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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hawklore on July 27, 2004, 01:18:37 PM
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Ok, I'm not Anti-War, nor am I by any means Pro-Terroist, or Extremist Muslim.
But, I have recently thought that one, under extreme conditions, and fine lines, could call George W. Bush on waging Genocide on the Terroists, or Extremist Muslims.
Websters dictionary defines Genocide as,
:the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group
Now, my dad said that I was running on a very very thin line, and I don't think that line is that thin, although there are definatly good denials of this, I belive, in the long run, thats what he is doing, wrong? Not when it protects the people of the World, and future generations of our children to come.
Is there any logic in my theory?
And God forbid this becomes a rant and rave thread.
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Originally posted by Hawklore
And God forbid this becomes a rant and rave thread.
Accusing GWB of committing genocide in any form is gonna start a flamefest...but I think you know that already. ;)
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I think maybe you have your analogy completely backwards.
I don`t know about the "thin line", but that cracking sound you hear is the breaking of thie thin ice you`re standing on.
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I'm not accusing bringing up an issue which I have been struggling over..
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I think in the "purest" sense of the word, what GWB is doing could be considered genocide.
However, in this case the group being persecuted is also trying to do the same to us.
So in the end it all works out.
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If you want to bring the term genocide to that pure of forum and description, then I've committed genocide myself when I had a vesectomy. millions and millions of potential babies are now just sterile swimmers, with no world to grow up in, only to die a miserable death outside the body once ejaculation takes place.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
If you want to bring the term genocide to that pure of forum and description, then I've committed genocide myself when I had a vesectomy. millions and millions of potential babies are now just sterile swimmers, with no world to grow up in, only to die a miserable death outside the body once ejaculation takes place.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl thanks for doing th world a huge favor:lol
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You were just kidding, right Rip? I mean, I wouldn't want to hurt your feelings......
:rofl
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Hawklore....re: genocide
Ya know I am going to take you at your word and try to help.
Any time your mind begins to think about genocide and gwb, remember the picture of 2 large buildings falling.People jumping to their deaths instead of burning,mothers never seeing their little ones growing up.People torn and ripped apart.
Think of perfect strangers running up the stairs to help fellow human beings,not knowing their color,religion,where they are from nothing, and dieing in the process.
Then find some pictures of the jews and what some europeans did to them and others. Little kids weighing 30 pounds growen men weighing 85 pounds,13 year old girls experamented on for medical reasons with nothing to stop the pain.Think about 3 million cambodeans killed for no reason. Think about a million blacks today being killed in the sudan because the arabs say they are an inferior race.Understand these people you are afraid gwb is committing genocide against are at this moment buying and selling blacks as slaves.
If after this you still see anything equal between the two [ [maybe you may even see the bravery both bush and blair have show in the face of a ungratefull world] Then I subment to you you and your father are no better than a dung heap the flies even stay away from.
Think about it.
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Yall think I'm attacking GWB, I'm just brining up the Issue..
I belive the fight on Terroism is all for the good, and by no means am I condeming GWB, I was just brining up the Issue.
By no means is he actually commiting Genocide, but some, who are hateful to our country, or the war on terrosim, could see it as that.
Do not attack me nor my father demaw1 I merely stated I was brining up an issue, and asked for you to consider it.
Modas has byfar seen my light, as for the rest I fear have taken it as a threat, and that I condemd GWB.
Demaw1, I fear for you, you call me, in my own mind, unpatriotic, unhuman, and uncaring, which by any means I am none of that, I am, Human, Caring, and by the most Patriotic.
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:the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group
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ya so?
If a political group called AQ, flys airliners into the two towers and GeeDubya sends the soldiers out to do some good old fashioned "genicide" per your definition, what could possibly be wrong with that?
BTW, AQ is a political group that transcends race and culture.
If its called Genocide and it kills AQ then it is a DAMNED GOOD THING.
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Originally posted by Yeager
:the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group
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ya so?
If a political group called AQ, flys airliners into the two towers and GeeDubya sends the soldiers out to do some good old fashioned "genicide" per your definition, what could possibly be wrong with that?
BTW, AQ is a political group that transcends race and culture.
If its called Genocide and it kills AQ then it is a DAMNED GOOD THING.
I'm not saying AQ isn't commiting Genocide, yall just can't see the light.
Funny how peoples minds are forced into looking at it one way, and not open mindly.
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If Kerry gets elected will you entertain the same genecide questions when he fights terrorism by killing terrorists? Or do you expect that with Dems in office we will just by default lay down and ask for mercy and forgivness and allow the genecide of americans...
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Originally posted by 1K0N
If Kerry gets elected will you entertain the same genecide questions when he fights terrorism by killing terrorists? Or do you expect that with Dems in office we will just by default lay down and ask for mercy and forgivness and allow the genecide of americans...
Of course I'd bring it up when Kerry is in office, anyone in office fighting terroism and targetting the Extremist Muslim Terroists at the moment , or any other religious Terroist group. could fall under genocide, god your people are such idiots.
:rolleyes:
Except Modas, cause he seemed to take my post lightly as it was intent to be..
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Okay Hawk..I'll play.
First of all we need to define some terms.
Is it a genocide being perpetrated against terrorists or extremist musilms?
Once we establish which we need to go back to Websters and figure out exactly which category of "a racial, political, or cultural group" that answer fits into, if indeed it does.
What EXACTLY is a racial, political group or cultural group according to the book of words?
I don't have a Websters dictionary here, they are all the Oxford variety here in the colonies. ;)
Racial seems pretty straightforward, but the other two are pretty wide "catch all" terms.
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Originally posted by Hawklore
Of course I'd bring it up when Kerry is in office, anyone in office fighting terroism and targetting the Extremist Muslim Terroists at the moment , or any other religious Terroist group. could fall under genocide, god your people are such idiots.
:rolleyes:
Hey tard your question wasn't that bright, I just questioned the motive for your question, I figured you as a liberal looking for another reason to hate bush...ehhhh...
IKON
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hawk I see what you are trying to say. All you are trying to do is bring up an interesting debate as to wether by terms of definition GWB is commiting genocide.
If you consider AQ a political group then yes it would fit the definition.
I don't consider AQ a political group because they are terrorists. They want nothing more than to get media coverage and kill the infidel.
NOW with that said if AQ is a political group it is one that waged war. In WWII the nazis were a political group and we killed them because we were at war with them.
There's more to just genocide than killing people in one of those categories......you have to have an unjustifiable or evil reason for doing so.
The other difference is if AQ decided it was not in their best interests to persue terrorists we would cease to seak them out and kill them. With the exception of wanted criminals and such.
That is what separates the good from evil in this equation.
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Hawklore....re: attack...
I said I took you at your word,I did. I in no way attacked you or your father. I showed you the true difference between genocide,what the word meant in human suffering. I think if you read my post slow you would see that.I was trying to show you words.mean something.
EXAMPLE; If you say bush is a butcher as stalin was,[ as is being said.] than when another stalin comes along what are you going to call him.If you use a very discriped word on everything after a while you can use it on nothing because it has lost it meaning.
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Originally posted by Hawklore
god your people are such idiots.
:rolleyes:
Classic. :D
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Originally posted by slimm50
You were just kidding, right Rip? I mean, I wouldn't want to hurt your feelings......
:rofl
Imagine what a great country this would be in 200 years if the next generations came from teh depths of my groin!
No more overweight...good genetics, life expectancy of 92 yrs., and SLIGHT RIGHT OF CENTER POLITICALLY SPEAKING!
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He never asked if he was commiting evil. He asked if he was commiting genocide.
The answer is an easy no. Its not the death sentence for any alquida members caught. They go to jail. Get interogated, stay in jail, get let free..etc.
So its not automatic death to be in alguida or an extremist muslim. Its just war baby.
Easy question.
Dont expect rational answers from most here..where do you think you are?
I dont think your problem is understanding the word genocide. Its understanding the word "destroy"
In this context its not"to defeat soundly"
its "to kill"
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Originally posted by demaw1
Hawklore....re: attack...
I said I took you at your word,I did. I in no way attacked you or your father. I showed you the true difference between genocide,what the word meant in human suffering. I think if you read my post slow you would see that.I was trying to show you words.mean something.
EXAMPLE; If you say bush is a butcher as stalin was,[ as is being said.] than when another stalin comes along what are you going to call him.If you use a very discriped word on everything after a while you can use it on nothing because it has lost it meaning.
Good god your a weenie, Pro-Bush to death, can't take a debate without attacking someone can you?
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
hawk I see what you are trying to say. All you are trying to do is bring up an interesting debate as to wether by terms of definition GWB is commiting genocide.
If you consider AQ a political group then yes it would fit the definition.
I don't consider AQ a political group because they are terrorists. They want nothing more than to get media coverage and kill the infidel.
NOW with that said if AQ is a political group it is one that waged war. In WWII the nazis were a political group and we killed them because we were at war with them.
There's more to just genocide than killing people in one of those categories......you have to have an unjustifiable or evil reason for doing so.
The other difference is if AQ decided it was not in their best interests to persue terrorists we would cease to seak them out and kill them. With the exception of wanted criminals and such.
That is what separates the good from evil in this equation.
Thanks GunSlinger
I belive AQ is a religous group, not political, nor racial, as some are caucasion, black etc.
Reason I posted here, was because my dad couldn't argue his case.
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I realized what most of you guys are missing in my pose, you read GWB Genocide and go on the attack you don't see the 2nd to last sentance in my post,
Is there any logic in my theory?
Obviously a cry for answers and opinions, not attacks.
-edit- Oh and by the way, I ain't no hardcore liberal or conservatist, I'm Left Wing Right Wing, Tastes the same to me!.
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genocide, massd murder of civilians, death carnage etc... That stufff only happens when you take orders from a nut.
;)
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Originally posted by Hawklore
Is there any logic in my theory?
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Absolutely not. That work for ya?
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Absolutely not. That work for ya?
If it's all you gotta say, yep. :)
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Originally posted by Hawklore
I realized what most of you guys are missing in my pose, you read GWB Genocide and go on the attack you don't see the 2nd to last sentance in my post,
Is there any logic in my theory?
Obviously a cry for answers and opinions, not attacks.
-edit- Oh and by the way, I ain't no hardcore liberal or conservatist, I'm Left Wing Right Wing, Tastes the same to me!.
I didn't miss it at all...in my first post I simply warned you what would happen.
In my second post I was trying to assist you in arguing a point from a logical perspective. You still haven't defined who the genocide is being committed upon. Is it musilm extremists in general, terrorists in general, or Al Qeida?
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(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_176_1067005076.jpg)
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Originally posted by Curval
I didn't miss it at all...in my first post I simply warned you what would happen.
In my second post I was trying to assist you in arguing a point from a logical perspective. You still haven't defined who the genocide is being committed upon. Is it musilm extremists in general, terrorists in general, or Al Qeida?
ATM, it seems to be AQ and Arab Terroists, sorry forgot that..
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Hawklore...pro bush
I knew better than to take you at your word,I was just hoping is all. Using the word genocide in the frivolous way you did demeans the memory of those who suffered and died in real genocides. Have you ever talked to any one who survived a genocide,didnt think so. I have, a polish jew,2 german jews,and 2 from cambodia.I will go no further because I think you are just a kid,If so,it would do you well to wait until you have had some of lifes experances were able to gain more knowledge by reading more before you spout off at the mouth.
I normally let something like this go,this one I couldnt.
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God dangit, everyone here knows I'm a kid, 16..
I read alot, and I do not lower the standard of genocide at all by sharing my theory, you seem to be on the attack, haha, your the one being childish not being able to let this 16 year old kid, who posted a theory and was willing to get both sides of it, and clear things up, but he got attacked..
And you frikin pissed me off...
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Originally posted by Hawklore
And you frikin pissed me off...
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/22_1090986581_waaa.jpeg)
:D
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Well, if gencoide is the destruction of a culture, per your definition, then I have to say there is no one more committed to attempting genocide than fanatical muslims. They would destroy both western and jewish culture. Fortunately for us, they don't yet have the means to exercise their will.