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Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: FUNKED1 on July 29, 2004, 08:09:37 PM
Where do I hand in my genitals?
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: Nash on July 29, 2004, 08:12:03 PM
I assume you were a conservative before this big life change?

Then the answer is easy.

You never had any.
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: emodin on July 29, 2004, 08:12:42 PM
Wait, didn't you do that when you got married? :D
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: Thrawn on July 29, 2004, 08:13:10 PM
Edit: Nash beat me to it.   :(
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: Nash on July 29, 2004, 08:14:20 PM
Well maybe we're stretching things a bit.

Funked may indeed have genitals (though the jury is still out).

He just never had any USE for them.

 :)
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: demaw1 on July 29, 2004, 08:16:11 PM
funked....that was stupid what did you expect....go to bed.



funked just read midnights thread I suggest you go away for a month...
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: Ripsnort on July 29, 2004, 08:25:09 PM
Sorry Funky, you can't switch parties.  You cannot place an emphasis on feeling rather than thinking.
Title: Re: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: ra on July 29, 2004, 08:27:55 PM
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Where do I hand in my genitals?

Hand em to Hillary, she has a collection.
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: Nash on July 29, 2004, 08:28:13 PM
... and we all know the Geedub is the posterboy of thinking.

wheeew......
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: Dnil on July 29, 2004, 09:01:51 PM
nash, thrawn...both you guys canadian?
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: Lizking on July 29, 2004, 09:03:02 PM
Why else would they have such genital knowledge?
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: Ripsnort on July 29, 2004, 09:12:11 PM
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Originally posted by Lizking
Why else would they have such genital knowledge?

:rofl :rofl
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: Thrawn on July 29, 2004, 09:17:16 PM
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Originally posted by Dnil
nash, thrawn...both you guys canadian?



Yeah, liberal and conservative mean different things up here.

Fiscally, I'm already conservative.  Socially the vast majority of Canadian you guys would consider liberal.
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: Nash on July 29, 2004, 09:19:34 PM
Yup, I consistently vote conservative up here as well.

Different thing...
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: B17Skull12 on July 29, 2004, 09:22:21 PM
funked stop being a phag.:)
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: FUNKED1 on July 29, 2004, 09:22:28 PM
The problem is that being "socially" liberal never stays that way.  It always ends up with grabbing more money out of everybody else's wallet.
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: Nash on July 29, 2004, 09:23:52 PM
Only difference is that these dip5****s are reaching into your kid's wallets but you refuse to see it.
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: Dnil on July 29, 2004, 09:28:45 PM
I figured it was kind of different up there as far and the lib/conservative thing went.

Was just wondering why you guys cared so much about what goes on down here.  I dont mean that in a snotty way, just sincerely curious.
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Post by: Saurdaukar on July 29, 2004, 09:29:42 PM
OMG, Funked finally met his sugardaddy?!?!
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: Thrawn on July 29, 2004, 09:50:43 PM
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Originally posted by Dnil
I figured it was kind of different up there as far and the lib/conservative thing went.

Was just wondering why you guys cared so much about what goes on down here.  I dont mean that in a snotty way, just sincerely curious.



Because you have all the ****ing nukes.

:D


I didn't call care as much as I do before Iraq.  I used to just think that Bush was a tard.  A tard without much of a mandate from the US citizens.  I still found US politics and social issues interesting.  You guys are a powerful nation and right next door.

But my interest became much greater because of Iraq.
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: Dnil on July 29, 2004, 09:54:26 PM
why? do you honestly think he is going to launch a nuke?
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Post by: Thrawn on July 29, 2004, 09:57:14 PM
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Originally posted by Dnil
why? do you honestly think he is going to launch a nuke?



No.  But I don't trust him not to start another ill concieved and justifitied war.  And he has been screwing us when it comes to "free trade".

I also think it's a bit off the deep end.
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: Dnil on July 29, 2004, 10:08:20 PM
and how does that effect/affect your life directly?  how does the war in iraq directly hurt you? how is this "free" trade stuff hurting you directly?
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Post by: Hyrax81st on July 29, 2004, 10:18:41 PM
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
The problem is that being "socially" liberal never stays that way.  It always ends up with grabbing more money out of everybody else's wallet.


But Libertarians are socially liberal. They don't want the government involved in any aspect of private lives. That also includes the intrusion of government taxation.
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: phookat on July 30, 2004, 11:14:42 AM
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
The problem is that being "socially" liberal never stays that way.  It always ends up with grabbing more money out of everybody else's wallet.


No, it doesn't.

Welfare = fiscal policy.

Gay marriage = social policy.

Prohibition = social policy.

Censorship = social policy.

Prosititution = social policy.
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: Thrawn on July 30, 2004, 11:51:15 AM
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Originally posted by Dnil
and how does that effect/affect your life directly?  how does the war in iraq directly hurt you? how is this "free" trade stuff hurting you directly?



My cost of living "directly" goes up.  I become "directly" less safe.
Title: Re: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: Habu on July 30, 2004, 11:53:29 AM
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Where do I hand in my genitals?


The comic in me wants to reply

Just put them up there on the unused shelf right next to your brain.

However I am not a liberal so I won't say that.
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: Dnil on July 30, 2004, 11:53:37 AM
how has you cost of living gone up?  how are you less safe then say 5 years ago?
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: FUNKED1 on July 30, 2004, 11:54:47 AM
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Originally posted by phookat
No, it doesn't.

Welfare = fiscal policy.

Gay marriage = social policy.

Prohibition = social policy.

Censorship = social policy.

Prosititution = social policy.


Ask one of these "socially liberal but fiscally conservative" canuckistanians what they think about socialized health care.
Yeah I told ya so.
"Socially liberal but fiscally conservative" is a liberal cop-out, a Kerryesque Waffleism.
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: FUNKED1 on July 30, 2004, 12:01:56 PM
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Originally posted by Nash
Only difference is that these dip5****s are reaching into your kid's wallets but you refuse to see it.


My cat's breath smells like cat food.
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: AKIron on July 30, 2004, 12:05:05 PM
Let's just all become liberal muslims and all our worries will be over. No more terrorism and no one will have to work for a living, well, except for the women. ;)
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Post by: Masherbrum on July 30, 2004, 12:08:31 PM
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Originally posted by Lizking
Why else would they have such genital knowledge?


This is Sig material.  

Karaya
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: Thrawn on July 30, 2004, 12:21:27 PM
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Originally posted by Dnil
how has you cost of living gone up?


Less Canadians employed.  Less manufacturing.  Less wealth being generated in Canada.


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how are you less safe then say 5 years ago?


Well Canada is number five on Al-Quaeda's hit list.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1080788091951_67/?hub=Canada


Granted I don't know where we were five years ago.  But some people argue, and I think successfully, that Iraq has turned into a recruiting ground for Al-Quaeda.

On top of that, the Bush Administration has spent well over 100 billion on the Iraq war, while the CIA's budget is only 3 billion.  I think that's a huge misallocation of resources vis-a-vis the war against terror.  Bush has also said that find OBL isn't a priority anymore.

I think these things make me less safe.
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: Dnil on July 30, 2004, 12:25:01 PM
so to employ more canadians you would be for more US outsourcing correct?

Also what is canada doing to improve its own safety?  This I really dont know, and would like to.
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: Thrawn on July 30, 2004, 12:25:40 PM
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Ask one of these "socially liberal but fiscally conservative" canuckistanians what they think about socialized health care.
Yeah I told ya so.
"Socially liberal but fiscally conservative" is a liberal cop-out, a Kerryesque Waffleism.



So you are going to pidgeonhole me because I'm "liberal" on one issue?  Sorry if I'm not an absolutist.  I'm not going to through out the baby with the bath water.  

:aok
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: Thrawn on July 30, 2004, 12:39:55 PM
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Originally posted by Dnil
so to employ more canadians you would be for more US outsourcing correct?



Not just for the sake of having them employed.  But in a situation were there is equitable, free trade between our countries.  Granted, that the US has an over 50 billion  trade deficit with Canada.  But we still do almost 170 billion dollars worth of equitable trade, where both countries benefit.  The tariffs and the solutions for them simply aren't fair.  I like free trade, I think Canada and Canadians can compete with the US, to the benefit of both our countries.


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Also what is canada doing to improve its own safety?  This I really dont know, and would like to.


Here's one thing.

http://www.dnd.ca/site/newsroom/view_news_e.asp?id=1228


We are also spending a lot of resources on tracking and finding terrorists cells in Canada.  And are working very closely with the US in this.  Canada may have been against Iraq, but we are certainly for fighting the war against terror.  And working closely with the US in this is for our mutual benefit.
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: midnight Target on July 30, 2004, 12:45:56 PM
Now I'm afraid to open this package I just received.. seems about the size of 2 plums.
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: Dnil on July 30, 2004, 12:50:59 PM
Do you think Kerry gives you a better chance at free trade?
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Post by: Thrawn on July 30, 2004, 12:59:36 PM
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Originally posted by Dnil
Do you think Kerry gives you a better chance at free trade?


I don't know.  I do now that Bush has been protectionist.  Kerry might be more, less, or the same.

I apply the same reasoning to politians I can actually vote for up here.  I vote for the new guy (multiparty system) depending on thier platform.  But I simply won't vote for the incumbant if they lied to me even once.


Bush has been protectionist towards Canada (and we are a country that the US even has a free trade agreement with), so I am against him (as well as for other reasons).

To quote Runsfeld, it's a known known.


Kerry might be.  

It's an known unknown.
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: FUNKED1 on July 30, 2004, 01:02:16 PM
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Kerryesque Waffleism
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Post by: phookat on July 30, 2004, 01:07:32 PM
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Ask one of these "socially liberal but fiscally conservative" canuckistanians what they think about socialized health care.


Yes, there are certain things that cover both fiscal and social issues.  And there are some that don't.  Pigeonholing always sucks, doesn't it.

For example, what is your position on the issues I listed above?
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: Thrawn on July 30, 2004, 01:08:19 PM
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Thrawn is unto like a god.
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: Dnil on July 30, 2004, 01:27:18 PM
fair enough.  thx for the reply.
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Post by: Stringer on July 30, 2004, 01:27:20 PM
I believe Thrawn prefers to use the word genetalia.
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Post by: mietla on July 30, 2004, 01:29:54 PM
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
a Kerryesque Waffleism.



like being pro-abortion but willing to risk his life to save a hamster and then adminster a CPR on it.

What a humanitarian.
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: mietla on July 30, 2004, 01:32:04 PM
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Originally posted by Thrawn
... while the CIA's budget is only 3 billion.



So, why don't you Canucks chip in another 3 billion? You  seem to see a threat after all.
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: Thrawn on July 30, 2004, 01:33:17 PM
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Originally posted by Dnil
fair enough.  thx for the reply.


Np, thanks for the civil discussion.


For the record, I prefer the term "jinatalia".



"like being pro-abortion but willing to risk his life to save a hamster and then adminster a CPR on it.

What a humanitarian."

Neat!  You arbitrarily assign me a characteristic then mock me for having it.


mietla is a tard.

And he's wrong because he's tardarific.
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Post by: Thrawn on July 30, 2004, 01:37:56 PM
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Originally posted by mietla
So, why don't you Canucks chip in another 3 billion? You  seem to see a threat after all.


Which has asolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand.  

2 for 2!   :aok
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: FUNKED1 on July 30, 2004, 01:38:14 PM
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Originally posted by phookat
Yes, there are certain things that cover both fiscal and social issues.  And there are some that don't.  Pigeonholing always sucks, doesn't it.

For example, what is your position on the issues I listed above?


Welfare - Kerryesque Waffleism.  I can be talked into agreeing that it is needed in some cases.  However I believe it should be reduced drastically, by an order of magnitude.  We need to get government expenditures down to about 10% of GDP to ensure the viability of our economy in the long run.

Gay marriage - Government should not regulate marriage in any way.  If people want to make contracts with each other there are plenty of laws on the books to cover that already.

Prohibition - Individuals can determine what they want to put in their body.  Government has no right to interfere.

Censorship - None of the government's business to tell us what to read or what to see or hear.

Prosititution - If two people agree to have sex it is not the government's business if they exchange money or anything else.
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Post by: mietla on July 30, 2004, 01:51:06 PM
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Originally posted by Thrawn

"like being pro-abortion but willing to risk his life to save a hamster and then adminster a CPR on it.

What a humanitarian."
Neat! You arbitrarily assign me a characteristic then mock me for having it.


mietla is a tard.

And he's wrong because he's tardarific.
 


I was talking about Kerry. I did not know that you are into saving hamsters as well :D
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Post by: Furious on July 30, 2004, 01:57:22 PM
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Welfare - Kerryesque Waffleism.  I can be talked into agreeing that it is needed in some cases.  However I believe it should be reduced drastically, by an order of magnitude.  We need to get government expenditures down to about 10% of GDP to ensure the viability of our economy in the long run.

Gay marriage - Government should not regulate marriage in any way.  If people want to make contracts with each other there are plenty of laws on the books to cover that already.

Prohibition - Individuals can determine what they want to put in their body.  Government has no right to interfere.

Censorship - None of the government's business to tell us what to read or what to see or hear.

Prosititution - If two people agree to have sex it is not the government's business if they exchange money or anything else.

So, politically this makes you, ______________?



(niether repliclown nor democrap, imo)

...but, I think you play the "conservative" on the board, cuz you enjoy the backslapping of the other political elite retards.   Silly.

Lazs has joined you.  Libertarians for republicans; it's like jews for jesus.
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Post by: Thrawn on July 30, 2004, 02:44:20 PM
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Originally posted by mietla
I was talking about Kerry. I did not know that you are into saving hamsters as well :D


I love all the little hamsters.  :o
Title: OK I've decided to become a liberal...
Post by: mietla on July 30, 2004, 02:56:07 PM
do you like little children too?
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Post by: phookat on July 30, 2004, 04:32:01 PM
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Welfare - Kerryesque Waffleism.  I can be talked into agreeing that it is needed in some cases.  However I believe it should be reduced drastically, by an order of magnitude.  We need to get government expenditures down to about 10% of GDP to ensure the viability of our economy in the long run.

Gay marriage - Government should not regulate marriage in any way.  If people want to make contracts with each other there are plenty of laws on the books to cover that already.

Prohibition - Individuals can determine what they want to put in their body.  Government has no right to interfere.

Censorship - None of the government's business to tell us what to read or what to see or hear.

Prosititution - If two people agree to have sex it is not the government's business if they exchange money or anything else.


Right, well, I agree with pretty much all of this.  I would call the above "fiscally conservative and socially liberal", in a general sense.  Would you not?  Certainly you can't call yourself a Republican...gay marriage and prostitution.
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Post by: Thrawn on July 30, 2004, 05:01:56 PM
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Originally posted by mietla
do you like little children too?



I luv dem too!
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Post by: mietla on July 30, 2004, 05:06:25 PM
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Originally posted by Thrawn
I luv dem too!


so you are pro-life
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Post by: Thrawn on July 30, 2004, 05:09:54 PM
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Originally posted by mietla
so you are pro-life


Nope a fetus is not a child.

But don't pigeonhole me yet!

I don't fit exclusively into a pro-choice mold, nor pro-life.  Neither side would accept me.


I'm pro-choice but am generally against late term abortions.
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Post by: AKIron on July 30, 2004, 05:11:20 PM
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Nope a fetus is not a child.

But don't pigeonhole me yet!

I don't fit exclusively into a pro-choice mold, nor pro-life.  Neither side would accept me.


I'm pro-choice but am generally against late term abortions.


I've never really understood this whole fetus/child thing. Is there some mystical moment when life enters a fetus and it becomes a human being?
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Post by: Thrawn on July 30, 2004, 05:17:33 PM
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Originally posted by AKIron
I've never really understood this whole fetus/child thing. Is there some mystical moment when life enters a fetus and it becomes a human being?


Depends on who you talk to.  Some people believe the act of a sperm entering an egg makes it a child instead of say a zygote.

The point that I believe a fetus becomes "human" is the point at which it can live outside the mother.


It's really a question of lable assignment.  And people say "semantics" is silly.  ;)
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Post by: FUNKED1 on July 30, 2004, 05:37:48 PM
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Originally posted by Furious
So, politically this makes you, ______________?



(niether repliclown nor democrap, imo)

...but, I think you play the "conservative" on the board, cuz you enjoy the backslapping of the other political elite retards.   Silly.

Lazs has joined you.  Libertarians for republicans; it's like jews for jesus.


The enemy of my enemy is my friend.  :)
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Post by: phookat on July 30, 2004, 07:03:17 PM
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Originally posted by AKIron
I've never really understood this whole fetus/child thing. Is there some mystical moment when life enters a fetus and it becomes a human being?


Damn good question.  Do *you* know the answer?  Can you prove it?

Or would you say every sperm is sacred?  In that case, you'd better not get a paper cut because thousands of blood cells will die, and each of them had a hand in creating your seed.  And don't forget the E. Coli living in your gut.  A thousand years of torment in boiling oil will you suffer for every fart.
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Post by: AKIron on July 30, 2004, 07:25:50 PM
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Originally posted by phookat
Damn good question.  Do *you* know the answer?  Can you prove it?

Or would you say every sperm is sacred?  In that case, you'd better not get a paper cut because thousands of blood cells will die, and each of them had a hand in creating your seed.  And don't forget the E. Coli living in your gut.  A thousand years of torment in boiling oil will you suffer for every fart.


I don't know. However, I think I know where callousness towards human life, especially the weakest and most vulnerable, will take us. Can Soylent Green be too far ahead? ;)
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Post by: phookat on July 30, 2004, 08:04:26 PM
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Originally posted by AKIron
I don't know. However, I think I know where callousness towards human life, especially the weakest and most vulnerable, will take us. Can Soylent Green be too far ahead? ;)


Yum. ;)  No, what I think is that, since we don't know and we can't ever know, we leave this decision to individuals, and depend on their own morality (i.e. their own definition of when a fetus becomes a child).  And those of us who are religious trust that God will dole out judgement when and where it is due.

It is not a matter of callousness.  We'd like to make a law about this, since it is a question of the possible taking of human life.  But laws must be precise, and in this case we simply don't know how to make the law.
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Post by: Toad on July 30, 2004, 10:26:08 PM
If I go into embryo farmin' fer a living, do I still get to drive a John Deere?