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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on July 26, 2004, 11:42:09 AM
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Shouldn't surprise anyone except those with their heads in the sand...
Is The New York Times a Liberal Newspaper?
By DANIEL OKRENT
Published: July 25, 2004
OF course it is.
The fattest file on my hard drive is jammed with letters from the disappointed, the dismayed and the irate who find in this newspaper a liberal bias that infects not just political coverage but a range of issues from abortion to zoology to the appointment of an admitted Democrat to be its watchdog. (That would be me.) By contrast, readers who attack The Times from the left - and there are plenty - generally confine their complaints to the paper's coverage of electoral politics and foreign policy.
I'll get to the politics-and-policy issues this fall (I want to watch the campaign coverage before I conclude anything), but for now my concern is the flammable stuff that ignites the right. These are the social issues: gay rights, gun control, abortion and environmental regulation, among others. And if you think The Times plays it down the middle on any of them, you've been reading the paper with your eyes closed.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/25/weekinreview/25bott.html?pagewanted=all&position
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Then why did you post it?
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That did it, I'm canceling my subscription.
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Originally posted by hawker238
Then why did you post it?
To generate conversation from the naysayers that posted in threads such as this:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=118267&referrerid=3203
and this:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/defaultframe.html
and this:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=105816&referrerid=3203
Want more examples?
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So what does this mean ... aside from the refreshing honesty?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
So what does this mean ... aside from the refreshing honesty?
What does it mean to you, besides refreshing honesty? If a man admits a murder, does that make him less guily of the crime? ;)
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Originally posted by midnight Target
So what does this mean ... aside from the refreshing honesty?
That the NYT is a left biased and thus unreliable source of news. But fine if you are liberal and to want hear things you agree with.
It's a left wing rag.
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Do you always aswer a question with a question? Are you equating liberalism to murder? Are you nuts?
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Fortunatly Fox news and the Washington Time still are neutral and unbiased :p
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Are you equating liberalism to murder?
Actually that comparsion is even more ridicouls than the nonexistant analogy you are alluding to.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Do you always aswer a question with a question? Are you equating liberalism to murder? Are you nuts?
Why bring up Abortion? That is a separate issue...
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Actually that comparsion is even more ridicouls than the nonexistant analogy you are alluding to.
If a man admits a murder, does that make him less guily of the crime?
Reading is fundamental.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Reading is fundamental.
It's also a skill unmastered by far more on the left than the right.
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Actually gents,the Post AND the NYT BOTH took Kerry under there wing in a meeting to help him make a better impression before he started running.It was in NY and shows where the Post stands.We allready knew NYT was liberal.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Do you always aswer a question with a question? Are you equating liberalism to murder? Are you nuts?
Im a right wing nut job. I equate liberalism to murder.
I think abortion is murder so that says it all....
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Originally posted by AKIron
It's also a skill unmastered by far more on the left than the right.
Based on the readership of the NYT, compared to say..... the Washington Times, I'd say you were mistaken.
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Sorry MT. But that doesnt fly.
Its beyond abusrd that you take that as some general analogy. You know that, or at least you should.
But of course, as usual you are trying to minimize the importance of the satement, or at least deflect the discussion to something else entirely.
But back on topic.
One of the nations most important newspapers basically admits to open political bias and preference of certain viewpoints and you simply shrug it off as nothing of importance.
Funny coming from a person, you, who made such a big deal about the credibilty of news sources in recent discuissions...
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Not all that read the NYT are lefties but I'll concede that NYC is left of center.
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Go look up 'analogy' Grun... then get back to me.
Rip's analogy meant exactly this :
If admitting liberal bias is refreshing than admitting murder is less guilty.
No analogy there... no sir. <--- this is sarcasm
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^^^^^^^^^^
(http://www.funnysign.com/funnysign/054_beyond.jpg)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
What does it mean to you, besides refreshing honesty? If a man admits a murder, does that make him less guily of the crime? ;)
No MT.
The point he made was that admitting guilt does not make you less guilty. That was only an analogy to the paper's admission of bias.
But I understand that you need to obfuscate the issue by inventing some sort of non existant analogy of murder to liberaloism because quite simply this is an embarrasing artyicle for you whjo made such a crusade abiyt criticizing the vakidty of news sources... You need to deflect the discussion.
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The US media is generally corporate in bias, not "liberal". This is blindingly obvious to everyone on the planet except "conservative" americans apparently.
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Originally posted by Momus--
The US media is generally corporate in bias, not "liberal". This is blindingly obvious to everyone on the planet except "conservative" americans apparently.
Of course, you could be wrong too ;)
While most of the journalists, like many Americans, describe themselves as "moderate," a far higher number are "liberal" than in the general population
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000517184
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Originally posted by Momus--
The US media is generally corporate in bias, not "liberal". This is blindingly obvious to everyone on the planet except "conservative" americans apparently.
Plenty of those in your "generally" that are clearly left of center. Only the liberals can't see that.
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Originally posted by hawker238
Then why did you post it?
In the hopes that imbeciles like yourself might wake up... it is wishful thinking Grun
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Rip posted it, not me. :)
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Well...nothing surprising about this. It's hardly a revelation.
The NYT can print whatever it wants. They're in the business of selling newspapers. The liberal slant they give to their coverage undoubtedly sells well in New York and on the east coast. However, this should cause any thinking person to question their pretensions of credibility, since the editors make little attempt to present arguments from the right in a fair and balanced format.
Fortunately the right has it's own newspapers and news networks. Nonetheless, the last study or poll that I can remember indicated that the vast majority of the employees of the mass media in this country profess to having liberalistic or Democratic sympathies.
I've always wondered how this could possibly happen accidental. If true, I find that to be disturbing. I'm not a conspiracy freak, but I find 80% to be outside the realm of random chance. Apparently, the same situation exists on many of our college campuses where, according to other sources, the vast majority of professors also are liberal and Democratic. In a previous thread about this topic, someone made the statement that Democrats were more interested in education and being involved with shaping the lives of college students.
Balderdash. Are we to believe that such fierce nobility and self-subsuming purpose belong solely to the left? I think not. Apparently, the left has made moves to undercut the possibility of a level playing field in the press and in our institutions of higher educaiton.
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I wouldn't expect you to get it Rippy. Just because a lot of "liberals" work in the media doesn't mean the message put across is liberal in nature. The workers might be "liberal" by your or anyone else's definition, but the owners, proprieters and advertisers are all corporate-conservative in nature and they are the ones who set the news agenda.
Plenty of those in your "generally" that are clearly left of center. Only the liberals can't see that.
Whatever. The Liberal media myth is a smoke and mirrors job based on out of date and out of context surveys that draw the faulty conclusion that since there are a lot of liberals in the media, they must be putting forward a liberal message. Maybe the myth has become so pervasive that even "liberals" half believe it these days, who can say?
If you're genuinely interested in the issue, please read this paper (http://www.csfi.org.uk/Corporate%20state%20report.pdf), research the credentials of the author and the folk who commisioned it if need be then come back and comment.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
That the NYT is a left biased and thus unreliable source of news. But fine if you are liberal and to want hear things you agree with.
It's a left wing rag.
Hmmm... are you stating that a paper that has a right bias is more reliable?
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I read half of it just now, no political bias there. :rolleyes:
Originally posted by Momus--
I wouldn't expect you to get it Rippy. Just because a lot of "liberals" work in the media doesn't mean the message put across is liberal in nature. The workers might be "liberal" by your or anyone else's definition, but the owners, proprieters and advertisers are all corporate-conservative in nature and they are the ones who set the news agenda.
Whatever. The Liberal media myth is a smoke and mirrors job based on out of date and out of context surveys that draw the faulty conclusion that since there are a lot of liberals in the media, they must be putting forward a liberal message. Maybe the myth has become so pervasive that even "liberals" half believe it these days, who can say?
If you're genuinely interested in the issue, please read this paper (http://www.csfi.org.uk/Corporate%20state%20report.pdf), research the credentials of the author and the folk who commisioned it if need be then come back and comment.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Hmmm... are you stating that a paper that has a right bias is more reliable?
Obviously! ;)
Of course not. Thanks on asking for the clarification!
It highlights for me how hillarious it is watching MT downplay this admission of NYT coverage bias after his recent tirade against biased and unreliable news sources.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Hmmm... are you stating that a paper that has a right bias is more reliable?
Reliable? The left and right both have their biases and agendas. I just happen to believe that the right wing's agenda is more likely to ensure the long term survival of our freedom and prosperity. At the core of the right wing is the fundamental belief that while everyone should have equal opportunity this does not mean that everyone should be guaranteed a comfortable lifestyle or even a minimum standard of living. Rather, it means that everyone willing to work for it should have an opportunity to realize the "American Dream".
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Obviously! ;)
Of course not. Thanks on asking for the clarification!
It highlights for me how hillarious it is watching MT downplay this admission of NYT coverage bias after his recent tirade against biased and unreliable news sources.
I'm glad you are so easily amused.
If the Washington Times or some other right wing paper came out and said they were biased I would say exactly the same thing I said here....
"Other than the refreshing honesty........"
Wake up Grun. I think you need your coffee.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
If the Washington Times or some other right wing paper came out and said they were biased I would say exactly the same thing I said here....
MT mode:
So you are saying the Washington Times is just as credible and reliable as the New York Times?
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Now who is commenting on a non-existant analogy?
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At the core of the right wing is the fundamental belief that while everyone should have equal opportunity this does not mean that everyone should be guaranteed a comfortable lifestyle or even a minimum standard of living.
And I would wager that the largest bone of contention between the two camps is whether or not everyone is getting an "equal" opportunity. How do you define equality of opportunity?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Now who is commenting on a non-existant analogy?
I just did the same thing as you did to Rip's post, heck I even said it was MT Mode. Perfect response! Its nice to see that we agree how you made up a non existant and uniintended analogy.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
In the hopes that imbeciles like yourself might wake up... it is wishful thinking Grun
Thank you for that striking example of maturity, Bodhi.
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OK, since you didn't have your coffee I'll help you out.
1. My response to Rippy was sarcasm. Asking if he always responded to questions with questions using nothing but questions... get it?
2. Refreshing honesty... is lib speak for "No Duh!"
3. I would say "No Duh! to the Washington Post too. If they had the honesty to admit they were Moonies.
Added for your enjoyment...
Admitted liberal newspapers are more reliable than those that hide their biases, simply because they are not trying to hide anything.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Admitted liberal newspapers are more reliable than those that hide their biases, simply because they are not trying to hide anything.
And with that thought, I don't care if their editors are left or right, I care about the bias of the reporting. Therefore, it is up to each and everyone of us to listen to all aspects of the news from various sources, digest the stories thoroughly, and sort out the lies from the truth. Just happens that more reporters are now "lying" in their bias stories from the left and being caught lately...;)
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Originally posted by banana
And I would wager that the largest bone of contention between the two camps is whether or not everyone is getting an "equal" opportunity. How do you define equality of opportunity?
By simply enforcing the current discrimination laws.
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Originally posted by AKIron
By simply enforcing the current discrimination laws.
So, as long as current discrimination laws are enforced, everyone currently has an equal opportunity at succeeding in America?
I wish I could agree with you that that were true.
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I guess we could debate what "equal opportunity" is without end. Socialism, in time, will reduce us all to the level of the lowest common denominator, imo. The left/liberals are much closer to that than the right.
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you are all ghey.
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OK whats the catch?