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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Pongo on July 23, 2004, 04:21:00 PM
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Have to take powered flight. But Ping EYE2 irons are a close second.
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Pongo, you're gonna need a sharper hook (and not the barbless kind).
Your bait is okay, but the fish will shake off the hook pretty quickly.:rolleyes:
RTR
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Breast Implants
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Something to strive for?
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a chance
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Me
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Well, it ain't the Beer, ain't the food, and bloody well is not breast implants.
Hmmm
How about AH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I vote AH
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Michael Moore! It has to be! :D
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The war in Iraq and the war on Terrorism.
USA.
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Originally posted by Angus
Well, it ain't the Beer, ain't the food, and bloody well is not breast implants.
Hmmm
How about AH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I vote AH
Ok,..wait just a darn minute. We have the best BBQ in the world here. I'll stack the flavor of a barbequed center cut against any other meat in the world.
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BBQing a center cut????? Heretic!
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Hehe, Arlo, you coming to the CON?
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Well .... turns out no. I'll only be there in spirits .... errr .... spirit. :(
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We only nuked the rest of the world twice.
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Hope (no, not just Bob)
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
We only nuked the rest of the world twice.
Bikini atoll is in the rest of the world last time I checked.
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Television followed by the Internet, then lightbulbs, then motion pictures.
1. Television, because it exposes us to more culture then we think it does. Despite the hundreds of hours of 'Joe Schmo', 'The Bachelor' and all the other crap, today's generation knows more about other countries because of TV then the kids 100 years ago.
2. The Internet, because the speech becomes two way and we can get stories from places that were silent and learn things that have been locked in libraries from the convenience of our homes (or offices).
3. Lightbulbs because life doesn't stop at sundown anymore. We can save lives in surgery, read books at bed time, and secure our houses from the cowards that creep in darkness.
4. Motion pictures because without them, pornography would be boring.
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Originally posted by Gman
The war in Iraq and the war on Terrorism.
USA.
and thats saying alot..cause I know theres lots of US hardware your pretty partial too.
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The American Dream.
Protecting the world, western Europe in particular, from post WW2 communist tyrany.
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Well whatever good we've done we almost blew it all when we invented that gawdawful american cheese!
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Paris Hilton!
J/k
Dave Letterman!
J/k again :D
A place for those who wanted to start all over again to do so and with great success in many cases. :)
Ultimatly those who left to start again in America also helped thier old countries when in trouble. Kinda like a kid who left home only to ultimatly help his parents through hardships :)
music
movies
place to seek help
uniting nation
freedom
security
scary moments
place to trade with
friendship
so many things not all good but its hard to think of a world without america
almost forgot:
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Well whatever good we've done we almost blew it all when we invented that gawdawful american cheese!
Its not cheese. Its a proccesesd cheeez food. :D
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Ray Charles
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David Hasslehoff...
Now please stop returning him to the US...
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I watched another documentry the other day.
It was about the US national spelling bee.
And they had this east indian guy in california that was totaly drilling his son to win. Hired a coach and turoring in each language that the base words might be from.But one thing he said that interested me as he was walking down the street was that his hard work had built this house and him and his brother had built that house..just with hard work. He said America is a place where with just hard work you are guerrenteed success. Guerrenteed(I think he did say it twice, and Im sure he would have spelt it right.) Most of the world isnt like that he said.
Really stood out to me. Canada is the same of course but we do take it for granted. I dont think there is another person in the world that loves the US more than that guy though.
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Pepsi! :D
dago
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Velvet Elvis paintings.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Velvet Elvis paintings.
That's Mexico's contribution to the world.
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Originally posted by Arlo
That's Mexico's contribution to the world.
far behind tequila!
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Originally posted by Arlo
That's Mexico's contribution to the world.
No, they were just the contractors for the project. They have much more sense than to hang Elvis in rhinestones in their haciendas. :D
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Originally posted by Gman
The war in Iraq and the war on Terrorism.
USA.
Ditto on Gman's comment.
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MT was on the right track with his first reply.
To expound on it a little, I believe that the most important thing that the U.S. has given the world is an "example."
We have shown the world that a bunch of ordinary people can do a pretty good job of electing capable leaders and achieving noble aspirations. The democratic republic established in 1787 has proven to be vastly superior to any despotic system established in the past or now extant.
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The Blues
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Originally posted by Pongo
I watched another documentry the other day.
It was about the US national spelling bee.
And they had this east indian guy in california that was totaly drilling his son to win. Hired a coach and turoring in each language that the base words might be from.But one thing he said that interested me as he was walking down the street was that his hard work had built this house and him and his brother had built that house..just with hard work. He said America is a place where with just hard work you are guerrenteed success. Guerrenteed(I think he did say it twice, and Im sure he would have spelt it right.) Most of the world isnt like that he said.
Really stood out to me. Canada is the same of course but we do take it for granted. I dont think there is another person in the world that loves the US more than that guy though.
I thought you might be trolling so I wasn't going to respond. Are you feeling well? when's the due date? This post has caused me to re-examine my opinion of you (not that I think you care) My love for my adoptive homeland is as great as any person's. I love the United States of America and the ideal it represents. Canada and Australia would be good other choices as well but I live here.
Thanks for this thread.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Television followed by the Internet, then lightbulbs, then motion pictures.
1. Television, because it exposes us to more culture then we think it does. Despite the hundreds of hours of 'Joe Schmo', 'The Bachelor' and all the other crap, today's generation knows more about other countries because of TV then the kids 100 years ago.
3. Lightbulbs because life doesn't stop at sundown anymore. We can save lives in surgery, read books at bed time, and secure our houses from the cowards that creep in darkness.
America didn't invent television or light bulbs though..
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Ok,..wait just a darn minute. We have the best BBQ in the world here. I'll stack the flavor of a barbequed center cut against any other meat in the world.
I think there are any number of Aussies (and South Africans for that matter) who would want to disagree with you on that :)
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Yeah, let's lay claim to who trew chunks of meat on a fire to get rid of the maggots.
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It can be confusing Storch. I dont blame you. But keep your eye on the ball. Im a big US fan. Believe it.
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Sheesh, that's easy..
(http://mirrorimageorigin.collegepublisher.com/media/paper538/stills/13p9ve52.jpg)
Next question?
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Originally posted by Lizking
Yeah, let's lay claim to who trew chunks of meat on a fire to get rid of the maggots.
If that's your idea of what a BBQ is they'd be burning you at the stake (after the appropriate marinade time of course) down here in Sydney.
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Not a current BBQ, but that is the basis of them all and it happend a long, long time ago. Now if you want to talk about the BEST BBQ, then you will have to come to my house and prove it. I have the equipment and the beer, you bring the beef.
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(http://www.odekake.us/PICs/playboy.jpg)
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(http://www.bikemenu.com/photos/indian/Bugs%20Bunny.jpg)
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Originally posted by Pongo
"...But Ping EYE2 irons are a close second."
lol, a few months ago I was a complete junkie and just an hour ago I got back from playin' 18 holes with the vice president of Canada's largest bank. Life is fricken funny.
Ping clubs... yes I would have to agree. Way up there.
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Coming in a close second to my first statement that America's greatest gift to the world as it's "example" of how to establish democratic government would have to be the following:
Mel Blanc
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Originally posted by Pei
If that's your idea of what a BBQ is they'd be burning you at the stake (after the appropriate marinade time of course) down here in Sydney.
We may have not invented it, but we bloody rule when it comes to a barbie mate
Aussi aussi aussi oi oi oi! :D
The USA gave the world:
Starwars (ep IV-VI)
Futurama
Seinfeld
Tom Hanks
Maroon 5
1965 Ford Mustang
Red Hot Chilli Peppers
Tronsky
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I'm with MT.
Daniel
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Hollywood
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Big Mac !
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Originally posted by -tronski-
The USA gave the world:
1965 Ford Mustang[/i]
Tronsky
That`s one I could have done without.
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Hey! Don't go all "Chevy" on us. Besides ... we drove it on the moon, afterall.
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Originally posted by banana
[B
Next question? [/B]
Are you gay?
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Television followed by the Internet, then lightbulbs, then motion pictures.
Television was invented by a Russian. Check for "Zvorykin" in your books.
Lightbulbs - indeed invented by Edison. Electric lighting was invented by (surprise!) a Russian. Check for "Yablochkov" and his electric candles.
As for America - I'll say blues music (George Gershwin) and a machine gun. Sorry, Hiram Maxim invented a lightbulb and a flying machine too... :aok
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The Gong Show.
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The first light bulb:
In 1860, an English physicist and electrician, Sir Joseph Wilson Swan, produced his first experimental light bulb using carbonized paper as a filament. Unfortunately, Swan didn't have a strong enough vacuum or sufficiently powerful batteries and his prototype didn't achieve complete incandescence, so he turned his attentions to other pursuits.
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Fifteen years later, in 1875, Swan returned to consider the problem of the light bulb and, with the aid of a better vacuum and a carbonized thread as a filament (the same material Edison eventually decided upon), he successfully demonstrated a true incandescent bulb in 1878 (a year earlier than Edison). Furthermore, in 1880, Swan gave the world's first large-scale public exhibition of electric lamps at Newcastle, England.
And TV was not invented by a Russian. Television was the result of many different inventers over a period of about 35 years. I didn't feel like googleing it, but I think a German made the first practicle television system.
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The United States Dollar.
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Originally posted by NUKE
And TV was not invented by a Russian. Television was the result of many different inventers over a period of about 35 years. I didn't feel like googleing it, but I think a German made the first practicle television system.
LOL you indeed took me seriously :)
Television, or a scanning line was invented by a Russian, Vladimir Kuzmich Zvorykin.
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come on now......tv invented by many different inventors over a period of time?
Why...that's just crazy talk!
TV was invented by Al Gore, as we all should know. Al Gore also invented the United States, the internet, 4 tined forks, potatoes,
spelling bees, honey bees, webonics, condoms, moon walks (both kinds), ding dongs and twinkies, and so many other useful things that I could go on and on and on........and on.
So, the answer to the question: "what did the US give us"?
Why, the answer is very clear: AL GORE!
He is a pillar of humanity and without him we would all be living in the dark ages. It may interest you to know, that there really was a King Arthur as well. He was a direct descendant of....you guessed it......AL GORE!
So in a way, he even invented Britain.
Humour! It's what's for breakfast!
;)
RTR
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Leadership by example.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Leadership by example.
Novgorod was a democratic republic 1000 years before the US. And they invented leadership - they invirted a prince to govern them, or, more likely, to lead their military efforts.
Edit: :D :D :D
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http://www.time.com/time/time100/scientist/profile/farnsworth.html
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A place for all the hot foreign chicks to congregate.:aok
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"What is the greatest thing that America has given the world."
That's an easy one:
Internet porn and a high speed method (cable/DSL) to download it.
God bless America!
Nearly brings tears to my eyes I am so proud :D
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Leadership by example.
Lol.
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Boroda,
Just remember, everything COMRADE COMMISSAR told you is not neccessarily the truth.
:eek:
Crumpp
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I think the greatest thing the USA has given the world is tobacco.
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I think it was birth control! Too bad it came too late for some...
:(
Crumpp
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Rtr thanks for making me laugh
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Corndogs
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Television followed by the Internet, then lightbulbs, then motion pictures.
TV is one of the most hotly disputed inventions ever. Afaik there is a Scotsman, Englishman, Frenchman, Russian and Yank all having some sort of claim to it.
A Scotsman was also involved in the invention of the internet. I think he was a teacher working in the USA.
Other famous Scottish inventions/inventors:
Telephone - Alexander Graham Bell
Anaesthetics - James Young Simpson
Radar - Sir R A Watson-Watt
Steam Engine - James Watt
Penicillin - Sir Alexander Flemming
Pneumatic Tyre - John Boyd Dunlop
For a small country (5 mil) we have done our bit for the world ;)
As for the USA, I agree with whoever said AH :D
Glas
JG13 Lokis Kinder
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Our Bill of Rights.
Until it was written most countries had no guarantees of press, assembly, or religious freedom. Even 'enlightened' countries could put people in jail with no due course, could arrest people at will on 'suspicion' and could effectively imprison someone for thoughts that were dangerous to the state.
Our Bill of Rights put in writing, and have been backed up (although some of them took a long damned time) our basic human rights to assemble as we please, worship as we wish, say (politically) what we think and go where we want to go. It's not carte blanche but it works pretty well.
It's not our constitution that has made us successful, you could plug in any of the government forms used by almost any other country and it would probably have worked just fine here. What made us outstanding, and for sure was looked upon by every enlightened person in Europe and America, was our guarantee of the rights of the citizens to reasonably do what they wanted to do without fear of the government punishing them. You have to remember, in 1790, there weren't too many countries where you could do that.
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Even 'enlightened' countries could put people in jail with no due course, could arrest people at will on 'suspicion' and could effectively imprison someone for thoughts that were dangerous to the state.
Heh sounds like Guantanamo. When are you going to put those guys to court ?
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Originally posted by Staga
Heh sounds like Guantanamo. When are you going to put those guys to court ?
what is that supposed to mean? After we find them guilty shall we deport them to finland? Our laws apply only to our citizens. perhaps we should judge muslim criminals by their own laws and administer their own punishment.
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There's also different international laws but your country has never been much interested about obeying them.
Talking about bill of rights when thread's title is "What is the greatest thing that America has given the world" is kinda amusing, especially when it looks like american laws do not apply if the person in question is from abroad.
Our laws apply only to our citizens
So if I come to USA and get caught about speeding thru some smalltown USA at 120mph who's laws are you going to use, US or Finnish ?
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So if I come to USA and get caught about speeding thru some smalltown USA at 120mph who's laws are you going to use, US or Finnish ?
US Laws buddy. Just like Finland uses Finnish laws with foreign nationals.
What do you think Finland would say??
"Oh he's from Sudan, Everyone rapes and murders there...It's their culture"
Crumpp
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btw personally I'd say greatest thing America has given was their sacrifices in ww2 but then again russians did even worse in that area.
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I'm not getting any more into this.
Your hatred of the US shows more and more. You people couldn't possibly acknowlege one damned good thing about this country without making some stupid barb. Your right, we suck. We rape pilliage and destroy. Our system hasn't brought a damned bit of good to this world. I am absolutely sure that we are the source of world evil. I mean, the fact that we can have a web boards in this country where all you people can come and tell us how much we suck just emphasises how much we suck. Cripes, I can bet that such freedom loving countries as Iraq and Iran would love to host this board once the evil US shuts it down.
BTW, there is no such thing as 'international law'. It's a nice little catch phrase. There is no world governing body so how can there be 'international law'. Some of you people may wish the UN was it but I am sure that will change once the UN comes after you. Sorry, I don't wan't my national policy decisions made by people that hate me.
Maybe the US will start allowing US citizens to be prosecuted by world courts when the UN stops allowing those great respectors of human rights-syria and libya (I left the caps out intentionally) aren't allowed on the human rights commissions there.
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That is incorrect. US law apply to anyone within US legal jurisdiction regardless of nationality ... which is why it is so practical having a nice little Gestapo camp like Guantanamo in Cuba, outside US legal jurisdiction.
Every country use's it's own laws in it's own sovereign territory. Every Country goes against something the "International" court rules is wrong. Let's talk about whaling in Norway....
http://www.greenpeace.se/norway/english/9camp/4whales/wha_bak.htm
http://greennature.com/article619.html
Your wrong. Guantanamo is considered US Soil, just like an embassy or other Military Base. All US laws apply.
The reason the PUC's (person under control) are not in the legal status of prisoner's of war is that would legitimize AQ as a legal combatant. They are not. They are criminals who operate outside the law.
US law is in uncharted territory with the camps. It has taken a long time for the legal system to decide:
WHO should try them - Military, civilian, or International courts?
Where those trials should be conducted?
There has been lots of firsts in the Gitmo situation. You can thanks the Lawyers for big delay between capture and trail. In the future it will not be so long now that those questions have worked their way the US legal system and the trials are underway.
Crumpp
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Originally posted by Glas
TV is one of the most hotly disputed inventions ever. Afaik there is a Scotsman, Englishman, Frenchman, Russian and Yank all having some sort of claim to it.
Other famous Scottish inventions/inventors:
if its not Scottish, its craaaap ! :)
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Originally posted by Staga
There's also different international laws but your country has never been much interested about obeying them.
Talking about bill of rights when thread's title is "What is the greatest thing that America has given the world" is kinda amusing, especially when it looks like american laws do not apply if the person in question is from abroad.
So if I come to USA and get caught about speeding thru some smalltown USA at 120mph who's laws are you going to use, US or Finnish ?
I'm not going to cheapen this thread by trolling your troll. However your example is not very well thought out. Read what you wrote. Perhaps something is lost in the translation. You as foreignor have no guarantees of rights in America. If while visiting our Great and generous country you break our laws and are caught you will be tried, convicted, sentenced and executed by our laws. If, as in your example you bear arms against the United States and are captured you will be tried by a Military tribunal whereupon you will be convicted, sentenced and executed. I hope that clears it up somewhat.
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Wklink
nice hit, easy cleared the center field fence.
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Norway has been an active member of the IWC ever since the organization was established in 1946."
Yeah they just violate it when they choose and then make excuses. Just like your doing.
So take your high horse and shove it.
You really need to study what is going in on alittle bit more. From the day the first Prisoner showed up in Gitmo US lawyers started filing suits to answer the questions I posed earlier.
Some just want the fame and reputation enhancement winning will get them whether they are for the prosecution or the defense.
Crumpp
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BTW
It is just as correct as your assumption about Gitmo.
Crumpp
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Velvet Elvis paintings.
Hey i got one of them !!!! wanted one for ever just couldnt find one then one day i was at a party store where i always stopped and the owner (arab dude) says hey you like Elvis ? I was like ya sure, then he asks if i want a Elvis picture and whips out a Velvet Elvis
Man was i happy as a pig in sheeot:aok
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Originally posted by Kadesh
Lol.
You disagree?
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Originally posted by Staga
btw personally I'd say greatest thing America has given was their sacrifices in ww2 but then again russians did even worse in that area.
The Russians didn't make sacrifices for some nobel cause or to help anyone out...they were fighting for their survival, plain and simple.
They allied themselves with the Nazis and paid the price for trustng them. The Russians were no friend of the west and they proved that even before the war was over.
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When someone just responds 'LOL' to a post they disagree with, all it means is that they don't know how to say why they disagree. Either they can't think of evidence, or they just 'feel' they disagree with it. They'll usually try, when you confront them on it, to say that they thought the ridiculousness of the parent message was so obvious, all they had to do was laugh derisively. They may also say that they consider arguing pointless because of their audience, but this of course fails to explain why they laughed in the first place.
All in all, a single like 'LOL' response is the hallmark of what scientists have classified as a 'handsomehunk'.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
When someone just responds 'LOL' to a post they disagree with, all it means is that they don't know how to say why they disagree. Either they can't think of evidence, or they just 'feel' they disagree with it. They'll usually try, when you confront them on it, to say that they thought the ridiculousness of the parent message was so obvious, all they had to do was laugh derisively. They may also say that they consider arguing pointless because of their audience, but this of course fails to explain why they laughed in the first place.
All in all, a single like 'LOL' response is the hallmark of what scientists have classified as a 'handsomehunk'.
LOL ... errrr ... I mean ... yeah! :D
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Originally posted by Chairboy
When someone just responds 'LOL' to a post they disagree with, all it means is that they don't know how to say why they disagree. Either they can't think of evidence, or they just 'feel' they disagree with it. They'll usually try, when you confront them on it, to say that they thought the ridiculousness of the parent message was so obvious, all they had to do was laugh derisively. They may also say that they consider arguing pointless because of their audience, but this of course fails to explain why they laughed in the first place.
All in all, a single like 'LOL' response is the hallmark of what scientists have classified as a 'handsomehunk'.
LOL!
(couldnt help it) :D
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Nice point Crump
Those that ride the high horse tend to get hit with the most branches.
I think Norway has made significant contributions to the world. So have most countries in Europe and Asia, even those that I don't politically agree with. Heck I could say something positive about many countries in the middle east. If this was a 'greatest thing Britain/France/China gave to the world' thread I could easily come up with a half a dozen things for all of them.
I certainly wouldn't take the time to pick jabs at them. Who said anyplace was perfect. I do bristle at the Nazi references. If we had the 'gestapo' in place to you honestly think half of our American posters would still be here. The fact that people can post on a board like this without fear of the political police taking them in for re-education should be proof enough that there is no 'Gestapo' here. Comments like that really set me on my ear. It's an insult to the thousands of political dissidents that died under Nazi rule. They deserve better than to be diminished in that manner.
I guess that is taking the high road. Fewer branches there.
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the potato
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Originally posted by -dead-
the potato
I thought the potato originated in South America?
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Freedom Fries!
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Originally posted by Maniac
Freedom Fries!
almost as good as "courrier electronique"
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Wklink I'd say it's time for you to get off from that horse; There's still 600 detainees at Guantamo Concentration Camp (Don't like the name? Tough) who has been there for over 2 years basically without any rights.
What do you call a country who puts people in camps and is not offering them a change to defend themself in a court?
For me it sounds more like a third world country and not a civilized country you'd like it to be.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
I thought the potato originated in South America?
Thread title just said America, not which part. ;)
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Originally posted by -dead-
Thread title just said America, not which part. ;)
Ah, then I change my answer to Brazillian females between the ages of 18 and 25.
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United Empire Loyalists. :D
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Originally posted by Staga
Wklink I'd say it's time for you to get off from that horse; There's still 600 detainees at Guantamo Concentration Camp (Don't like the name? Tough) who has been there for over 2 years basically without any rights.
What do you call a country who puts people in camps and is not offering them a change to defend themself in a court?
For me it sounds more like a third world country and not a civilized country you'd like it to be.
Who said anywhere that I think that is right? To be honest I think they all should be seen and evaluated by an international court to determine whether they need to be detained or released. Hundreds have been released. I think the US is playing it very close (and probably over in some cases) with the Geneva Convention. On the other hand, the Geneva Convention was never made for a 'war' like this. It needs to be revisited and re-evaluated for these shadow wars.
Third world country indeed. Just because we don't conduct ourselves in your views means we are a 'third world' country. I'm not getting any more into this. I do honestly feel that much of this is jealousy. It is much easier to point out our warts, we are out there and visible. Everything we do has an impact so it is easy to see, notice and complain about. But when a natural disaster occurs, or a humanitarian crisis breaks out the first thing asked is 'What is America going to do about it'. If we do nothing, which it seems a lot of folks here wish we would do, then we get slammed for not caring. If we do go in, then we get dissed for not doing enough, or not doing it the 'right' way; or should I say the way some pointy head sitting in a plush leather chair thinks we should do it.
I have been on the ground in these conflicts. I have seen the results of our actions. Sure we aren't perfect but who else is going to contribute the large sums of money that we do to help the UN sanctioned and the non sanctioned things that we do to help folks around the world. The UN talks and talks about it. The do-nothing. Rwanda is a perfect example. Current events are proving this again with another human catastrophe. The UN is nothing more than a modern League of Nations, gutless, powerless and full of it's own supposed self importance. Let it fully investigate its oil for food program and come up with some 'world court' indictments then maybe it can talk to us about our moral compass.
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the same thing canada has. warriors in harms way in defense of our friends.
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Staga re: 600 detainies, civilized country,high horse,concentration camp;
Wklink was not on a high horse,but even if he was , much American blood has been spent for his right to be.
6oo detaines kept for 2 years, big deal.This is a new kind of war it will take time to figure out where these cowards fit in war.If it pleases europe we would like to figure out if these people are a danger to the U.S. If it doesnt please you tough. If norway was at war she would act no different than we have concerning the detaines.Our process has started.
Tell us, if you call gitmo a concentration camp what do you call all those camps europe made famous the last 100 years? If you have the guts tell us what word.
Had a neighbor once who has since pasted away, had a tatoo of numbers on his arm. wonder If you would have the gaul to face his granddaughter and call gitmo a concentration camp.
Civilized country, This from a european? Must have forgotten that europe gave the world nazism,communism,fascistism...REAL concentration camps from france to russia . the same europe that is taking itself back to becoming the 1st empire again...
I believe you are young with maybe a small excuse for some of what you say because of the revisionist history europe teaches now..but if you are 50 or older there is no excuse for what you say.
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anyone calling gitmo a concentration camp has his head up his butt or a hard on for the usa bigger than ron jeremy at a virgins only sleepover in sweden.
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Concetration camp is not the same thing as extermination camp.
Noun 1. concentration camp - a penal camp where political prisoners or prisoners of war are confined (usually under harsh conditions)
Synonyms: stockade
2. concentration camp - a situation characterized by crowding and extremely harsh conditions
So if Guantanamo isn't a concentration camp then what is it?
A holiday in the sun ?
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Anonymous and Demaw; maybe you should read This article (http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/extermination%20camp) so you could make the difference between concentration- and extermination camps.
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Staga reply
Staga I did look and read it. I think you should read it a little closer. It said in all these camps ,starvation,disease,exhaustion led to many deaths,the extermanation camps were for death.
Most of us are not stupid,when the word concentration camp is used the first thing that comes to mind is the legacy europe left the world.What ever camp name you use death was the norm.
Now at gitmo I have seen any hungry people as a matter of fact many of our boots on the ground have complianed about how well they eat while our people eat packaged food, they get medical,dental and religious consederation.
That is what is wrong with europe ,cant judge,well we cant say anything about the terriost cutting peoples heads off because we sometimes excute people to.....europe has no maral compass and you are a product of it.
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Originally posted by Staga
Anonymous and Demaw; maybe you should read This article (http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/extermination%20camp) so you could make the difference between concentration- and extermination camps.
ive been there. crowded? theyve got individual cells most of the time because allowing them three on one with a guard would probably give you a dead guard. were talking about the worst cases here. and there have been plenty of them released back home. most had no complaints about treatment and the ones that claimed massive beatings had "invisible bruises". use some common sense. if we were really going to work them over we sure has hell wouldnt publicize where they were being kept and we wouldnt release anyone. they get good food and first rate medical care. and if they get pressured to answer questions so be it. it could be alot worse and they know it. more than one time some low level piece of trash there has tried to pass himself of as "the other osama" so hed be kept there instead of being turned over to someone else. tell you what ghandi. ill take gitmo and you take a soviet mineral mining "camp" in the eighties. i promise ill be gentle with your wife after you are dead and gone.
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Originally posted by Staga
Concetration camp is not the same thing as extermination camp.
Noun 1. concentration camp - a penal camp where political prisoners or prisoners of war are confined (usually under harsh conditions)
Synonyms: stockade
2. concentration camp - a situation characterized by crowding and extremely harsh conditions
So if Guantanamo isn't a concentration camp then what is it?
A holiday in the sun ?
it might be harsh if you went there for a speeding ticket or being a blind numbskull of a usa hater on internet bbs. but thats not why they are there. how do you think the world works? some e-4 in afghanistan or africa says "i really dont like that guys face lets send him to gitmo!"? are you one of those guys that thinks most people on death row were innocent victims of circumstance? and if it is a concentration camp the story would have been blown long ago in spectacular fashion. theres more than just americans working down there. so if there is some big fourth reich conspiracy theres ten nations or more in on it and youd better stop making waves before they come take you away in the dark. "first they came for the internet bbs idiots and i said nothing because i was just an american hater-"
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anonymous....just a reply
Id swear I read in the register about 2 weeks ago they have tracted some of those they released and they went right back to the terriost. Did u hear anything like that?
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Originally posted by demaw1
anonymous....just a reply
Id swear I read in the register about 2 weeks ago they have tracted some of those they released and they went right back to the terriost. Did u hear anything like that?
no but im way out of the loop. retired military for over a year now so its been some time since ive been there and i wasnt interrogator oops i meant ruthless facist gestapo kidney beater. but common sense to me is if they released and went right back to doing actual real terrorist stuff then they were released to be followed. you dont fool the guys in gitmo by saying your truck blew a tire in the shahi khot while you were moving your cousins ak and rpg collection so he could sell it on ebay. :)
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Originally posted by GScholz
Nope. Show me one IWC ruling against Norway that hasn't been complied with or refuted and subsequently won by Norway. You can't, and we don't have a veto to hide behind either.
I don't have to assume anything. The US Supreme Court already ruled the last two years of detentions illegal, and that the prisoners are in US legal jurisdiction despite being held at the "loophole" base on Cuba where Cuba holds ultimate sovereignty according to its lease of Guantanamo Bay to the US.
Guantanamo has been a legal loophole since the base was established, and the US government and armed forces has pretty much enjoyed Carte Blanc authority there. Which is why they built a detention centre there, to take advantage of the loophole and all the benefits of interrogation and indefinite incarceration that it allows.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3867067.stm
You can either call them soldiers and give them POW status ... or call them criminals and try them in a civilian court like you did with McVeigh, Manson, the WTC bombers and all other pre-9/11 terrorists in your jurisdiction. Of course you can also do neither and keep on doing what you have been doing, but don't expect anyone to believe you when you claim to be a benevolent nation that hold and protect high ideals like freedom and justice for all.
how about we find them guilty of fighting for nation that us at war with while wearing civilian clothing and shoot them? or how about we turn them back to their nation with sincere "wed really like to know what this guy was doing between -95 and -02 oh by the way did i mention the x million in food and meds is up for a vote in three months?". you are intentionally ignoring the realities of the situation. spare me the moral superiority you claim. if we werent so fediddlein humane we could easily get more information ten times as fast and gurantee the dirtbags were never heard from again and other nations would do the dirty work for us. i thought you used to be a soldier. arguing to give these guys pow status is an insult to soldiers.
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Originally posted by GScholz
I have no problem with you shooting them as spies if that is what they were. Nor do I have a problem with you repatriating them to whatever fate they get there. I don't even have a problem with you keeping them prisoner without law or charge and doing your "long term interrogation" experiments on them ... but if you do I'll think less of you. It's as simple as that.
Well cry me a river. They should have been executed on the battlefield. Hopefully they still will be once we're done getting intel out of them.
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Did you read my original post? I said we held them for so long because we don't know what do to with them legally! It was working it's way through the LEGAL system. Your blind hatred of the US caused you to post THE EXACT thing I said!!!! MY GOD! The US legal system was working out HOW we are going to deal with these folks. In the end they haven't come up with the good answer many thought they would. So the military is trying them through special tribunals.
All in All MUCH more fair than they would get from any other country. I highly doubt Norway would do a better job.
Go ahead and tell them what you really Think you gutless jerk..
Should I repost your US IS CRIMINAL rant?
Crumpp
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Originally posted by Udie
Well cry me a river. They should have been executed on the battlefield. Hopefully they still will be once we're done getting intel out of them.
The thread was about the greatest things that America has given the world.
All countries unfortunalty have Udies. the best we can do is to keep them sedated or put them out of their misery.
I dont hold it against the US at all.
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Originally posted by GScholz
I have no problem with you shooting them as spies if that is what they were. Nor do I have a problem with you repatriating them to whatever fate they get there. I don't even have a problem with you keeping them prisoner without law or charge and doing your "long term interrogation" experiments on them ... but if you do I'll think less of you. It's as simple as that.
ok you tell me. capture a guy who goes down wounded defending taliban division hq. hes from chechnya. hes wearing north face shell and pants and hitek boots not more than six months old. top shelf mountaineering gear. packing an m4 stolen from us somewhere in middle east in past three years. russians have a file on him a mile long. former chechen military. you think hes a pow? never enlisted in afghan army under taliban. not conscripted. a mercenary at best a terrorist to anyone but the blind. and you say youll think less of the nation that doesnt give him same rights as uniformed soldier or put him through legal system like a bank robber? how about the afghan fighting for muj warlord who is self described on tv as being enemy of "the great satan" and fiercely loyal to taliban and bin laden but in combat he wears the same clothes as any afghan on walking to market. only difference is rpd and a bandoleer full of ammo. are you telling me humane thing to do is turn him over to afghanis? hed be ant food in twelve hours even if he was just a rifle packer caught in events beyond his control. they are in gray area not covered by geneva convention and you expect us to err on side of "being nice". being honorable and being a sucker are not the same thing. you may think you know how your govt and military would respond to situation i dont think you know. ive worked with some of your guys and if they found one of their boys skinned alive at the camp of a bunch of "innocent chechen mountain climber tourists who happen to pack top flight comms gear and military weaponry" theyd never make it back into the light of the real world. and being a realist i wouldnt think less of them. if you live and fight in a big gray area dont expect to be shuffled of to the light when you wind up on the losing side. how about we call them spies and were just being nice and not shooting them?
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Originally posted by GScholz
It would be nice if you put some paragraphs in that text. Makes it a lot easier to read.
The Geneva Convention has been discussed a lot on this bbs, and I get tiered of quoting it. You do not need to have a uniform to be protected by the GC. You do not have to be part of a government army to be protected by the GC. Mercenaries, partisans, guerrillas and even civilians who take up arms against an invading army are legal combatants under the GC.
I have no illusions about the character of the men you have in custody. I do however prefer that you behave like the good guys you claim to be no matter how tempting or "poetically justified" it may be to treat them the way they deserve. If you claim to uphold the ideals of law and justice for all, then you must heed those ideals no matter how vile and despicable your enemy may be. You have your own laws and you have agreed to abide by the GC. You can ignore your own laws and break your international agreements if you like, no one can stop you, but we will think less of you.
they are not mercs or partisan or guerilla or civilian taking up arms. no different if basque separtist pay off govt of iran to allow them to run training and basing facil in iran. if someone come after them there they are not defending iran from aggression they are defending themselves from being killed or captured nothing else. treating them as they deserve would entail what i mention before. turning them over to one of many allies who would peel them like onion until they talked and sending them on their way with .45 rear aspect lobotomy. you are equating being held for questioning with mistreatment and they are not the same. you also ignore all facts that point away from your "unbiased judgement". many have been released in good health no mistreatment to go home and live in peace. it is situation that is not fully addressed by gc has never been encountered before and no one has exact idea how to resolve it but you find enough evidence to condemn us govt as criminal. do you deny the fact that if us not concerned with proper treatment of prisoners that ct work would be much easier to conduct? explain for me again exactly how you clearly see that chechen fighting in afghanistan against us instead of shaking down afghani civilian is somehow protected by gc? its like saying a bandit camp of arabs in poland is protected by gc because they happen to be in poland when they are captured.
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Now at gitmo I have seen any hungry people as a matter of fact many of our boots on the ground have complianed about how well they eat while our people eat packaged food, they get medical,dental and religious consederation.
Haha!
The prisoners only get MRE´s, 11 year old ones too...
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Originally posted by Maniac
Haha!
The prisoners only get MRE´s, 11 year old ones too...
Detainees receive three culturally appropriate meals a day, one of which is an MRE (Meal, Ready to Eat). To guard against detainees fashioning "make-shift" weapons, special procedures have been put in place. Special arrangements were made with the MRE manufacturer to ensure that these MRE's would have neither cardboard packaging, heating units, accessory pack, nor candy. In addition, Military Police personnel are tasked with sanitizing each MRE, and removing toilet paper, the plastic wrapper off the spoon, a bag of spiced cider, and any additional material deemed to pose a potential threat. This includes salt, with each detainee allowed only one salt. Material given to each detainee for meals in his cell is accounted for once the meal is finished.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/guantanamo-bay_delta.htm
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cheap V8's... Harleys... John Browning. A bunch of other stuff that makes those things work. And.... A place to enjoy em.
lazs
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Originally posted by Maniac
Haha!
The prisoners only get MRE´s, 11 year old ones too...
the one youre talking about stayed in a nice furnished house with another kid and watched disney flicks and received tutoring equivalent to us schooling for his age in between far less frequent discussions about who put him in the hills of afghanistan with an ak47.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Corndogs
Ooh, yeah.... that is a good choice. I could go for one right now.
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Scholz re: respect
Our system worked, what part of " worked" dont you understand? What did it take to long? ok how many Americans should be shot for that?
These cowards where given more and treated better than some middle class people in europe. They had better dental than i do.
I tell you this If you are so blind that you think gitmo is same as concentration camp Then I as 1 American dont want or need your respect.
Still cant get over how many europeans say the things they do after europes history. Even now europe is going back to the 1st empire days and you think all is going to be hunky dorey.And lol you all are following france and germany talk about stupid.
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The Geneva Convention has been discussed a lot on this bbs, and I get tiered of quoting it. You do not need to have a uniform to be protected by the GC. You do not have to be part of a government army to be protected by the GC. Mercenaries, partisans, guerrillas and even civilians who take up arms against an invading army are legal combatants under the GC.
Totally false statement. "Unconventional" combatants are only covered by the Geneva Convention IF they declare themselves by anouncing their intention to fight to the offending goverment AND are wearing some sort of uniform which they have disclosed. It could be as simply as the same colored bandana wrapped around their arm. It has to be something recognizable ,distinct, AND declared.
Crumpp
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scholz...just a reply
Yes I do , 1 and 1/2 hr talk by Englund on subject ,also am reading about it now....do you even know what the first empire was?
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Crumpp....just a reply
Scholz is right on his last post to you,but dont read it to fast as gitmo happened because we were invaded by non military insurgents not the other way around. they are not covered by g.c.
Scholz. give me a break, if you dont understand ask me and I will try to clear it up . It is clear to me. How about answering me with out looking at google,do you know what the 1st empire is.If you dont than you cant honestly say I dont know what I am talking about . also nothing wrong with not knowing. Can you prove to me you all are not following france and germany?
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Pssst....
GScholtz is from Norway and that country is not a part of EU...
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Staga...lol duh really....Does that mean he cant answer some of the questions weve been talking about,besides he is a heck of a lot closer than I am.
Also scholz I would really be interested in your answer to my question....our system worked...what part of worked dont you understand?
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Nope, civilians can take up arms against an invading army and be protected by the GC.
No they can't. They are not LEGAL combatants. Picking up arms places them in a Combatant status BUT does NOT afford them special protection as a soldier under the Geneva Convention.
Now they can declare they are "such and Such" Militia AND declare their uniform. They have to be in UNIFORM before, during and after any combat occurs to be considered LEGAL combatants and entitled to POW status. Again that uniform can be as simple as an armband, as long as it is visible.
Here is the Geneva Convention so you can read it.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Human_Rights/geneva1.html
Please feel free to point out the passage where civilians who take up arms are protected by anything special? They in fact are protected, AS are ALL Civilians. They are just civilians who have committed crimes and can be detained and tried.
What is being confused is the fact that EVEYONE is covered under the Geneva Convention. There is NO such thing as not having status. Now that status can change from a protected civilian to a POW to a spy after a trial. Once that trial is legally conducted and it rules you can be executed under it. Civilians taking up arms receive NO special status.
Article 4 covers the detention of civilians in "protected" status.
Crumpp
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Originally posted by GScholz
Go ahead and quote me on anything you like. IMHO the US government is criminal in its actions. Not a damn thing I can do about it, but I do think less of them for it.
Whew, sure is a good thing you don't matter.
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Originally posted by GScholz
Demaw1, you Americans even today fight civil wars, have death squads that recruit and kill children, drug wars, child prostitution etc. etc. etc.
That sentence has just as much bearing as the one you posted.
I can't believe I've been so busy as to miss the civil wars,
death squads and child prostitutes. I guess working a full time
job makes it easy to miss those kinda things.
Maybe you should duck next time a low bridge comes around.
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Rino, I hate to be a bore but aren't you behind on your dead baby quota for the month? I'd hate to have to report you to the minister of dead babies!
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The greatest thing is the Thermos.
It keeps hot things hot and cold things cold - But, how does it know?
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Pampers?
Seriously, the one thing I have problems with is the wastefulness that is common in American culture. When did it become cool that EVERYTHING must be disposable? I'm no tree hugger, but I find it disgusting that I get at least 3 trees a year in my mail box (junk mail). Three trees I move from my mail box to my plastic garbage bag to a land fill to satisfy some ******* who sent in for a get rich scheme he saw on an infomerical.
I mean how friggin hard is it to rinse out a diaper?
It's just a pet peave of mine. I just find the amount of garbage the average American creates, naueseating.
Edit - I see the colorful word for donkey is forbidden and "friggen" isn't - go figure.
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provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfil the following conditions: (a) that of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates; (b) that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance; (c) that of carrying arms openly; (d) that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.
Key phrase.
(6) Inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war.
Does not apply once the Army has passed. They have too upon encountering an invading army "spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces". Additionally they must "carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war."
These terrorist do niether. Therefore they are NOT afforded POW status but fall under Article 4 and must be:
Should any doubt arise as to whether persons, having committed a belligerent act and having fallen into the hands of the enemy, belong to any of the categories enumerated in Article 4, such persons shall enjoy the protection of the present Convention until such time as their status has been determined by a competent tribunal.
Tried by a tribunal to determine their status. Which is happening NOW. Once the courts decided who should conduct the trials.
Crumpp
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Originally posted by GScholz
Go ahead and quote me on anything you like. IMHO the US government is criminal in its actions. Not a damn thing I can do about it, but I do think less of them for it.
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Originally posted by GScholz
"such persons shall enjoy the protection of the present Convention until such time as their status has been determined"
Thank you for making my point. [/B]
So your point is... that... you agree with how Gitmo has been run so far? But you are still pissed off about it? :confused:
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"such persons shall enjoy the protection of the present Convention until such time as their status has been determined"
Your being pretty dense. EVERYONE has status under the Geneva Convention. There is no such thing as NOT being covered by it. The rights you have though change based on were you fall in the treaty.
You want to argue that these terrorists are POW's. They do NOT fit the legal definition that is spelled out IN BLACK AND WHITE. They are civilians who can be legally detained for committing CRIMES. The Geneva Convention affords them protection as "protected persons in custody". They are entitled to two trials.
1. To determine their status within the convention. They get the chance to prove they are a LEGAL combatant.
If the court rules they are Legal Combatants THEN they are afforded POW status.
2. If not then they can be tried as Criminals, which becomes their second trial and can even be executed as saboteurs. All IAW the Geneva Convention.
You should really learn what you are talking about before you start yapping.
Crumpp
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Originally posted by GScholz
Go ahead and quote me on anything you like. IMHO the US government is criminal in its actions. Not a damn thing I can do about it, but I do think less of them for it.
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Scholz re: g.v. and napoleonic empires.
I affirm you have some knowledge [ maybe a lot] of the napoleonic empire,nevertheless, that doesnt mean I dont know what I am talking about.Perhaps if you were to read john englund and others[authors and historians] you may find some interesting parallels to the first empire and now. Mr. englund last year had the 2 foremost british and french historians to his home for dinner and to discuss this very topic and more so napoleon .
I was fortunate to hear a lot of his lecture.I can not go into it as time and post would not permit .As of yet I dont have enough knowledge of the subject but understand the jist of it.
I could see you were from norway, never said you were french, and the use of you all and you was generic. The bottom line is you are over there ,what happens with the e.u. will affect you,how anyone can trust the french and germans with this endevour I dont know. As I said when the time comes you will bow to them or else, like it or not. Sir with respect only a dodo bird would not be able to see in the end france and germany will do what is best for them.Witness the billions stolen from iraq with help from u.n....so be it.
g.v. forget it dont care any longer.
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GS ... sometimes bro i wish you'd lay off the politics / bashing of the USA policies.
you know what i stand for, and what i think of yourself. sometimes, it just get's too dmn heated in here and people say hurtful things for effect.
respect is something someone earns, yuo have fought in the UN collitation.
i have done "nothing"
i dont expect respect, but at the same time, am sometimes hurt by the generalzations you say. you know and i know that the collalition you fought under has different agendas now, and has a much more solid leader from the USA. i would hope you dont take the experiances you had under a pinko soft leader in the US to heart, and can see past the past faults / indescressions.
a much harder stance / position is now called for under the current administration, and i stand by it fully, and whole heartedly.
if you do not feel the current adminstration is working dilligently, and soundly for a better good, please be consise.
also please dont forget, we are working against a group that doesn't adhere to, or believe in our "standards of justice" there are matters that require due dilligence in "teaching" them how strongly we feel about a situation. if "resorting" to some of their "tactics" gets the message through, so be it. i would hope to think many americans feel the same about it, and pray other nations would see the reasons for actions thusly.
the pure fact i have not and will not read this whole thread may cause you hesitation. i have only looked at snippits of quotes from yuorself, and some others, myself gathering a generalized idea of what is actually transpiring here.
i onyl ask that you reconsider your thoughts on what i stated before on the current administration, ESPECIALLY in relation to the past administration, and it;s policies. (wich you have more knowledge and experiance than i will ever truly know).
<> sir, im drunk and asking for a cease fire
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OK fine......
327 chevy fuel injected v8
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Originally posted by Rino
I can't believe I've been so busy as to miss the civil wars,
death squads and child prostitutes. I guess working a full time
job makes it easy to miss those kinda things.
Maybe you should duck next time a low bridge comes around.
You know, I was just talking to my buds in our death squad this week about how many child prostitutes were going to get from our next civil war.
Gotta love being a US Army Officer. I mean, death squadding by day, banging child prostitutes at night. I mean, what a great life. Until GS let you all know about it of course.
The only problem is it has seriously cut into my online flying time. I mean, between the mass grave shootings and the burkha orgies I rarely have time to get off the ground.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by GScholz
1. They have not been afforded the rights of POWs under the GC for the last two years, and still don't.
White house policy says:
Even though the detainees are not entitled to POW privileges, they will be provided many POW privileges as a matter of policy.
All detainees at Guantanamo are being provided:
-three meals a day that meet Muslim dietary laws
-water
-medical care
-clothing and shoes
-shelter
-showers
-soap and toilet articles
-foam sleeping pads and blankets
-towels and washcloths
-the opportunity to worship
-correspondence materials, and the means to send mail
the ability to receive packages of food and clothing, subject to security screening
POW Privileges the Detainees will not receive
The detainees will receive much of the treatment normally afforded to POWs by the Third Geneva Convention. However, the detainees will not receive some of the specific privileges afforded to POWs, including:
-access to a canteen to purchase food, soap, and tobacco
-a monthly advance of pay
-the ability to have and consult personal financial accounts
-the ability to receive scientific equipment, musical instruments, or sports outfits
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Originally posted by wklink
You know, I was just talking to my buds in our death squad this week about how many child prostitutes were going to get from our next civil war.
Gotta love being a US Army Officer. I mean, death squadding by day, banging child prostitutes at night. I mean, what a great life. Until GS let you all know about it of course.
The only problem is it has seriously cut into my online flying time. I mean, between the mass grave shootings and the burkha orgies I rarely have time to get off the ground.
:rolleyes:
Heh another one who missed the train...
tip: Europe is consisted of sovereign countries beginning from Portugal in West and ending at Russia in East.
Just like America is consisted from Argentina in South and Canada in up North.
Also countries like Chile, El Salvador, Colombia and Chile are American countries.... got the point now?
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so how many damn norwegen prisoners do we have in gitmo anyway?
If one of em is schlotz's cousin or something... let him go for the love of gawd.
lazs
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Originally posted by Staga
Heh another one who missed the train...
tip: Europe is consisted of sovereign countries beginning from Portugal in West and ending at Russia in East.
Just like America is consisted from Argentina in South and Canada in up North.
Also countries like Chile, El Salvador, Colombia and Chile are American countries.... got the point now?
Bullsnit.
GS knew exactly what he was saying. When you say 'America' you aren't talking about the continent. It is pretty much a given that when you talk about 'America' you are referring to the US. When immigrants talk about coming to America thay aren't talking about coming to Costa Rica.
When we talk about Europeans in general we can say Europe. There is no double meaning with Europe. There is no country that one person thinks of first when you say Europe. When you think of America you think the US right off the bat. It's been the unofficial nickname of the US since it was coined (by European immigrants btw) a couple centuries ago.
Don't think I am that stupid. I know GS wasn't talking about Brazil when he made that comment. And if he did, his 'inference' is misleading and stupid. It would be like saying Europe when I meant Russia. Its a crap statement and GS knew exactly what he was saying. It would be like saying Africa when you mean South Africa.
When I think of the friends sitting in Bosnia right now to help stop that 'civil war' then hear GS's statement I get upset. OK.
Don't feed me a line of drivel, GS knows exactly what he said. Sorry, running late, have a 10 ocklock Child Prostetute sell off on E-bay right now.
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"Present Convention" i.e. Convention III, relative to the protection of POWs. You know this.
They are NOT entitled to POW status. I have posted the article they are covered under and YOU posted the article covering POW's. I showed you exactly the clauses which cause them NOT to meet POW status.
They are "protected persons in custody". Not the same as a POW under the convention at all.
Crumpp
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Are you going to keep them in "custody" for next 20 years or what?
How do you call a country which keeps persons in concentration camps without giving them possibility to be heard in the court?
I know many designations for a country like that but modern and lawful are not amongst them.