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Title: Binary system
Post by: Nilsen on July 29, 2004, 02:39:01 AM
Knowing the fairly simple morsecode system i have taken it upon myself to learning the binary system

i have 12 letters  and "space" symbol (00100000) memorised now but i think the big problem is gonna start when i get to symbols.. i know its completly useless knowledge but its kinda fun to know :D

anyone else here know it?
Title: Binary system
Post by: Maniac on July 29, 2004, 02:51:34 AM
Get a Job!

:aok
Title: Binary system
Post by: Nilsen on July 29, 2004, 03:06:05 AM
i already have 1,2 jobs :D


........this is just for fun
Title: Binary system
Post by: Holden McGroin on July 29, 2004, 03:11:21 AM
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Originally posted by Nilsen
i already have 1,2 jobs :D


........this is just for fun


you mean 1, 10 jobs dont you?
Title: Binary system
Post by: Nilsen on July 29, 2004, 03:13:51 AM
havent calculated how may hours ive worked in my second job this year, but it may very well be 1,1

hmm...was that some binary lesson that i didnt get?

001100010010110000110010


-edit_ hehehe, got it now...2 = 10
Title: Binary system
Post by: Gunslinger on July 29, 2004, 08:29:50 AM
Neilson when I was going through basic electronics course we actually had to add and subtract binary numbers....why.....just to do it.

Binary is not that hard to do but it does get a little trickier when you start to get into hexadecimal.

Really it is rather usless now.  Only the very basics of circuits (wich are usually miniaturized now) will out put anything that you can actually read w/ an o'scope.  have fun though :aok
Title: Binary system
Post by: ra on July 29, 2004, 08:52:09 AM
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but i think the big problem is gonna start when i get to symbols.

Why would symbols be any more difficult than letters?  They're all 8 bits.
Title: Binary system
Post by: Nilsen on July 29, 2004, 09:10:46 AM
well ra....there are so many odd symbols that i hardly ever use with typing "normal" way so they are to abstract.

^¨'*-¨¨ ...etc
Title: Binary system
Post by: Nilsen on July 29, 2004, 09:14:31 AM
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Neilson when I was going through basic electronics course we actually had to add and subtract binary numbers....why.....just to do it.

Binary is not that hard to do but it does get a little trickier when you start to get into hexadecimal.

Really it is rather usless now.  Only the very basics of circuits (wich are usually miniaturized now) will out put anything that you can actually read w/ an o'scope.  have fun though :aok


hehe, wasnt planning on using it for anything but fun and trimming the mind while on holiday... it tends to slow down even more then usuall when im out in the sun all day :)
Title: Binary system
Post by: Nilsen on July 29, 2004, 09:55:56 AM
anybody know where i can find a "binary typewriter"?

the one i use now is online, and id love to have a little FREE offline app that translates my typing to binary :)

(http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/6044/images/bin.gif)
Title: Binary system
Post by: Saintaw on July 29, 2004, 10:07:34 AM
http://www.onpoi.net/ah/binary.php
Title: Binary system
Post by: ra on July 29, 2004, 10:16:06 AM
01010100011010000110100101110 01100100000011010010111001100 10000001110100011010000110010 10010000001110111011011110111 00100111001101110100001000000 11101000110100001110010011001 01011000010110010000100000010 00101010101100100000101010010

http://nickciske.com/tools/binary.php
Title: Binary system
Post by: StSanta on July 29, 2004, 10:17:47 AM
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Originally posted by ra
Why would symbols be any more difficult than letters?  They're all 8 bits.


Depends on the character set.

If someone momorizes the Unicode set, I'll be impressed :D
Title: Binary system
Post by: Nilsen on July 29, 2004, 10:47:00 AM
lol ra :D

noone got a link to an offline app?
Title: Binary system
Post by: Dago on July 29, 2004, 11:38:14 AM
Wow, you are really gonna impress the girls with your knowledge of binary code.  I would spring it on them early in the date, start discussing how interesting the binary code is and how you can use it.  Doing so will probably save you the cost of a meal, as she will immediatly remember something critical that she must leave to do, or she will remember someone dieing she needs to go see immediatly.  :D

Some of the other great uses for your new hobby:

Putting on a resume under "hobbies" or  "interests"

Having it read some sad day when you are eulogized "knew the binary code"


:D

Learning is never a mistake.


dago
Title: Binary system
Post by: Sandman on July 29, 2004, 11:39:36 AM
There's a guy I work with... when he feels stressed, he writes numbers on sheets of paper.

One day, he left the note. Took us a minute or two to realize what it was and then we weren't sure we should be amazed or just scared. It was pi (without the 3), down to over 200 decimal places.
Title: Binary system
Post by: Nilsen on July 29, 2004, 11:52:11 AM
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Originally posted by Dago
Wow, you are really gonna impress the girls with your knowledge of binary code.  I would spring it on them early in the date, start discussing how interesting the binary code is and how you can use it.  Doing so will probably save you the cost of a meal, as she will immediatly remember something critical that she must leave to do, or she will remember someone dieing she needs to go see immediatly.  :D

Some of the other great uses for your new hobby:

Putting on a resume under "hobbies" or  "interests"

Having it read some sad day when you are eulogized "knew the binary code"


:D

Learning is never a mistake.


dago


lol....already have a gf and she has given up on me a long time ago..

to much work to break in a new one. dating is for the gambling nutters, i like to go where i know ill get some.
Title: Binary system
Post by: nuchpatrick on July 29, 2004, 01:25:08 PM
Even worse if you know useless TTL Logic..  ARGH!!:rolleyes:
Title: Binary system
Post by: Nilsen on July 29, 2004, 01:26:24 PM
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Originally posted by nuchpatrick
Even worse if you know useless TTL Logic..  ARGH!!:rolleyes:


thats so 90's

binary is cool again....get with the progamme dork! :D
Title: Binary system
Post by: nuchpatrick on July 29, 2004, 01:31:34 PM
I hate binary too many O's and 1's! :lol
Title: Re: Binary system
Post by: Samiam on July 29, 2004, 02:16:34 PM
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Knowing the fairly simple morsecode system i have taken it upon myself to learning the binary system

i have 12 letters  and "space" symbol (00100000) memorised now but i think the big problem is gonna start when i get to symbols.. i know its completly useless knowledge but its kinda fun to know :D

anyone else here know it?


Let's be clear here. There are no letter or symbols in binary. Binary is simply a way of representing numbers as powers of 2.

To get from binary to letters and symbols you need to introduce some standard encoding system, like ASCII - which uses an eight-bit byte to encode letters, numbers and symbols.

ASCII is what the PC was based on, but EBCDIC was the standard for mainframe computing.

Nowadays, what with internationalization being important and the ASCII character set being limited, multi-byte Unicode encoding is the main stream - at least at the application layer.
Title: Re: Re: Binary system
Post by: Nilsen on July 29, 2004, 02:42:33 PM
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Originally posted by Samiam
Let's be clear here. There are no letter or symbols in binary. Binary is simply a way of representing numbers as powers of 2.

To get from binary to letters and symbols you need to introduce some standard encoding system, like ASCII - which uses an eight-bit byte to encode letters, numbers and symbols.

ASCII is what the PC was based on, but EBCDIC was the standard for mainframe computing.

Nowadays, what with internationalization being important and the ASCII character set being limited, multi-byte Unicode encoding is the main stream - at least at the application layer.


Im sure thats all true Mr. :) My reason for picking the binary system is just cause its very simple, yet hard to remember because its very abstract and will without a doubt trim my memory.  Im not gonna use it for anything other than that and maybe annoying my friends with knowing it :D
Title: Binary system
Post by: FUNKED1 on July 29, 2004, 02:44:46 PM
Nilsen did you read Cryptonomicon or the Baroque Cycle?
Title: Binary system
Post by: Nilsen on July 29, 2004, 02:46:05 PM
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Nilsen did you read Cryptonomicon or the Baroque Cycle?


:confused:
Title: Binary system
Post by: JB73 on July 29, 2004, 02:53:04 PM
you know, if you know alot about binary and what it represents, it shouldnt be too hard to learn to "write" in it.

00000000 = 0
00000001 = 1
00001000 = 8
01000000 = 64

that stuff i know off the top of my head. give me a binary number and i can tell you it's numerical value.

as posted before, its all about the conversion though. using ASCII?

then just memorize the order of the charecter set.

memorize every 20th charecter, and "count" from there

you want charecter 162 well memorize that 160 is whatever then count up in charecters.

162 i beilieve = ¢
Title: Binary system
Post by: Nilsen on July 29, 2004, 03:00:09 PM
thx for the lesson JB73 :)
Title: Binary system
Post by: mietla on July 29, 2004, 03:17:01 PM
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Nilsen did you read Cryptonomicon or the Baroque Cycle?


or do a division in Roman numerals
Title: Binary system
Post by: Nilsen on July 29, 2004, 03:21:55 PM
no, but i fell on my bike once and that really hurt. chipped 2 teeth and got myself 2 small scares in my face :)
Title: Binary system
Post by: 2bighorn on July 29, 2004, 03:23:44 PM
Ahhh what.... Binary is soooo boring, besides, takes too much space.

Cool guys do hex :D 7ab530
Title: Binary system
Post by: JB73 on July 29, 2004, 03:32:42 PM
1111 = F
0000 = 0
in between... if you dont know hey

796F 7520 616C 6C20 0073 7563 6B20

have fun!

saddest part is i did 3/4 of that in my head
Title: Binary system
Post by: Manedew on July 29, 2004, 03:37:28 PM
ya base 16 handsomehunk.....  base two is just silly :D
Title: Binary system
Post by: DJ111 on July 29, 2004, 03:37:36 PM
01011001011011110111010100100 00001100001011100100110010100 10000001100001001000000111001 00110010101110100011000010111 00100110010000101110000011010 0001010


:p
Title: Binary system
Post by: JB73 on July 29, 2004, 03:37:53 PM
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Ahhh what.... Binary is soooo boring, besides, takes too much space.

Cool guys do hex :D 7ab530
WTF is

zµ0

supposed to mean????
Title: Binary system
Post by: Nilsen on July 29, 2004, 03:41:20 PM
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Originally posted by JB73
1111 = F
0000 = 0
in between... if you dont know hey

796F 7520 616C 6C20 0073 7563 6B20

have fun!

saddest part is i did 3/4 of that in my head


we all suck do we? :D
Title: Binary system
Post by: Nilsen on July 29, 2004, 03:42:21 PM
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Originally posted by DJ111
01011001011011110111010100100000011000010111001001100101001000000110000100100000011100100110010101110100011000010111001001100100001011100000110100001010


:p


back at ya DJ :p
Title: Binary system
Post by: DJ111 on July 29, 2004, 03:45:39 PM
01000001011101110111011101110 11100101100001000000111001101 10100001110101011101000010000 00111010101110000001000000111 10010110111101110101001000000 11100100110010101110100011000 01011100100110010001100101011 00100001000000110011101100101 01110010011000100110100101101 1000010111000101110

:D
Title: Binary system
Post by: JB73 on July 29, 2004, 03:59:30 PM
57656C6C2C2073696E63652077652 061726520616C6C2074726164696E 6720696E73756C747320696E20746 865206D6F7374206765656B792066 617368696F6E20706F737369626C6 53A206765742061206C6966652079 6F752033302079656172206F6C647 32C206C6976696E6720696E206D6F 6D277320626173656D656E742C207 7616E6E61206265206861636B6572 2C206E3030622C20646F6C742C206 4776565622C206A65726B2D6F6666 2C206D6F726F6E732E0D0A0D0A6A3 030205220346C6C2050574E334421 212100
Title: Binary system
Post by: Nilsen on July 29, 2004, 04:02:25 PM
lol JB...your spelling is awful btw, and im 29..not 30. rest is all wrong tho :D
Title: Binary system
Post by: Nilsen on July 29, 2004, 04:03:59 PM
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Originally posted by DJ111
0100000101110111011101110111011100101100001000000111001101101000011101010111010000100000011101010111000000100000011110010110111101110101001000000111001001100101011101000110000101110010011001000110010101100100001000000110011101100101011100100110001001101001011011000010111000101110

:D


01100010011011000110000101101 000001011100010111000101110
Title: Binary system
Post by: DJ111 on July 29, 2004, 04:04:52 PM
No, j00 h4v3 b33n pwn3d n00b!!!11 OMG LOL


:rofl
Title: Binary system
Post by: 2bighorn on July 29, 2004, 04:05:12 PM
Quote
Originally posted by JB73
WTF is

zµ0

supposed to mean????
Arrghhhh!!!!!!!!!!
 7ab530 --> 8041776 --> July, 4th, 1776
Title: Binary system
Post by: DJ111 on July 29, 2004, 04:05:53 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Nilsen
01100010011011000110000101101000001011100010111000101110


01001101011001010110100000101 1100010111000101110
Title: Binary system
Post by: ra on July 29, 2004, 04:16:40 PM
01010111001100110010000000110 10001110010001100110010000000 11001100110001011010010010101 10011001100100001
Title: Binary system
Post by: vorticon on July 29, 2004, 04:55:06 PM
hmm...doesnt it work something like

       0    0    0  0   0 0 0
  128 64 32 16 8 4 2 1

so 10 would be

1010

and 81 would be

1010001
Title: Binary system
Post by: AKIron on July 29, 2004, 06:05:13 PM
Binary is just so black and white, I prefer to view the world with analog. :D
Title: Binary system
Post by: JB73 on July 29, 2004, 06:14:49 PM
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Originally posted by vorticon
hmm...doesnt it work something like

       0    0    0  0   0 0 0
  128 64 32 16 8 4 2 1

so 10 would be

1010

and 81 would be

1010001


well actually

0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
128 64 32 16 8 4 2 1



1 0 1 1 0 1 1 0
128 0 32 16 0 4 2 0 = 182

1 0 1 0 0 0 0 1
128 0 32 0 0 0 0 1 = 161


you got the 10 right though

the biggest thing is "compression" 10 is 1010.. but that's only 4 intigers. all binary sequences are 8 integers. where are the other 4? you have to put 4 0's in front like this: 00001010

use windows calculator in scientific mode, type a dec number in, and you can make it binary or hex.
to be perfectly honest though i have NO clue how a computer tells where the number change is, IE compression by removing unused zeros in front of numbers. i know that was one of the first compressions. taking the number 82 and representing it as 1010010 only 7 integers. put a series of numbers 245 82 51 together they show fully as 111101010101001000110011

those bolded zeros can be removed. but taken out translated legit = 2012339 not even close.

i dont think i'll ever get the leading edge zero removal.. but thats what that is all about
Title: Binary system
Post by: JB73 on July 29, 2004, 06:19:53 PM
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Originally posted by Nilsen
lol JB...your spelling is awful btw, and im 29..not 30. rest is all wrong tho :D
yeha? screw yuo!

hahahaha

but my hex thing was speelt right form what i see!!!
Title: Binary system
Post by: JB73 on July 29, 2004, 06:21:22 PM
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Originally posted by ra
01010111001100110010000000110100011100100011001100100000001100110011000101101001001010110011001100100001
j00 kn0w 1t!!!!!!11