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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Halo on July 20, 2004, 10:03:40 PM
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Just finished Dale Brown's new book, Air Battle Force, which focuses on remotely piloted vehicles and drone battles in the near future, with much emphasis on a huge underground air base in Nevada.
Does such an underground air base exist?
How many underground air bases are there in the world? Where are they?
Don't compromise any classified information, but if there is any unclassified information about such underground air bases, especially any in WWII that might be Aces High material, bring it on.
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Dude, the black choppers are on the way, just for you bringing this up/
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I've read two of his books, Fatal Terrain and Tin Man.
Albeit tolerable reading for a 5 hour plane ride, all in all, Dale Brown's work makes Clancy look like Tolstoy.
If the story about a vigilante cop in an indestructible body suit(Tin Man) proves true, then and only then should you start looking for underground bases.
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Germans had underground airbases in WWII (well storage "hangars" and the planes could roll right out and lfy away)
dunno about anyone having any now.
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If ya haven't read his first/early one "Flight of the Old Dog" yer missing his best work imo.
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FOTOD is not only his best, but the DOS game was a great systems sim too!
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The Suisses have underground air bases inside mountains:cool:
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you been reading the National inquirer?
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They do have underground hangars, and tunels where they carry the F5s suspended on a crane sliding on a rail on the ceiling.
They take off on highways, have roads crossing their runways with "train style crossing guard", have live shooting ranges in the middle of lakes, on the flank of a montain...
Pretty neat, space is everything in Swizerland. Would liked to be a sunday pilot over there (they have part time pilots, no enolisted pilots IIRC).:D :cool: :D
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Area 51 has flying saucers stored underground for reverse engineering purposes.:D
Les
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Sorry Halo, I've been drinking and had a bad day. Meant no disrespect.
It's an interesting question. I'm sure there are underground air bases somewhere on this Earth. It's probably not beyond our technology.
JB73 is right about German underground facilities. They had lots of underground operations.
JB73, do you have a link for the airfields underground? Where did you hear about them, if you don't mind my asking? I know V-2 rockets were built underground .
Les
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Didnt the japanese have some caves in WW2 that they could land in and take off from?.............or did i just read that in a fictional cartoon in my youth?
I belive Norway has some F16 hangars inside a mountain.
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Yeah, Brown's writing has been panned before, but I like to read speculative stuff about potential future conflicts. After all, speculating about and preparing for future conflicts is basically what war planners do without the stilted dialogue between fictional heroes and heroines.
In Air Battle Force, Brown acknowledges the help of Beale AFB recon people, Air Force Plant 42 at Nellis AFB, and Indian Springs Air Force Auxiliary Field on his "incredible research trip."
His presumably fictional underground air base is Battle Mountain Air National Guard base in north-central Nevada with a supposed 12,000-foot runway "in the middle of nowhere, with no air base around the monstrous strip of reinforced concrete." And no control tower.
Like his imaginary super B-52 in Flight of the Old Dog, this super plane is the EB-1C Vampire bomber, a highly modified B-1 that can be flown from the ground with no crew in the aircraft.
True, Brown is not Tom Clancy, and Clancy is not a writer for the ages either, but both have made good careers out of bringing to life present and potential future weapon systems for the general public.
If you're reading this thread, you'll enjoy Air Battle Force. It's at your library as well as local book stores.
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Speaking about authors...W.E.B. Griffin...."Brotherhood of war "series and "The Corps" series offer some excellent reading in this ones opinion....
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Yeah, really enjoy W.E.B. Griffin. Also Martin Caidin, Walter Boyne, James Michener, and John Toland.
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I have been told that our local base (March) has a huge network of offices, tunnels and such underground. This is mainly because it used to be the main SAC base on the west coast.
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With all do respect, an Underground Airbase , is a contradiction in terms.....
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Originally posted by Otto
With all do respect, an Underground Airbase , is a contradiction in terms.....
Dude!...that's "due", not "do". As in "Due" to your lack of comprehension of the English language, your sentences "do" not read well.
:D j/k
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Originally posted by Halo
Does such an underground air base exist?
How many underground air bases are there in the world? Where are they?
Well Ask VOSS he will know :D :D
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I have been told that our local base (March) has a huge network of offices, tunnels and such underground. This is mainly because it used to be the main SAC base on the west coast.
"Vanderberg" was a good book. My brother was offered a teaching position in California universities. Physics, and he ha a batchelors degree in Physics. He worked for NASA for 35 years and then became Chief of the Physics Dept. for 10 years. On his business card it said Jimmy Thompson, Chief of Propulsion Design and Aeronautic Engineering.
Les
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Someone should count all the "trigger" words in this thread. Could be a record lol :D
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Originally posted by Leslie
Sorry Halo, I've been drinking and had a bad day. Meant no disrespect.
It's an interesting question. I'm sure there are underground air bases somewhere on this Earth. It's probably not beyond our technology.
JB73 is right about German underground facilities. They had lots of underground operations.
JB73, do you have a link for the airfields underground? Where did you hear about them, if you don't mind my asking? I know V-2 rockets were built underground .
Les
sry i got my information long ago in a galaxy far far away (in the recesses of my burned out brain, that i can no longer reach) LOL
sry, i know there was a post on here about it, discovering one beneath a current airport and all... something about un-exploded ordanance, and full planes in mint condition. dont know what happened to the planes or the "base".
post was over a year ago here in the o'club i believe
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I have to agree aboutr W.E.B Griffin, the Corps Series is great, though I think he is getting old cause his last two books in the series, have had some back story flaws.
The Brotherhood of War was great as well.
I have read them both several times, and am working my way through the Corps again now.
Flight of the old dog was cool Read it years ago when I was a teen, could not read any of his newer stuff though.
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With all do respect, an Underground Airbase , is a contradiction in terms.....
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True, I haven't yet heard of any aircraft taking off underground and breaking through the surface the way a submarine-launched ballistic missile bursts out of the ocean ...
but ... underground air base, as in this fiction book, stores and services planes underground, then raises them to surface on elevators, or to levels where they can exit tunnels, the way navy planes are stored and elevated and launched from carriers.
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'Underground Bases' have been a part of conspiracy lore for as long as I can remember. I've got two problems with the idea.
First, why spend all that money to hide something underground when you can do the same thing with a large building for a fraction of the cost.
And second, how do you get rid of the waste material without attracting attention. A hundred trucks a day for years at a time isn't going to be ignored.
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
They do have underground hangars, and tunels where they carry the F5s suspended on a crane sliding on a rail on the ceiling.
They take off on highways, have roads crossing their runways with "train style crossing guard", have live shooting ranges in the middle of lakes, on the flank of a montain...
Pretty neat, space is everything in Swizerland. Would liked to be a sunday pilot over there (they have part time pilots, no enolisted pilots IIRC).:D :cool: :D
I saw a show all about this...it is indeed true.
I mentioned it to my uncle, who is Swiss German. When I told him that I thought these facilities were very cool he looked confused and asked "How do you know about them?" Apparently when he was in the army it was supposed to be a secret.
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Originally posted by Leslie
"Vanderberg" was a good book. My brother was offered a teaching position in California universities. Physics, and he ha a batchelors degree in Physics. He worked for NASA for 35 years and then became Chief of the Physics Dept. for 10 years. On his business card it said Jimmy Thompson, Chief of Propulsion Design and Aeronautic Engineering.
Les
Not only is the book good, the beach at Vandenburg is one of the best in California.
1. Beautiful setting
2. No people (relatively)
3. No people
4. Pretty good waves
5. No people
Point Sur beach would be shut down for missle launches, but mostly it was a great semi-unknown place to hang out.