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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: GRUNHERZ on July 23, 2004, 06:33:13 AM
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One of the central themes when watching F911 was that Bush "highest levels of white house" let the Saudis leave while all flights were grounded (in an attempt to add emphassis F911 even mentioned that former president Bush's flight was grounded) as a political favor. I have seen moore deny this on his website, but viewing the film leaves no doubt as to what the intended message was. And that message was an outright lie.
So to put an end to it here is what the 911 report has to say:
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/US/resources/9.11.report/911Report_Ch10.pdf
Flights of Saudi Nationals Leaving the United States
Three questions have arisen with respect to the departure of Saudi
nationals from the United States in the immediate aftermath of 9/11:
(1) Did any flights of Saudi nationals take place before national airspace
reopened on September 13, 2001? (2) Was there any political intervention
to facilitate the departure of Saudi nationals? (3) Did the FBI
screen Saudi nationals thoroughly before their departure?
First, we found no evidence that any flights of Saudi nationals,
domestic or international, took place before the reopening of national
airspace on the morning of September 13, 2001.24 To the contrary,
every flight we have identified occurred after national airspace
reopened.25
Second, we found no evidence of political intervention.We found
no evidence that anyone at the White House above the level of Richard
Clarke participated in a decision on the departure of Saudi nationals.
The issue came up in one of the many video teleconferences of the
interagency group Clarke chaired, and Clarke said he approved of how
the FBI was dealing with the matter when it came up for interagency
discussion at his level. Clarke told us,“I asked the FBI, Dale Watson . . .
to handle that, to check to see if that was all right with them, to see if
they wanted access to any of these people, and to get back to me.And
if they had no objections, it would be fine with me.” Clarke added,“I
have no recollection of clearing it with anybody at the White
House.”26
Although White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card remembered
someone telling him about the Saudi request shortly after 9/11, he said
he had not talked to the Saudis and did not ask anyone to do anything
about it.The President and Vice President told us they were not aware
of the issue at all until it surfaced much later in the media. None of the
officials we interviewed recalled any intervention or direction on this
matter from any political appointee.27
Third,we believe that the FBI conducted a satisfactory screening of
Saudi nationals who left the United States on charter flights.28 The
Saudi government was advised of and agreed to the FBI’s requirements
that passengers be identified and checked against various databases
before the flights departed.29The Federal Aviation Administration representative
working in the FBI operations center made sure that the
FBI was aware of the flights of Saudi nationals and was able to screen
the passengers before they were allowed to depart.30
The FBI interviewed all persons of interest on these flights prior to
their departures.They concluded that none of the passengers was connected
to the 9/11 attacks and have since found no evidence to change
that conclusion. Our own independent review of the Saudi nationals
involved confirms that no one with known links to terrorism departed
on these flights.31
Comments?
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Michael Moore is a avacado and everyone that likes him is a dink?
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I DONT LIE!!!111
(http://www.gothamist.com/images/2003%20oscar%20michael%20moore.jpg)
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michaelmoorelovesamerica
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So ..... Moore didn't lie, but he intended to. Got it.
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MT have you seen the movie?
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Nope
You?
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Yes.
And why not you?
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It's not out on video yet?
Actually.... no time or inclination.
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nothing moore does stands any kind of scrutiny.. he is an angry fat satire writer that got into movies that were satire... he sang to the hollywood choir and is getting more than the 15 minutes of fame he deserves because he is such a radical lefty in a radical lefty bussines.
He will collapse under his own weight from the facts but he will do some harm before then. Most people won't read the commission or the british version or even soundbites from it but moores work of fiction will be out for vidieo rental right around the election.
it is tricky timing for moore and co.. if they release it too soon... people will forget about it when they vote and it they will mostly recall the way it was later discredited... if he releases to late,right before the election for maximum efrfect... he stands the very real chance of everyone realizing it is fiction and not even bothering to rent it.
lazs
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I would be willing to bet that family members of many countries leaders left, for fear of further attacks, to imply that only Saudi family members left is a lie.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
It's not out on video yet?
Actually.... no time or inclination.
Then why bother with MM at all, including participating in MM threads, since you claim to be so indifferent about him and his latest product?
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Micheal Moore presented testimony from a man involved with the flights. If that testimony was wrong then that should be looked into.
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hey wheres xtonto? this thread is deprived!
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pongo... moores MOVIE is based on a book. the book was not well researched and is a hatchet job... moore is either stupid as a stump or... he knew this and made his "documentary" anyway.
lazs
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Read the 9/11 report and feel the warmth of anger all over again.
It will be a great day when I can piss on Bin Ladens grave.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Read the 9/11 report and feel the warmth of anger all over again.
It will be a great day when I can piss on Bin Ladens grave.
I'd rather s^&t on it.
Karaya
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Originally posted by Stringer
Then why bother with MM at all, including participating in MM threads, since you claim to be so indifferent about him and his latest product?
If there is one theme to every thread I get involved in.. it is my distaste for BS "facts". I don't think you have ever seen me jump on the MM bandwagon. Go check.
I am just a victim of my liberalhoodedness.
:cool:
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Originally posted by Pongo
Micheal Moore presented testimony from a man involved with the flights. If that testimony was wrong then that should be looked into.
Why? Does Moore has some sort of authority or mandate to discover the truth, more than any other citizen? Did Moore swear him in? Who's going to "look into" this? Unlike many places, our government isn't charged with censoring ridiculously outlandish political statements.
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Originally posted by lazs2
pongo... moores MOVIE is based on a book. the book was not well researched and is a hatchet job... moore is either stupid as a stump or... he knew this and made his "documentary" anyway.
lazs
Moores view and the view in House of Bush House of Saud are based on the testimony of an ex CIA guy that participated in the evacuation of the Saudis. If he was wrong then it would be interesting to see in what way. Moore didnt do a hack job of the guys testimony. It was clear and right from his lips.
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Michael Moore is an prettythanghole. When he lived in Michigan (thank god he doesn't anymore), he tried keeping General Motors from building a huge Training complex (Great Lakes Training Facility), their Service Parts Operations HQ, and other buildings. The mere presence of GM in Flint has turned a once "armpit" of Michigan into a better place.
Most of you never read the crap Michiganians like me have. The guy is a piece of s%^t and if I ever see him, I'll still call him a piece of s^&t. The guy is hell bent on stirring up Hornets nests and running like Michael Johnson in the 400m. He'll lay low, then pull the same crap.
To summarize: Moore is a Piece of S^&T.
Karaya
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Fair enough MT.
Of course, it "appears", that BS facts presented by MM don't bother you as much as BS facts presented by the right wing nutjobs :)
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Originally posted by Stringer
Fair enough MT.
Of course, it "appears", that BS facts presented by MM don't bother you as much as BS facts presented by the right wing nutjobs :)
Probably true. OK it is true... Nutjobs spin me up. What can I say?
I did mention my talk with my son after he saw 911. I did mention how I tried to burst his MM worship bubble. I swear I did!
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Roll of Thunder, Hear My Cry...
the victims may sue, bye and bye...
while Michael unwraps a roll of Tums...
something wicked his way comes.
Oh well...I never was much of a poet.
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Are you implying MM isn't a nutjob?
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When pressed in a recent interview about what F911 was really about, MM stated, "It is not a documentary, it is more satire/parody than anything else. I used the medium I know how to work with to assert my opinion that Bush should not be the President."
It is amazing how many people are being lead by the nose, as it were and doing it so willingly.
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Originally posted by Toad
Are you implying MM isn't a nutjob?
Wacky.... ain't it?
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LOL MT, I vaguely recall some mention of a talk....hehe.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I have seen moore deny this on his website, but viewing the film leaves no doubt as to what the intended message was.
I will promise everyone who read this thread that Grun can not produce a link to prove that claim....because he's lying!
take it away Grun;)
prove me wrong!:lol
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
When pressed in a recent interview about what F911 was really about, MM stated, "It is not a documentary, it is more satire/parody than anything else. I used the medium I know how to work with to assert my opinion that Bush should not be the President."
It is amazing how many people are being lead by the nose, as it were and doing it so willingly.
Does this mean he won't accept the oscar for Best Documentary?
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Why wouldn't he? It's only called a documentary for the purposes of marketing. Just like his last film.
If it was marketed as it really is, the film would have bombed at the box office. Instead it was marketed in an area ripe for making money.
You may not like him, but you have to accept he does a brilliant job marketing his product. He has the sheep by the nose and they seem happy to comply.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
MT have you seen the movie?
Ordinarily it would be relevent to require a critic to see the movie he is critiquing. But in the case of Moore, I don't think it's required. All that Moore has ever produced is of the same genre... BS. He twists, distorts, misrepresents, misquotes, misleads, uses erronious material, and outright lies his fat bellybutton off.
I have seen pretty much all of his work, except for F911, and aside from comedic value, it's worthless. It consists soley of deviant claims twisted to substantiate an opinion that cannot be substantiated by facts. just like pounding a round peg into a square hole. The only people who fail to recognize his distorted reality are those who want to believe him. Even on some points that can be substantiated in fact, Moore seems to choose balderdash instead. It's like he is bent on producing lies than proving a premise.
Be assured that anything with Moore's name on it is tripe.
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Skuzzy, have you seen F9/11?
If you have, what did you think of it by way of it's compilation? How would you express your opinion on its 'entertainment' value?
I understand you don't care for the political content, but you acknowledge MMoore's success in marketing this film. Do you feel the same about the way he directed it?(BTW: F9/11 should break the $100Million US dollar ticket sales level this week, in less than a month, and with an "R" rating.)
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I am not a big fan of political satire xtoronto so I will not see it.
It's not my opinion about it being 'entertainment'. I wouldn't call it 'entertainment'. Boring would be the word I would apply.
It does not matter what I think about how he made the film. It is what it is.
EDIT: I am not sure why you bring up what the film is grossing. Spiderman 2 is doing much better.
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
I will promise everyone who read this thread that Grun can not produce a link to prove that claim....because he's lying!
take it away Grun;)
prove me wrong!:lol
First, have you seen the movie? If not, what is your basis for argument about what the film actually presents?
As for the link just look on moore's site its right there... http://www.michaelmoore.com/ He makes a pained excuse of how the movie didnt misrepresent anything wrt to these fligts. He even states the movie didnt try to say it. Yet for example a big point made in the movie is that saudi flights were allowed when others were grounded - I distinctly remember F911 saying that even the frst president bush wasnt allowed to fly juxtopsed with these allowed saudi flights.
Pongo makes an intresting point. He is seemoing to say that Moore didnt say anything incorrect but that he merely used another persons opinon which may be wrong. Well moore is responsible for making sure that the content of his film is accurate if he is trying to portray it as fact.
Finally why this ridiculous need for a "link" for every statement. Arent we allowed to think for ourselves and make conclusions based on what we see? The simple fact of the matter is that F911 deliberatly intends to leave one with an impression that political favors from Bush were key in the flights being allowed to happend and this is simply not true as the 911 commision demonstarated. Richard Clarke was the man who handled all of that - it never came to Bush according to everyone involved - even Moore's hero Clarke, in fact he claims sole responsibilt for it.
And you have to prove that I'm lying. Go see the movie and decide for yourself.. Heck it seems I'm the only one here who has seen it.
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Originally posted by GScholz
Grunherz is a LIAR! That is not a SMALL note!
Guilty as charged. :)
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I am just a victim of my liberalhoodedness.
now thats sig material.
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ya i did see F9/11 grun...back on the 29th of june
anyone who hasn't seen it has no place from which to comment...which pretty much leaves only you me and pongo to discuss it
;)
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How convenient.
So why were you asking me all those questions?
EDIT: Question to those who went and saw the movie. Did you go because you truly believed it was a documentary? Or was there other motivation? If so, what was it?
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why dont you take reading lessons?
i asked you IF you saw the movie .... what did you think...
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
why dont you take reading lessons?
i asked you IF you saw the movie .... what did you think... you haven't seen it so shut up
Tell the guy to shut up on his on board? I think you may be needing another handle soon.
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
why dont you take reading lessons?
i asked you IF you saw the movie .... what did you think... you haven't seen it so shut up
you are such a pain in the bellybutton xrtoronto. Almost every time someone tries to discuss anything with you, you launch a personal attack against them.
I think your IQ is probably very low after reading your posts. I have yet to see you offer anything intelligent here.
Go back to your michael moore love doll and leave the BB to people with at least an 80 IQ .
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Originally posted by AKIron
Tell the guy to shut up on his on board? I think you may be needing another handle soon.
i have no doubt
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First, you asked a lot more than if I had seen the movie. For some reason you quoted the amount of money it made. I have no idea what that was about.
I also posted information pertinent to this thread. I am not the one who wants to 'discuss' the movie. There is no point in discussing it.
Either you like political satire and enjoy MM's implementation or you don't like political satire or you do not care for MM's implemetation of satire.
I do not care for political satire, nor MM's marketing tactics in this particular scenario. If you like the movie, peachy.
Now get off your high horse and either discuss the thread or leave. If the best you can do is to tell me to shutup, then I think I may have a better understanding of the type of person that supports MM and takes what he says as truth.
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
i have no doubt
Maybe not, Skuzzy seems to be a pretty tolerant guy. Darnit.
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skuzzy, i asked you about the movie because I was genuinely interested in your opinion...but you haven't seen it....
there was no need to come back with.."how convenient".."why did you ask me those questions"...
If I had previously known you had not seen the movie I would not have asked you those questions....thats
why I said "IF"...
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
i have no doubt
that you sir are a ****
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
skuzzy, i asked you about the movie because I was genuinely interested in your opinion...but you haven't seen it....
there was no need to come back with.."how convenient".."why did you ask me those questions"...
If I had previously known you had not seen the movie I would not have asked you those questions....thats
why I said "IF"...
But I do not have to see it to have an opinion about it. I like good satire and admire writers than can pull it off, but political satire is just too droll for my tastes.
You made the statement pertaining to no one being able to have an opinion or discuss the movie that has not seen it. That is simply 'convenient' as it is not true.
Anyone can have an opinion about a movie based solely on the type of movie it is. If this had been a true documentary, I would have probably gone and seen it as I am interested in our history, be it past or present.
When MM said is was not a documentary and more satire and parody, then I decided not to go see it as that type of movie is not to my liking.
I didn't actually notice anyone discussing the actual contents of the movie. If I had, I would not commented on that as I have not seen the movie.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
How convenient.
So why were you asking me all those questions?
EDIT: Question to those who went and saw the movie. Did you go because you truly believed it was a documentary? Or was there other motivation? If so, what was it?
Imagine a world where those who are obediant to tyranny and lies and hate call those whom are not "sheep". No matter how many times the lies are revealed. No matter the cost in lives of those lies and the actions unleashed by them. Those who question are sheep. Those whom obey I suppose are wolves.
The movie is an attack on the Saudis and their surrogate Bush. As I hold the Saudis responsible for the attack on 9/11 I am interested in what information he developed about it.
I didnt like columbine because it was so obviosly not talking about some of the centeral issues relating to crime rates and gun control. Some of those issues I was exposed to on these boards.
Is the movie 100% factual. No. It shows many things that happend but as to why they happend, Moore offers his own insights into that. Without proof for much of it. That doenst strip it of the title "documentary" The world at war series offered many opinions as to why things happend. Its still a documentary last time I checked.
Documentarys can offer opinion. Doccumenaries can be propoganda. This movie both is propoganda and offers opinion.
It is propoganda hostile to the Bush regime and the Saudi goverment. It isnt sneaky about it.
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Pongo, all well and good, but Moore himself has stated the movie is a satire/parody. I am loathe to consider anything in a satire or parody as truth.
In all satire/parody there certainly is an element of truth, but discerning the truth from the satire can be made extremely difficult.
I prefer less bias means to develope an opinion. Thank you for answering though. I appreciate it.
EDIT: I was aware MM had a personal agenda in the movie. He made that pretty clear.
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skuzzy, you are correct that f9/11 is a politcal satire and unquestionably not to everyone's taste...as to who decides on it being classified a 'documentary' is something I don't know.
I actually read the quote you pasted earlier about MM saying it was not a documentary somewhere prior to you posting.
What I took offence to was I was trying to be friendly with you and interested in your opinion...i felt, before your explanation, that you were being derisive. Because of my opinion of this movie I get crap handed to me daily and that makes it easy to 'expect the worse' from some on this bbs.
In conclusion, there is more to me than my political view of this movie, this war, this president. I am not one 'to throw the baby out with the bath water'. The individuals who can get past 'our' difference in prespectives on these few issues are those with whom I will continue to nurture and hopefully forge friendships.
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
Because of my opinion of this movie I get crap handed to me daily and that makes it easy to 'expect the worse' from some on this bbs.
Trust me, that's not the reason. But you know that already.
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xrt, I respect others opinions, even when they are completely opposite of my own.
If you try to curtail my ability to express my opinion, I will not take it lightly. Thus the comment I made.
Everyone forms opinions in thier own time and in thier own manner. Who is to say which way is right or wrong? Or if there is a right or wrong?
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Originally posted by Stringer
Trust me, that's not the reason. But you know that already.
so..explain
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Pongo, all well and good, but Moore himself has stated the movie is a satire/parody. I am loathe to consider anything in a satire or parody as truth.
In all satire/parody there certainly is an element of truth, but discerning the truth from the satire can be made extremely difficult.
I prefer less bias means to develope an opinion. Thank you for answering though. I appreciate it.
EDIT: I was aware MM had a personal agenda in the movie. He made that pretty clear.
Asking the questions you need to ask labels you as biased. Answering those questions labels you as a traitor, coward or sheep. Good luck finding that unbiased opinion. My bet is you will never ask those questions. But thats just my guess. And what does a sheep like me know about anything anyway?
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
so..explain
You claim to be a bright person, it should be self-explanatory, if you take an introspective look.
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not possible for me to know what it is you see when you view me
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You are making a lot of assumptions. Everyone has thier own way Pongo. It would be arrogant to think yours is better than someone else's.
The media is a bias. It cannot help but be bias. I put as much stock into MM's opinions as I would yours or anyone elses.
Some things are publicly available, such as voting records. I consider those a valuable tool in forming an opinion about politicians.
I will not presume to know how you form an opinion, I ask like treatment in return.
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
skuzzy, you are correct that f9/11 is a politcal satire and unquestionably not to everyone's taste...as to who decides on it being classified a 'documentary' is something I don't know.
What it seems to be ... in AHBBville ... is your reason for living. Hell, if you don't start a new Michael Moore thread every other day, it's a miracle. I'm actually surprised you didn't start this one (with a different slant). Which was the whole point about my satirical thread about you and Michael Moore .... which you figured was about trailer parks ... and Habu dove head-first into with his chihuahua theory ... all afoam at the mouth.
(http://jollyrogers.info/CAG44/Habu.jpg)
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arlo...that's not completely fair is it?
in the past couple of days I initiated several different threads...one about 'your fav actor/actress', where I started off with a poster of James Cagney.
Another one was the big news of a $6B merger between our own molson beer co. with your coors. and i can't remember but i think there was a third one too...and they are only in the past 72 hrs.
...i remember..the other one was patti davis re: f9/11, but i still think there was a fourth thread...
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Oh yeah ... you start other bs threads ... but your mainstay is your love affair with Moore. :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
Oh yeah ... you start other bs threads ... but your mainstay is your love affair with Moore. :D
I believe he thinks it irritates some of us.
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I think it merely provided grounds for satire. Satire is great. We should all become satirists. Look what it did for that Moore goob. :D
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
You are making a lot of assumptions. Everyone has thier own way Pongo. It would be arrogant to think yours is better than someone else's.
The media is a bias. It cannot help but be bias. I put as much stock into MM's opinions as I would yours or anyone elses.
Some things are publicly available, such as voting records. I consider those a valuable tool in forming an opinion about politicians.
I will not presume to know how you form an opinion, I ask like treatment in return.
"You may not like him, but you have to accept he does a brilliant job marketing his product. He has the sheep by the nose and they seem happy to comply."
I took that as a statement that you did know how people that have seen 9/11 form thier opinions. Maybe I missunderstood. It would be arrogant of someone to think that all who have seen a movie have some inferior way of forming opinions then your own.
So I must have missunderstood.
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My statement was in regards to people that go to see a satire and take it all as fact. Or chose to use only one man's opinion to substantiate thier own.
If you fit into the above category, then my opinion applies to you.
It is my opinion. It does not have to be yours. You are free to disagree with it as well.
So can we stop the tit-for-tat and move on?
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Sure. I think things are pretty clear.
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Well now let me see,the duely elected president of the united states , elected without bloodshed...is a regime. But the saudi regime is a goverment.LOL pongo ,oh well whats the use.
Cant....I say o chaps cant we all just kill each other and get it over with...then we could live happily ever after.
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"A government in power; administration"
I can see why it would be confusing to you.
Kill yourself. Leave me out of it.
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Originally posted by demaw1
Well now let me see,the duely elected president of the united states , elected without bloodshed...is a regime. But the saudi regime is a goverment.LOL pongo ,oh well whats the use.
Cant....I say o chaps cant we all just kill each other and get it over with...then we could live happily ever after.
You seem to be confused about what he thinks. Why don't you ask for clarification instead of making gross assumptions? Just an observation.
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Pongo re: It is propaganda hostile to the bush regime and saudi goverment
Regime...a political or ruling system usually totalitarian in nature.
Totalitarian...goverment in which one political group maintains complete power,such as under a dictator.
Government...political administration
Administration.the executive officials of a goverment.
SKUZZY...re: confussed,gross assumptions
No skuzzy after finding this area 2 weeks ago,I am not confussed nor do I make gross assumptions about what pongo thinks.Id say anyone that watched pongos writings would 89 percent of the time know his meanings.
Tell me skuzzy unless someone has an agenda[which is fine],would it not have been more appropriate to have said bush administration and saudi regime maybe even more truthful,or do you to believe that bush is a dictator?
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Originally posted by Pongo
Sure. I think things are pretty clear.
"he was pwn3ed, Klem!"
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Thats the power of language. I can use a word and it can say so much about you how you chose to hear it.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
"he was pwn3ed, Klem!"
What did you mean Ripsnort?
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Pongo you are right..but remember.words have a meaning...since when does ripsnort ever know what he means........................ ......lololo.opps
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Ripsnort is the biggest bag licking cheerleader that this board has ever known. Which is fine but I just want him to be clear about it. I dont mind taking him on even as he hides behind skuzzy but its important to me that he be a man and take a stand for something other then voss so we can get to it.
The worst day of his life was when he found out that HT disagreed with him about voss so he had to start re-writting all the noncense he had said there and start denying it.
So skuzzy showing up here gives Rip a great chance to show what a loyal lap dog to authority he is and try to find his way back into HTs good books. If he could get me banned that would be a double bonus.
If hes sure that Skuzzy owned me in this thread I will gladdly break it down for him.
But a guy that thinks that the invasion of Iraq beats out the semi conductor, stairway to heaven, manned flight, man on the moon, the arsenal of democracy, nucleal power, Rock and Roll and the movie Unforgiven as the greatest things that America has given the world, might not understand it no matter how slow I say it for him.
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Skuzzy,
Thanks Bro for passing the word on to 40MAW that I was trying to get ahold of him. Great support...btw can you loan me a puter so I can fly? Times are tough right now for the honest working man.
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Rip, I don't play that game. It was a discussion, nothing more, nothing less. I know there are people that get off on that, but I am not one of them. Jusr FYI.
I think it was a good discussion.
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Originally posted by AWMac
Skuzzy,
Thanks Bro for passing the word on to 40MAW that I was trying to get ahold of him. Great support...btw can you loan me a puter so I can fly? Times are tough right now for the honest working man.
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Mac, if I had one to loan, it would be there.
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Quote:
" And what does a sheep like me know about anything anyway?"
Do tell...........
C.
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I wouldn't doubt it a bit Skuzzy....
Guess I keep on keepin on..... piecing one together. tried rideing the ol lady like I had PMS that didn't work, backfired on me...no I have nuthin to play with...
last but not least my dam MS SidewinderII decides to do the "Break Dance" it's ded now. so much for flying them Janes F16 CDs...I'm on short term disability.. got a buldge disk in neck and a ruptured disk in back... staying home is no fun if'in ya can't fly.
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Mac
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Pongo re: invasion of Irag
I think all the things mentioned are different and have there place and time in the world.To every thing turn turn turn whatever that song was the birds sang.Before your time and I forgot it. I was only joking about ripsnort, so I hope I didnt bring something up I shouldnt have. I have paid very little attention to that thread with what 1400 replies.Sorry if I opened a wound and since I know nothing about it Ill bug out .
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Originally posted by AWMac
I wouldn't doubt it a bit Skuzzy....
Guess I keep on keepin on..... piecing one together. tried rideing the ol lady like I had PMS that didn't work, backfired on me...no I have nuthin to play with...
last but not least my dam MS SidewinderII decides to do the "Break Dance" it's ded now. so much for flying them Janes F16 CDs...I'm on short term disability.. got a buldge disk in neck and a ruptured disk in back... staying home is no fun if'in ya can't fly.
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Mac would you be interested in an MS sidwinder prec pro? Its old and kinda jittery but It might work for you?
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xtoronto... Hve you seen roger or bowling? They were exactly the same style... they were exactly the same hatchet job..... Most of us assumed that 911 would be the same old same old from moore...
Without even making gushing fools of ouselves over 911 we are getting to see it debunked allmost on a daily basis. You will be left with nothing but the anger at America when this is all over.
It is you who made the fool of himself in spite of knowing you were being manipulated by moore. You have only yourself to blame and years to live it down.
As skuzzy says... those who went to see a satire were correct... those who went to see a corrupt administration expossed were sheep.
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I think Moore and Limbaugh are twins separated at birth (yea I know there's an age discrepancy, but hey- they're big boys). Both are wind bags whose education consists mostly of "hooked on phonics." Both make the "parody" excuse when caught knee deep in misrepresentations. Both are extraordinary self-promoters.
I didn't see the movie but have seen numerous stories of the creative editing involved in F911, and Moore's repsonse when confronted with them. Telling half the truth is pretty much lieing I think - or "satire" if done by someone spineless, irresponsible and an avid reader of "Word Power."
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Excellent points, Skuzzy. There is a huge gap between documentary and satire/parody, e.g., National Geographic and Mad comics or Saturday Night Live.
Satire/parody can be fun when presented as humor and not fact as in documentary.
For Moore to win any award called documentary is itself a satire/parody.
After watching Bowling for Columbine, I don't have to see any more Moore meanderings to understand his bias, shallowness, and cheap playing to sentiments of wounded people.
He ought to take every cent of his ill-gotten ambulance chasing gains and donate the money to the grieving people he has exploited.
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For the record,In Bowling,MM went into a Canadian Wally World and bought Ammunition.His point was to be getting ammo was easy.Canadian Wally World has a law involved stating that you must produce ID.So the transaction broke the law or it was staged.MM never commented on it after being asked if he Broke the law or staged it.Read what you will into MM's films,but dont expect to see anything more than some twits desires to make more morons take his point of view.