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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Minotaur on October 13, 2000, 09:07:00 AM
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I have have dealt with these things from 28k to the deck. An amazing machine. Seems to be able to turn and turn and turn and not lose very much E. It also climbs very well and zooms very well.
The Niki's nose will always be pointed at you or coming around on you.
It seems to accelerate out of 180 degree turns and gain on you.
You can't dive away from one.
How does every one else deal with this situation, of a Niki Co-Alt? Stay d3.0 away and not engage has been my only solution.
Niki on my six, I'm dead....
Thanks in advance! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
"Anyway, more golf..."
Humble
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Funny. I thought you were describing the Ki84. Perhaps HT made a mistake and called it the Kai-Shiden. As far as I know the Niki was not as fast as the Ki84.
fscott
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Whats funny is everyone complains about the Chog being uber (Only thing uber about it is guns, and its the same guns on Spit and Tiffy, Spit can boom and zoom, and turn , tiffy is fastest of the 3 under 15k) and yet the only plane that gives me personal heartburn is the Niki.
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 10-13-2000).]
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I have to agree Rip, while I get cold sweats from facing Spits and C-Hogs, it's the N1K that has my knees shaking most times. The N1K can swing that nose around fast, dive like a beast sometimes, and the 4*20mm option, while not as good as Hispano's can surely ruin your day fast when they hit.
Seems to be a lot of all 3 planes in the MA these days. The other night I flew and 80% of opponents were flying one of these 3 planes. I only saw 1 P38, a smattering of P51's, and a single yak all night.
Nice to see some Typhoons around again..
Soda
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Niki's best asset is acceleration, thus, they can catch any fast plane when that plane loses energy.
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Yeah... been LOTS of talk about the Niki in the last week. And the Typhoon for that matter. I don't get it. Is it not the same plane that's been flyin' in the arena since... well, a year now?
Seems to me these 'uber' complaints are cyclicle. What was the previous uber plane... the Yak? I can recal the La5 being the plane to fear... The 205 also? Of course, the Hog has always been on the list. It's been awhile now, but I can recal similar complaints against the pony, the 190 and the 109.
Are the FMs and guns of these AC changing on each TOD?
The Niki has quietly been doing its thing for a long time... and just now it's getting the 'Uber' label... With its pilots gettin' called dweebs.
You people are nuts (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Niki pilots - fear not... this will blow over, and soon some other plane (that has been here forever, with FM unnchanged) will be THE Uber plane, and y'all can fly in peace again. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Nash, I think it comes down to this, a fighter pilots ego.
One gets shot down, hates to admit that they screwed up or superior tactics were used, so they say "It was a Chog"..or whatever...
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Hehe Rip, yah... I tend to agree. Wouldn't you Zig? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Fear ME for I am the dealer of death.
I who brings the very sky down to earth with my fingers of death.
I pluck you from your heavenly perch and leave you a burning crumpled heap of metal and flesh on the very ground that I rule.
I fear no AC ...all are nothing compared to my UBER-Ostwind.
<tap><tap> Mr. Mighty1 it's time for your medication.
Bow to me for I am your Master!!
UH RIGHT! Mr. Mighty1 either you take you medication or it's back to the rubber room.
mommy
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Mighty1
The New Baby Harp Seals
"Come try to club THIS Seal"
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ROTFLOL !! A guy with your muscles and size, bet they had to use horse tranquilizer!
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Every plane has another couple which can give it a troubles. I never considered chog strong opponent, I did not checked my statistic against it, but remember that it gave me trouble very few times when I flied spit IX. Also, in spit I rarely had problems with p51. But when I switched to yak -- pony became a trouble for me. I do not believe in "uberness" of planes, it is pilots who uber, not planes.
Fariz
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Spits, Nikis are forgiving machines. I took my roomate and gave him a spit, after 1 consecutive hours of spins he was good enought to dogfight people and even put some bullets in them.
Watching him, I was impressed of what he could do (I flew P47 too long I think (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)). He was stalling top of loops or in turn and still being able to maintain directional control to where he wanted to go.
If he had been in a less forgiving plane, he would had spined and got shot down right after recovery.
Thus I believe that the airplane helps big time. Put a newbie in a Spit and he can survive, put an experimented pilot in it and u have a serial killer.
Flying the P47, my policy is something like that : Co-alt or higher spit, I give it a short try (like an initial pass or an evasive), and I see how the other pilot reacts. If he looks newbie I try to fight him. If he looks like knowing what he is doing (usually not always pointing nose back to you, but trying to pull a stunt), I do a hard turn toward his 6, shoot some bullets to scare him and dive away as fast as I can. The time he realizes(finishing his evasive), I'm 1.3k away.
But because off course they fly as fast as me and accelerate better, I usually end up dead if someone doesn't come bother him.
I don't want to take a niki myself and go Niki/Niki/Spit, I love P47 shape and I keep it as main ride. (Bone head).
I like the P47 and I like to turnfight, I have a real problem there (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) .I don't find interest in going to 25K, engage only lower targets, perform loops only, and don't go below 10K. I understand and respect people who are doing this, especially their patience, but for me the fun is to find a way to bleed the other guy E and shoot him down, even with a plane who turns less, climb less blahblahblah... you all know the P47 performances (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
My 2Cts, Salute all, have a great day!
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Nash: this is NOT the same niki. The only thing that remains is the artwork. The FM is a completly different beast. There has been SEVERAL fm changes through the game, and in the last one, the niki got its super fix.
I never complained much about F4U-C. I died to them only when I was stupid enough to go HO. But this niki is just TOO good for a P-38 pilot. The P-38 sucks now. Its performance relative to other planes in the arena is practically the same as back in 1.03. The niki is too good. Wanna see if I am lying? go to the TA and pick a niki. See how many kills you will get, then try your MAIN ride and see how many kills you get. You will get an unpleasant surprise.. getting more kills in a plane you never fly over a plane you KNOW better than the palm of your hand.
Still, with my P-38 I DO engage nikis, I KILL THEM, and then of course I TAUNT them.
No stupid paper plane is gonna ruin MY day, I will kill any of them that come across, or at least die along with him even if I have to ram him. Every niki pilot who faces me knows this (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
But you just cant deny it, the damn plane is too good. It does thing that are NOT historically accurate (maybe KI-84 is capable of those things)
Peace.
[animal]
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Animal,
Provide evidence/proof that it is doing things that are not historical.
If you are merely basing this on your personal experiences/desires regarding the P-38/N1K2 then please qualify your remarks as things that you feel are off.
You are aware that the US stopped P-38 development because it wasn't as good as the P-51 and P-47, right? Don't expect it to be an arena dominating aircraft.
Now, if you can provide actual data that says its modeled wrong, do so. Stop with the meaningless "Fix the P-38" messages.
Sisu
-Karnak
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The niki killed me 2x and got killed 6 x this tour by me in my p38. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Because i hate them hehehe
losing against them means a tactical error not a flying one.
the CHog is much worser got me killed about 12X and got killed 6X The FW-a8 got me about 5X while i never touched it. Damn focke warp
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Originally posted by Minotaur:
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How does every one else deal with this situation, of a Niki Co-Alt? Stay d3.0 away and not engage has been my only solution.
Niki on my six, I'm dead....
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Hmmm.....
Please stop the uber flame fest, this is not the intention of my thread. My apologies if my wording indicates this is my desire.
I am interested in tactics that will help me beat the N1K2 and that is all![/list]
I fly predominately US Iron with an occasional La5-FN or 190A5.
Thanks in Advance! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
"Anyway, more golf..."
Humble
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"Nash: this is NOT the same niki. The only thing that remains is the artwork. The FM is a completly different beast. There has been SEVERAL fm changes through the game, and in the last one, the niki got its super fix' - Animal
Ah, yer right about the FM changes. I just assumed the latest FM tweaks changed all the planes the same, relative to eachother. Could be that HTC is in error with the Niki..I honestly don't know.
I'm having trouble, though, in making sense of the part of your post where you attempt to demonstrate the Niki's uberness:
"But this niki is just TOO good for a P-38 pilot. The P-38 sucks now. Its performance relative to other planes in the arena is practically the same as back in 1.03. The niki is too good.
Paraphrased, you say the Niki is too good because the 38 sucks. Uhm... well, OK.
The Niki has always been a great ride. I think perhaps now its gettin' the attention it deserves. Like I said, it will pass (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Oops - sorry Mino. Between this post and the current ranting in the MA re the Niki, this was just a case of bad timing.
So... How do ya fight a Niki Co-Alt? Pretend it's a spit and fight accordingly.
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N1K2 vs 190A5: Drag him to the deck, gain distance and force him into a series of rolling scissors. Shaw's book as a good diagram of this. Use throttle to assist in forcing overshoots.
P51 vs N1K2: Run away, get alt advantage.
109F4 w/gondolas vs N1K2: You can pretty much dogfight him as you want with this setup, so I assume the single cannon F4 would be raping the N1K2.
All other planes, except spits n zeros, have a freaking wingman.
I've forced seperations when the N1K2 was only 300yds behind me in an La5FN and 190A5 and 109F4 w/gondolas to around 2.3K. Keeping your plane within his realm is what gets you killed.. and his realm is anywhere within 600yds of his airplane. What I like to do is force a quick series of reversals then extend. If all goes well, I'll eventually kill him.
Hope this is what you are looking for Mino.
-SW
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I flew the niki since first beta, there doesn't seam to be any FM change except the guns load out. The Niki cannot out run most any plane. The niki has some great advantages and disadvantages JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER PLANE! It's hardly "uber", Most good f4 pilots can easily kill a niki. Yaks,109's,la5's all seam to out turn the niki. Niki's roll rate is HORRIBLE, it's E retention is one of it's best features, but hardly THE top E retainer plane. It's lightweight airframe makes it fall prey to bullets pretty easy. In a sustained turn it holds E well, but climbs poorly. IMO, I think this dieing by Niki's is an Ego thing, for it surely isn't of the "uber" quality i am hearing.
It's more the pilot than it is the plane.
Second, if you noticed peoples learning curves are different, many of us have been here since day one, some of the "newer" pilots are just catching up in skills. Now to get a kill, we must dig deeper into OUR ownskill pocket.
NUTTZ
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Nikis overrated imho - this is my score against nikis:
BigUC has 13 kills and has been killed 5 times in the Spitfire Mk IX against the N1K2.
I've been flying about 3 weeks as a paying member? (no jokes please) + a few weeks back in beta - I found that u can always win a turnfight in spit vs. niki. (And they DO like to turn!)
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Whops- my post will make more (less) sense with this:
BigUC has 76 kills and has been killed 64 times in the Spitfire Mk IX.
My opinion: the best plane in AH is the one flown by the best pilot! Mitsu, Citabria, StSanta (u know who etc.) should fly using the keyboard! :-)
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Coalt Typhoon can handle N1K2 just fine. Although is does keep E well.
Tour 9 Stats in tiffy so far.
Wardog has 131 kills and has been killed 40 times in the Typhoon IB.
Dog out....
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I am not saying the P-38 sucks because the niki "rules".
I am just saying that the niki benefited more from the FM change than the P-38 (and almost every other plane)
In 1.03 the P-38 was a competent plane; not exceedingly good, but a good hunter. I once had a chat with HT late at night on the MA, back in 1.03, in wich he stated that the P-38 was the best plane if flown by a good pilot. Back in 1.03 P-38 and 109 pilots had to fight smart; bleed the enemy's E and then finish them off. It was hard but it was fun. You cant do this to a niki anymore. If you try to bleed his E, you will just end with no E yourself.
He probably meant that any plane is the best on the hands of a good pilot, but given the conversation, and a few other things he said, the true meaning of his statement was that the P-38 had advantages that were harder to exploit, but very good advantages. In other words, it needs a good pilot to fly a P-38 well in combat.
A Niki doesnt seem to require a good pilot at all, I have seen newbies who fly a few hours on the TA and become experts with the niki.
My "FIX THE P-38!!!" posts were KIDDING, this is MY FIRST serious post in the board. I try to be a playful and exagerated character in the game and here, most people know it. Its not like HT will EVER listen to me for anything in the game. I have no say whatsoever in this game, I only pay and fly. Thats it. But this is a social game, and if I want to say "THE P38 IS SUPPOSED TO TURN BETTER THAN THE ZERO AND FLY FASTER THAN THE PONY" you can think I am being serious and flame me, or just know I am joking. I have noticed many people in the AH who will take any opportunity to flame FELLOW players.
From now on I will shut up about the P-38. It seems that liking a plane can be enough to piss off other people. I really dont understand what is the problem between LW and ALLIED pilots. They seem to hate each other just for liking different planes. I want no part in this peeing contest.
I am gonna stop typing now; English is not my native language and I sometimes have trouble comunicating my ideas, and I am afraid someone might use that and quote contradictions or whatever just to try and make me sound stupid (I hate when people do that to someone)
With the outmost respect,
animal
p.s: I am out of the 'PROVE IT, PROOOOOOOOOOOOVE THE NIKI IS PORKED!!' debate. Soon another plane will come with better characteristics and everyone will move to that. I will stay in that big plane people hate so much, trying to be the best pilot in it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Karnak:
Animal,
Provide evidence/proof that it is doing things that are not historical.
If you are merely basing this on your personal experiences/desires regarding the P-38/N1K2 then please qualify your remarks as things that you feel are off.
You are aware that the US stopped P-38 development because it wasn't as good as the P-51 and P-47, right? Don't expect it to be an arena dominating aircraft.
Now, if you can provide actual data that says its modeled wrong, do so. Stop with the meaningless "Fix the P-38" messages.
Sisu
-Karnak
Karnak, for the most part the P-38 was dropped because they could crank out more P-51's, and cheaper. Not because it was that much of an inferior plane. Had the K model P-38 ever gone into production it'd be equal to better then the P-51, but you know the US government (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I've only seen data on the N1K1-Ja, but it's so different then the N1K2 I doubt it'd be very relavent. I do know the flap system is porked on the Geroge tho. I dunno if the information on the Geroge is based on the Japanese fuel or the US fuel, but that can make a drastic difference.
Rudder authority on the George does seem a little to good though...least I would think so...it has a very very small rudder.
- Jig
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Wow. Niki's ARE dangerous.. several of them at once are a freakin infestation. And I agree.. there are a lot more of them around lately. I think we need to bomb the factory again. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Best way to deal with 'em Mino is to keep him under you and at a lower e state. If he get's co-e yer lost unless u have a Spit or Yak.. I'll often turn him a few times then extend away if I miss the shots. They have fragile tails.. I usually try to pop 'em with B&Z snapshots till parts come off.. then I'll turn with him. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Good Luck!
Hang
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Hang,
If you were a woman (or highly gay) I'd marry you.
No, seriously, the niki in AH performs TOO WELL. If the Japanesse had the niki we have (and US teamwork tactics) we'd have small, lined eyes, and beautiful thin women (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
peace men.
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Well, the thing about the N1K is phantom e retention, Vvery good low speed handling on top of loops and the ability to break turn at will. Planes that should not have such a problem with the N1K would be true T&B'ers like the Spitfire.
For 190 drivers, it's a nightmare. The N1K can slowly turn, then just turn enough to spoil a shot, revrse zoom up and catch yoou. Bleeding a 190's e when you're in a N1K is very easy.
Against the 109G10, the procedure is the same, but the N1K will be on the defensive, quite easly avoiding any shots taken by the G10 pilot if this pilot is careful. If he forces the shot, he might get snapshots at the cost of a good deal of e. Shooting down N1K's in the 109 takes a good deal of time.
Like the Spit, the N1K is very good for people who like the HO approach both for offense and defense - point nose at enemy, get a 50/50 chance and force the enemy (if the pilot is smart) to waste e and position avoiding the HO. Unfortunately, like in the tsook, a rather large segment of pilots find this approach very enjoyable it seems.
Tshjook is still the uber ride of b&z'ers, followed by the Tiffie and P-51. Against a 109G10 co alt, the thsjook still dies, because it cannot outturn it, outrun it or outclimb it. It might live if it dives away and runs, using roll rate to maximize the difference between the thsjooks good high speed handling and the 109G10's very sucky one.
Something *seems* to be wrong with the FM of the N1K. I've come across so many of 'um, but only managed to down 9, and have died twice in the process. Oh well. N1K's in pre-1.04 were my favourite prey, now, they're annoying because they've removed some of the diversity there previously was.
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9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
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Actually Santa, in H2H there are a lot of very good 109 pilots, and flying against them in an F4U-1D has become one of my favourite fights (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) It's very much a game of tactics in order to get the 109 into a position where I can hit it, and I enjoy that. I think it's very easy to at least avoid 109s using this tactic.
N1Ks have terrible roll rate and not too good guns. In the D I just screw up their energy state with a few low-g barrel rolls and run (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I switch between the Yak-9U and La-5FN nowadays, and though the N1K2 is an aircraft to respect, I don't appear to have too much trouble with it anymore. Neither Soviet fighter can turn with it horizontally, but both can handle the N1K2 by e-fighting.
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What in the heck is a "tshjook"? I've been playing these games a while, and I've never heard that term. I take it this is some strange reference to the C-Hog? Where did you guys ever come up with that name?
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Lephturn - Chief Trainer
A member of The Flying Pigs http://www.flyingpigs.com (http://www.flyingpigs.com)
(http://tuweb.ucis.dal.ca/~dconrad/ahf/lepht.gif)
"My P-47 is a pretty good ship, she took a round coming 'cross the Channel last trip.
Just thinking 'bout my baby and lettin' her rip, always got me through so far."
- Steve Earl
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I am glad this discussion got off the flame and maime routine. WTG Gents! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
From what I know the of the N1K2-J it definately a "Late War Bird". I expect its performance to be very exceptional.
The N1K2 was a land based Naval, heavily armed, relatively light fighter with lots of Hp.
The N1K1 was derived from a floatplane as an air superiority fighter and a high altitude bomber interceptor (B-29). The N1K1 was a extremely complex A/C and consequently had many problems. A most notable design feature was a manuvering flap (on the wings leading edge) that would deploy automatically via a speed sensing device. This gave the N1K2 an exception turn rate at mediun and low speeds.
The N1K2 was derived from the N1K1, but was greatly simplied concerning complexity of the A/C and manufacture. Most noticable changes was that the N1K2 had a low wing vs mid wing design and much a shorter landing gear.
Additionally, the N1K2-Ja was able to carry 4 x 250kg bombs under wing or 6 x rockets under fuselage.
Power to weight comparisons:
- N1K2-J - 1990Hp 5858-10714lbs P/W = .34 - .19
- F4U-1 - 2000Hp 8873 - 14000lbs P/W = .23 - .14
- Spit IX(AH) - 1565Hp 5800 - 9500lbs P/W = .26 - .16
- 109K-4 - 2000Hp 4886 - 7937lbs P/W = .41 - .25
N1K2 advantages:
- 4 x 20mm cannon
- Very good climb rate and acceleration at lower altitudes
- Good climb rate at and acceleration high altitudes
- Very good endurance
- Very high turn rate at medium and low speeds
- Exceptional E retention
- Moderate roll rate up to medium speeds
- Exceptional dive and very stable zoom
- Moderate top speed
- Forgiving stall and spin characteristics
N1K2 dis-advantages:
- Slow rate of cannon fire with low velocity balistics
- Low high speed turn rate
- Very low high speed roll rate
- Low overall A/C toughness
My understanding is that the N1K2 suffers at high alt, but do not be mislead by this. It still has considerable performance being able to maintain climb rate with a P-51 and manuvers quite nicely at high alt.
My conclusion concerning fighting a N1K2 Co-Alt:
- Get it fast - moderate dive to 3O0-400mph
- Make it roll - scissor
- Keep G load moderate - low cannon ballistic speed
- Don't turn with it - suicide
- Be ready to bug out
I am really pleased 104 FM gave the N1K2 a more realistic and better FM.
However; it is still awefully frustrating for me and my low skill ACM ability to comprehend and defeat. I am often left doubting, did that machine beat me or did the pilot? This is just flat wrong thinking, so I go back to the basics and figure out how to beat both. For me the N1K2 is a very difficult nut to crack.
Please post your comments and thanks for the help! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
PS - My information states that the N1K2 climb to 19685ft (6000m) was 7.4 minutes.
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
"Anyway, more golf..."
Humble
[This message has been edited by Minotaur (edited 10-14-2000).]
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Observations from the golf course (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)....hmmm they messed with the FM on my titleist, it never turned that well before...whoops wrong topic.
Anyway , I think the underlying issue here is percieved expectations...what should a particular plane do. I'd expect any japanese ride to turn well and to accelerate quickly. I due feel the new FM seriously changed the nature of the game, maybe for better in long run. However, I'm still not convinced it's "right" yet. I don't see how some of the things I see are possible, although wells gave me some pretty reasonable answers on some of it. Bottom line is many of the planes don't perform as I'd expect them to. As for Nikki co alt, I was amazed at it ability to out perform yak in vertical, could come of gas and pull some G's right to zoom and top out over you with no problem. I didnt have same problem in Tiffie under 10k or so. Nikki only plane that can turn 180 and catch you in a zoom on merge. I'd say go for front aspect snap shots and try and keep nikki turning, only problem is 4 20mm on nikki make a mistake fatal if he gets nose around on you...now where did that damm ball go, need em to model a sea plane version (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Actually the N1K1-Ja and N1K2 kept the basic design, the major technical issue (that could be fixed) that plauged the N1K1 was the telescoping landing gear and the tiny rudder. The lowering of the wing removed the complex gear system (wing was not changed, oil cooler was moved, flarings were kept, I've heard that it had barely any change on flight characteristics), and a full length rudder that resolved the torque issues on take off.
Flap system was the same though, automatic based on speed (and I think G loading is mixed in there too) They weren't leading edge though, those would be slats. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
- Jig
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Lephturn:
thsjook is my derogatory name for the chog - itĝ's how I pronounce it, and I spit a lot when I do so (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
Duma, while the N1K has a worse roll performance than the F4UD, it is still better than the G10. When fighting chogs, I either z&b them outta the sky, or saddle up for the ride. The difference in roll rate can make this tricky, but with some careful maneuvering, I am mostly succesfull. As long as I do not overshoot, the superior engine of my 109 can keep me in a lag pursuit and away from his guns. I can also disenagage at will, spiral climb and pounce again. Very enjoyable (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
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Thanks StSanta,
As long as it wasn't some way to slam my beloved Jug without me knowing. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Oink!
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Lephturn - Chief Trainer
A member of The Flying Pigs http://www.flyingpigs.com (http://www.flyingpigs.com)
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"My P-47 is a pretty good ship, she took a round coming 'cross the Channel last trip.
Just thinking 'bout my baby and lettin' her rip, always got me through so far."
- Steve Earl
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Mino said:
My understanding is that the N1K2 suffers at high alt, but do not be mislead by this. It still has considerable performance being able to maintain climb rate with a P-51 and manuvers quite nicely at high alt.
Nope
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/charts/p51dclimb.gif)
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/charts/n1k2climb.gif)
And the N1K2 looks even worse when compared to the real high-altitude specialists:
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/charts/p47d30climb.gif)
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/charts/p38lclimb.gif)
Speed charts are even uglier. N1K2 is 60-80 mph slower than these US planes at 25k.
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 10-15-2000).]