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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Torque on March 12, 2000, 07:13:00 PM
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Seems I have about a 10 fps increase BUT!
Now motion is shuddering especially in barrel rolls while firing guns at 44 fps.
Never had the problem before this Version.
Gladly trade back the 10 fps for that smooth motion.
Tried all rez and bits, v-sync on/off all latest drivers formatted HD and fresh install of AH.
A400 128 ram AWE 64 CL Rivatnt 16 mg
Anyone else having the same problem....?
Thx
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[This message has been edited by Torque (edited 03-12-2000).]
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Yup,
I have the same problem. I have tried everything to get rid of it. It happens in all resolutions and even while the FPS counter reads higher than 60. This problem is so wierd because it is not consistent...sometimes it is barely perceptible and other times...well I can't fly at all (above and beyond my complete lack of skill of course). I have done all the usual things:
1. Eliminated all background programs.
2. Reinstalled AH.
3. Reinstalled video drivers.
4. Defragmented the drive.
5. Cleaned and compacted the registry.
6. Tried a PDPI L4 game port.
7. Setup a fixed swap file.
8. Fixed the VCACHE settings.
The "stuttering" is most apparent whenever the world is being rotated, be it in pitch or roll. It literally freezes the screen for about 0.3s and then accelerates to the proper orientation. It can happen as often as every 45 degrees in a barrel roll (8 times per revolution). It happens in offline and online modes and is independent of gunfire. The problem started with version 1.0.
My system is as follows:
P2 450
128 Mb RAM
ABIT BX6 MB
V3 3000
SB Live
TM Gear w/B. Church's Digital Chips
Any help is much appreciated!
xmab
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I too have noticed a increase in FPS, it happend about the same time i turned off ground clutter, so its hard to say whether it's just the ground clutter being turned off or not. I have a hunch there is an minor FPS increase.
As for jerky graphics when plane rolls (ie barrel roll) i havent noticed.
What does your frame-rate indicator say? (remember its a time-average so you may want to roll for a dozen times or so - offline)
Also any diff between online and offline?
All i can suggest, maybe try to re-install direct-X to 7A i know 7 had USB probs, it may be that - do you use USB?
Also put the latest video drivers on AFTER you re-install direct-x
It could be your video card aint up to it. Does it happen in lower resolution modes? Colour depths?
You machine sounds more than enuf.
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Supreme Mega-Overlord Spatula
"...perfect for serving"
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When I switched to Hi Res in Warbirds I had the same stuttering problem. It turned out to be cause by the little modem icon in the system tray. If you have a little modem down there you need to remove the icon from the tray. That was it for me.
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had same prob same solution
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Thx but I've tried it all, does anyone have ver 1.0 still?
I would like to compare the two versions.
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Uh, I was thinking to be the only one to have this problem.
I have a PIII600E@800 with a GeForceDDR so I'm sure I have enuff horsepower.
I lost that beautiful smoothness (during rolls) when the new horizon graphic came out.
Gatt
4^Stormo CT
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Xmab,
Do you think the PDPI gameport card helped? Did it speed up the frames?
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Same prob here. Tried everything too, except removin modem-icon.
I wonder if that really can be the reason.
Maik
<JG 2 Richthofen>
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Try and if there is a conflict somewhere not readily apparant. Start with the sound card. Disable it in device manager, reboot and then fly. If doesn't do it (I notice a common factor of Creative products here) then maybe think about another sound card? If it does then at you ruled out a sound card - vidcard - Aces High program issue.
For reference I have a PII 333, 192mbsdram, WIN95B, V770 Ultra and a Diamond MX300. None of the problem being reported here.
I only get a brief hit intermitantly when icons pop up. Not all the time and it's never been much of a problem - except when I did not realise I was heading into a cloud of enemy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
-Westy
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Originally posted by Toad:
Xmab,
Do you think the PDPI gameport card helped? Did it speed up the frames?
Xmab;
I was wondering the same thing, because I was looking at getting one.
I am not so much worried about frame rate as I am concerned about smoothing out my Thrustmaster. I had heard that this card converts the analog output of the joystick to digital. Do you find that it helps in this way?
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
Trainer
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I'm going to give Westy's suggestion a shot as I have also noticed the creative soundcards to be a common thread. Unfortunately, the stuttering occurs in offline mode too when the modem icon is not in the systray.
Not to change the thread, but I figured I'd reply about the PDPI card questions. I have not noticed a frame rate increase between it and the SB Live port. However, it does appear to smooth out analog joysticks somewhat. Furthermore, it completely removes the whole poll with interrupts issue. If you have a TM F22Pro/F16 FLCS and a TQS I HIGHLY recommend Bob Church's replacement chips. You can read about them at http://home.att.net/~stickworks/. (http://home.att.net/~stickworks/.) It was the best $60.00 I've ever spent on computer gear.
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I ran into this stutter problem when I purchased a new monitor...
I tried a variety of things (unfortunately at the same time) and solved the problem.
One of the things I tried was turning off the modem display. Another thing I tried was increasing the refresh rate of my monitor to 85Hz. I think that's what cured the problem for me. YMMV.
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Originally posted by xmab:
I'm going to give Westy's suggestion a shot as I have also noticed the creative soundcards to be a common thread. Unfortunately, the stuttering occurs in offline mode too when the modem icon is not in the systray.
Not to change the thread, but I figured I'd reply about the PDPI card questions. I have not noticed a frame rate increase between it and the SB Live port. However, it does appear to smooth out analog joysticks somewhat. Furthermore, it completely removes the whole poll with interrupts issue. If you have a TM F22Pro/F16 FLCS and a TQS I HIGHLY recommend Bob Church's replacement chips. You can read about them at http://home.att.net/~stickworks/. (http://home.att.net/~stickworks/.) It was the best $60.00 I've ever spent on computer gear.
Thanks!
Unfortunately I have the the "Trackball" style TQS. It is old and so am I. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
BTW I'm in the market for a "Eraser Head" style TQS if anyone has one for sale.
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
Trainer
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I've had the same problem. Got a PIII 550, 128 MB RAM, and a Voodoo3 2000 video card (16 MB, PCI). I'll give the modem icon bit a try, and the DirectX re-install. Thanks.
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Sabre, a.k.a. Rojo
(S-2, The Buccaneers)
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Thx for all the input but I do believe it has something to do with what HTC did to improve Frame rate. Since the problem started right after that patch and I didn't change anything on my machine before and after the patch. I had smooth play before now it's pretty crappy in tight furballs. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Torque, I too have noticed this and did some test.
1: it only is noticable in forward veiw.
2: choppy forward veiw while doing barrelroll, and maintaining 70 Frame rate.
3: it is intermitant, and has no constant. ( sometimes it's choppy, other times not)
NUTTZ
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I didn't post this earlier because I had to remember how to do it. Here is how to get the little modem icon in the systray to disapear:
You must be in Windows Explorer (not Powerdesk or some such substitute)
Go to Dial Up Networking: Desktop/My Computer/Dial Up Networking
You will see along the top edge of the screen a pull down menu called "Connections"
Pull it down and select "Settings"
Uncheck "Show an icon on taskbar after connected"
That's it.
rust
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We don't know yet, but HT is suspecting that this problem is now happening when frame-rates are surpassing monitor refresh rates. If anyone can verify this, it would be very helpful.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
No sniveling!
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It looks like it Pyro.
I solved Problem with reducing Res and increasing Refresh Rate on my monitor.
Maik
<JG2 Richthofen>
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how do you increase refresh rate in monitor plz?
THKS
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It depends on your video card capabilites.
But usually if you right mouse click on your desktop, choose properties, go to the settings tab there should be a choice there.
If not it might be under and 'advanced' button on the settings page itself.
If not there you might not have the selection choice or it might be under another tab in your diplay properties. It might have the vid card manufacturers name on the tab like Diamond or 3dFx...
-Westy
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Thx Westy,
was just about to figure out how to "tranlate" german menus into english (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
Just 1 thing to add, if u don't have a PnP-Monitor, watch it's Hardware-Specs, you might shoot it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Maik
<JG2 Richthofen>
[This message has been edited by maik (edited 03-14-2000).]
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Thought it might have been that too bad my monitor will not get over 60 hz.
yeah she is an old horse thx Ver...bah...shrubbery
[This message has been edited by Torque (edited 03-14-2000).]
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Torque, unless you have a very very old monitor it should do more than 60Mhz.
One thing most people forget to do, is load the correct driver for their monitor, while concentrating on having the correct driver for your video card.
Check control panel and in "Display", make sure it on the left hand side about half way down, it says "Montior Brand/model" with "XXX video card". If it says "Plug and Play" or "VGA Monitor" or something like that, you need the correct specific monitor driver most likely.
Example (mine says): Princeton EO90 Monitor on a NVidia GeForce 256 Card.
If it says: Plug & Play monitor on a NVidiaGeforce 256 Card.
It would mean I have the correct video driver, but a generic monitor driver.
Hope that helps.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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[This message has been edited by Vermillion (edited 03-14-2000).]