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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Jackal1 on July 28, 2004, 09:32:48 AM
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Here`s the scenario.
After recent heavy nuclear and biological attacks, all government and law enforcement functions cease to exist. All forms of electronic communication are down. Riots and looting are spreading at an alarming rate in every city. Anarchy reins.
It seems the only possible chance for survival lies in the country areas , away from the cities.
You had seen the dark clouds of destruction building in advance. You knew you would have to travel as lightly as possible when the time came so you purchased a Gerber knife, one firearm and two cases of ammo.
What firearm did you purchase for survival and the protection of your family?
What ammo, loads, etc. did you select for the two cases that you purchased?
Keep in mind the firearm will have to be maintained and kept in good working order by you alone for some time to come.
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phase plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.
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Mobile Photon Torpedo launcher for transportation, roof mounted launcher for home defense. :D
dago
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No guns here.
I would have bought a few hooks for my fishing rod so that I could feed my family.
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Also,
what car would you buy? What food would you store? If you lived in the country, would you buy solar paneling? What kind of dog would you keep arond the house?
I love this kind of stuff
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Originally posted by Curval
No guns here.
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BOOM! I just capped yo *** and stole your fishing tackle. You`re dead.
Your family is now own their own because you wimped out and failed to protect them. They are at the mercy of the roaming band of marauders.
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.45
Have some fun while fishin for mutant 5 eyed bass.
:D
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Originally posted by Jackal1
BOOM! I just capped yo *** and stole your fishing tackle. You`re dead.
Your family is now own their own because you wimped out and failed to protect them. They are at the mercy of the roaming band of marauders.
What did you do...swim here?
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Copy SOB's pr0n collection for survival!
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arrrgg!!..I thought you had something relevent to say about rock N' Roll..
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Originally posted by Curval
What did you do...swim here?
Sorry, I don`t talk to dead men. :D
R.I.P.
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Well, it was a neat trick of yours to get yourself to the East Coast of the US (despite the lack of communication and, I assume, transportation) and then swim 800-1,000 miles to where I live in order to shoot me.
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Copy SOB's pr0n collection for survival!
You like the gay porn huh?
:D
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Curv,
He came on the my boat, we decided to hit Bermuda, it needed a new King and I am the Man!
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Curv,
He came on the my boat, we decided to hit Bermuda, it needed a new King and I am the Man!
lol
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In terms of modern firearms you can't really beat the basic bolt-action rifle for long term reliability.
If you're talking about a REALLY long term survival situation (like years) when you're all alone, you'd be better off going with a black powder flintlock. I wouldn't want to fight off angry mobs with a flintlock though so there's a tradeoff.
Isn't the idea of taking just ONE weapon a silly question though? All of the "prepared for the end of the world" guys I know have MANY guns :)
Really though my friendship with the local Amish would probably avail me more than any number of guns in a potential "end of civilization" scenario.
J_A_B
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Curv,
He came on the my boat, we decided to hit Bermuda, it needed a new King and I am the Man!
lol....rrrrrrright.
So what did you do take that boat through the Panama Canal and up the east coast, all the way from California? What is that, about a 3 or 4 THOUSAND mile journey? All this while trying to stay alive in a post apocolyptic world.
Amazing.
But, shouldn't you both be at home looking after your family?
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A 45 pistol wouldn't be that great for hunting but for protection just an ok option..
Some version of 30-06 Bolt action with a scope and two boxes of 165 grain weight loads "all purpose" non reloads....
Second choice may be a 99 Savage style lever action...
IKON
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Remington scoped 30-06 for serious long range plinking
M1 Carbine for medium range plinking
Glock19 for close-in plinking (AMT380 for ground zero plinking)
Ruger 10/22 for bite sized critters
Winchestor 20 gauge shotgun
and for that nostalgic look,
a Traditions .50 cal blackpowder muzzle loader.
plus more amunition than a single person could carry.
Lots of fishing poles
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I would have to agree with Curval.
Fish are a fairly self-renewing food resource and I remember hearing that water is a natural radiation barrier.
Curval's two fish hooks could sustain him and his family until he figured out how to make new hooks with the bones of the fish he caught. New fishing line could be made with the fibres of local plants.
2 Cases of ammo (assuming you meant 2-50 round boxes) could feed you, assuming you and your family ate wild game every 3 days and were a perfect shot, for 300 days or so.
The gerber is a good idea.
Other than that, a chunk of flint to light fires for cooking and boiling water to drink would be a good idea.
In your Ripsnort doomsday survival kit you would also want to keep some hemp seeds. Easy to weave the fibres and the clothing you make would outlast untanned animal skins. You wouldnt have to worry about contaminated soil, you would be wearing it, not eating it...but you could if things got rough enough.
Oh yeah, and an ugly dog, a sawed off double barrelled shotgun, a music box to give to any crazy kids,,,,, and of course...the last of the V-8 Interceptors.
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"a sawed off double barrelled shotgun"
Of course working shells are a plus
J_A_B
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Mauser for sniping, and a MG42 or M60 for home defense.
What vehicle? Armored Truck, and I'd keep oh MRE's...
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M4.
(http://www.colt.com/law/images/m4.jpg)
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Bolt action rifle. Probably a Mauser. Few moving parts, not so many things that can break, easy to maintain, excellent range.
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Curv, My family would be with me, packing guns!
My Girlfriend is a better shot then I am, my brother in law is from Texas, and a good shot. My sister is a raging unstopable *****, she needs no weapons!
My mom would be a causulty of the times, I think most crippled people would be :(
With this crack team, and my trusty lab, we would be like the post apocoliptic Ateam!
A case is 1000 rounds or 500 in my book!
My boat you ask?
We would just have to get a few Navy vets from the local VFW, and then get the Iowa working, nothing like 9 16 inch guns for riot control!! :D
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Shotgun....12 gauge....dbl O.
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Im not lucky enough to be able to survive the nuclear holocust so I dont have to worry about what I would bring to survive. :D
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Well since my digital photography would be out the window, I'd have a new hobby:
Gun collecting.
There I am in my Ghillie suit all decked out in camo paint and leaves, killing all those nutbags trying to take my food from me and my family and friends.
Remington 700 PSS 308. It loves the Remington 308 168gr BTHP Match ammo as it'll shoot down to 1/4" 3-shot groups @100 yards. I'll get tons of new guns. WooHoo! :D
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Well GTO...I'm just going to have to counter your proposed invasion of my homeland with...ummm....the DEATHSTAR.
That's right. The Deathstar.
Say goodbye to California, afterall that is where all the real rioting will be. I'll just have Darth tone down the laser enough to saw off that pathetic excuse for a liberal minded seaside state and drop it off into the Pacific.
Your battleships are all belonging to me.
:)
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Originally posted by Curval
What did you do...swim here?
Curval, play along as it's all make believe. In this scenario, we're all out in the countryside somewhere.
Edit*** Oops, nevermind. Just saw your post. You're doing good :)
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Originally posted by SaburoS
Edit*** Oops, nevermind. Just saw your post. You're doing good :)
lol..thanks.:D
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hmmm thats easy enough.
.22 bolt action single shot carbine, with adjustable up to 9X power scope,and silencer. ammo, CCI wax coated solid round nose.
Knife ha . rather make a flint knife than buy an almost impossible to keep sharp p.o.s. they have on market these days, though it'll be good enough for poking holes but so would a fire harden stick, that has been sharpened on a stone.
As an alternate to the gun, I would have the best recurve bow I could find, with hundreds of backup strings packed in wax. thousands of arrows, with various types of points. of course a suitable bag, for caching purposes.
Oh and remb. like they said in Mel Gibson's Patriot movie,
Dog makes a fine meal. ;) < just had to say it.
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A pretty easy question on choice of firearm. A .223 Rem or .308 Win chambered rifle.(5.56x45mm NATO or 7.62x51mm NATO. Though not EXACTLY identical can usually be shot interchangably.) A 9mm Ruger or .45 ACP chambered handgun.
The only reason for this would be the high availability of ammunition. There are many good weapons chambered in these calibers, and ammo should be available for quite a while to come...even if manufacturing completely shuts down.
Terror
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Curval I'd find Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford and go Han Solo on your ass. Can you say TRENCH RUN!?
After you've been destroyed, being originally sympathetic to the Empire, I'd continue the reign under a somewhat less evil, but still evil enough, under the alias Darth Octavius. Death Star II is already under construction.
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Originally posted by Octavius
Death Star II is already under construction.
already had Death Star II in return of the Jedi. guess you mean Death Star III.
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m5. PWN3D!
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You better kill me then...none of that freezing me in graphite or anything. I'm like a damn Wookie dude...I nevar forget.
Darth and me would simply go back to the Sith Lords and plot our REVENGE.
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Originally posted by Curval
I'm like a damn Wookie dude...I nevar forget.
well ya won't forget until you see a hanging piece of meat and start thinking with your stomach.
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Originally posted by RTStuka
Im not lucky enough to be able to survive the nuclear holocust so I dont have to worry about what I would bring to survive. :D
lol, even if you do survive, pretty much everything is radio active, should be good eating fish with 4 tails :D
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Originally posted by DieAz
I would have the best recurve bow I could find, with hundreds of backup strings packed in wax. thousands of arrows, with various types of points. of course a suitable bag, for caching purposes.
x2, fewer arrows as you could always fletch new ones and keep the good ones for backup...about 10 fishing hooks and at least 2 rods...
and a saw, a axe, a bowie knife, some black powder,at least 10 yards of rope, at least 500 of those work while wet camping matches, some flint, a good winter coat, and a tent.maybe a hammer and nails...a good mountain bike with maybe 20 patch repair kits...
which, depending on the type of tent shouldent weigh to much, certainly carriable on panniers
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Originally posted by loser
2 Cases of ammo (assuming you meant 2-50 round boxes)
No, 2 cases.
My choice would be a double barrel, external hammered shotgun. Simple in design and easy to hand forge parts for , if need be, in the future. Probably 28 to 30" barrels. In a countryside situation I beleive there would be more of a chance at finding ammo, or at least reloading equipment from country residents for this one more than any.
Ammo= 1 case 00 buck.
1 case #4s
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doesn't really matter... any gun will do until I see one I that I want/need more.
Probly a mini 14 in 223 for a start tho. But I can make anything work.
Might go large bore handgun too...Advantage to a 44mag or 45 pistol/revolver is that you can make ammo out of wheelweights and take powder from about anything... Also.. any large pistol primer wil work as will salvaged large rifle primers... probly a single action 44 mag like a Ruger superblackhawk would pop about any primer.
Blackpowder would work for the same reasons... percussion caps are easy to make and so is blackpowder.
lazs
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Originally posted by DieAz
already had Death Star II in return of the Jedi. guess you mean Death Star III.
Curval's Death Star, then octavius' Death Star II. THIS IS MY ALTERNATE UNIVERSE! :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Gun: Daisy BB/Pellet Rifle.
Ammo: One large carton of BBs, plus one large carton of flat head pellets.
Dog: Chihauha.
Car: (http://www.kidswheels.com/images/products/448_thumb.jpg)
I'd be the biggest bad bellybutton around, no one would want to **** with me.
-SW
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Originally posted by Octavius
Curval's Death Star, then octavius' Death Star II. THIS IS MY ALTERNATE UNIVERSE! :mad: :mad: :mad:
LOL ok, but ummm ahh nevermind. off to work I go, 4days for 12 hours a day. or I'd make more comments ;)
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Originally posted by vorticon
x2, fewer arrows as you could always fletch new ones and keep the good ones for backup...about 10 fishing hooks and at least 2 rods...
and a saw, a axe, a bowie knife, some black powder,at least 10 yards of rope, at least 500 of those work while wet camping matches, some flint, a good winter coat, and a tent.maybe a hammer and nails...a good mountain bike with maybe 20 patch repair kits...
which, depending on the type of tent shouldent weigh to much, certainly carriable on panniers
I would agree to most of that, with exception for the bike, its far too noisy.
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Originally posted by DieAz
I would agree to most of that, with exception for the bike, its far too noisy.
? i was referring to a pedal powered mountain bike...they make little noise,
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A rifle/shotgun (over/under) is an ideal survival gun. I own one in .22LR/.410, but prolly a .22MAG/20guage would be a bit better in this scenario.
culero
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LOL, I'm with this!!!!
NUTTZ
P.S. You can always trade pr0n for a rifle, rock/paper/scissors thingy
Originally posted by Saintaw
Copy SOB's pr0n collection for survival!
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I have a mossberg 5 shot w/ the pistol grip. In Philly it is still legal, but illegal for the gun dealer to sell it this way, I had to put the pistol grip on.
NUTTZ
Originally posted by culero
A rifle/shotgun (over/under) is an ideal survival gun. I own one in .22LR/.410, but prolly a .22MAG/20guage would be a bit better in this scenario.
culero
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Originally posted by Curval
Well, it was a neat trick of yours to get yourself to the East Coast of the US (despite the lack of communication and, I assume, transportation) and then swim 800-1,000 miles to where I live in order to shoot me.
Dood is obviously confused.
It said "Guns or Roses" NOT "Guns and Moses"....
(can't be arsed to read the rest of the thread but if my reply no longer makes sense, well then you all can suck a nut!") :D
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Nash
Don't make us wip out a rottie with a 5 gallon bucket!:)
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Gees guys what is it you all dont understand about 1 gun and 2 cases ammo? LOL
Ok my turn and i will try to stay close to intent.
Although from 1700s to about 1895 the most popular gun for defence and food was the shot gun,I would choose my mini 14 in 223 caliber.
1. of all my guns I am dam good with it
2. I assume 2 cases would be like i have purchase be for so because of caliber I would have about 5000 rounds,of which 3000rounds would be ball ammo,the rest soft nose.
3 . It is a lite weapon with good fire power for defence could defend against more than 1 person with it.Range is good enough I could hold my own with those that have up to 3006 caliber and little lady pretty good with.it.
4. bullet fast enough for varments,and heavy enough for deer out to 200 yards under these conditions only.
5. rugged gun unlike m 16 can take a beating.
6.I would make all fishing stuff etc.,maybe buy it if allowed
7.know right where Id be so if stayed healthy,and it all happened in summer at latest family would be fine kinda.
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Just a question...
Would surviving mean having to spend the rest of my life in the company of those who would answer in such great detail?
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Well there is no such thing as one gun for all jobs, but if I had to pick just one I would not pick a .223 rifle.
It would prolly be a bolt action, like a rem 700 in .308 or my trust M1 Garand in 30-06(yes I know this is not a bolt action! Duh!.
If it was good enough for WW2 and Korea, it should be good enough to take over Bermuda!
Now I know Curv went and got himself a death star, but I have the plans to turn the Iowa, into a space battleship Just like in Starblazers!
The new hull mounted main gun would easily take out a piddly little death star.
I think Curval is underestimating the power of my super***** sister, If the space battleship Iowa, failed I would just launch her at the deathstar, then you are in a world of hurt. lucas, (that HACK!) never envisioned a threat like that to his "super" space station!:aok
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Gtora2
both weapons are super, my thought was with a bolt you would never be able to protect your family in to days reality, to many people would have semi autos and what do you think be in gangs of five ? Garand great weapon but only holds eight rounds and size of caliber would limit amount of ammo in case.But better to go with what you comfortable with.
Nash emmm I know....shove it...lol
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For simplicity of maintenance and availability of ammunition, I would have to go with a Kentucky Longrifle flintlock.
A rifle easily maintained by tools available to one siting around a campfire.
I could make ammo balls from scrap lead. I could make blackpowder the old fashioned way, by digging up crystalline salt peter from old pig styes. (charcoal and sulfer being more easily obtained)
Actually the best thing to do would be to find an old mailbag and make people belive I was part of a restuctured government and I was delivering mail.
I probably would become a hero to the common man, and be invited to impregnate females in each new town I visit.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
No, 2 cases.
In a countryside situation I beleive there would be more of a chance at finding ammo, or at least reloading equipment from country residents for this one more than any.
Ammo= 1 case 00 buck.
1 case #4s
and there you hit the nail on the head , 30-06 , .44 and 12/20 gauge shot gun shells will be around the longest . or if at all lol . Go stainless steel in what ever you get . as for a knife , in my opinion any good bowie will do .
and if i realy would have to chose 1 gun i'd cry . I have 2 stainless steel .44's 6.5 to 7 in. barrles, stainless 300 win mag. , .444 marlin (who's lead is interchangeable with .44) good ole .30-30 , .22 lever , over and under 12 ga. <--prefer side by side ,just fell into this 1 , and last but not least my demon crossbow , arrows/bolt's arnt that hard to make but fletching takes alittle practice .
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M1 Garand= Bad Idea
Soon as you run out of clips, you can't reload your weapon. Even if you collected all the bullet clips after they ejected, they would wear out over time.
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Originally posted by vorticon
? i was referring to a pedal powered mountain bike...they make little noise,
LOL, go ahead and take your bike with you, but be warned,
in the words of Mel Gibson in the Maverick movie.
"You couldn't sneak up on a corpse."
yea, I watched a few movies in my life. ;)
sometimes they say it best in the movies.
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suntracker... the clips don't really wear out that much and... even if you lost em all (all 285 of em?) you couls still use the gun as a single shot.
in the end... any gun will do. give me one and I will get whatever others I might need.
lazs
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Originally posted by demaw1
Gtora2
both weapons are super, my thought was with a bolt you would never be able to protect your family in to days reality, to many people would have semi autos and what do you think be in gangs of five ? Garand great weapon but only holds eight rounds and size of caliber would limit amount of ammo in case.But better to go with what you comfortable with.
Nash emmm I know....shove it...lol
I've got a nice semi-auto, but I'd be fooling myself if as an individual, I'd think I'd have half a chance against a small squad of equally armed people. I'd bring my much more accurate bolt action where I could use the longer range and stealth to defeat multiples.
Standing there like Rambo blasting away might be cool looking in movies, but it'll get you killed fast in a 'real-life' situation. LOL, funny that I would say that as in reality, this scenario aint going to happen.
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Originally posted by SaburoS
LOL, funny that I would say that as in reality, this scenario aint going to happen.
You sure about that? I would say with all the wacko crap that`s going on in the world now that we are a lot closer to it becoming a reality now than it ever was in the cold war era.
If it`s IK with you , I`m going to keep Ole Bessie handy anyway.
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saburo.....I always have to explain everything to u.
1. you would not be facing military but most likely small gangs.
2. what are these gangs most likely to be made up of,people like the gangs in l.a. know very little about weapons,and normaly attack from ambush
3.You should know a lot more of area then them and if you did not work out scenrios and stashed some clips and ammo little food and water that your problem.
4 standing there like rambo ...that was stupid remark,I would say you know nothing about semi autos and proper use of them or you making dig at me because I am conservative.just cant leave politics out of it.
5 I dont know about you but i have a wife and daughter and since I would be hunting mostly with home made bow and arrows and traps they would have the weapon.How long you think my daughter who is 5 fot 4 would last using a 3006.shes good with the 14 though
6. your right wont happen cant you libs have any fun guy just asked is all so some of us went along. what a party pooper.
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Originally posted by demaw1
saburo.....I always have to explain everything to u.
1. you would not be facing military but most likely small gangs.
2. what are these gangs most likely to be made up of,people like the gangs in l.a. know very little about weapons,and normaly attack from ambush
3.You should know a lot more of area then them and if you did not work out scenrios and stashed some clips and ammo little food and water that your problem.
4 standing there like rambo ...that was stupid remark,I would say you know nothing about semi autos and proper use of them or you making dig at me because I am conservative.just cant leave politics out of it.
5 I dont know about you but i have a wife and daughter and since I would be hunting mostly with home made bow and arrows and traps they would have the weapon.How long you think my daughter who is 5 fot 4 would last using a 3006.shes good with the 14 though
6. your right wont happen cant you libs have any fun guy just asked is all so some of us went along. what a party pooper.
1) That was a given. If it was military, it would be ours. Would be glad to see them.
2) Chances are there'd be few survivors in our make believe scenario. After all the large cities would be the ones targeted. The punks running around now in gangs wouldn't scare me in if any survived our scenario disaster. They don't have the will power or the discipline to act in a coordinated matter in a survival situation.
3) Sure we should all be prepared for actually possible scenarios. For instance those in earthquake country should be prepared for earthquakes. The above "end of the world" scenario isn't going to happen.
4) Uhm, relax. I don't dig at anyone here for political affilliation. If you really believe otherwise, go look it up and search my posts. I actually go out of my way to try not to attack individuals based soley on affilliation. I apologize for the Rambo comment as it doesn't apply to all that wish to have a semi. Wasn't actually directed at you personally as I have no idea what tactics and what skills you have.
I'm going to break this paragraph so it's absolutely crystal clear to you about how I feel about you as well as most here.
Whether you be a fellow American citizen, a citizen from an allied country, and one that does not wish me, my family, my friends, and my country ill will, I will consider you my brother in arms. I don't care if we have different political affilliations as that's a really minor detail in my book. If I see you or anyone under attack, I will come to your aid the best I can. That goes the same for your family.
If you are a guest in my house, my wife and myself will treat you like family, like friends, unless you consider me an enemy.
Bottom line, cut that "I'm out to insult you" BS out. You are not my enemy, you are my fellow countryman ! Comprende amigo? If someone here wants to hurl insults my way, I'll play right back. I may not 'like' that individual, but it doesn't mean I hate them. Hate I reserve for my true enemies.
Now back on topic with #4 (continued)..
My comment was directed at those that may think that single-handedly engaging multiple enemies simultaniously in a firefight would result in a short fight with the good guy getting killed. Some people's exposure to gun battles are to Hollywood movies only. I wasn't making a dig at you. I quoted your post because yours was the one criticising GTora2's choice in weapons. My Rambo comment wasn't directed at you personally as it was a general comment to those that think that you absolutely have to have a semi. Tactics, skill, range, reliability, and accuracy are all important things to have in a sole survivor situation.
5) Yeah, in your situation, your daughter has to use what she can shoot well. A good hit with a .223 is obviously better than a 'powerful' and loud miss with a 30-06.
6) Uhm, I thought I was having fun here :D You're half right, I'm a fiscally conservative liberal (for the most part).
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Originally posted by Jackal1
You sure about that? I would say with all the wacko crap that`s going on in the world now that we are a lot closer to it becoming a reality now than it ever was in the cold war era.
If it`s IK with you , I`m going to keep Ole Bessie handy anyway.
Yeah, I'm sure. Save for a fanatical fraction of those that are our enemy, we (the USA) are loved in the world. Our country represents wonderful opportunities for those that wish to work hard. We have wonderful freedoms and diversity. Damn, I love my country and its people. Don't get me wrong here as I don't wish this to be a dig at Canada, France, Germany, Japan, etc. Those are wonderful countries as well with wonderful people.
I make my comment because I'm an American, nothing more.
There's not an enemy big or strong enough to wipe us out. Our enemies might give us a black eye once in awhile, but I'm confident we'll continue to persevere and prosper. We've got too much a proud and diverse culture that has made us what we are as a country. Legal immigrants are what we're about. Yeah, you can say I'm confident we'll be okay. :)
I actually am for responsible firearms ownership for my fellow Americans. Doesn't mean you'll ever need it, but good to have non the less. I've got a nice semi auto pistol, semi auto rifle, and bolt action rifle. Wonderful weapons to fire.
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SaburoS, wanna go fishin?
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Originally posted by SaburoS
There's not an enemy big or strong enough to wipe us out.
Not sure of your definition of wiping us out but that`s not what I am talking about.
There is always a few smaller radical groups out there that I think the major threat comes from. We have seen a small scale demonstration.
A relatively small group, supplied with the tools that are floating around in the world today, with attacks on key points and coordination could bring things in any country to a point of total chaos.
Coordinated attacks on power and communication would filll the bill.
Without these two elements in key large cities all supply would come to a halt. Without supply these cities would be in total chaos within 48 hours or less. From that point on it would be pretty self consuming . Riots and looting would be the first step. Without communication there would be no way to control or stop the situation from escalating. We have allready seen sections of large cities in this state over such things as racial rioting , etc.
Hell, we have seen rioting , looting and self destruction in the larger cities, on a fairly large scale, over such trivial things as sports events wins/losses.
Most major military powers are prepared for large scale attacks from the outside, but turmoil from within, without power and communication is another story. In that case a country becomes it`s own worst enemy.
Scared, frightened and without direction the human reverts to animal instincts of self preservation. The old "team spirit" is set aside to be replaced with survival of the fittest.
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geeze... you guys are really getting anal about this..
Any gun will do. with any gun you can get any other gun. If you are incapable of doing that simple thing then you probly won't survive in any case.
lazs
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Well fortunate for me, I wouldnt need to buy anything. I live in the city, but own 180 acres of land in the country. I store all of my guns there, along with ammo, fishing rods, hunting knives, things of the sort.
All id need to do is pack up the family and drive there.
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I don't need a gun, I'll wait for Lazs to fall asleep and steal it from him. He's old and decrepit, so he's bound to doze off sometime.
-SW
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sw... I wish you all the luck in the world on that plan but....
you have been expossed here allready as a wussy liberal kery voting pansy so... even someone as old and decrepit as me should be too much for you.
lazs
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Now that you mention it, I do get knocked out in a light breeze...
-SW
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Saburos......understand...
I understand and concur with vast majority of what you said,thanks for explaination.About gtora2 I was in no way getting on him for choice of weapon, please read my post again.I said mini 14,he said garand etc. and why,I said they were super choice but gave reasons why for me mini 14 better,just conversation between him and me.
I took offense a little at Rambo thing and ah Idea that I couldnt take on more than one. I have no idea what would happen but I would prepare.If I could run with my family I would as I know a spent round can ruin your whole day.Thanks for realizing rambo thing was a little over top and i am glad i always count to 20 before responding lol.
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Originally posted by loser
SaburoS, wanna go fishin?
Sounds great, but I won't be able to make up to your neck of the woods for a while.
As long as it isn't on a boat I'll be okay. LOL, found out the hard way about getting seasick. Several years ago, went with a coworker on his boat. He asked if I get seasick. I said I didn't think so as I'd never got seasick before on a small boat (only one other time and that was like 20 years previous, lol). He warned me that if I did get seasick we weren't turning back. I agreed he shouldn't if I did.
So we go out early to Half Moon Bay, one hour out there I get sick. Found out the hard way the different colors my bile was....yuck. About two hours into the seasickness, he offers if I wanted to go back to land. I knew he wanted to stay out there so I just said that I'm okay. LOL worst 6 hours of my boating life! Wasn't going to be a killjoy, though.
The second trip I take some Extra strength Dramamine, full dose. Totally knocked me out. That wasn't fun.
Third trip took half the dose, but was still groggy. Felt queezy too. Found out fishing on a small boat isn't for me.
Fishing is fun though.
:)
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Originally posted by Curval
No guns here.
I would have bought a few hooks for my fishing rod so that I could feed my family.
That's great, because you will be nice and fat when my gun toting band kills and eats your unarmed family. :rofl
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Springfield M1A
Remington 870
M1911
HK UMP45
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Good plan Funky! Canabalism in the post apocoliptic world is the way to go!
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Nothing like a little longpig bbq. :D
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Yeap, I bet it is tasty after hours and hours of smoking and falls right off the bone!
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Much easier to catch then fish as well, and you do not have all those little bones, and plus is don't taste like fish! :)
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U want The new SOCOM14 M1a rifle with a 16.5 inch barrel. U will use standard .308 170 grain, but u drill a hole in the nose and put a small amount of mercury in it then fill the hole up the rest of the way with lead. this will create an intry wound the size of a basketball and will down any one or anything that messes with u. remember to keep about 50 rounds stock so u can hunt. then ur set. :aok
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superpug1
Does the term MrBlack mean anything to you?:D
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Not sure of your definition of wiping us out but that`s not what I am talking about.
There is always a few smaller radical groups out there that I think the major threat comes from. We have seen a small scale demonstration.
A relatively small group, supplied with the tools that are floating around in the world today, with attacks on key points and coordination could bring things in any country to a point of total chaos.
Coordinated attacks on power and communication would filll the bill.
Without these two elements in key large cities all supply would come to a halt. Without supply these cities would be in total chaos within 48 hours or less. From that point on it would be pretty self consuming . Riots and looting would be the first step. Without communication there would be no way to control or stop the situation from escalating. We have allready seen sections of large cities in this state over such things as racial rioting , etc.
Hell, we have seen rioting , looting and self destruction in the larger cities, on a fairly large scale, over such trivial things as sports events wins/losses.
Most major military powers are prepared for large scale attacks from the outside, but turmoil from within, without power and communication is another story. In that case a country becomes it`s own worst enemy.
Scared, frightened and without direction the human reverts to animal instincts of self preservation. The old "team spirit" is set aside to be replaced with survival of the fittest.
Sure, we're vulnerable in many ways. Hell, individuals could go to all the major airports with shoulder launched Sams and hit airliners taking off, which would result in the planes probably crashing into a densly populated area causing tremendous casualties. Only takes one person at each airport to do that.
The trememdous costs of having the police and military running patrols 10-15 miles radius from all the airports would hurt us financially. All the air carriers would go bankrupt as no one would choose to fly anymore.
Why haven't they released any bio agents in our major cities? Think of the total chaos in that scenario.
How about taking out all our major bridges?
See where I'm going with this?
We can go on and on about the possibilities but Al Quiada is just not as big, strong, and coordinated as we might think they are. They attacked out of hate and revenge, not jealousy and envy.
They put all their resources into 9/11. So how many people did they have for their 9/11 attacks? 19? 24? 30? What if they had 10,000 suicide members instead. Think of the damage that would have resulted. Fact is they used up all their suicide volunteers in that attack.
This goes back to why I'm basically against our war. We invade countries where a vast majority have absolutely nothing to do with the attacks against us. In our actions, we end up killing innocent civillians per collateral damage. Well guess what? Remember the hate and revenge motive stated above? You think we just didn't create some new members willing to hit us back?
Can we say self fulfilling prophecy? The more innocent civillians we hit in our actions, the more we build up our enemy's numbers.
Do you think that somehow other people react differently to us when we see our families, friends, and fellow countrymen getting killed? We can say accident all we want (it is), but try convincing those that lost their families. Cause and effect.
Remember, it's not what we think we're doing but what the innocent victims in all of this think. Do you think our intel is sufficient to indicate who the real enemies are? All those buildings we didn't get innocent civillians? We didn't HAVE to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, we Chose to. Big difference.
I'll save my best reason for last. We're losing our own in these invasions. Our fellow countrymen and women are being killed in our actions where we don't have a clear target and enemy. Reminds me very much of Vietnam in this regard. Oh yeah, we'll win the battles all right, but will we win this war? I don't like the direction we're taking.
That was my liberal self talking, now for my conservative self.
Folks, this is a big waste of our military and monetary resources. My tax dollars that could otherwise be going back to our country's problems, is being wasted having feed our oversees operations.
Interesting that when it suits us, we beat our chests and brag about our being the only Super Power. How come we scare so easily?
Serious, Al Quaida just isn't that big and powerful.
BTW Jackal, this post wasn't directed at you personally, not at anyone personally. Just my thoughts on the many posts I've seen on the subject.
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Originally posted by SaburoS
Sounds great, but I won't be able to make up to your neck of the woods for a while.
As long as it isn't on a boat I'll be okay. LOL, found out the hard way about getting seasick. Several years ago, went with a coworker on his boat. He asked if I get seasick. I said I didn't think so as I'd never got seasick before on a small boat (only one other time and that was like 20 years previous, lol). He warned me that if I did get seasick we weren't turning back. I agreed he shouldn't if I did.
So we go out early to Half Moon Bay, one hour out there I get sick. Found out the hard way the different colors my bile was....yuck. About two hours into the seasickness, he offers if I wanted to go back to land. I knew he wanted to stay out there so I just said that I'm okay. LOL worst 6 hours of my boating life! Wasn't going to be a killjoy, though.
The second trip I take some Extra strength Dramamine, full dose. Totally knocked me out. That wasn't fun.
Third trip took half the dose, but was still groggy. Felt queezy too. Found out fishing on a small boat isn't for me.
Fishing is fun though.
:)
More of a metaphorical question/statement than an invite Saburo. The way i understood your post is that if the dung hit the fan you would be out there making friends instead of pillaging your fellow human beings.
Everyone would have a better chance of survival if they didn't have guns pointed at them.;)
But I had to laugh at your story. I was out fishing a few weeks ago in a 14 foot boat bucking waves about 8 feet high (swells more than waves really.)
The g/f gets sea sick really easy too. I told her to sit in the middle of the boat so she wouldnt feel the ups and downs so much but countered that by periodically making puking sounds.
I was hanging my arse off the stern of the boat (So i wouldn't wrap the prop; you do that and you hafta jump in the 8-10 Deg. C water and unwrap it) the whole time and rollling with the swells so it wasnt so funny when we got back to the dock and i almost fell off the pier because i didn't have my sea legs about me. (Hadn't been fishing in over two years.)
In closing to substantiate my and curval's post. I ended up catching over 35 pounds of fish in 3 days.
And yes, the boat runs on pertrol, but my mom hauled a 12 pound pike in her stupid sea kayak last year.
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Originally posted by loser
More of a metaphorical question/statement than an invite Saburo. The way i understood your post is that if the dung hit the fan you would be out there making friends instead of pillaging your fellow human beings.
LOL, yeah wasn't sure. Being that early on I posted that I would be shooting others just to increase my gun and ammo collection. Figured you'd want to push me off your boat so you could have my nice rifle and case of ammo. :D I had to throw in my real life fishing story though. If it's a boat, I aint goin'!
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Darn you saburos,make no mistake about it you big dumb you make some sense. [done with the names he he]
Saburos I want to answer because this is what it is suppose to be about reasoning to gether,ya sometime a human gets hot fine you know debate.I know you are against this war ,I think you are wrong, but because to date I have not heard you say...I am against this war, and bush is more evil than hitler, and we are murdering babies etc...but dont get me wrong I support the troops oh yes I do.It is bush and rumsfield and and........well they are fools it is the troops pulling the trigger,cant have it both ways.The president believes in this war the troops believe in this war and I believe in this war.This is going to be long but got to do it.
I believe they havent hit us yet for 1 major reason and 2 minor ones.
I believe bush looked at all the evidence he had at hand,the information from russian,british,israel,france ,germany,and the u.n. intellagence reports saying to 1 degree or another saddam has wmds.He listen to the likes of Kerry,bird,daschle,edwards,gram,clinton,mis.clinton,gore,everyone on senate and congress intell committies, our cia say something to this effect.This is paraphased from kerry also if u need the refferances I will give them to you from even left leaning papers around the world and here.
We know that saddam has w.m.d.s We know that he is working hard to obtain nuclear weapons even at this time, and may have succeeded in developing one.We know he has used them on his own people and that makes him even more dangerous to us. This cannot and will not stand. blah blah blah.A very few said they believed he didnt have any. Dispite the dooms day secnerios from media types and the elite we have done well in afganastan.
On issues like this I try to put myself in other persons shoes.I think bush looked around and felt that he too believed he has wmds.Look at what they have done to israel for so long ,look at what they did in new york,then some fool living a decent life in America with wife and kids shoots up la airport.If they are that fanatic, they have all the money they need,and we are looking at a decent size uprising,German intell put it at a possible 100,000 million involved in some way or another[ you dont belive it maybe we talk about it later] Ithink he knew it was his decision and his alone, I think he felt he couldnt take the chance on maybe a hundred thousand american deaths couldnt live with it.Why I feel that ,because I would have had to make the same decison.What about you?
Cia says there are 15 known suitcase bombs missing and putin doesnt know where they are[nuclear bombs].I dont think so but can I take the chance.he might have thought. Look how saddams acting he says he has them,I am not God I have to go with the evidence.If I give the go ahead we will be fighting there and not here,maybe we can buy some time to prepare.Whats with france and germany man they are fighting me at every turn,youd think they would at least remember what the u.s. has done for them.[ [We latter find out they with the u.n. were stealing billions of dollars from food for oil program,duh].They havent hit us because we are over there and they are planing something big and they are waiting to see who is going to win election,yes they prefer kerry.My opinion
Yes a thousand years of hate and rage and I take it you think that if kerry gets in they will forget it all?
Saburos they did not use up all they had on 9/11 they are and have been like china, patience. Look how it has escalated since first wtc attack.
Their civillians are no more innocent than germanys or japans were and they are more fanitic about.it.Each and everyone of them are taught from birth that we are evil and their mortal enemy.The huge majority have everything to do with the position we are in,please dont fool your self.I have a great article from a guy that looks middle eastern and went into a simainar at a mosque in LA yes LA. I am telling you it is scary. If you want to know about it ill tell ya.
Yes I am sure we have created more that will join 1. they are primed from birth 2. during ww2 a lot of people that hated hitler joined because it was their country.Do we tie our hands because of this,quit?Beg,What? Yes the muslims do act different from us when they see there loved ones die,It is almost beyond understanding,you tell me how a people that breed their children to strap on bombs to kill other children act, I have no idea.I ask that you think about comparing them to us in any way we are not like them.
Suburos...we had to, as in no choice, invade afganistan,the reason they did what they did was they thought we were weak.Isnt that how all wars start?... Iraq was a choice I believe a good one but a choice.And the people in the middle east are not innocent all this blood and future blood is on their hands.Emm getting close to calling our soilders murders cant have it both ways.Killing is justified,killing the innocent is murder period.
Suburos...Yes we are losing our own,we always have and will,thank God this president gave our military everything short of nuclear weapons to use ,Be cause of that we had many fewer deaths than we would have. We know as much about this enemy as we did the germans,will we be allowed to fight ,maybe not, I think bush has bowed to the real pressure from the dems that stabded us in the back[normal] and 45 percent of Americans that are left wing or pacifist. But we will see ,the majority of iraqi are trying ,well see. Because our men and women are there and see the truth of what is happening and they like the direction we are going for the most part.sources....sources cant help you ,as it is most of time in other post I cant. I have the best network of news going it is called, short wave radio.
Suburos, I know for a fact you are not scared,I am not scared my parents are not scared .I will tell you what many off us are scared about,45 percent of Americans have lost their moral compass and have accepted the values of europe.Many know it but quite a few dont.The democratic party has and it will destory us.Did you know, last week I think it was ,when f 9/11 made it to iraq those of our military that seen it[ more the younger ones ]were very demorlized.Like I said they know the truth there as they are there and know the miracles that have happened and believe in the cause to give the iraqi the chance,will it work ,who knows but most of our troops believe it is there honor to give them the chance but not there job to make it work.
Al quaida is not the problem, the problem is good people like you dont realize we are in a regilious war that, what ever , we do will get bigger until we defeat it.
with respect demaw.
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demaw1,
Wow, thanks for putting your thoughts down on how you see it. I can't tell you that you are wrong as you can't tell me that I'm wrong as to how we see it. It is our interpretation of how we see the events of the world. W believe what we believe. I don't begrudge you because you see it different than I. For the record because you alluded to it:
1) I am for the troops. If you think other wise, just look at my avatar. My Dad, Uncle, and one of my friends served proudly. I've got another friend that is still serving proudly.
2) I've never said Bush = Hitler.
3) Collateral casualties does not equal murder. Unfortunetly the victim's surviving family and friends might think otherwise.
4) I've never called our soldiers murderers.
For us to change the other's way of thinking would take just way too much typing and time. We are going to the core of who we are and what we stand for. I respect you guys too much to try to 'change' you, nor would I want to.
Again, thanks for keeping this civil. !
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Saburos......reply
I am sorry for how it turned out ,I had little time and was typing fast,could have been better and more understandable.
In my first paragraph I said I think you are wrong, but because I have [ not ] heard you say etc. important word...is not....so I didnt say you said bush= hitler.I know you have heard that before tho.
Collateral damage does not equal murder, you are right, and I was not talking about you, but people like nancy poloski or maxine waters.....who have said It does equal murder because bush wanted a war to help out enron. Then they say I support the troops....Its a lie they dont support the troops. It is the troops that are doing the killing.If they think it is murder than they are supporting the people doing the murder.I dont think so.
Of course you never called our troops murders, If you did I would have nothing to do with you..Again I didnt say you I said them like the two above.
So you miss understood everything from 1.to 4. in your reply.i hope you would read the 1 st para slower 1 more time.
thanks.
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demaw1,
I kind of thought you didn't mean it but wanted to clarify my position just in case. It's all good :)
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Originally posted by demaw1
Saburos......reply
I am sorry for how it turned out ,I had little time and was typing fast,could have been better and more understandable.
In my first paragraph I said I think you are wrong, but because I have [ not ] heard you say etc. important word...is not....so I didnt say you said bush= hitler.I know you have heard that before tho.
Collateral damage does not equal murder, you are right, and I was not talking about you, but people like nancy poloski or maxine waters.....who have said It does equal murder because bush wanted a war to help out enron. Then they say I support the troops....Its a lie they dont support the troops. It is the troops that are doing the killing.If they think it is murder than they are supporting the people doing the murder.I dont think so.
Of course you never called our troops murders, If you did I would have nothing to do with you..Again I didnt say you I said them like the two above.
So you miss understood everything from 1.to 4. in your reply.i hope you would read the 1 st para slower 1 more time.
thanks.
So demaw, your pretty well settled in on your firearm choice huh? :D
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No GTO the term Mr.black doesnt meen anything to me, who is Mr.black.
on another note, u could always make napalm outa gasoline and styrofoam then pour it into glass bottles put wax on the top them put a 4 second fuse on it and pack putty around the base of the fuse and make a hellacious grenade. Im not crazy and i dont look these things up i just have alota spare time after school.
hope i helped in any way:aok
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Jackal 1.. set on choice.
Well somewhat , since I enjoy threads like this I thought about it some ,.trying to picture this and that . For me, within the specs you mentioned,and what I own I think so.Its rugged,accurate as all get out,get a lot of ammo for 2 cases.Easy to bring to shoulder or fire from hip and easy to clean.
Yes I think so ,but that doesnt mean it is right for someone else,or that there isnt a better choice.
Superpug 1....ah...interesting posts. how are things at school,home?Well hope you have a good day.