthcare theme) just got a job in a fancy new private hospital and it's a good place to live.
(http://www.tedturton.com/images/gal_bay.jpg)
Lazs
I believe that most of the socialist programs have hurt this country. social security for instance and welfare.
Sorry Lazs in your world you would definitely need your guns. I agree that too generous welfare is bad but none means people have to resort to ANY means to stay alive. They will come and take it off you if they can
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I cant answer to what socialist programs that has hurt your country, but trust me....its far from impossible to get very rich here if that is what you aim for. Like in every other place, hard work does the trick.
I will not argue with you on this tho.... If you never get sick or use any public service at all then yes..they take more from you than they would in America.
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Im gonna visit Ireland someday Cpxxx and if all goes as i hope then we will do it on a boat of our own.
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Well Nilsen dock in Galway harbour and look me up. We're buying a house overlooking an inlet of the bay.
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Originally posted by cpxxx
Well Nilsen dock in Galway harbour and look me up. We're buying a house overlooking an inlet of the bay.
This the place?
(http://www.villerindell.com/Ireland99/pics2/44_Galway%20city15.jpg)
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A bit further in I think
(http://www.oceanbb.com/artwork/saltnew.jpg)
OK not our house but..........
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Yeah found a ton of pics....looks like a really nice place. Gonna se Dublin to tho when i get there.
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cpx.. maybe you don't realize that welfare is not something we have had for very long and that the more welfare we have the less "good" it does?
As for healthcare... My healthcare is excellent. I can get appointments rapidly and can see different doctors if I wish..I don't have 600 people in line in front of me to go to the dentist as I heard was common in england say. I would like to see reforms in helathcare insurance tho. If our lawsuits matched the socialist countries in terms of severity and frequency then our healthcare insurance would be halved at least.
The fact is that all government is waste. Anything the government extorts your money for is mostly wasted. There is no service that the government can provide that couldn't be better and more effieciently provided by provate industry.... The only thing that we can't trust private industry with is raising an army and that is pretty much about all the government was tasked with in our constitution.
nielson.. you started out by saying that Americans couldn't tell you anthing that they had that you didn't... I submit that you have sampled a very narrow band of Americans. I have told you that I like Hot Rods and guns and cheap gas and variety of cheap goods. I have told you that I don't want to pay high taxes.
I told you that If you take out the people who don't work then, by the UN standards... the U.S. would probly hae higher average income and longer life than yu.
And exactly what is it that your socialist society produces that makes it so economicaly viable? What did socialism do to boost the economy in your country? Imagine how much you would have without it.
It is much like saying that the arabs are great industrialists and producers because of their GNP.
lazs
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Yes lazs. You win :)
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not trying to win...(well maybe a little) but you started out saying that Americans can't find anything we have that your socialist society doesn't have.
I would turn it around...The UN claims that you have a high average income... How did socialism create that? What does socialism produce? What does your country have that I can't get here?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I don't have 600 people in line in front of me to go to the dentist as I heard was common in england say.
Come on, Lazs. That's bollocks and I think you know it. ;) I schedule my appointments every six months. I make the appointment for the next visit on the way out. I turn up at the appointed time and get seen straight away. The waiting room has seating for about 8 people - kind of hard to imagine 600 people in there. :lol
Still, very few dentists are NHS these days. Mine isn't.
(http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_10_3.gif)
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What if you break a tooth, Beetle, cosmetically or to the root. How long before you are in the office? Same day for me.
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Originally posted by Lizking
What if you break a tooth, Beetle, cosmetically or to the root. How long before you are in the office? Same day for me.
It's never happened to me, so I just called my dentist's office to find out. Emergency treatment is available on a same day basis. An emergency would exist if the patient was in pain, or a condition existed that would lead to rapid degradation of a tooth. The scenario you describe would qualify as an emergency. Otherwise an appointment would be needed - possibly 1-2 weeks.
My mother broke a filling once, many years ago. Our dentist lived in the same street and took her up to the surgery in his own car - and that was a Saturday afternoon.
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What GS said. Our goverment is oriented pretty far to the right now... That will prolly change after the next election tho because sertain things that the present goverment has done. We will see.... lots can change from not til then.
I have always woted for "right" as the party is called and as you can prolly understand, they are pretty far to the righ side in our system. Im not sure that i will vote for them this time tho.
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Originally posted by lazs2
neilson... call the gun store.. simple enough. let me know what they tell you.
How much for a good mexican dinner?
Video card?
How much for an edlebrock air gap performer RPM intake manifold for a Chevy big block with oval ports?
No? let's turn it around then...
Name one thing that is better in your country besides snow skiing.
lazs
How much will a kidney transplant cost or say 3 years of college education?
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except for the mexican dinner... not seeing any prices here.
No one is turned away with our from hospitals here.
What you guys don't get is that there is no sevice that the government can supply that can't be done better and cheaper through private industry.
My heart surgery cost nothing. well... that is not true.. every service costs something no matter if it is provided by the government or through private bussines.
socialized medicine would be even more unworkable if there were no tort reform. If you had tort reform.... you wouldn't need socialized medicine so... the whole thing is moot.
Also... if there is no more gun control in Germany than there is here then why all the hand wringing about Americans and our guns .... shlortz just told us he could get whatever he wanted... I suppose he could carry it and shoot it anywhere it was safe and keep all his guns in his home... it is legal to defend your property and person with one too I suppose? Fuel is how much in Germany?
lazs
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Ok.. you don't live in germany.. it's your devotion to nazi planes that threw me off.
"Things that are better here except skiing: Water quality, air quality in cities, power infrastructure (with no pollution), Internet and communications infrastructure, gasoline quality (but it costs a lot more), health care, social services, education, crime rate, gun control (better both ways), higher salaries, better looking women (), car drivers that can actually drive, police that won't shoot you for petty crimes, fishing, whaling, hunting (arguably) ... can't think of any more right now."
Water quality is better? why is that? we have stricter regulations than you. so, it is something besides government?
Air quality? again... we have at least as strict a regulations as you how is socialism making your air better? Perhaps because you can't afford to drive?
power infrastructure? How does socialism help that?
internet communications? what? isn't it all in jiberish? why are you here then?
health care and social services? no... you are only talking for the average person. People here with insurance get better treatment than you do.
Car drivers that can drive? socialism keeps out asians? or.... maybe you have natural talents? or socialism creates better drivers?
you make socialism work by spreding out the pain. We don't want to do that.
gun control? with our population... your form of gun control would create from 1.5-3 million more crimes a year. Perhaps you are saying that socialism takes all the drive and agression out of people? perhaps that is true. doesn't seem worth it.
lazs
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sounds like you have no more gun control than we do (10 day waiting period here) sooo....
If that's the case then how is your gun control better? shorter waiting period?
I also heard you could have silencers. That would be better.
call the gunstore for me and ask em how much for a Kimber eclipse custom 45 acp total all taxes and fees. How bout a box of 45 aco ammo?
lazs
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Gun control as in....we have more than you :p
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Hehe, you dont fire blanks do you GS :D
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what gun control? we have to pass a firearms safety test too... Waht gun control do you have that makes you safe from firearms crime??
Are yu saying that our gun control and gun bans are meaningless and that if we had socialism we would need less gun control and bans?
Why would a Kimber cost a bundle? It is just a product and would weigh very little so shipping couldn't be the problem. How bout a remington 700 then? you know, a hunting rifle... how much? How much for a box of 20 30 ought six rifle rounds?
How much for a saab car or Corvette?
What does norway produce?
lazs
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never thought id find myself defending socialism after having voted Høyre and FRP on previous elections :D
I sometimes think that our faaaaar right is the same as the left in the US tho :D
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Originally posted by Nilsen
ALL nations practise socialism...some more than other tho.
I have asked americans several time what they can do that we over here in "socialist" norway cant.....it always boil down to the same thing......nothing.
In the USA I can go outside in January in shorts and a golf shirt and play 18 holes, and still be considered sane. (in AZ anyway) You can't do that in Oslo.
Maybe in 10 or 15 years you will, but not now.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
In the USA I can go outside in January in shorts and a golf shirt and play 18 holes, and still be considered sane. (in AZ anyway) You can't do that in Oslo.
Maybe in 10 or 15 years you will, but not now.
Ok....you got me :D
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Check out this shor presentation of norway on my schools website
http://www.bi.no/templates/artikkel____20870.aspx
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ok... so gun control is really less or the same in norway... so I don't get how is superior or inferior. It would appear that gun ownership for citizens is not in the least a bad thing... would you agree? How is it that other eros seem to feel that guns cause crime? Norways example would seem to indicate that gun ownership is neutral or an advantage... that gun control causes or at best, doesn't help reduce crime. Your crime rates are lower than many euro countries with very strict gun control.
The cost for the remmington is about right.
from what I read doesn't norway produce oil and timber as the main exports? that is what supports your socialism.. you spend 9% of your gnp for health care and have nothing like our severity of lawsuits against doctors or it would quadruple.
so how much for a gallon of gas? Do you have any idea of how much of an increase Americans are willing to pay for a gallon of gas in order to fund healthcare? I would say nothing... it will have to be jammed down our throats or behind our backs.
I don't think either of us knows what life is like in the others country. What is important to you is not to us and vice versa. I also think that socialism works a lot better in a country that is more of one race and mind. I actually like the diversity of peoples here and think it is one reason we do so well.... the input from so many different types of people.
Thing is... I like it here. It works well for me... I would like it more with less socialism. America is very good for certain types of people.... socialism is good for certain tyupes of people
I will never be the type that socialism is good for. Make sense?
lazs
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I makes perfect sense that people want different things.
Im gonna do a Ripsnort now:
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Over the past century, Norwegians have proved adept at making the most of their rich natural resources.
Norway is a leading producer of aluminum, magnesium, Ferro-alloys and chemicals. It is one of the major suppliers of crude oil and natural gas to Western Europe.
A combination of hydropower and extensive forests has created a thriving pulp, paper and lumber industry. Norwegian skills and know-how in energy development are in great demand all over the world.
Norway's merchant fleet ranks among the world's largest and the seas around the coastline yield a harvest of fish that formed Norway's earliest export industry.
The exceptionally harsh weather conditions in the North Sea have placed Norwegian oil companies in the vanguard when it comes to new technology for deep-water exploration and exploitation. The rich oil resources have also made Norway a rather wealthy country. The standard of living is high and the average GNP per capita is one of the highest in the world."
What separates us when it comes to guns i think is that many americans have them for self defence, we use them for hunting. Of course you also use them for sport and hunting, but i think its the main diff.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
In the USA I can go outside in January in shorts and a golf shirt and play 18 holes, and still be considered sane. (in AZ anyway) You can't do that in Oslo.
Maybe in 10 or 15 years you will, but not now.
Great! Erm... what's the skiing like in AZ?
I'm still trying to decide whether to retire to America or Norway...
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Originally posted by Nilsen
I makes perfect sense that people want different things.
Im gonna do a Ripsnort now:
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Over the past century, Norwegians have proved adept at making the most of their rich natural resources.
Norway is a leading producer of aluminum, magnesium, Ferro-alloys and chemicals. It is one of the major suppliers of crude oil and natural gas to Western Europe.
A combination of hydropower and extensive forests has created a thriving pulp, paper and lumber industry. Norwegian skills and know-how in energy development are in great demand all over the world.
Norway's merchant fleet ranks among the world's largest and the seas around the coastline yield a harvest of fish that formed Norway's earliest export industry.
The exceptionally harsh weather conditions in the North Sea have placed Norwegian oil companies in the vanguard when it comes to new technology for deep-water exploration and exploitation. The rich oil resources have also made Norway a rather wealthy country. The standard of living is high and the average GNP per capita is one of the highest in the world."
What separates us when it comes to guns i think is that many americans have them for self defence, we use them for hunting. Of course you also use them for sport and hunting, but i think its the main diff.
Amazing.
Now imagine how great Norway would be without socialism slowing them down. It wouldn't be the EU, it would be the United States of Norway. :)
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Amazing.
Now imagine how great Norway would be without socialism slowing them down. It wouldn't be the EU, it would be the United States of Norway. :)
United Cities or United Counties of Norway .....no states here :D
nah...better stick with things as it is.
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i agree with lazs on one thing - national healthcare. It does suck, the couple of weeks i spent in hospital under the NHS nearly killed me til i got transferred to a private ward. Who wants to share a ward with 6 others that is, filthy, noisey and generally ill equipped?
Still.. its good for those that are unfortunate enough not to be able to afford healthcare insurance - as a last resort i suppose. At least there is an alternative.