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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: OHIO on June 07, 2001, 10:11:00 AM
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Fellow Warriors:
I'm considering a move from AWmv to Aces High, I was wondering if any of you could tell me some pro's and con's about A/H vs Air War, A little back ground on me, I flew on AOL AW2 and AW3 for 3 years and I was the Squad CO of 1st*STRIKE*BlackWidow's, and a former Widow Maker, now I fly a little on GS and EA and I hate to say it, but I would rather go back to the aol's 1.99hr than put up with some of the junk thats going on at EA's Romper Room style arena's. So please if any of you know me or ever flew on aol please send me some Info on A/H.
OHIO a.k.a. The Big Buckeye
[ 06-07-2001: Message edited by: OHIO ]
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Old Warrior head here from Dos days, so my comments relative to todays AW3 is meaningless, however, I will say that the learning curve may be alittle steeper for one transgressing from sims that I used to fly, such as EAW, WB's, to here. Stay with it a min. of 3 weeks, and you'll adjust.
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Rip: Thank you for the info, nice web site, I'll look forward to down loading A/H unless there's a box set running around?
OHIO
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2 free intial weeks... use them to decide. If your having problems with flight models fly a Niki or Spit. The game has some great people who will help you if you need assistence.
xBAT
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OHIO, thks for complements, GIJeff made the site.
No box version of AH around, but the download is relatively small, (27 meg today?)
Look us trainers up anytime, we're always willing to help transition any squad/pilot over. 1 hour in the TA can give you a wealth of information about the sim, in's and outs, things to be aware of, etc.
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18MB, but to get good qaulity sounds rather than defaults it comes out to about 26-30MBs.
-SW
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Ohio, the list as to how and why AH surpasses AW:MV is long one. One that transends just the software itself ;)
The really good thing is you can try AH for free - zip, nada, zilch - fora full two weeks to see for yourself.
-Westy
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ptMAW here from aw3 big pac . don't come here too long if your planning to go back to AW3 . Aces will spoil you and you won't be able to go back .IMO AH is the best online sim out there . Join the KNIGHTS though :D
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Howdy OHIO,
Just made the move myself after 4 - 5 years of AW. I few RR most of the time (as +HMR+ of the =GHOSTS=, we got along well with you window washers er widow makers :p ) , FR for about the last year.
If you are interested in FR type environment, then AH is the place to be. AW FR has dried up to the point where it is unusual to see more than 30 or 40 people in there in the evenings. If RR is for you, AH doesn't have one!
Graphics in AH blow AW away easily. Not a real pilot so I can't comment on flight models but I will say some of the obviously wrong things from AW can't happen in AH.
If early war planes are your thing, AH doesn't have many at this time. Late war planes are well represented in AH. More planes are being added all the time, unlike AW, and the hope of many is for some early war types.
If cost is a factor, AW is still a bargain at $10 a month, but you get what you pay for.
Just my thoughts so far. Hope it helps.
HaMmeR
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There are a lot of areas where AH clearly surpasses AW, a few areas where AW exceeds AH, and some areas where it's anybody's call.
Being years newer, Aces High sports better graphics and true 3D cockpits. The 3D cockpits are especially nice because they allow players to adjust default head positions to see around obstacles, like real pilots would do.
Aces High sounds are customizable, and there are some wonderful sound packs out there to replace the mediocre default sounds.
Aces High's flight model definitely beats Air Warrior's. It models a number of forces not present in AW -- torque, for instance -- and ballistics are the most realistic of any online flight sim.
Aces High allows different convergence settings, numerous bomb loadouts, various gun packages, fuel tanks, and more. Choices here also clearly affect the handling properties of the individual planes.
On the other hand, AW costs only $10/month vs. $30/month for AH. Is Aces High three times better than AH? That's for you to decide after trying it out for a couple of weeks.
Air Warrior also supports user customizable plane and terrain textures via SAC, a wonderful feature for scenarios.
What we can't judge are the intangibles. Is Aces High more fun than Air Warrior? Again, that's for you to decide after playing it for awhile. Which game has the better community? Again, that's for you to decide. Some have noted that the AH community seems quick to jump on newcomers and generally behaves badly. Frankly, I haven't seen this, and the community here has always been absolutely wonderful to me -- even helping me out when my throttle broke (thanks again Schnell!). Air Warrior obviously has a storied history with a large and active community as well. Which is better? Your call after some time here as well.
Hope that helps. :)
-- Todd/+Dead/DMF
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Come on over Ohio, simply AH is a superb game. The handful of people at HTC offer 10 times the support and focus on their game than AW gets from massive sized EA. AH is what AW could have been.
And don't worry about the whole RR/FR thing from AW...it was all RR compared to AH. Take the basic ACM/SA lessons learned there and grow them. Put the time in, the results will come :)
Hornet
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I was a very dedicated AW player for 5 years. The advent of Aces High offered so much more to me as a sim combat pilot, I found that I could not fly AW anymore and have a good time flying it.
To sum it up:
AW=dud AH=STUD!
MiG
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but i only pay $10.00 a month for aces :D
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OHIO,
The Cactus Air Force has made the move from AW to AH. The CAF has been in AW for about 8 years, and I have been flying AW for 7. AH a great game and it is well run. Great customer support. There are some bad habbits to unlearn from AW, but the experiance has been fun. Give the 2 week trial a go and see how you like it. Good luck with the move, I know how hard it to keep a squad together to make a transition like this.
Gunner <CAF>
CO, Cactus Air Force
[ 06-07-2001: Message edited by: GunnerCAF ]
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I started with Air Warrior MV in January and played that about 3 months before taking a month off and then starting Aces High just 3 days before the end of May. All through May I had both AW and AH and could and did make direct comparisons. The biggest difference is the immersion. Since (for online flight simming) I had grown accustomed to Air Warrior, I was literally blown away by Aces High when I first tried it. AH graphics on my 1.3 Ghz are incredible compared to what I had gotten used to with AW. It is more like real terrain rather than a painted billiard table with a few peaks. This combined with the excellent aircraft models and art made a HUGE difference when I would go back to AW after getting ued to AH. As far as the flight models, at first I thought AH too wobbly. But after getting used to the Aces High flight models and going back to try AW, the AW flight models now seemed too rigid and like flying on rails. I knew they weren't great, but now they seemed incredibly bad. (I think if you get used to one FM over the other the other's differences will seem magnified.) The big kicker is that by March the numbers in AW were dwindling and by May Air Warrior seemed dead and I literally felt there should be tumbleweeds blowing by. With Aces High, there is much more action occuring and the action varies...it feels more like "war." I remember the first time flying along and seeing a Task Group shelling coastal targets, or the first time I saw the sun go down. Impressive and immersive. The tracers took a little bit getting used to, but it didn't take long and now it's what I prefer. I really think you have to try it and make up your own mind. Then you should feel good knowing you've made an educated decision whatever that may be. The only drawback really is that Aces High will be new to you and won't feel comfortable at first. You will have a learning curve and don't get discouraged if you find yourself getting shot down a lot. Don't give up.
I assume like most people you want online combat to fight other human opponents. This is where the action is and overall...the suspension of disbelief is much greater here. My biggest gripe with AH would be how easy it is to take a base and reset the map. It seems as though a reset occurs almost every other day or less! I only remember seeing a couple resets when flying AW but being a Knight I'm seeing them first hand about every other day.
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OHIO and HMR hiyas! good to see you here. the first thing you will notice here is a community of people who know lots about aircraft and flight modeling. the competition is a lot steeper, and so is the learning curve.
You'll notice a better performance of aircraft here then in AW, and you'll also come up in general against stiffer competition IMHO. flight modeling is much better, the graphics are great, roger wilco instead of vox etc etc. You'll also notice a lot of us old hands from AW are here.
I for instance am in vatis' squad, mostly a mix of former air warriors, and some AH participants from the beta days.
Download AH and give it a try. Most of us think it's worth the money to participate here. carriers, field gunners, ship gunners, panzer tanks, ostwinds, and PT boats give the game a nice diversity. andddddddddddddd LOL remember to log on and select Bishops as your country <G> the flying circus welcomes all :D
Hajo
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The connects to AH are wonderful!! Just ping it. The main reason I left AW was the connect.
Customer service is far superior also. We of AH are a bunch of spoiled simmers :D Great graphics,great connects,great customer service, and a sim that is just plain getting better and better as time passes!!
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This is a really nice post :D
AH is currently top of the line when it comes to online sims.
And with the everlasting developement of the game, it will be hard to beat.
:cool:
Lasse
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Ohio..Just do the 2 week free trial and decide.I have flown AH for about 4-5 months now and like it pretty much.It is not perfect but one of the best available now.WB is the other,especially WB3, when ready in the future.AH pretty much offers something to everyone,but the bias has shifted a bit towards fighter action IMO.H2H is a blast in AH.We regurarly use it for squad training to improve our performance(I haven't noticed any on mine ;))...Jump in and test is my advice Ohio.
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Originally posted by OHIO:
[OHIO a.k.a. The Big Buckeye[/QB]
Are you the same OHIO that was in the 19th on AW?
I think there are more people in AW that know ACM than in AH. AW is not getting new customers and most of the guys who are left can fly well. There are many people in AH who will Head-on and then flat turn on the merge, you don't see that too much in AW :)
Of course AH is much more advanced and is just a better game than AW. You should join us. The main adjustments for the AW pilot:
1. Head ons! This will bug the hell out of you until you get used to avoiding it.
Once you learn to lead loop/lead turn on the HO dweebs you will be looking forward to someone trying it.
When someone with alt attacks pulling up to force a HO merge is usually unsafe in AH. Most AH people will split-S when attacked from above. I think this one reason AH fights end up on the deck faster than AW fights.
2. Collisions! If you don't go HO this will not be a problem, as long as you remember not to 'run people through' when diving on them like you can in AW.
3. Black outs are easier to manage in AH than AW. All you have to do is release pressure on the stick and the black out will lift. The black outs are much more gradual and you can also still turn when blacked out.
4. AH has trim, but you don't need to mess with it if you don't want to. Trim is useful for pulling up when compressed in dives, but once you learn the auto speed command you can also use that also to pull out.
5. AH seems more smooth when the planes are close than in AW. This means that forcing an overshoot and scissors technique is a more useful tactic in AH than AW.
6. Relative plane performance is pretty much the same with some small differences. Hellcats have a nasty stall, N1K2s turn better but are a bit slower, F4u climbs slower.... stuff like that.
7. Whiners. You might think that the high price of AH would reduce the number of people who are squeaky about getting shot down, but I don't think it does. I got accused of cheating on my second day :)
I advise you to learn the basic commands offline and in free HTH before you sign up for two weeks.
Welcome :)
Montezuma -{Shillelagh}
[ 06-08-2001: Message edited by: Montezuma ]
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OHIO;
AH is simply a cut above! Main reason IMHO, is that the people at HTC truly care about their product! Is it perfect? No but what is! Is it what EVERYONE wants/ expects? No... Oh well! You simply can't be all things to all people.
It is a significantly harder game to get used to. A lot of the old AW habits have to be discarded, and beleive me UN-learning something is HARD! The flip side to that is the rewards are higher as a result.
Immersion factor- No comparison. I still marvel at the sunsets, the sunrises, the stars coming out and so on. The terrain is way better, the carriers look like carriers and on and on the list goes. Visually there is NO comparison.
Of course there is room for improvement but here in AH you can actually expect fixes and changes on a regular basis (2 weeks pretty much means 2 weeks)!
I flew AW in the late '80s for a while, flew again early mid '90s, and yet again in late 2000- up until the EA fiasco. I'm MUCH more satisfied with AH!!
As many have said, and I agree, AH is harder- DON'T get discouraged. The 2 week free trial is a start, but you can't expect to really get a handle on the game in that amount of time... give it at least a month or so.
Damned Augie
[ 06-08-2001: Message edited by: Augie ]
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Warrior's!
Thank you for all your in-put, I will down load the game tonight and work with it a little off line before i take to the skys.
I look forward to seeing you guys next weekend, I also have contacted some of Air Warrior Vet's to come over and check A/H out. They should be hitting the boards anytime now.
Now, were's my "caution! Student Flyer on Board!" bumper sticker at???????
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Originally posted by GunnerCAF:
OHIO,
The Cactus Air Force has made the move from AW to AH.
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Gunner <CAF>
CO, Cactus Air Force
[ 06-07-2001: Message edited by: GunnerCAF ]
Hummm....I'm not sure if this rate as a "plus" for AH or AW :)
Hiya Gunner...how ya doing?
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I think AH could learn a couple of things from AW.Check my Gameplay Forum post..<S!>