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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hortlund on July 28, 2004, 03:55:39 PM
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http://media1.stream2you.com/rnc/072304v2.wmv
This is a video of all Kerrys statements on Iraq since 2001.
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I saw that. It's a good video, and actually goes back to the mid 80's if you watch it all.
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Originally posted by Martlet
I saw that. It's a good video, and actually goes back to the mid 80's if you watch it all.
Yeah but watching it all is just for the Kerry bashers..
;)
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No one in the Sea,
is stronger than he!
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Outstanding.
I hearby dub this video 'John Kerry's Greatest Hits.'
Good to know that my meager financial contribution to the RNC is being put to good use.
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Despite being an obvious counter-point to F 9/11, it's going to be fun watching the lefties post rolley eyes and dismiss the whole thing as propaganda. Who among you will be the first?
:)
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This baby's gonna be punted till November. :cool:
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
This baby's gonna be punted till November. :cool:
then you better host the file yourself, somehow these kind of things seem to get "lost" or bandwith excceded easily.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
http://media1.stream2you.com/rnc/072304v2.wmv
This is a video of all Kerrys statements on Iraq since 2001.
dang ! you beat me to it.
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What a tool. Its too bad some renegade projectionist at a theater cant splice this in at an F911 screening.
I've said it before......I'll say it again.......Kerry is a walking talking noodle.
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Kerry is a blatant office seeker. He will morph into any position he thinks will help him climb one more rung up the ladder. He has no character whatsoever. The fact that a phony like him is in the running for the presidency is frightening. Then again, the last Dem president was Clinton, another empty shell.
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Once again, we are faced with electing the lesser of two evils.
This country deserves better.
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oh thats absolutely right sand. Both are very much less then ideal. I am steaming over Bush's immigration policies. Enough to where if I had a decent choice I wouldnt vote for him.
My choice comes down to this. I dont care what any party says, they both lie to stay/get in power. But when the enemy is at the gates who do I think will take care of me and my country first? Who will take the fight to the enemy's gates? Me personally its only once choice of the 2 we have. and it isnt Kerry.
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That's a viewpoint that, frankly Sandman, I reject.
I don't know what "better" looks like. Considering the political process that vetts these folks, I don't know where better comes from.
I don't know what better talks like, and I don't know what better would do differently if elected.
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I'm feeling fairly cynical today. ;)
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typical dumbacrat - talking out both sides of his mouth, no wonder the average dnc'er loves this guy
what a ****, someone flush this quick - its starting to stink - BAD
Bush isn't perfect but he has the fortitude to stick by his commitments and his beliefs, something NO ONE can say about skerry kerry ...
LANDSLIDE BUSH !!!
(http://stet.typepad.com/stet/gwb.jpg)
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Look at those eyes.
I recognize those eyes.
I wore those eyes......
Someone just offered Bush a coupla lines of coke.
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Then look at it this way... you Dems cant even put up a candidate capable of beating a coke head. ;)
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Hey, I aint knockin' cokeheads... Just makin' an observation :)
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The sad fact is we now have a no party system. Somehow, the Democrats felt a need to fill their backpack full of every wierd, extreme, social cause they could find. Reagan was a democrat before this crap. Now, people react with their guts over social issues, so we have no choice but to vote for a moron because the Democrats refuse to realize we are electing a President and not a priest. I too will vote for this moron who will hurt me economicaly, give business more incentive to screw me, make health care a HMO bottom line, penny pinching, consultan skimmed, executioner, because I wont embrace the ridiculous fringe groups the Democratic party has prostituted itself for. As Reagan said- "I didn't leave the Democratic pary, they left me." Well lately I'm getting the sinking feelin that I'm an orphan.
Just one question - in 1980, who would've taken a the intelect of George W. seriously? Would he have been a contender against Reagan? Obviiously not. Its damn scary there is nothing better out there. We are in sad, sad, shape.
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Fair question...
But let me ask you this.
You said Bush will "hurt me economicaly"
"Give business more incentive to screw me"
"Make health care a HMO bottom line"
And describe him as a "penny pinching, consultan skimmed, executioner...."
But you like him, because he doesn't "embrace the ridiculous fringe groups the Democratic party has prostituted itself for."
Nevermind the kids wearing "free the tree's" shirts, or whatever it is you define a democrat as...
I'd like to hear you put into just as personal terms and just as succinctly as you did with the republicans what it is you fear from democrats.
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>>I'd like to hear you put into just as personal terms and just as succinctly as you did with the republicans what it is you fear from democrats.
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The corruption of the morality that was common in my youth.
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which is.....?
See, with your rail against the repubs you entered the real world. How exactly it is that it affects you, personally.
With the Dems you offer only vague.... whatever it is?
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No, its not vague at all - its just a different part of the the brain, mind, psyche -whatever the hell you want to call it. Its moral beliefs. People react with their gut on morality - there's probably some complex biological brain chemistry reason for it, but we do.
I can handle being screwed on a car purchase. I CAN'T handle "Why Jane has two mommies" in elementary schools. So I select what I percieve as the less of two evils. I can deal with the invasion of the tangable or material, but not the intangable. People change slowly, and it just will NEVER happen at the pace the Democrats are trying to shove change down peoples throats. My TOTAL beef with Democrats is the social agenda. But its an impassable beef. I will NOT support their social agenda. Its that simple. So I'll vote for someone else who will screw me in a less invasive way.
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I think I can speak from a certain amount of personal experience when I say that physical tangible changes, positive or negative, are real...
Beliefs... ideas.... positions and stances.... the things that challenge you intellectualy, are the only fleeting things. That's not a bad thing. In fact it should be valued. These fleeting beliefs should be welcomed and embraced as they come and go.
But recognized for what they are.
It is absolutely crazy what mankind believed even a hundred years ago. But it is as equally appaling, some of those beliefs. They seemed normal at the time, I'm quite sure. Much as, perhaps, some of the things you think now. Do not however think you are exempt from the cold judgement of history. It's merciless and we laugh at it here on this very retarded BBS today.
The "intangible" offers you color, perspective and growth. Getting screwed on a car deal merely robs you.
Don't fret... Your daughter will not be giving a blow-job to a gay Cuban based on anything she might learn from CNN or FOX or the Democrats.
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Originally posted by Nash
Look at those eyes.
I recognize those eyes.
I wore those eyes......
Someone just offered Bush a coupla lines of coke.
Nash....
THat absolutely disgusts me that you would use that in this way... You of all people should realise that is far from being a joke. :mad:
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Jeeze Bodhi...
I can't help but keep getting reminded of this whenever I say something someone doesn't like.
Don't like it? I must be high.... right?
That's the context of the lame joke... take it where ya want.
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Originally posted by Nash
Jeeze Bodhi...
I can't help but keep getting reminded of this whenever I say something someone doesn't like.
Don't like it? I must be high.... right?
That's the context of the lame joke... take it where ya want.
Nash, I have never thrown anything of your past in your face... if anything, I have been more than supportive of you and your life after the fact. Sadly, I felt that you took a cheap shot over a photo using your past for a political statement.. that in itself is wrong, and u damn well know it.
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Yeah but Bodhi - It wasn't about you.... so I'm not sure why you decided to take it personally.
In fact... The poster of the pic in question has made several references to my past, post-clean...
So maybe there's more to it than meets the eye?
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fuggit I don't care what you say..
Bodhi and Eagler, I love ya like a brother.
s'all.
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>>Don't fret... Your daughter will not be giving a blow-job to a gay Cuban based on anything she might learn from CNN or FOX or the Democrats.
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I hope that was wry and not meant to paint the concern as superficial.
A lot of "changes" in idealogy that are presented by the media are smoke and mirror illusions. Think of Massachusetts, with all its Kennedy bread open minded liberals. Then remember the bussing riots of the early 1970's. Then think of the redneck deep south Louisianians, who's Catholic schools were intergrated in 1962 - two years before it was federaly mandated.
In fact, Arch Bishop Rummel excumunicated the few parish officials ( and a lawyers group) who would not go along with the desegragation - in *1962* deep in the redneck south.
The point here is the change happened on a personal, moral level. Not a federal madate of "how you should think."
Morality is not superficial. Its not always right either but I believe I have a right to it if isn't hurting another citizen. My morality is my identity, and its worth no less than yours. I really wish it would be removed from what is superficial - politics.
I really don't care about another persons sexual orientation, but I'll be damned if I give up the right to explain it my child. I'll be damned if I let the state handle that.
That just won't happen.
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Originally posted by Nash
Yeah but Bodhi - It wasn't about you.... so I'm not sure why you decided to take it personally.
In fact... The poster of the pic in question has made several references to my past, post-clean...
So maybe there's more to it than meets the eye?
Anyone that chooses to pick at your past is a bastard that is undeserving of any compassion or forgiveness for any mistake in their life.
I can not begin to tell you how much I envy you Nash, why you were able to survive, and my brother not is something that will continuely baffle me till my lifes end... Ya see the reason I took an interest in you is that you remind me so much of my brother... alive... and a vibrant personality... I learned more over the past 18 months, more that allowed me to see the "you" that I respect to this day.
Frankly were we in a room and someone ragged you about your past to cause harm... they would find it hard to walk out of the room uunder their own power. I respect your acomplishemnt Nash, but better yet, I the recoverd you.
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Ya forgot one more important thing... he's got a damned sexy voice. ;)
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Great post and I salute you Tweety.
Originally posted by TweetyBird
[BThe point here is the change happened on a personal, moral level. Not a federal madate of "how you should think."
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Amen...
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Thanks Bodhi... so much.
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Nash, I too
you if you are recovering (or trying to recover), and my prayers are with you. Very recently, there was a tragedy in my family, and I appreciate the battle you go through. Fight the good fight - never give up.
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Alotta you aren't gonna be able to relate to this...
er maybe that's not so true... It depends....
Lets see...
Has anyone of you lost a loved one, dear to you? How about a failed relationship? A job you cherished...
Something significant.
The first long while, you think about it every day.
Months go by, and gawdammit in some small way it still creeps into your thoughts.
You start to think about the day that you look back a day and say "my god, I didn't think about it at all yesterday!"
But you just did....
You start to suspect that this conundrum occupies a more nagging position than the actual reason for the manifestation of the conundrum.
I haven't yet not thought about heroin each and every day.
But I think that I am no longer thinking about heroin, but of the thoughts of it.
Each day I get closer to forgetting... but like someone you love breaking up with you, or dying, there is this thing that grabs you just before drifting to sleep...
"You almost went through an entire day without thinking of me."
Fortunately (or unfortunately) I know exactly how this plays out.
One day I'll be walking down the street and it will hit me like a ton of bricks... "You didn't think about it at ALL yesterday."
That realization will cause further weeks of thinking about it... But its hold is now gone. It's no longer a subconscious happening... It's a matter of clinging.
And the days spent not thinking about it will begin to outnumber the days spent thinking about it...
Until finally, it'll be a forced memory... Much like one reminisces about an old girlfriend.
Had a coupla nice dances, but thank god ya didn't marry the biatch.
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>>Has anyone of you lost a loved one, dear to you? How about a failed relationship? A job you cherished...
Something significant.
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Yes. July 17. I watched him die for 35 years.
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Lets not forget who started the mess in Iraq in the first place and sold the world on a bunch of lies. Or tried to.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
Lets not forget who started the mess in Iraq in the first place and sold the world on a bunch of lies. Or tried to.
...-Gixer
Good point, that would be Saddam Hussein.
If he was clean and smart after the first Gulf War none of this sanctions, inspections, UN resolutions, no fly zones, cruise missle attacks, bombings, deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqis and finally the invasion need not have happened.
BTW if you are, as I suspect, trying to make some cheap point by saying Bush is the one who lied to us then lets not forget that the illustrious Senator Kerry not only lied right along with him wrt to WMD but also authorized the war with his Senate votes - he shares a part in same responsibilty for this "mess." If you dont belive that was his stance up to the war, please look at Senator Kerry's own words presented in the video.
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Originally posted by Nash
Alotta you aren't gonna be able to relate to this...
er maybe that's not so true... It depends....
Lets see...
Has anyone of you lost a loved one, dear to you? How about a failed relationship? A job you cherished...
Something significant.
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I lost my car keys the other day. Pissed me off to no end. Does that count?
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LOL Grun,
Sadam? Iraq was a war of choice, all the terror,wmd's are just an excuse. Proved to be a bunch of lies and there's yet to be any evidence found at all to back them up.
Funniest thing is that prior to 9/11 Powell and Rice both quoted as saying Sadam wasn't a threat. Iraq has nothing to do with the war on terror. Other then to give OBL a early xmas gift. Divide the world,ruin US credibilty and support around the world and overall create a massive mess. Not to mention the ever growing numbers of dead,maimed and wounded.
It's just a big con, surely with all the evidence since and current affairs around the world even you can see that? Please don't tell me you feel safer today because you invaded Iraq?
...-Gixer
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So all the fuss about Iraq in the 1990s after the first Gulf War was for nothing?
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Originally posted by Gixer
Lets not forget who started the mess in Iraq in the first place and sold the world on a bunch of lies. Or tried to.
...-Gixer
acting on the available intel which later may or may not be false does not equal "sold the world on a bunch of lies"
sound like another brain dead moore-on fan
if the intel would have been 100% accurate and Bush did not act, and the unthinkable did happen - Bush would have been hung from the highest dogwood tree in DC with me slapping the horse's arse he was sitting on ...
sometimes you are "damned if you do and damned if you don't" ... We need a Leader with the fortitude to Lead not change his stance with every political wind whether that wind is domestic or international
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"sound like another brain dead moore-on fan"
That's a good one, Moore-on very funny you thinik of that one yourself or is that one going around the republican message boards?
Actually I saw 9/11 and thought it was pretty poor other then for the bit with Britney chewing gum, her B neckless and bimbo sounding voice and praise for the president.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
So all the fuss about Iraq in the 1990s after the first Gulf War was for nothing?
Can you elaborate more on the 90's and how that justifies the invasion of Iraq?
I thought it was because they had mass stockpiles of WMD's and developing even more deadly chemical and nuclear weapons to be launched against the free world.
Or that's what congress were sold and managed to succeed for some reason. And what they tried to sell to the UN (but failed) to justify the war, no? Nothing about the 90's.
Of course he was a bad man and used chemical weapons in the past, but funny enough nothing was done then to slap his wrist. Because he was being supported at the time by the US? Maybe just a "don't do that again".
Iraq was seen as a easy target and a war of choice no matter how much the Bush admin or others try and spin it. There's just no substantial evidence to back up what was said after 9/11 to justify the war. Unless your trying to include a truck trailer and a couple shells of old mustard gas.
After all that's happend and the state that Iraq,the region and the world are in today. Can you really say that it was worth it and justified? Even Bush himself has given up on alot of his original arguments.
Be interesting in 20 years time how historians look back on the "war on terror" A great moment for freedom or a farse? Tend to believe it will be the later.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
Be interesting in 20 years time how historians look back on the "war on terror" A great moment for freedom or a farse? Tend to believe it will be the later.
...-Gixer
that is what you and other Bush haters would like to think but history will prove you wrong .. it will show the spark of Freedom started in Iraq and spread into its adjacent countries ..
sorry - this will not happen tomorrow, not all things in life are a 30 minute sitcom
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So all the sanctions and embargoes and bombings and inspections of Iraq during the 1990s after the Gulf War were for nothing?
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Then look at it this way... you Dems cant even put up a candidate capable of beating a coke head. ;)
And the last Demo prez couldnt even smoke a joint correctly!
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
morality - there's probably some complex biological brain chemistry reason for it, but we do.
I think God has written right and wrong on our hearts.
Some call it a conscience.
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Originally posted by Eagler
that is what you and other Bush haters would like to think but history will prove you wrong .. it will show the spark of Freedom started in Iraq and spread into its adjacent countries ..
sorry - this will not happen tomorrow, not all things in life are a 30 minute sitcom
"Spark Of Freedom" Who comes up with these catchy simple minded phrases for the media to spin to the public? Though alot backfire of course, "Mission Accomplished" "Bring em on". I mean really they and treat us neanderthals. Though (and even more amusing) unfortuntely some believe in what ever they say and keep on repeating it, even in their own arguments.
Reminds me of the 50's 60's Communist fears and terror spread amongst the poplulation in that Communism was trying to take over the world and a threat to all. Helped by the spin and infamous media hyped "Domino Effect".
Of course it was all false and nothing more then over hyped propergander. Though it did have one purpose and that was to make the arms manufactures rich and help support a mistake like Vietnam.
You don't think Vietnam was the spark that stopped the spread of communism do you? As that war was lost to the evil communists but it didn't spread any further did it?
As I suspect the spark of Freedom will spread any further then to any other countries in the region. As even with the freshly installed puppet government It's having a hard enough time spreading to anywhere even outside of the green zone.
Look at Afghanistan, good to get rid of the Taliban but replaced with what? A puppet leader with no power,no army and only a handfull of US troops to support him. No wonder nothings changed in that country outside of the capital and that the warloards still pretty much control things.
Of course they attempted to have ellections a few months back, but that was scrapped of course for security reasons. Guess they will try and give Democracy another go later.
Personally, I think the only thing the "spark" has created in Iraq is a state of Anarchy. Good terroists bad for democracy and freedom.
Just how long is the US willing to stick it out in IRaq to try and make that change to Democracy and Freedom in Iraq? 5,10,20 years? I doubt it.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
"Spark Of Freedom" Who comes up with these catchy simple minded phrases for the media to spin to the public?
second time you accuse me of using catch phrases, sorry they are me own words
to pull out before they can handle it themselves is not an option
sry bush isn't some weak willed dumbacrat and this isn't Haiti or Somalia
(http://international.ucla.edu/asia/lessons/margolis/iraq_files/bush.jpg)
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Originally posted by X2Lee
And the last Demo prez couldnt even smoke a joint correctly!
LOL, I'll bet he did inhale.
He just didn't know how to tell the truth in that matter.
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Originally posted by Eagler
second time you accuse me of using catch phrases, sorry they are me own words
to pull out before they can handle it themselves is not an option
sry bush isn't some weak willed dumbacrat and this isn't Haiti or Somalia
(http://international.ucla.edu/asia/lessons/margolis/iraq_files/bush.jpg)
Your own words, really? Bush himself would be proud of that one. Maybe you should email his admin and they might be able to fit it into a few speeches.
And give him something else to say when he tries to talk off the cuff to the press other then at most a few mumbling or repeating "terror" "freedom" "freedom loving people" etc etc.
Somalia and Haiti, true but they didn't have any incentives like oil did they?
...-Gixer
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I'm curious Gixer if the USA was so hell bent over Iraqi oil why then was it the very same USA that was the most ardent supporter of the sanctions, the very same sanctions that prevented Saddam from selling oil and prevented US companies from working in Iraq?
Certainly the USA would be comfortable working with Iraq and Saddam as we had done in the 1980s and Saddam would be sure to sell the Oil to the USA. And even if he did not, here is no way he could stop it getting to the USA. Moreover, the incresed flow of Oil would lower crude prices worldwide and this too would benefit the USA and US oil companies who purchase crude a great deal.
Why didnt the USA just urge the UN to drop the sanctions - if the USA argued this the UN would likely follow..
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Originally posted by Gixer
Somalia and Haiti, true but they didn't have any incentives like oil did they?
dunno, you need to talk to france, russia and germany about that ....
I wish it was about the oil, tired of dropping $$$ to fill up the cars every week..
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Time to bring back this baby