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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Gary26 on July 24, 2004, 11:29:54 PM
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This is a combination of a reply too Mister Fork and a new thread. To Mister Fork, i think the ranking system should be left alone. I don't see much chest pounding from guyz like Eagler and Eskimo who are two of the highest ranking guyz in CT. I know my squadmates Wombat and Costly are very proud of there rank and not once have i heard them brag. They fly everyday and since they came too my squad they have died ALOT too get too where they are. I like too land safely with kills under my belt and get my "name in lights". I think until we have people running around chest banging about rank that it's not an issue. I respect all most all of the pilots in CT it is the "small town bar" enviornment that i enjoy. You know these people and where they live and there style. I guess that is why i get so upset about the occasional vulch in CT. Ihave been able to kill while others were landing and waved off and others have done the same. It is the respect for others that makes the CT great for me. I don't think that it is aan arena full of "score potatos" and if a guy EARNS 2-3 kills why shouldn't he land them. It's more about accomplishment than about bragging rights
Now for #2
What has happened too the CT? Ayear ago the would be up to 50 people on a saturday night. Tonight there was 9. It has been like that for a while. If it hasn't already been done, maybe we should find out what it is that hve driven the people away. I miss flying against Shop and snoopy and Twodoggs. Imiss all the old squads that used too be there. I the JG-54. Without those guyz i don't think there would be much for fights. Ithink we should look into the #'s thing and maybe try and come up with some fresh ideas too get people into the CT more often. Maybe it's just the limited skill of the pilots not being able to cope with a limited plane set. Ilove the historical aspect of the arena and that is why i fly there. Please try and reframe form the hate male if u could.:aok If anyone has any ideas maybe we should try them.
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Many were not able to upgrade thier computer.
Rank, Score potatos etc...well, that wont change...and could be one reason, as well as the taunting abuse on Ch1, why the CT stays empty.
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P6e, that is why you hunt down and keel taunters like shane. Then tell them to go back to the ma. with the except of shane. We can live with shane.:D
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Skull12 is right if someone talks crap just kill'em.
The #'s in CT were going down hill before AH2 came out to replace AH1. I don't think stoping ch. 1 has done anything people have found away around it. Just love this game and it really sucks too see the CT going down hill. I think there is a better caliber of pilot's that fly in here.
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well. i think most are moving on to games that better fit their needs.i know the 325 FG Checktails have moved to Il:FB, they have a 24 hour server up. JG3 is ded. JG54 lost a lot of players whom were damn good pilots i might add to AH2. Im also starting to get burnt out of AH. Im sick of pac setup. and the fact that everyone flies on Est. Many more have done the same thing as i will most likely do. stop playing AH for a bit.
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the narrower the planeset the fewer flyers
the larger the map, the fewer the flyers
foggy clouds, restricted dar, the fewer the flyers
this week has all the above
historical is great but it serves no purpose if there is no one to fight
I'm not going in with 2 bad guys over 40 miles away in the fog
it needs to open up, more planes less space between bases, clearer skies
??? - why is dar back to long range on the bad guys, comp for the fog?
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Speaking for myself the AH format is the most user friendly and allows for good player interactivity.
The situation in the CT is complex and the solutions will only be found with much thinking, consideration, consultation with the players and creative experimentation. Change is always chaotic. I have never experienced a smooth transition in my life.
Perhaps AHII was launched prematurely. It certainly is buggy enough to warrant that critizism but it is here. I seriously doubt the HTC will re-introduce AHI so the choice is up to you, the individual player. Do I stay or do I go? I left a bit and played other games WB 2004 and I still occasionally play IL-2. IL-2 is great and it is certainly more challenging than AH. AH is arcadish compared to IL-2 but I prefer AH for the above reason.
The solution is really threefold, first is the very real problem of playability. I have an awesome box and yet only see FRs in the 40s most of the time. Occasionally they drop into the teens. Then there is the nagging CTD issue. These are the most prominent defects with the programming but there are others. There is no reason to have to put up with that performance in a game you are paying for. In my opinion the game should have been Beta tested longer. I suspect HT has shot himself in the foot and is feeling it in the wallet. I hope they can remedy these issues directly.
The second solution is new people. Perhaps HT will run his ads on the wings channel again. This is where we come in. I'm not pointing fingers and I acknowledge my guilt in this area. Many of us are stunninghunks. ESPECIALLY to the newbies!! My son started playing, paid up his account and will not subscribe to the next tour. He says that many people were mean to him and he doesn't feel like spending his money here. We need to behave more like tankman, wombat, bear76, oldman and others. We need to behave less like storch and many that I will not mention but you know who you are.
Thirdly we need better maps and sets. I don't know of many players who enjoy early war and here we have two weeks of it in a row. The CT should to be fun, it hasn't been for me for two weeks.
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Originally posted by Eagler
the narrower the planeset the fewer flyers
the larger the map, the fewer the flyers
foggy clouds, restricted dar, the fewer the flyers
this week has all the above
historical is great but it serves no purpose if there is no one to fight
I'm not going in with 2 bad guys over 40 miles away in the fog
it needs to open up, more planes less space between bases, clearer skies
??? - why is dar back to long range on the bad guys, comp for the fog?
Its not Fog its HAZE. I have been flying in real life for the past week in 3 to 4 miles visability due to HAZE. Its realistic and a part of life. The one thing that runs me out of the CT is the MA settings, taunting, and ETO plane sets. Its three weeks of 109s and one week of zeros. 20 miles visabilty and inflight GPS/RADAR.
I have two books that cost a lot of money but are wonderful. "The Official Monogram US Army Air Service & Air Corps Aircraft Color Guide" (1908-1941) Vol. 1 by Robert D Archer. The other is " USAAF Aircraft Markings and Camouflage 1941-1947 by Archer and Archer. Much of the camouflage schemes was due to HAZE.
I know this is a game and guys want to log in, depart a field, meet in the middle and furball. Thats not what the CT is supose to be. Thats what the DA is for. The CT stays empty because of the plane sets, what I said above, base porking and guys just getting burned out from time to time.
Personaly I would like to see dot dar gone. Only an arrow in the area of the most action and a "dot" every so often as a "radar report" and not inflight radar. CVs no closer than 10 miles from land. Time limited deaths, lazer gunners in bomber formations, Auto takeoffs and auto pilot....
Basicly a full realistic arena. It would stay empty but separate the men from the boys! This you would see the return of the 325th Checkertails. Givin a chanch, I think Jg-54 would make a great squad for this. Also would see the VMF-312th return. BAsicly a Speacial Events arena 24 hours a day.
I have seen this for 7 years from WarBirds to AHII. Nothing changes but the players.
BTW, take a look at the squadron "Hells Angles" in the MA. You will notice that it is a mixture of CT squads :aok
Oh and I forgot the plastering of message posters just because one disagrees with what the poster posts :confused:
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The VF-17 Jolly Rogers seem to about to be dead, because hardly no one in the squadron is on, but me and Arlo. Last Year was good old days, but this year? Blah.
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I thinkd Storch had the right idea. Maybe would should revise the Cadet/trainer thing and make it easier too use. Maybe suggest that people start out in CT and ask guys like Wombat and bear76 if they would volunteer too be on the list for help. Come up with something telling these noobs that if u are in this arena look for said people and they will help, but please discourage the unannounced invites.:mad:
I for one would be happy too help because if it wasn't for the same type of people, in CT, i would have never given this game a chance outside of the free trial. It was in the CT where i found the people willing too help.
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Originally posted by storch
The second solution is new people. Perhaps HT will run his ads on the wings channel again. This is where we come in. I'm not pointing fingers and I acknowledge my guilt in this area. Many of us are stunninghunks. ESPECIALLY to the newbies!! My son started playing, paid up his account and will not subscribe to the next tour. He says that many people were mean to him and he doesn't feel like spending his money here. We need to behave more like tankman, wombat, bear76, oldman and others. We need to behave less like storch and many that I will not mention but you know who you are.
That upsets me a bit Storch, because I told everyone I could who your son was and said "Hey, whatever you think of Storch, xxxxx is his son so be nice to him, he's new and just getting started in AH". I guess they didnt listen, sorry about that.
Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
Its not Fog its HAZE. I have been flying in real life for the past week in 3 to 4 miles visability due to HAZE. Its realistic and a part of life. The one thing that runs me out of the CT is the MA settings, taunting, and ETO plane sets. Its three weeks of 109s and one week of zeros. 20 miles visabilty and inflight GPS/RADAR.
I agree, its very hazy here, and the haze effect looks real. I also liked the shorter 3.0k con ranges in the CT better than the MA settings. I dont mind the ETO setups, and well, you deserve to get taunted you doo doo head. :)
I know this is a game and guys want to log in, depart a field, meet in the middle and furball. Thats not what the CT is supose to be. Thats what the DA is for. [/b]
Who says? You are the only person I have heard say that. I think the CT is for whatever style of flying you want, but with as historic as possible plane matchups and maps. I think most (myself included) choose to furball because thats whats most FUN, no other reason. If I want reality, I'll rent a 152, or race my motorcycle, or race my car, all of which are more challenging than AH. This is a game, nothing more nothing less and it should relieve stress not add it. You dont have fun because the majority dont conform to your vision of what the CT should be and you cant get over that.
Personaly I would like to see dot dar gone. Only an arrow in the area of the most action and a "dot" every so often as a "radar report" and not inflight radar. CVs no closer than 10 miles from land. Time limited deaths, lazer gunners in bomber formations, Auto takeoffs and auto pilot....
Basicly a full realistic arena.[/b]
While I like shorter ranges in the CT than the MA settings, doing the above would be signing the CT's death warrant and shovling dirt on top of it.
I have seen this for 7 years from WarBirds to AHII. Nothing changes but the players.[/b]
Ever wonder why? Because what you dislike in gameplay is what most think is fun, what you call the Hampster Wheel of "up, die, repeat". I agree its unrealistic, but its FUN damnit!
BTW, take a look at the squadron "Hells Angles" in the MA. You will notice that it is a mixture of CT squads :aok[/b]
Best thing to happen to the CT IMO is the Hells Angles. Lots of CT "enemies" flying together in the MA only to find out "Hey that guy that I hate in the CT because he is always (insert Allied/Axis) is really an OK guy". Of course, since I am a side switcher, I already knew they were all good guys, so it didnt surprize me at all when I started hearing that.
Oh and I forgot the plastering of message posters just because one disagrees with what the poster posts :confused: [/B]
Doo doo head. :)
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Originally posted by Gary26
Maybe suggest that people start out in CT and ask guys like Wombat and bear76 if they would volunteer too be on the list for help.
I would be more than happy to be on the list. The only problem is, where do they find out who is a trainer? I think for it to work, you would have to have the CT staff put those peoples names on the MOTD every week, otherwise how do they find out?
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Thats why i said we should revise the system somehow so it is easier too get these names.:aok
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Originally posted by Rafe35
The VF-17 Jolly Rogers seem to about to be dead, because hardly no one in the squadron is on, but me and Arlo. Last Year was good old days, but this year? Blah.
Hey. Don't look at me! I think it was YOUR deoderant. :D
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Originally posted by Grits
Best thing to happen to the CT IMO is the Hells Angles. Lots of CT "enemies" flying together in the MA only to find out "Hey that guy that I hate in the CT because he is always (insert Allied/Axis) is really an OK guy". Of course, since I am a side switcher, I already knew they were all good guys, so it didnt surprize me at all when I started hearing that.
Awww ... pfffft .... fug ewe. Oh wait. Actually I think the every single CT regular should join the H As and spread the word profusely. At the same time I'd like to see the H As not get "stuck" in the MA.
Reasons:
- If the H As make a decent name for themselves in the MA (which, I believe, they already have) then they may drag some good sticks back to the CT with them.
- The camraderie within the H As will indeed bring CT players together. Hell ... even dipwads like Bear76 and DrWeevil may be able to overcome their genetic deficiencies. (Heh ... gdr)
Ahem!
- The opportunity to develop the best tactics against Spit/Nik/Lala/Pony/Yak/Dora/262 dweebs on a regular basis and bring it back to the CT to throw in the faces of those whining about fighting those types of planes.
Eh ... that's all I can make ... errr .. think up for now. :D
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Originally posted by Grits
That upsets me a bit Storch, because I told everyone I could who your son was and said "Hey, whatever you think of Storch, xxxxx is his son so be nice to him, he's new and just getting started in AH". I guess they didnt listen, sorry about that.
Thanks Grits you probably doomed the dude! :)
I don't think anyone was mean to him because he's my son I think there are some of us who are mean to noobs. I exclude myself from that category I always go out of my way to orient any new guy. I'm a dik to the rest of ya's from time to time but never the new guy. That's like eating your young, while it may be easy it's really counter-productive.
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Originally posted by Arlo
Hey. Don't look at me! I think it was YOUR deoderant. :D
D'oh! :eek:
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Everyone here makes valid points, the Combat Theater has changed a lot in the last year in a half since I started playing in here. Problem is that everyone can make arguments on how "they" should change the CT, but no one steps up and tries to.. Actions speak louder than words.... I will give it to BUG, his intentions are good but some times he comes off a little harsh...
I have tried myself to improve the CT with multi squad missions that everyone could join in... but when it comes down to it everyone has to cry about flight time, no enemies they can engage in 5 seconds, and how the mission is just to pork a base or bang a bridge. So I stopped planning them.
Also, we have limited planes in our inventory. So the setups can't be as perfect as we all would like them. Seems like everyone is worried more about what the other guy is flyiing then just trying to figure out what they can do to improve their flying. Yes I believe that the P-51, La-7, N1k, Spit and the Tiffe are Ubber planes... but they are in Aces High and we should be able to fly them. The IJN inventory lacks the most I think, but I don't think the we should penalize the guys that like the blue planes just because of that. Most of the guys that fly allied in the PTO don't fly the plane the way it should... ergo you get killed. Just as the axis should fly their planes to there STRENGTHS and not just cry because the allied extend... and yes I have flown IJN... and have gotten blown out of the sky in it... but because of my own fault not the fault of the other plane. If this is the case where everyone just wants to complain about planesets why not just enable the P-40B for both sides and let your ACMs speak.
I remember a couple of months ago a guy critized me for HOing him, most of you that fly with me or aginst me know I don't do that, just because you loose your advantage because of it. Anyway, I came in on his six and he never knew what hit him.. went down in a ball of flames... and all he did was complain how I HO'ed him... I think the lack of training and the knowledge of the planes stems some of the frustrations in the CT.
I am actually glad they got rid of Channel 1, or so I have heard, but that is just my opinion. If you want a channel just tune to channel 200 and you can trash talk all you want... with out all of the rest of the community seeing it... I mean it looks bad for us as a community as a whole when new people see that...
Right now I don't have any suggestions on ways to improve the CT, AH2 is still in it's bug stage, so things won't be up to speed anytime soon so I think we just have to live with that the CT is just a limited planeset dueling arena... You have a choice to fly it or not...
Lastly, the 325th hasn't left the CT, we are just in a regrouping stage in our sqaud. We had a lot of key people have to quit for certian reasons. So we decided to bone up on some training and some other squad things. I didn't feel we were as effective as we should have been in there, with JG54 being so big and going up against the 880 with their team work... Yes we do have a dedicated sever on Hyperlobby that is password protected, so we can do some training on there... but hopefully soon we will be opening it to the public. We are going to rotate the map every so often and when Pacific Fighters comes out we will add that to our maps.
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personally i hate to say this but. i think we are going to lose alot of blue boys to Pac fighter's Il2. The bigger inventory of Japanese and American planes will be alot more appealing to them then AH's. Also the fact that there will be alot more people in some rooms on hyperlobby than the CT i think will just make the CT die.
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Originally posted by Gary26
Now for #2
What has happened too the CT? Ayear ago the would be up to 50 people on a saturday night. Tonight there was 9.
I think AH2 has a lot to do with this. People want to learn the new system, and the best way to do that is with your favorite plane in an arena where you'll meet enemy planes quickly. That has always been the MA. Combined with this, one of the big draws of the CT has been its maps, and we don't have any of those yet (again, because of AH2). Actually, I'm not sure that they have the Pizza Map in the MA, which used to drive a lot of disgruntled folks into the CT.
When all of this gets sorted out - and it looks like that may be a six month process - will we still be here? Certainly there's a cadre that will. It's up to us to keep it going long enough to outlast the transition.
- oldman
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
personally i hate to say this but. i think we are going to lose alot of blue boys to Pac fighter's Il2. The bigger inventory of Japanese and American planes will be alot more appealing to them then AH's. Also the fact that there will be alot more people in some rooms on hyperlobby than the CT i think will just make the CT die.
Maybe ... maybe not. IL2 still doesn't handle many players online. Skuzzy's modeling new crap and is asking for suggestions.
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
personally i hate to say this but. i think we are going to lose alot of blue boys to Pac fighter's Il2. The bigger inventory of Japanese and American planes will be alot more appealing to them then AH's. Also the fact that there will be alot more people in some rooms on hyperlobby than the CT i think will just make the CT die.
Have you played IL-2 on line? It is tough tough tough tough tough. I play so that when I come into AH my skills are honed a little better. Also as Arlo has stated you will never have the number of players that are possible in the CT. Oldman is right it will take a few months to sort it all out but sorted it will be.
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We have the P-38J Vs A6M5 right now....
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Originally posted by storch
Have you played IL-2 on line?
yes. got my bellybutton handed to me about 5 times online today and yesterday. i still AH CT is going ot lose alot of Hog Boys to Il2 Pac fighters. Just by looking at the screen shots i would think atleast P6e would be impressed. I am in awe about Il2's FM and gunnery. OM is right for now. AH has more cability than Il2 for the time being. Hyperlobby for all we know could upgrade along with pac fighters to allow more people in rooms.
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Skull
I have been watching ;)
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Originally posted by Arlo
- The camraderie within the H As will indeed bring CT players together. Hell ... even dipwads like Bear76 and DrWeevil may be able to overcome their genetic deficiencies. (Heh ... gdr)[/B]
Like I said, being a regular side switcher, I already knew the guys on both sides were pretty much all good guys before I joined the Hells Angels. I dont have any personal grudges against any CT player (no, not even Hawk despite how much I disagree with him on some issues), but before the Hells Angels, some of the Allied/Axis only guys did. I dont think they do now.
Now when Hells Angels members go to the CT and split up into their sides, even in a pitched battle, you know the guy on the other side alot better than before, and it doesnt become personal. Heck, I enjoy killing Hells Angels in the CT, its kinda like wrastlin' with your brother. That cant be anything but good for the CT.
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Originally posted by Rafe35
The VF-17 Jolly Rogers seem to about to be dead, because hardly no one in the squadron is on, but me and Arlo. Last Year was good old days, but this year? Blah.
I've actually tried to get on this month several times, but have always found the CT with around 10 players or so (haven't seen any squad members). The few hours I have logged are in the MA, but I just don't find it fun flying without the squad. I may just be flying at the wrong times though (verry little on weekends due to life, usually around 9-11pm EST on week days).
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Originally posted by Rafe35
The VF-17 Jolly Rogers seem to about to be dead, because hardly no one in the squadron is on, but me and Arlo. Last Year was good old days, but this year? Blah.
You know Rafe you are right about that VF-17 is basically dead. We have had several guys who for one reason or another haven't logged an hour of flight time in a long time. Many due to hardware, others due to moving and others due to increased work load and family.
For me it has been a combination of several things but thats not the focus of this thread. So let me get it back on focus.
Skull mentioned that he hates the Pac setups...well fine do like everyone else and don't play them because they aren't what you want to see. Its your $15 a month and I respect that but at the same time understand we are severly limited in the way we can put those same setups on.
Others have said they get tired of early war setups. So do I but I find they are fun for a change even though we are again severly limited in the planes and maps.
This is a transitional stage for AH and in this time we all need patience as things get hashed out. We as a CT Staff are working and trying to come up with new ideas and the Terrain team is doing all they can at the moment to revamp maps and have them available. So until we get new aircraft and a new terrain editor then we are stuck with what we have. There are other games available and they are what I break the monotony of AH with.
Hopefully we can help you guys through this time and see what happens in the future.
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I know that when Pacific Fighters gets rolling here in a few months it will be a purchase for me no matter what just because of the US Navy aircraft. For now I find myself gravitating towards Target Rabaul some and trying AH2 offline till I get comfortable with the new admin controls.
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Every couple of months I download Targetware to give it a try. I dont find it all that attractive, I dont know what it is, it just doesnt do it for me.
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Thinking of starting a recruiting drive, skipper. Gimmicks like:
- Join us and fly with a couple of other guys.
or
- In the Navy ... you can sail the seven seas. In the Navy ... you can live a life of ease.
or
- Why fly in a humongous squad where you can get lost in the crowd and squadmates don't know you exist for a year? Join us and be part of an intimate group. VERY intimate.
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Originally posted by Arlo
Thinking of starting a recruiting drive, skipper. Gimmicks like:
- Join us and fly with a couple of other guys.
or
- In the Navy ... you can sail the seven seas. In the Navy ... you can live a life of ease.
or
- Why fly in a humongous squad where you can get lost in the crowd and squadmates don't know you exist for a year? Join us and be part of an intimate group. VERY intimate.
how about starting with a new Avatard?:D
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For me its the lack of new aircraft that is reducing my enthusiasm for AH in general. Also the influx of of arcade style MA play that is the reason I left Fighter Ace and moved to AH and may be the reason I ultimately leave AH in search of something different. I don't mind playing twitch, shoot and captyre the flag/land games but only in the first person shooter mode occasionally and that is on games like Joint Operations and such.
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What has happened too the CT? Ayear ago the would be up to 50 people on a saturday night. Tonight there was 9. It has been like that for a while. If it hasn't already been done, maybe we should find out what it is that hve driven the people away.
Reschke is right on. Several others have answered this, but I will put in my two cents. It is not the CT, but Aces High. People are bored with the same plane set for 2 years! I remember seeing the MA with over 700, now over 400 is the tops. Several in my squad have left and gone to WWIIOL due to boredom. I came close myself. Still might if by the end of this year we don’t see some significant updates as in new AC, GV’s, eye candy, and game play additions/improvements.
It is not the CT, it is Aces High.
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