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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: hblair on June 08, 2001, 08:40:00 AM
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I am continuously surprised and taken aback by what I've seen in this game for almost two years now. I thought most guys, when faced with overwhelmimg odds in their favor, after a while, would swap countries like, say, in the main arena to help out the other side. Yet this never happens it seems, unless I have some part in it.
Same old thing with the RUMBLE 2001. My squaddies had expressed interest in flying allied, which would have been cool with me. But as always, the Luftwaffe is short on numbers, so, after an email from Nash, we decided The Assassins would be flying Luftwaffe again, which is no big deal. I decided to go to Nash's website and check the roster, and see who all we would be facing, and who all would be our wingies.
Good grief people. When are you guys going to realize you are not John Wayne? He made some good movies and I loved him, but he is dead. I can understand the guys who like allied planes; who are in allied squads, etc. But most of you old hats oughta be ashamed of yourself, but hey, when I get killed by 5 of you fighting over my G10, you can pat yourselves on the back and fantasize....
Allies
Hangtime - Lead
AKcurly
AKNimitz
AKSwulfe
ammo
Animal
Apache
bane
BodhiARM
bongo
CAMALEON
Citabria
Creamo
CUDA
DG
Doctor
Drex
eagleace
eddiek
Fariz
Fatty
Gordo
Gremlin
janneh
Juano
kanaya
Klem
Koba
Lephturn
liltimmy
MarkAT
mason
Midnight
NHCouger
Pei
Piedra
Pug666
RGJ
RWY
Sancho
Sandman
sax
Shamus
sshh
Storm
Thunder
Vati66
Vladd
Wrek
Axis
Hristo - Lead
android
Arrow
BlauK
Buzzard
Caligula
Camo
CP177
darkstar
DB603
Dingy
DmdBgm
Dmdlugs
DmdStega
Furious
Geeb
HanaG
hblair
IamBear
Jihad
minus
Regurge
sequence
Silat
ts
Vulcan
Wotan
Have a nice day!
:p
(I think nash said there would be even numbers, so half the allieds won't be flying anyway, but it sure felt good to post this :))
[ 06-08-2001: Message edited by: hblair ]
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Hmmm...I guess I should now dedicate myself to fly with the LuftWhiners for this event. Its the best way that I can help the Allies out and insure that I will be able to fly. :D
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Hmmmm dilemmas dilemmas dilemmas...
On the one side, we have those rutabagas the "FDBs".... on the other side we have those panzy assed fruit cake queers the ASSassins...
What's a straight man to do these days?
I'll start my own country and call it RUSSIA and beat both sides into the ground!!!
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-SW
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All the LW pilots quit.
AKDejaVu
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I fly allied because I want to win.
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The MA dynamic of one side being pummeled for long periods of time is one thing.
People not wanting to fly lw is another.
What was once a somewhat comical representation of German AC fans as LuftWobbles has become a stereo type as LuftWhiners.
There is a stigma attatched to it and people dont want to have it attatched to them.(that is the purpose of such things)
The map might be making people think twice to. It looks very complex and made me wonder what the aim was? If its intention is to even out the performance differences of the G10 vs the Pony then I would rather fly pony.
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I joined Allied because I didn't want to fight against Nim and Curly... I'd fly LuftWeenie otherwise, just so I could shoot Animal's parachute.
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:::chuckles::: Most pansies wait until after they get their bellybutton kicked to start making excuses, HBlair.
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I'm waiting to hear from fellow **MOL** squaddies but we may be able to take some of the slack with the Axis rides.
p.s. if you look at the Allied roster you will see many hanldles who fly LW iron predominatley in the MA. I find it a little strange they did not sign up for an Axis ride for the Rumble. <shrug>
- Westy
[ 06-08-2001: Message edited by: Westy MOL ]
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hold your horse there heath. You can scream all you want but last I checked the axis side doesn't have "p-47" in their available AC list..all frames.
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Dang Hblair! If I was subscribin, I'd be a flyin that LW iron. Still to early! There are some heavy names on the Allied list.
LW got their work cut out for them. They can be beat with good teamwork.
Good Luck LW flyers!! :)
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Originally posted by Swager:
LW got their work cut out for them. They can't be beat with the best teamwork.
I agree, the Allies are gonna whoop up on them LimpWristed LuftWeenies. :p
-SW
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i am gonna break out my extra special lederhosen with the olivia newton john head sown right on next to the 'keep on truckin' patch - the ones i dont talk about much cuz they're special.....all in preparation for the rumble - brang it on!!
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Ammo, read this part...
Originally posted by hblair:
I can understand the guys who like allied planes; who are in allied squads, etc.
:)
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Just to clarify a couple of things...
The numbers *will* be even, but that doesn't mean that I'm gonna erase any names from the Allied list come game day. If you've registered - you're flying. It just means that I have to write emails to squad COs, badger people on the private channel in the MA, and post messages on obscure Japanese bulletin boards etc. Pain in the arse, frankly :)
But I'm still completely confident that we'll be able to even this up - and that has a *lot* to do with guys like you hblair. <S!>
Secondly, someone mentioned that the map looks complex. Heh, wait 'til you've seen the *current* design. :) But it's only complex from an organizational standpoint. As far as each individual pilot is concerned, it cannot get any simpler for you.
It basically spits ya out into the fighting areas, and reduces the need for *any* ROE to practically nil. I'll bring y'all up to date on it very soon, but believe me - the map has nothing to do with evening out the performance differences in the various planes, and everything to do with making this fight go as smoothly as possible.
Anyways, I would say this...
Despite the imbalance, if you want to fly Allied that's perfectly cool with me. I don't want to force people to fly planes they aint comfortable with. However, if yer undecided... it'd be great if you'd consider evening up the numbers a bit.
To register for Rumble 2001:
http://modena.intergate.ca/personal/cwharton/sbm/rumble2001/index.html (http://modena.intergate.ca/personal/cwharton/sbm/rumble2001/index.html)
[ 06-08-2001: Message edited by: Nash ]
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i signed up for allied because that is what i fly. i took a look at the list before i sent the request in. First thing that came to my mind was this is kinda lopsided.
RWY
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I'll fly Axis (I take it that by "Axis", you guys mean "German" as usual?) if I am available at the time.
I'm not a great stick, but I can usally do OK.
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By Axis, we mean German, Italian, Finnish and Japanese :)
Good to hear you may be signing up for the Axis, Karnak. I'll not write yer name in until you know for sure if you can make it.
Oops... just saw that you've registered. Attaboy :)
[ 06-08-2001: Message edited by: Nash ]
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Nash,
I'll drop you an e-mail when I get home. 1 PM on Saturday, July 14th looks doable.
I'll probably fly an Fw190D-9.
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"Secondly, someone mentioned that the map looks complex. Heh, wait 'til you've seen the *current* design. But it's only complex from an organizational standpoint. As far as each individual pilot is concerned, it cannot get any simpler for you.
It basically spits ya out into the fighting areas, and reduces the need for *any* ROE to practically nil. I'll bring y'all up to date on it very soon, but believe me - the map has nothing to do with evening out the performance differences in the various planes, and everything to do with making this fight go as smoothly as possible.
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thanks for the clerification Nash
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Well, normally i only fly LW crap, and a occational F4UC when I can afford it for one sortie.
I used to fly the Niki, but its a tard magnet. 5 guys will get killshootered on themselves in a tard train chasing it like its a Tempest, because a minority made up some dumbshit UFO tag on it.
What you need to look at HB, is the list itself.
I chose ALLIED knowing I'd have alot of fun guys to fly with. Thunder,Storm, the FDB's, Curly etc... aren't going to geek out on it.
LW whiner label aside, there is just alot of anal folks that take toejam waaay to serious, and that would spoil the whole thing for me anyways LW side.
Well, hell, mAybe not, I guess. It would be cool to try.
It CERTAINLY in my case has toejam to do with John fukin Wayne. The LW planes are better, at least in my prefrence.
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I think it's mainly that everyone's lookin for a good piece of ASSassin. :p
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Originally posted by Creamo:
LW whiner label aside, there is just alot of anal folks that take toejam waaay to serious, and that would spoil the whole thing for me anyways LW side.
Wearing leather pants, and having to constantly rate yourself (read: ranking yourself Hauptmann, etc) gives them a false sense of power and makes them think they are so much better than you.
This is why most of them are jackholes.
-SW
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Hblair, you leather-wearin' LuftWaffle whining pansie! Your whines have backfired and cause the worst end result you could possibly hope for. I just signed up to fly for Axis. :eek:
SOB
...LuftWhiner is an attitude, not a plane choice.
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What I don't want to hear is "109 come down here!" in the radio buffer. If given the oppurtunity, I'll probably be flying very conservatively.
Having RWY, drex, and citabria on the opposing side is going to make for a long day, or maybe very short. ;)
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Thanks SOB. We appreciate it.
I'll wear my high heels just for you.
:p
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I like a good fight, but on the other hand a great squeal is just as good. Squeal HB, Squeal!
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You know.. one thing I don't get Hblair...
what the hell is a "hard-nosed" fight?
-SW
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<shaking head>
Well obviously, it's the opposite of a soft-nosed fight, handsomehunk!
:p
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I personally like this "Go To Hell" better.
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being the only allied survivor of the first rumble I want some payback :D
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Kill!
Kill!
Kill!
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I'm right in the middle of moving to my new home, so the odds are I will miss the rumble. So there is an easy kill for you, hblair. I know you would rather have a hard-nosed fight, but I'm sure you enjoy an easy one now and then.
Drex
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A hard-nosed fair fight, or a sure kill, which do you prefer?
For me usually these are one and the same. :)
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Hmmm... what to say?
Lemme try this... I've always preferred a 'hard nosed fight' to the 'easy kill'.
I figure the Rumble will be pretty much the same as the MA from the 'ace' perspective. in either the Rumble or the MA, the plane yer flyin againsts pilot identity is a mystery till one of yah die.
The list of names means damn little.. every one of 'em dies when yah shove a load of lead into his plane. We will all be flying against the 'enemy'.. red dots, at less than 3.5k.. beyond that; it's anybodys guess who or what it is.
So.. rather than concentrating on the relative merits of the pilots list; look instead to the organization and teamwork of your flight groups. Singletons and 'legends' will not win this. Teamwork will.
That is all. <S!>
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
Hmmmm dilemmas dilemmas dilemmas...
I'll start my own country and call it RUSSIA and beat both sides into the ground!!!
-SW
No ya won't. It sounds like you are also completely invested in the gangbang win cuz it's easy mentality.
I have noticed that each time someone posts in here and complains or makes a point about unfairness or numbers way out of proportion to fun and fairplay, they are labelled as whiners. Must be very comfy if ya can make it so yer always on the winning side. I'm not impressed by any of it.
By the text of what the man said, he was expecting one thing, and got, or is getting another. It defies logic to willingly engage in a losing effort no matter how well you and yer wingies fly. So, whats the issue here, whining or flying in an activity which all can enjoy? Hmmmm?
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Well typed, Hang!!!! :)
You are a credit to your....your....your....cat!
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Originally posted by Don:
No ya won't. It sounds like you are also completely invested in the gangbang win cuz it's easy mentality.
I have noticed that each time someone posts in here and complains or makes a point about unfairness or numbers way out of proportion to fun and fairplay, they are labelled as whiners. Must be very comfy if ya can make it so yer always on the winning side. I'm not impressed by any of it.
By the text of what the man said, he was expecting one thing, and got, or is getting another. It defies logic to willingly engage in a losing effort no matter how well you and yer wingies fly. So, whats the issue here, whining or flying in an activity which all can enjoy? Hmmmm?
:cool:
Woohoo! We have a winner here!
:::NEWS FLASH:::
The original post is well over a month ago.
Since then, both sides have become exactly even. In fact, the almighty uber and overmodelled ALLIES are DOWN by 5 pilots.
I just love proving someone wrong. <G>
-SW
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Actually, I prefer an easy kill :). Not that good dogfighting. Generaly loose 1 on 1. Don't really know why I signed up for it.
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Well with the Axis side having Japanese planes included I guess the Allies should expect to see a horde of N1Ks flying around. That outta even things up a bit :D
hmmm, sounds like a typical day in the MA...
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Maybe...
Except there aint any Nikis in this :)
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Hblair, I still think you're a whiner! And now that I'm flying in your group and I know that Killshooter will be off, I've decided that you'll be my first victim!
Hmmm...If I killed enough of my own teammates, I'd probably end up with the best k/d ratio and get the free month too! Ooh the possibilities! :D
SOB
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S!
To me odds look like good ole times over Germany, back in the GreatRunForBerlin ;)I don't care if I get pinged in the first second or last.I am there for a flight and to learn from the other pilots.By studying them U beat them ;)And being called a LuftWhiner and other names..oh well..name of the game I suppose.
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A few years back, I was sailing against the SF yacht clubs top guns in the one-tonner series they used to host. I was an 'out of towner', didn't know the terrain so to speak and was there to skipper a boat our club had qualified, but the owner couldn't sail; and didn't even know most of my crew.
We took the start and windward leg after a furious taking duel with a hot boat that even had an 'afterguard'. (coupla guys standing next to the skipper, giving him advice) At the top mark that boat ran at me like he was gonna cut me in half. I had the right-of way, hollerd "STARBOARD!" and gave him not an inch... but at the last second; ducked under his transom to avoid the collision.
I put up the protest rag; continued the duel from second place till a favorable wind shift caught me first.. and went over the finish line about a 1/3 boatlength ahead of him.
Turns out the 'afterguards' were Tommy Blackaller and Dennis Conners. The race committe was very annoyed I'd hoisted a protest pennant.. seems folks don't 'protest' what those aces do 'on their course'. I withdrew the protest.. and later that evening at the mixer I was approched by Blackaller.
I asked him why he pulled that port side barge at the first mark and he said "Figured you knew who we were... and if you did; you'd duck. If yah didn't we'd a been on the new boat 3 races sooner, and we wouldn't be gettin your dirty air any more. Protest or not; you'd be outta the series, and SF's #2 boat woulda taken the race. Oh. Just so you know, if we'd a won that race; the committee woulda tossed the protest. Nice race; kid. See yah out there tomorrow."
I caved... and finished the series in 4th... not my boat; my responsibility was the saftey of my crew, and finishing the series with the owners boat intact.
I learned a coupla things that day tho. :)
1. You'll never know how good you are, or how good your teamates are if you don't compete against the best.
2. Never assume the rules were writtin for everybody.
3. Competition destroys gods.
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Ya...... like Hang said! *hic*
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Thunder
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Vulcans gonna be pissed... you showin around nekkid pictures of his wife 'n all..
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The original post is well over a month ago.
Since then, both sides have become exactly even. In fact, the almighty uber and overmodelled ALLIES are DOWN by 5 pilots.
I just love proving someone wrong. <G>
-SW
SW: I stand corrected and am glad, as it does prove one aspect of the point I was making. :)
Now, the allies side ought to be balanced out so that numbers will be even. But, even numbers don't count for everything. I suppose for me, the moniker one gets for speaking up about a thing (whining) is what I object to the most, whether it be a month ago or currently. :)
Thank you fer setting me straight
;)
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Anytime! ;)
-SW
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Originally posted by Mark Luper:
Actually, I prefer an easy kill :). Not that good dogfighting. Generaly loose 1 on 1. Don't really know why I signed up for it.
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Hehe, Markat, probably cuz its fun, and something to do, and is different from the usual MA competition :)
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Originally posted by SOB:
Hblair, I
Hmmm...If I killed enough of my own teammates, I'd probably end up with the best k/d ratio and get the free month too! Ooh the possibilities! :D
SOB: Yer a sick individual
SOB
:p
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There are ways of winning regardless of the numbers
The Art of War -Sun Tzu
Appear at points which the enemy must hasten to defend; march swiftly to places where you are not expected.
An army may march great distances without distress, if it marches through country where the enemy is not.
You can be sure of succeeding in your attacks if you only attack places which are undefended. You can ensure the safety of your defense if you only hold positions that cannot be attacked.
Hence that general is skillful in attack whose opponent does not know what to defend; and he is skillful in defense whose opponent does not know what to attack.
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Originally posted by Don:
SOB: Yer a sick individual
:p
I like to think of myself as an opportunist! :D
SOB
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If I'm in a fair fight.... I planned it wrong.. ;)
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Next rummble just throw everyones name in a hat, and let the leaders take turns picking.
Sax
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Originally posted by sax:
Next rummble just throw everyones name in a hat, and let the leaders take turns picking.
Sax
If you did that Sax, then there wouldn't be any reason for whining would there? Isn't that half the fun of the rumble? The whining afterwards? :)
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Somebody asked in another thread what the RUMBLE was. Well, it started in 2000 with a rift between Hangtime and Hristo. Hangtime at that time was a vocal P51 driver/fan and is a red blooded American. Hristo, I think lives in Finland (somewhere in Europe) and was a big time Luftwaffe advocate. Well in the summer of 2000 there was a big rift between the Luftwaffe and the American Iron contingent. Hristo and Hangtime were bitter enemies. Nash got wind of this and came up with the idea for the first Rumble. All Axis took off from one field, Allies from another, whomever was left alive had bragging rights. In that first Rumble, the Axis sent the Allies packing. I think every single Allied plane was shot down except for citabria (fester). Seems like he limped home in his P38 and was able to land.
Well, last year Nash ran the Rumble again. We had a custom built terrain and many participants. I started this thread trying to drum up support for the axis as the Allied contigent was out for blood after their big loss in '00. In the end, the '01 RUMBLE was a huge win for the Allies. The Axis were soundly defeated by Ack running Face shooting Allies .
So there's a quick history in a nutshell. If you're fairly new to Aces High, I encourage you to participate. You'll have fun.
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Are the two mutually exclusive?
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two what?
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i like both sometimes the easy kill is just the right thing to get you up and at um again after being shot down repeatedly. on the other hand a hard fought kill is much more rewarding and gives you an even bigger boost "c'mon! lemme at um!!" usually followed by being shot down repeatedly in my case...it's an awful cycle but i love it!
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I don't care as long as a chute pops out.
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Can someone link me? I don't know what RUMBLE 2002 is...
thanks
DmdKanth
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Here's the link to RUMBLE 2001 (http://modena.intergate.ca/personal/cwharton/sbm/rumble2001/index.html)
Some funny stuff.
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Heh, its gonna be hard to improve on the 01's Flash Intro..