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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: 68DevilM on July 23, 2004, 08:53:02 PM
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could we please make the guns on a pony a little more lethal?
why is it thay a lanc can pummle me with its 50 cal's butt i cant even kill an ack or an m16 with the pony's guns?
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yeah .. lets make the pony .50's kill a 190 from 1200 yards back, just like in AH 1, because thats was the ultimate in realism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dude should a pony be able to kill a lancaster? is there a single documented observation of this????
pls let it go. 1 sortie in an unrealistic (unreal in real life) matchup, and you post askign for a change ot the ballistics of the ammo.
please learn the sreach function of the BBS, and read all about the "lazer" .50's in the past.
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68 ,the 0.50s do holes.
The best you can do in one pass is to kill pilots,or take 1 or 2 ,if you are lucky,engines.
Imagine the holes of the 0.50s, and then see the *Holes* of the
explosive LW 20mm (i call them bernades) on the B17,s.
http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/contents.htm
*Then* lets talk about lethality ;)
(http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/photos/wings/wing2.jpg)
This is from the 30mm of the me-262
You get the idea ;)(http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/photos/wings/aileron120.jpg)
This is from a fw 20mm !!
(http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/photos/tail/rudder5.gif)
Another 20mm
(http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/photos/tail/stabil3.gif)
Another 20mm
(http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/photos/tail/rudder3.gif)
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Originally posted by JB73
yeah .. lets make the pony .50's kill a 190 from 1200 yards back, just like in AH 1, because thats was the ultimate in realism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dude should a pony be able to kill a lancaster? is there a single documented observation of this????
pls let it go. 1 sortie in an unrealistic (unreal in real life) matchup, and you post askign for a change ot the ballistics of the ammo.
please learn the sreach function of the BBS, and read all about the "lazer" .50's in the past.
who said anything about killing lanc's??? or a 190??? hmm mabey you should wipe the confusion from you eyes and read this bb post a little better...
i said kill ack and m16's!:rolleyes: dude you got issues or something:p
p.s have you ever fired a 50 cal before? i have thier not that weak and if i can take your 190 out of the sky with my pony i should be able to kill ack with it
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You Can kill ack, BUT there is Not bubble now.
You have to land your 0.50s Exactly On the ack.
Means better aim.
And yes i have fire some times with m16, rheihnmentall 20mm,
bofors 40mm.
I was also inside the crypt where the shells was landing.
You dont want these things aim on you in a war.
But its not the same on air.
Every plane is not a stable platform for whatever weapon, more,
when you shoot in a moving target.Air-Air.
When you hit in ground is more easy but again you cant concetrate your fire in 1 point. You again hit an area.
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Originally posted by Hades55
You Can kill ack, BUT there is Not bubble now.
You have to land your 0.50s Exactly On the ack.
Means better aim.
And yes i have fire some times with m16, rheihnmentall 20mm,
bofors 40mm.
I was also inside the crypt where the shells was landing.
You dont want these things aim on you in a war.
But its not the same on air.
Every plane is not a stable platform for whatever weapon, more,
when you shoot in a moving target.Air-Air.
When you hit in ground is more easy but again you cant concetrate your fire in 1 point. You again hit an area.
ohh i know that theres no bubble anymore, and im not saying that there should be but when you have to put 2-300 rounds into an ack i think thats ridiculas, all it should take is a well aimed quick burst mabey 100 rounds
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Ok, its time to be fair. Everybody KNOWS the Fact here.
The P51 AND US.50cal win the war, so this (place it here) must get fixed a.s.a.p... Right?
BTW I want RL Tiger killer .50cal ammos too :)
j/k
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I try to find, and i cant, the famous Tempest Attack of the Pierre Closterman and his squad in a German Air Field.
Ten (10) Tempests low angle low alt full speed dive in the field in a one
pass attack. All together in a frond.
Only 2 survived from the ack, *i remind you 1st and only Pass in a
surprise attack*. Closterman and another. Two was crashed,
six dead from the ack.
That was a typical Tempest attack, and they had 4 20mm ;)
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I was trying to find it in the web, and it was here in this bb :)
http://www.flyaceshigh.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25191&highlight=closterman
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Ack! Oh my god what ack! Muzzle flashes from the 20- and 37mm guns light up the field. There must be atleast 40 of them! A carpet of white explosion clouds spreads above us. The black puffs of the 37mm burst around us in "pearl threads" of 8. What an inferno of AAA!
Physical fear is the worst pain man can suffer. My heart feels like it is jammed all the way up to my mouth, I'm soaking wet from sweating - the shameful, sticky sweat of a rebelling body. My toes clutch inside my boots.
We dive desperately deeper into the smoke of the explosions - tracers on the right - left - crossing - explode beside our wings and blind our eyes.
We are 1500 meters from the ring of the field, where people are running - altitude 50 meters. Lower for God's sake, lower! Lower lower!! For God's sake - my voice is probably hysterical.
A large grassy airfield, that is being cut by grey runways, races towards us. Our speed is 900 km/h."
<clip>
The attack is over - almost.
-Attention Filmstar planes - resume formation above the field at 10 000ft.
-Attention Pierre, this is red three. I don't think there is going to be any formation, all others have been shot down.
Impossible! I let my eyes wander all 360 degrees of the horizon, I look everywhere, also the terrible pyramid of AA-fire, that reaches above Schwerin. I don't see anyone.
13.04. The attack started at 13.03. From the end of our dive to this moment, this nightmare took 35 seconds. In that time we lost 6 planes out of 8!
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In AH1 used to deack small field alone using Yak -9T (not always succesfull, but there were few good sorties ).
How modeled are acks in AH2 ? Bullets still hit you at 7.9k foot ?
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well forget about useing any kind of machine guns now on ack!!
its almost impposible for me to do it on one pass anymore, i dont even bother anymore unless my planes equipt with cannons
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68, you Can do it. Put your conv to 350-400. Better aim and you
need to come more near.I usualy do it with pony and first pass.
Some times im dead, but wth, it was worst in reality ;)
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Yak9T is a deacking machine.
Key to surviving acks is to keep jinking.
Keep your flight path changing every 2 seconds.
.50's still kill acks fine, you just have to be closer, shooting at your set convergience,
have good aim, and be willing to let a few rounds go. Your not going to do it with microbursts anymore.
The only REAL complaint I have about the acks is they should be surrounded by a sandbag emplacement makeing them MUCH more visible.
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Originally posted by Hades55
68, you Can do it. Put your conv to 350-400. Better aim and you
need to come more near.I usualy do it with pony and first pass.
Some times im dead, but wth, it was worst in reality ;)
oooohhhh ok! ill try harder;)
my conv is allways set to max on all my planes
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Originally posted by 68DevilM
my conv is allways set to max on all my planes
therein lies the problem.
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
therein lies the problem.
whats wrong with it at 650? give's me more range and i dont have to get so close too the ack that i could reach out and slap the gunner:D
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Try it once eh?
Pull it in to 300, and shoot at 300.
586 yards is one third of a mile. You really think you can shoot accurately at that range and BEYOND?
Your trying to use the shotgun effect, and for large targets, to a certain point it will work. But its NOT going to work on small targets like acks.
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rgr, so for ack targets ill have to set it to 300 but any other time ill leave it at 650 and 625, pain in the butt, cause i never know what ill have to take out when i get to a base.. think ill just leave where it is and keep killing planes and leave the ack to my rockets:D
ps butt i will try it once just for this post's sake to see if it works, butt im not gonna fly around with my conv set that low, dont feel that comfortable getting that close to the tail of your bombers skull;)
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Originally posted by 68DevilM
rgr, so for ack targets ill have to set it to 300 but any other time ill leave it at 650 and 625, pain in the butt, cause i never know what ill have to take out when i get to a base.. think ill just leave where it is and keep killing planes and leave the ack to my rockets:D
ps butt i will try it once just for this post's sake to see if it works, butt im not gonna fly around with my conv set that low, dont feel that comfortable getting that close to the tail of your bombers skull;)
I'd suggest trying it out with the convergence set closer all around. Given bullet dispersal, you're not getting the most efficient use out of your guns by taking those long range shots. You might be surprised at how Brutal the 6x.50 gunset can be at medium range when convergence matches firing range.
-Sik
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so your saying that i have a good chance of still hitting targets at 4-5-and 600 with my guns set at 300?
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Originally posted by 68DevilM
so your saying that i have a good chance of still hitting targets at 4-5-and 600 with my guns set at 300?
no no... I'm saying get closer.
Of course, my hit % has sucked for the past year so I should probably just shut up. :p
-Sik
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I'd be willing to bet that no matter WHO was pulling the trigger. That the # of rounds on target at 300 yards would be exponentially larger than same situation at 600 or 650.
Like 15x as many.
Besides, buffs are not that hard, secret is high 9/3 passes and no straight angles. Make your flight path CURVE to his point of view so he constantly has to track.
Its when your straight & steady that they can kill you easy.
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Originally posted by Ghosth
I'd be willing to bet that no matter WHO was pulling the trigger. That the # of rounds on target at 300 yards would be exponentially larger than same situation at 600 or 650.
yeah thats another thing that makes me set my conv so high is the current icon range, wish we could go back to knowing exact distance instead of 300+ or -... because what? it goes from 300 to 600 in your icon range right? so the plane that your chaseing could be at 599 and it would still only say 300+ or -, until he gets 600 from you right?
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yeah thats another thing that makes me set my conv so high is the current icon range, wish we could go back to knowing exact distance instead of 300+ or -... because what? it goes from 300 to 600 in your icon range right? so the plane that your chaseing could be at 599 and it would still only say 300+ or -, until he gets 600 from you right?
Or you can try getting in closer so it won't matter what range is set.
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In the 51 you are BnZ'ing anyways right? .. or we hope you are. The thing is when you set your range at 650 - that means to properly hit the target you should be firing when the range indicator says 800 - correct? Put all guns in a spread around 300-400.
Get in just a little closer, one nice bursts - or a couple - will take down the target real fast. When you are closer you can also concentrate on certain parts of the plane. Such as a wing, tail, whatever so you have a better chance than just throwing shots out at 650 hoping they hit the plane - bad idea.
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looking at those pictures, my b17s can't even take one round of a 262 without falling from the sky. One thing I noticed about the photgraphed b17s getting hit with the 262 ammo - they're one the ground.
So you're saying there's a chance.....
lol :)
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Waffle go to the link i have post there.....
you will see that buffs was surviving worst hits than that of 262s.
Straight hits from 88s lets say ;)
But what we see are them who have return.
Imagine them who have not !
The photos show that you had a possibility to come back home
with what ever could hit you up there, But How Many was that
posibilities ? How many have go down for the one who have return ?from 88s? from 30mm ? from 20mm ?
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Originally posted by Mak333
In the 51 you are BnZ'ing anyways right? .. or we hope you are. The thing is when you set your range at 650 - that means to properly hit the target you should be firing when the range indicator says 800 - correct? Put all guns in a spread around 300-400.
Get in just a little closer, one nice bursts - or a couple - will take down the target real fast. When you are closer you can also concentrate on certain parts of the plane. Such as a wing, tail, whatever so you have a better chance than just throwing shots out at 650 hoping they hit the plane - bad idea.
ok you guys convinced me too set my conv back to umm im gonna go with at least 400 and 375, and see if i like em better there, use to fly with them around 350, dont know when i changed to max??? or why???