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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Brat on July 23, 2004, 08:18:52 PM
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Say, I uhhh...downloaded AH and installed it on my PC. Then say I need to get a stick setup but don't want to spend $450 on CH gear because I'm not even sure I'd like the game (no offense HT)
What would be a decent setup? How required are pedals? Do any sticks still have the built in rudder controls on the stick like the Microsoft one did?
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might wanna try ebay..... I saw some really low priced CH gear there in the past
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just bought a Logitech extreme 3D Pro for 60$Can.....
Twisty Stick(for rudders).....1st time user, its different
no pedals.....
oh and the base is nice and solid.
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I use an MS Sidewinder Precision 2. They dont make them anymore but you can still find them around on ebay ect brandnew for like 30 bucks. And trust me, thats all the setup you'll ever need.
No use for 500+ dollar wannabe pilot crap.
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
I use an MS Sidewinder Precision 2. They dont make them anymore but you can still find them around on ebay ect brandnew for like 30 bucks. And trust me, thats all the setup you'll ever need.
No use for 500+ dollar wannabe pilot crap.
thats the one I was looking for Jeff, just couldn't find it.
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MS Force Feedbacktwisty stick. I think I paid $70. Works like a charm.
Of course I suck, so don't listen to me.
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Another option:
Saitek X45 Flight control system (Throttle, Stick) refurbished (brand new usually, maybe a nick in it somewhere) for $39.00 at Saiteks website.
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SLO, it's the 24th of July.
You are going to be looking for a new stick by middle of September...guaranteed.
If you can return that logitech stick I recommend you do it.
I have been through 4 of them now (yeah I know...I'm a slow learner hehe), and they all became unusable inside of 2 to 3 months.
Usually (for me anyway) the rudder goes, first then pitch and roll will start to spike uncontrollably.
It's really too bad, because the stick "feels" good and ergonomically is very comfortable.
Anyway, just a heads up SLO.
I have been using a Saitek cyborg EVO for 4 months now without a hiccup.
cheers,
RTR
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Originally posted by Brat
Say, I uhhh...downloaded AH and installed it on my PC. Then say I need to get a stick setup but don't want to spend $450 on CH gear because I'm not even sure I'd like the game (no offense HT)
What would be a decent setup? How required are pedals? Do any sticks still have the built in rudder controls on the stick like the Microsoft one did?
Yo.
you can fly with an ElCheapo whatever stick, as long as your system can run the game.
have to map all the button and such, but alot fly with a twisty stick and that is all. pedals and an x45 or better are nice toys, but the game can be played with a mouse even LOL.
<> have fun and any stick questions, ask me online JB73, residnet tech support for the III/Jabostaffle squad.
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i have an x-45 saitek and a ms forcefeedback persision pro i'll sell, bolth are slightly used (but very low hours) and work fine .
the x-45 is still in the box with the disc .
make reasonable offer .
Roscoroo@hotmail.com
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Originally posted by Brat
Say, I uhhh...downloaded AH and installed it on my PC. Then say I need to get a stick setup but don't want to spend $450 on CH gear because I'm not even sure I'd like the game (no offense HT)
What would be a decent setup? How required are pedals? Do any sticks still have the built in rudder controls on the stick like the Microsoft one did?
I'm flying with a Saitek Cyborg EVO. It was under $50, and takes all the abuse I dish out. Very adjustable, no software needed, and relatively smooth and stable. Twisty rudders work well. Twelve buttons that are mappable counting the trigger. Throttle built in, and a view hat. Just remember to grip lightly, and release regularly, or you'll end up with unwanted rudder input, causing drag.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
I'm flying with a Saitek Cyborg EVO. It was under $50, and takes all the abuse I dish out. Very adjustable, no software needed, and relatively smooth and stable. Twisty rudders work well. Twelve buttons that are mappable counting the trigger. Throttle built in, and a view hat. Just remember to grip lightly, and release regularly, or you'll end up with unwanted rudder input, causing drag.
i dont care what you said at all!!!!
i am logging off my PC and going to watxch my 2 DVD special edition of the great escape!
F the MA, i got other things to do !!!
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Originally posted by JB73
i dont care what you said at all!!!!
i am logging off my PC and going to watxch my 2 DVD special edition of the great escape!
F the MA, i got other things to do !!!
LOL, I spotted that at WalMart, I'll pick it up Saturday. I should be ashamed, my birthday is in two weeks and I'm buying my own present early.
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One of the main differences between AW and AH is the flexibility of AH's key mapping software.
You don't need too many buttons or too complex a stick as you can program each button in four ways just within AH.
AH also supports multiple sticks; so it's quite feasable to get to $9.95 sticks; and use one of them as rudders etc.
I wouldn't say pedals are a must; but some kind of rudder control is.
I've even seem a cordless twisty stick; it works quite well.
You do know Culero's flying; don'tcha? :)
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Originally posted by RTR
You are going to be looking for a new stick by middle of September...guaranteed.
If you can return that logitech stick I recommend you do it.
I have been through 4 of them now (yeah I know...I'm a slow learner hehe), and they all became unusable inside of 2 to 3 months.
Usually (for me anyway) the rudder goes, first then pitch and roll will start to spike uncontrollably.
It's really too bad, because the stick "feels" good and ergonomically is very comfortable.
Anyway, just a heads up SLO.
I have been using a Saitek cyborg EVO for 4 months now without a hiccup.
cheers,
RTR
I use the MSPP sidewinders bought on EBay for 20 bucks.
I went thro 4 cyborgs in a year and logiteks are not mush better.
They have no staying power and begin to spike within months..
Both brands. MSP sticks on the other hand last and last and you
calibrate it once, when you initialy set it up.
Never calibed it again. The wingman and cyborgs I owned were always losing the calib..
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Originally posted by SLO
just bought a Logitech extreme 3D Pro for 60$Can.....
Oh ... I'm sorry. Logitech is the biggest piece of crap on the market. Good luck.
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My TM stuff wouldn't work after switching from Mac to PC, so I gave the Logitech Extreme sticks a try. Broke the handle clean off the things within 2 weeks, on two joysticks inna row. Bah. CH is the only way to go.
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Logitech = Lottacrap. Same story...had one 3 weeks before it broke. CH is top line stuff, but you pay dearly. Saitek seems to be worth the money. I'm happy with my MS Sidewinder 2 FF.
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I'm pissed that MS stopped producing the sidewinder sticks, they were the only decent low cost option with enough buttons, programming options and reliabilty. I never had to calibrate mine and never had spiking problems like I hear other brands do. The handle had fantastic ergonomics as well.
I've had mine for a few years and the hat is just now beggining to die so I'm looking for a replacement. Looks like it will be ebay time as I really dislike all the current options.
I hate the X45 joystick handle top button and hat layout and the pinkie trigger is annoying.
I love the Logitech 3D Pro layout and feel, it has tons of buttons and in fact I think its perfect for me as it has all the extra buttons I wanted on my sidewinder stick but everything I have heard about reliabilty is terrible.
The cyborg sticks are plain weird to me and I dont like their throttle..
Bah!
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Thanks for input guys...I'm gonna go shopping and look at some sticks and see which ones I like...
Then I'll either ebay it or find it discounted somewhere...
I would LOVE to get the TH Hotas Cougar setup...but man..that's a LOT of money...
Found one on Ebay with CH pedals...but $300+ is a little out of my range if I'm not sure that I'm gonna stick it out...
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My MS Sidewinder FF2 dumped on me 2 days ago. I had a 2 year warranty on it from Best Buy and it was still under warrenty but they put you through allot crap to get the money back.
Had a Logitech 4 years ago... never again...it was a piece of chit.
Logitech Digital Wingman Extreme is better as a friggen paper weight now.
:mad:
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hmm 4 years with my 1st Logitech...
finally died....
2 years with my other Logitech, then someone turned power off and baaaaam goes USB controller and ports....
never had a real problem with logitech sticks
do you guys get dead and throw the stick around?
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Originally posted by SLO
do you guys get dead and throw the stick around?
almost every sortie
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Originally posted by JB73
almost every sortie
or every other sortie at least .
For the wingmans that bust the centering post off ... i just open the stick up and install this ( official Roscoroo should be patented ) metal post welded to a washer and it fixes that problem right now ... (well until the thing wont hold a cal anymore)
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Suggestion.
CH Products the way to go.
Never broke one in many years of simming, pass them down to my Son.
First...get USB Combat Stick or Fighter Stick. Plenty of buttons to program. Don't have to get the pedals or throttle right away and the Ch stick will still be good to go by the time you purchase either the Pedals or Throtle or both.
In the long run you'll save money by purchasing CH. You won't need to replace it as often by a longshot.
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
No use for 500+ dollar wannabe pilot crap.
LOL Morph! I agree entirely. Thanks for the laugh! :lol
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I use the Evo and really like it w/ the following caveat: The base is broad enough but it is too light and the surface that contacts the desktop is too small so it slides around a bit.
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Originally posted by SLO
hmm 4 years with my 1st Logitech...
finally died....
2 years with my other Logitech, then someone turned power off and baaaaam goes USB controller and ports....
never had a real problem with logitech sticks
do you guys get dead and throw the stick around?
I suggest you stick with Logitech in spite of the fact that everyone else in this thread knows it's crap then. Logitech and Voss. Cause Slo knows better. :D :aok
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Originally posted by Arlo
Oh ... I'm sorry. Logitech is the biggest piece of crap on the market. Good luck.
For the first 1 year I shot all of you sissies down with that stick. It is now 4 years old and being used by a squaddie. It's the Indian not the Arrow. Product abuse is one thing, wear and tear is another.
I'm on my 2nd X45 combo in less than a year. When you feel like posting something else, take your head out of your...
Karaya
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
I use an MS Sidewinder Precision 2. They dont make them anymore but you can still find them around on ebay ect brandnew for like 30 bucks. And trust me, thats all the setup you'll ever need.
No use for 500+ dollar wannabe pilot crap.
i'm gonna cry when mine breaks!
oh, and NEVER buy a saitek.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I'm pissed that MS stopped producing the sidewinder sticks, they were the only decent low cost option with enough buttons, programming options and reliabilty.
Lets sign a petition :D ;)
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
For the first 1 year I shot all of you sissies down with that stick. It is now 4 years old and being used by a squaddie. It's the Indian not the Arrow. Product abuse is one thing, wear and tear is another.
I'm on my 2nd X45 combo in less than a year. When you feel like posting something else, take your head out of your...
Karaya
Stop being so hard on your X45 combos. :D :aok
(Who the hell is this "Karaya" chick?)
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Originally posted by Furball
i'm gonna cry when mine breaks!
oh, and NEVER buy a saitek.
Sell ya mine. Guess it's the one they made that was good. :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
Stop being so hard on your X45 combos. :D :aok
(Who the hell is this "Karaya" chick?)
I wasn't hard on it. The USB wouldn't read anymore. Tried uninstalling the software, reboot, reinstall. Nothing. Went back to BB, exchanged. It works, so far.
Chick? I'm the Rooster in the Hen house smart prettythang :D
Karaya
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Originally posted by Arlo
Sell ya mine.
yours probably is pretty much brand new, you spend too much time making smart-arse comments on the bbs to fly any ;) :D
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Chick? I'm the Rooster in the Hen house smart prettythang :D
I'm sure you are but this is a bullring. :aok
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Originally posted by Furball
yours probably is pretty much brand new, you spend too much time making smart-arse comments on the bbs to fly any ;) :D
Neh. It's handled over a year of horrible abuse (apparently) and works like a champ. If I said it was "endorsed by Voss" would you buy it? :D
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i didn't know voss. so its irrelevant to me.
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Originally posted by Furball
i didn't know voss. so its irrelevant to me.
Ok ... I'll play ... "Endorsed by Metatron" ... but now the price doubled. :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
I'm sure you are but this is a bullring. :aok
bullring? Nah. You let the riders ride or get impaled by swords. I'll be with the chicks.
Karaya
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time for me to leave i see.. have fun! :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
bullring? Nah. You let the riders ride or get impaled by swords. I'll be with the chicks.
Karaya
Makes as much sense as your first post. Mmmmmkay. :D
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Originally posted by Furball
time for me to leave i see.. have fun! :rolleyes:
That was short and sweet. Glad you dropped by. :D
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Originally posted by Brat
Thanks for input guys...I'm gonna go shopping and look at some sticks and see which ones I like...
Then I'll either ebay it or find it discounted somewhere...
I would LOVE to get the TH Hotas Cougar setup...but man..that's a LOT of money...
Found one on Ebay with CH pedals...but $300+ is a little out of my range if I'm not sure that I'm gonna stick it out...
Buy it, and if you do not like it, sell it on Ebay... thats my recomendation
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Brat,
Do you put down your cocktail when you enter a dogfight?
Me no, thats why i fly MS twisties. Got PP2 USB for $35 couple years ago only because my new computer did not have a game port. Replaced a perfectly good PP2 that I got at a garage sale for $5. If you have a gameport on ur puter, I will see if the wife has not thrown it away and will send it to ya gratis. Basically used 2 joysticks regularlly for past 9 yrs. Will look tomorrow.
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Originally posted by Arlo
I suggest you stick with Logitech in spite of the fact that everyone else in this thread knows it's crap then. Logitech and Voss. Cause Slo knows better. :D :aok
Fan Club Boy....
13 years exp. in computers...
College Diploma in Prog....
Certified Engineer....
and yes I do know MORE then most on this BBS...
you have absolutely nothing to teach me when it comes to Computers or Computer Hardware....
this thread was for a Customer of HT who wanted help or suggestions for a Hardware choice.....
go troll your stupid prettythang somewhere else, your child assinine comments are getting repetitive and boring.
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Originally posted by SLO
Fan Club Boy....
13 years exp. in computers...
College Diploma in Prog....
Certified Engineer....
and yes I do know MORE then* most on this BBS...
you have absolutely nothing to teach me when it comes to Computers or Computer Hardware....
this thread was for a Customer of HT who wanted help or suggestions for a Hardware choice.....
go troll your stupid prettythang somewhere else, your child assinine comments are getting repetitive and boring.
*Yawn* Exactly when am I supposed to suddenly be impressed and believe that Logitech doesn't make crappy sticks? Oh ... yeah ... now I guess. Sorry.
If you wanna tack your "credentials" onto an endorsement for Logitech, fine by me, mate ... but Brat's actually a friend of mine. Besides ... in case you failed to notice ... I'm not the only one here that knows that Logitech blows. If that hurts your feelins ... well ... you can either get over it .... or not. :D
* than (You type an awful lot like MrBlack) :aok
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Back when i used to fly i allways liked a logitech. I used a logitech winman extreem stick a set of ch pedals and a beklen nostros pad, Great combination
I used the same stick for 2= years before it was warn out
Now one of my squadies went though 4 wing man sticks in a year before switching to Saitek whick he would only have to replace every 6 monthes, Then i think he went to a ch stick which lasted a year.
all depends on how you fly i guess
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Originally posted by Trell
Back when i used to fly i allways liked a logitech. I used a logitech winman extreem stick a set of ch pedals and a beklen nostros pad, Great combination
I used the same stick for 2= years before it was warn out
Now one of my squadies went though 4 wing man sticks in a year before switching to Saitek whick he would only have to replace every 6 monthes, Then i think he went to a ch stick which lasted a year.
all depends on how you fly i guess
But we're not talking about "how we fly" ... we're talking about "product quality." Seems your friend has tested three products very extensively and Logitech scored lowest while CH highest.
From AH players I've talked to about Logitech (several dozen): 8 out of 10 that have tried them say it's an inferior product with the remaining 2 unwilling to claim it's a superior one. Their experiences mirrored mine. Hardly a ringing endorsement from the community. Hence my challenging any recommendations to buy one in this thread.
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I see you still haven't learned anything. Well at least your childish assinine comic relief stopped for 1 post, now that is an achievement.
Like I said, I know more then most on this BBS, yet you still want me to follow their POV. Lack of reasoning on your part, follow the leader, eh Arlo. Sorry, the day I buy a 500$ set-up to play an online game will be raining money off trees.
and I trust my opinion a little more then most on this BBS when it comes to Hardware and computers.
friend or no friend, he asked a question, and it was promptly answered.
oh and BTW, I don't see any suggestion from you, do you have anything constructive to add to this discussion, or are you here just to be an idiot.
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Originally posted by SLO
I see you still haven't learned anything. Well at least your childish assinine comic relief stopped for 1 post, now that is an achievement.
Like I said, I know more then most on this BBS, yet you still want me to follow their POV. Lack of reasoning on your part, follow the leader, eh Arlo. Sorry, the day I buy a 500$ set-up to play an online game will be raining money off trees.
and I trust my opinion a little more then most on this BBS when it comes to Hardware and computers.
friend or no friend, he asked a question, and it was promptly answered.
oh and BTW, I don't see any suggestion from you, do you have anything constructive to add to this discussion, or are you here just to be an idiot.
You're not only a dumbarse .... you're a hypersensitive dumbarse. I didn't recommend a $500 setup to Brat. I said "don't buy a Logitech" ... because Logitech sucks. Your opinion doesn't change that fact. He'd be better off with a cheap Saitek.
Now go lick your self-inflicted wounds. :D
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I'm still not reading anywhere about YOUR extensive experience, or your relationship with any Logitech Hardware.
apart from you childish remarks please post something relative to the subject at hand.
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Geez. What, do I need a freakin' cert to know this product sucks? Ok, fine. I'm certified too. I've used T-master, Logitech and Saitek. And Logitech sucks. Now what do you wanna talk about, Jethro? :D
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too funny, I find Thrust-Master and Saiteck suck cause I say so.
:aok
when did you use a Logitech stick, what kind was it, for how long did you use that stick, did it break, if so, why? so on and so forth, I did say something constructive.
your opinion that it sucks cause you say so is no valid point to support your POV.
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Originally posted by Arlo
But we're not talking about "how we fly" ... we're talking about "product quality." Seems your friend has tested three products very extensively and Logitech scored lowest while CH highest.
From AH players I've talked to about Logitech (several dozen): 8 out of 10 that have tried them say it's an inferior product with the remaining 2 unwilling to claim it's a superior one. Their experiences mirrored mine. Hardly a ringing endorsement from the community. Hence my challenging any recommendations to buy one in this thread.
Arlo I was responding to Brat not you.
I dont care of you have an axe to grind with logitech or not.
I was happy with my stick, and i would buy one again. I thought it was the best single stick out there for the price.
It lasted me 2+ years untill the hat switch went out,
Brat take a walk to the store and look around find a stick that looks like it will fit you and try it out.. if you are not sure if you wanna keep flying , I would go cheap first, Then upgrade if you stay around.
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the real question is....
is Brat the kind of guy who will slap, throw and shake the stick everytime he dies or NOT.
some joysticks prefer a gentle hand, some are made tougher for the one's with a not so gentle hand
personelly I like too stay smooth, even when in a dogfight, hence my name SlowHand:D
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Originally posted by SLO
too funny, I find Thrust-Master and Saiteck suck cause I say so.
:aok
when did you use a Logitech stick, what kind was it, for how long did you use that stick, did it break, if so, why? so on and so forth, I did say something constructive.
your opinion that it sucks cause you say so is no valid point to support your POV.
Logitech 3d extreme - the first few months of AH. Calibrated poorly to begin with. Four months later the spiking was so bad there was no amount of slider adjustment or dampening short of complete shutdown that could keep the mildest touch from initiating a "don't move controls rapidly" message. Discussions about stick issues with other members of the community consistantly received feedback from players that Logitech was an inferior product. The primary problem cited was stick-spiking issues exactly like mine. The purchase of a $35 Saitek was a 100% improvement over even the first day's use of the Logitech. Continued discussions about Logitech with other members of the community STILL receives a broad majority of negative feedback about Logitech's shoddy construction and spiking issues. Saitek receives an overall positive reaction. My year old Saitek works as well as it did from day one - which is bout near perfect.
Now, goob .... here's THE thing. I'm not here to convince YOU that Logitech sucks. I hope you buy 20 em. I hope when you wear them out you keep them as dildoes. I don't care. I don't think Brat's gonna buy one now. Mission accomplished. :D
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well funny cause I've been using it for years and no problems, just the usual wear and tear.
and before I bought it I asked squaddies who have been using it and still no problems.
and that SPIKE thing you mentioned, can you give more details, like WHAT caused those spikes, so on and so forth......please
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Apparently you missed the last paragraph of my last post. Please try again. Good luck. :aok
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its for me, so I can look out for that particuler problem if it ever occurs.
but thank you anyways.
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No stick I have ever used has been as smooth and trouble-free as my CH fighter stick. The second best was my MS Sidwinder Precision II, and it was not even close to my CH.
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I've had a Microsoft Sidewinder for three years, It's not even the force feedback version, it's the eight button with the throttle wheel.
I liked it so much, I bought another for the other puter, So if the original breaks I got another just in case.