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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: muckmaw on July 28, 2004, 02:05:46 PM
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Oh boy....
XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX WED JULY 28, 2004 12:56:02 ET XXXXX
CONTROVERSY SURROUNDS KERRY CONVENTION FILM: WAR SCENES REENACTED
**World Exclusive**
A bombshell new book written by the man who took over John Kerry's Swift Boat charges: Kerry reenacted combat scenes for film while in Vietnam!
The footage is at the center of a growing controversy in Boston.
The official convention video introducing Kerry is directed by Steven Spielberg protégé James Moll.
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Moll was given hours of Kerry's homemade 8 millimeter film to incorporate into the convention short, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.
"Kerry carried a home movie camera to record his exploits for later viewing," charges a naval officer in the upcoming book UNFIT FOR COMMAND.
"Kerry would revisit ambush locations for reenacting combat scenes where he would portray the hero, catching it all on film. Kerry would take movies of himself walking around in combat gear, sometimes dressed as an infantryman walking resolutely through the terrain. He even filmed mock interviews of himself narrating his exploits. A joke circulated among Swiftees was that Kerry left Vietnam early not because he received three Purple Hearts, but because he had recorded enough film of himself to take home for his planned political campaigns."
UNFIT FOR COMMAND, Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry, will be unleashed next month by REGNERY. [It ranked #1,318 on the AMAZON hitparade Wednesday morning.]
The films shot by Kerry's own Super 8 millimeter hand-held movie camera have the grainy quality of home movies.
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The BOSTON GLOBE reported in 1996 that the Kerry home movies "reveal something indelible about the man who shot them - the tall, thin, handsome Naval officer seen striding through the reeds in flak jacket and helmet, holding aloft the captured B-40 rocket. The young man so unconscious of risk in the heat of battle, yet so focused on his future ambitions that he would reenact the moment for film. It is as if he had cast himself in the sequel to the experience of his hero, John F. Kennedy, on the PT-109."
"John was thinking Camelot when he shot that film, absolutely," says Thomas Vallely, a fellow veteran and one of Kerry's closest political advisers and friends.
NEW YORK TIMES bestselling author Lt. Col. Robert "Buzz" Patterson in his new book RECKLESS DISREGARD, details one of the claimed Kerry reenactments for film:
"On February 28, 1969, now in charge of PCF 94, Kerry came under fire from an enemy location on the shore. The crew's gunner returned fire, hitting and wounding the lone gunman. Kerry directed the boat to charge the enemy position. Beaching his boat, Kerry jumped off, chased the wounded insurgent behind a thatched hutch, and killed him. Kerry and his crew returned within days, armed with a Super 8 video camera he had purchased at the post exchange at Cam Ranh Bay, and reenacted the skirmish on film.
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read the last line again.
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This was posted earlier in the "kerry = Hero" thread...
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"Kerry and his crew returned within days, armed with a Super 8 video camera he had purchased at the post exchange at Cam Ranh Bay, and reenacted the skirmish on film."
1970 Mekong Delta!
Commander Kerry: Crew lets go reenact this thing and film it!
Crew: Yes Sir!
Rest Deleted - I apologize Pongo.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
"Kerry and his crew returned within days, armed with a Super 8 video camera he had purchased at the post exchange at Cam Ranh Bay, and reenacted the skirmish on film."
1970 Mekong Delta!
Commander Kerry: Crew lets go reenact this thing and film it!
Crew: Yes Sir!
2004 AH BBS!
Commander Kerry: Pongo, get on your knees son! Zzziiiip!
Pongo: Yes Sir!
;)
wow. No banning for that one I guess.
All I was pointing out was he didnt "bring" the camera to vietnam you great bloated oaf. No reason to start slobbering out your homoerotic fantasys.
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That was a bit over the line don't you think Grun?
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I was merly pointing out your bizzare need to automatically defend Kerry, even when he does outrageous things like this. It was meant to be a joke, yet it seems you took more offense with the way I said it than it was intended. Sorry bout that.
Does it really matter whether he brought the camera from home or bought it in Vietnam? Not really, considering how he used it.
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Originally posted by Pongo
wow. No banning for that one I guess.
All I was pointing out was he didnt "bring" the camera to vietnam you great bloated oaf. No reason to start slobbering out your homoerotic fantasys.
Why would he be banned for this? Are you anti-gay? Are you a homophobe?
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Originally posted by Pongo
wow. No banning for that one I guess.
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I'm really surprised Pongo got so upset by this. I specifically wrote "2004 AH BBS" to highlight the fact that it was only a metaphor based on the IMO sheepish way Pongo posts in defense of Kerry. It was never meant to imply that Pongo was a gay...
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You can do things to Liberal people, but we can't do things to you. That sounds fair, doesn't it?
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If Pongo was anything of a man, he would get on his knees!
And apologise :p
Glas
JG13 Lokis Kinder
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The message received is more important than the message sent.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
The message received is more important than the message sent.
Absolutely, its all in the recepient's perception. Thats why I apologized immediately and thats why I'm going to great lengths to explain what I meant. Pongo and I disagree on a bunch of stuff but he is a great guy and I dont want to offend him to the extent he sems to be offended now.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
The message received is more important than the message sent.
Originally posted by midnight Target
I have had it with you're BS Hortlund. You really aren't that bright either are you? In fact you are quite stupid aren't you? Why by golly you just might be semi retarded isn't that right?
:aok
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Yep, meant every word too.
Richard.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
The message received is more important than the message sent.
Not when it causes this much embarrasment.
If it is true (wasnt it reported from a ragbag of a paper?) then he should hang his head in shame.
If it's true, the world has to live with Bush and his crap foreign policies for another 4 years.
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GH that was the most disgusting personal attack that probably has ever been delivered on this BBS. What they do about it is up to them I guess. If they chose to do nothing then I guess we have established what the tone of this BBS is.
I never defended Kerry. When you serve in the military you see officers do all kinds of stupid things. All I said was be accurate. He never brought it to Vietnam, He went and bought it after the action. I know it makes no difference to you if a statement is accurate or not. That is well established. It does make a difference to me.
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**** I should have waited with the violins until now.
Pretty big words there Pongo, for someone who isnt shy about accusing fellow posters of being nazis. But maybe its worse to be a homosexual than a nazi in your opinion...ymmv.
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Originally posted by Pongo
GH that was the most disgusting personal attack that probably has ever been delivered on this BBS. What they do about it is up to them I guess. If they chose to do nothing then I guess we have established what the tone of this BBS is.
I never defended Kerry. When you serve in the military you see officers do all kinds of stupid things. All I said was be accurate. He never brought it to Vietnam, He went and bought it after the action. I know it makes no difference to you if a statement is accurate or not. That is well established. It does make a difference to me.
In the first paragraph, I thought you were having a laugh and was waiting for the punchline.
After the second, I thought that you really ought to get a life.
Did you really take offence to his statement?!
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I didnt even defend the guy GH. I just told the poster to read his own post.
You appology and explanation are not accepted. There is only one way to interpret your post.
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Originally posted by Pongo
I didnt even defend the guy GH. I just told the poster to read his own post.
You appology and explanation are not accepted. There is only one way to interpret your post.
IMO, regardless of whether he did or didnt mean it the way it was construed, your reactions are way over the top.
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Grun seems pretty sorry Pongo. Do we need to call Airhead and schedule a walk on the beach?
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Originally posted by Glas
IMO, regardless of whether he did or didnt mean it the way it was construed, your reactions are way over the top.
List the varios ways you feel it can be constued.
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Hey Pongo quit being a studmuffin!
:D
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Nah, Pongo cant be this silly. My bet is that its his way to derail the thread to something else than Kerry and his Vietnam movies.
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yes because that is very important.
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Originally posted by Pongo
List the varios ways you feel it can be constued.
The point wasnt how it was construed, the point was regardless to how it was construed, your reaction was way over the top.
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Originally posted by Nash
yes because that is very important.
Now, now, no more wit from you young man! Clear this thread for the scheduled Kerry bashing.
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Pongo:
I was not implying you were actually a homosexual. It was a bad joke, you took it very badly and I'm sorry that I wrote it and I'm sorry that I offended you.
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Pongo,
C'mon dude, don't take Grun seriously as obviously he was joking.
Because he makes a joke about you and Kerry doesn't make it true.
No one here has that much power over anyone else here.
For the record, no one here thinks that you're homosexual only because of what Grun posted.
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Grun, How's the D70 doing? Any pics?
A good friend of mine sold his Canon (D60) equipment and bought the D70. He really loves the overall performance in a lightweight package.
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Originally posted by SaburoS
Hey Grun,
Make him happy and delete that part of your thread. He got offended by it. Otherwise it'll lead to the next 30 posts talking about it.
You guys are sensitive, eh?
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Originally posted by Glas
You guys are sensitive, eh?
Apparently Pongo is on this particular subject. You seem to be sensitive to Pongo's sensitivity ;)
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Carl Rove is getting desperate, using Drudge to sling this against the wall again hoping for it to stick.
Here's a bit of a disclaimer to this article...
Then, the NYT’s Bill Keller wrote a column trashing Kerry as “the ersatz J.F.K., who fancies himself a global strategist because 30 years ago he faced down a Vietcong ambush” (see THE DAILY HOWLER, 8/13/02). Kerry’s a plenty strange dude, Keller said. “[W]ith all due respect for his exploit,” the scribe asked, “how utterly weird is it that he then took out his handy 8-millimeter camera and re-enacted his heroism on film?” But oops! In a later column, Keller acknowledged that he had misstated the content of Kerry’s “home movies” from Vietnam (see THE DAILY HOWLER, 9/9/02). “[T]he senator’s movies are not self-aggrandizing. Mr. Kerry is hardly in the film,” Keller said. Where had Keller obtained his bogus info? Where else? He had relied on the “usually dependable” Boston Globe, the misinformed Times pundit said.
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Love the D70. :)
Deleted part of post.
I hope Pongo realizes I meant no offense or to imply that he was gay. Moreover I hope sees that my response to his reaction is an indication of my general goodwill towards him. Otherwise I would not go to such lengths to apologize. Additionally as this thread developed I could have responded in a much more abusive way if my intention was to cause harm or to upset him. But I did not because that was never my intent. It was a bad joke.
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I thought not.
Big surprise.
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lol.... Skuzzy sure did put the fear of god into you, Grun. ;)
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Love the D70. :)
Deleted part of post.
I hope Pongo realizes I meant no offense or to imply that he was gay. Moreover I hope sees that my response to his reaction is an indication of my general goodwill towards him. Otherwise I would not go to such lengths to apologize. Additionally as this thread developed I could have responded in a much more abusive way if my intention was to cause harm or to upset him. But I did not because that was never my intent. It was a bad joke.
Grun, Thanks. It should be obvious that you were only joking. I deleted my posts as they're not necessary.
So now we can go to more important things like bashing Kerry! (Oops, did I say that?) :D
What kinds of photography are you using your D70 for now? What areas does it just shine for you, and what areas do you feel it can use some improvement?
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:)
Nash I'm writing this beacuse I've gotten to know Pongo and I'm sad that I upset a person I like.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
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Bwahahaha!!!!
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Originally posted by AWMac
:rofl
:aok :aok :aok :aok
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
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:rofl
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the butter you doing AWMac?
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butter? LOL
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I hope Pongo realizes I meant no offense or to imply that he was gay.
(Not that there would be anything wrong with that.)