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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Dead Man Flying on July 29, 2004, 10:15:47 PM
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Those predisposed to favor Kerry believe he delivered a rousing acceptance speech that demonstrated his presidential caliber and answered any doubts about his credibility. They believe that now, more than ever, Kerry shall become the next president.
Those predisposed to favor Bush believe Kerry delivered a horrible, sweaty speech which was heavy on flowery and utopian visions but light on detail and substance. They believe that now, more than ever, Kerry has shown himself incapable of assuming the office of the presidency.
Just respond and quote the position you hold so we can save ourselves from countless threads and endless pages of predictable partisan bickering.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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It was kinda like F 9/11. People saw exactly whatever they went to see. If they watched without any preconceived ideas about what to expect, they just walked away confused.
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Todd is 1/2 right.
:D
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What did Kerry say that hasn't been said at every Democratic convention for the last 30 years?
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Originally posted by VOR
It was kinda like F 9/11. People saw exactly whatever they went to see. If they watched without any preconceived ideas about what to expect, they just walked away confused.
Couldnt agree more with you VOR, if people are pure republicans there is nothing that will change their mind about kerry and if someone is pure democrat there is nothing that will change their mind about Bush.
What people really need to do is open their eyes a bit and realize that both parties do have valid points and vote based on who they think have more valid points. Lets face it with todays politicans none of them are perfect and they all rely on money from big business. Because of this all politicans are going to have issues completly actin on their own beliefs and they have to awnser to the people paying for them to be in office. I truly belive the best candiate for president would be someone who was a billionaire that didnt need special interest money to fun for office, but whats the chance of that happening.
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I agree w/ MT.
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>>Couldnt agree more with you VOR, if people are pure republicans there is nothing that will change their mind about kerry and if someone is pure democrat there is nothing that will change their mind about Bush. <<
Agree completely. This speech was for the other 15%, like Republicans who don't particularly care for George W. It was a nationalistic theme. Personaly, I'd have left out any referance to radicals like Sharpton. But ya know what - all these years of voting GOP for the sake of social issues has changed NOTHING. It has made me suffer economicaly and, low and behold, almost split NATO. George W. came close to doing what the USSR never could accomplish.
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Tweety is zactly right.... and the left/right crap is for the birds.
This speech was for that undecided 15%, and either I'm a complete idiot (arguable), or it reached them.
That was the job at hand, and it was a job well done.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Those predisposed to favor Bush believe Kerry delivered a horrible, sweaty speech which was heavy on flowery and utopian visions but light on detail and substance. They believe that now, more than ever, Kerry has shown himself incapable of assuming the office of the presidency.
you forgot "VERY" before "sweaty", "heavy", "light"and "incapable" LOL :)
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I am tired of any candidate standing up and saying "I am gonna xxxxxx" , always a promise of how he will make everything better, fix every problem, right every wrong. All just a bunch of bullsheet.
What I would like to hear is a candidate say how he is gonna fix things.
Then, just once I would like to see one elected official actually do that things he promised to do. Wouldn't that be a refreshing change.
As the system works now, they stand up and spout unrealistic promises that really border more on bold faced lies, we elect them and they don't do much of anything good, just same old crap. (unless of course you consider bombing or invading other countries).
dago
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>>What I would like to hear is a candidate say how he is gonna fix things.
Then, just once I would like to see one elected official actually do that things he promised to do. Wouldn't that be a refreshing change. <<
Well good luck. If you can get even get a candidate to be specific or things he'dlike to tackle, its a win. Most is presented as abstract -"strong America" "united America" "better health care" "protect social security" etc. etc.
The thing is, I doubt any candidate is 100% sure any problem thats bothering him can be solved. Its a commitment to *try* to solve it, and a hint of what will be wheeled and dealed in congress. And, if not an incumbent, the promise of solving it will be greater when empowered by the office. Its a lot better having someone trying to do something you want than someone oblivious or ignoring what you want. Yea, they could lie and just not even try. But most cases, the reason for failed campaign promises is they just aren't feasible (e.g., "read my lips, no new taxes"). Most times ( at least on a national level) they try. History is very unkind to outright liars.
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i predict i wont vote nor will i watch election coverage.:D Damn im good
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I took one thing from the speech....kerry is going to raise taxes.
OHHHH they can call it a tax cut roll back but it is still raising taxes. The people that pay almost all the taxes in this country are now going to pay more.
(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.parcol11.0021.ImageFile.jpg)
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FYI, most taxes paid in the United State come from people earning less than $35,000 a year. This might be wrong - and I'll search this, but I remember the question from a tax accounting course I took. (?) Input?
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
FYI, most taxes paid in the United State come from people earning less than $35,000 a year. This might be wrong - and I'll search this, but I remember the question from a tax accounting course I took. (?) Input?
Astronomically wrong. The top 20% of earners pay more than 80% of federal income taxes.
The fact that the DNC continues to beat the class warfare drum in light of this fact is incredible. They should get a Nobel Prize for Doublespeak.
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Data: http://jec.senate.gov/_files/TaxReport04142004.pdf
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Funked my guess is there is more tax than only the income tax in the USA or I'm wrong ?
This don't show the whole picture IMO.
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You're right Straffo....and to illustrate, let's talk sales tax.
The wealthy spend more, therefore it would be safe to conclude they are spending more on sales tax.
Property taxes. Wealthy have larger and more properties, again, more tax money.
I am what could be considered lower to mid middle class. The poor in this country get so many breaks it sometimes makes me sick. I'm out there earning a hard living and scraping, whereas my neighbor on welfare has just as nice, if not nicer place due to HUD housing, food stamps, income breaks. Talk about class struggle?
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I'm out there earning a hard living and scraping, whereas my neighbor on welfare has just as nice, if not nicer place due to HUD housing, food stamps, income breaks.
Sounds like the neighborhood I just moved out of. You could tell who the poor people were, they had the nicest cars.
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You just have to vote for Kerry because he knows how to spend your money better than you do, trust him!!
IKON
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
FYI, most taxes paid in the United State come from people earning less than $35,000 a year. This might be wrong - and I'll search this, but I remember the question from a tax accounting course I took. (?) Input?
Sorry bud but that aint even close to being a speck of truth. Most people who make under that amount and have kids pay ZERO dollars in fed income tax after end of year credits and adjustments.
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Originally posted by 1K0N
You just have to vote for Kerry because he knows how to spend your money better than you do, trust him!!
IKON
Glance at the Bush fiscal record. It's a moot point.
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Originally posted by Goth
You're right Straffo....and to illustrate, let's talk sales tax.
The wealthy spend more, therefore it would be safe to conclude they are spending more on sales tax.
Property taxes. Wealthy have larger and more properties, again, more tax money.
I am what could be considered lower to mid middle class. The poor in this country get so many breaks it sometimes makes me sick. I'm out there earning a hard living and scraping, whereas my neighbor on welfare has just as nice, if not nicer place due to HUD housing, food stamps, income breaks. Talk about class struggle?
That is exactly what motivated us to work hard, smart, live frugally, invest safely and rocket outta that vicious circle. It took us 17 years to accomplish. My Grand Parents and Parents are all well to do and the best thing they ever did for us (My siblings and myself) was teach by example and let us overcome our own limitations and plow through the obstacles. We are doing the same for our kids.
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Originally posted by straffo
Funked my guess is there is more tax than only the income tax in the USA or I'm wrong ?
This don't show the whole picture IMO.
Actually that document references a CBO report that analyzes the effect of all federal taxes. The fact is that the US tax code is highly biased against people with higher incomes, and has been that way for a long time. This crap about "two Americas" and "tax cuts favoring the rich" is hogwash.
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I belive is speech was very good, some issues were, DUH, issues, and others were very well put, some things I woulda liked answerd.
Like if is daughters are single and looking. :aok
Now Edwards speech was the same, he repeated him self far too many times, and HELP IS ON THE WAY, gah still got that stuck in my had, I had one thing he needed to answer.
Is his daughter single and looking? :D
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Actually that document references a CBO report that analyzes the effect of all federal taxes. The fact is that the US tax code is highly biased against people with higher incomes, and has been that way for a long time. This crap about "two Americas" and "tax cuts favoring the rich" is hogwash.
Same here but as you know Swiss is pretty close to France.
Its incredible the number of rich French citizen who go in vacation in Swiss ... what's more incredible is they all come back with one less suitcase ... dunno why :p
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>>Sorry bud but that aint even close to being a speck of truth. Most people who make under that amount and have kids pay ZERO dollars in fed income tax after end of year credits and adjustments.<<
So when GMC pays it millions and millions of dollars in taxes every year, they just scoop it out of the profits right? I mean they don't pass it on to me right? When they pay their property taxes, again just scoop it out of the profits - they don't ask me to help right?
Who should I pass my taxes to?
I think the unsusual fact may have been about who was actually paying the taxes after following the money trail.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Glance at the Bush fiscal record. It's a moot point.
one party has spent it on the protection of the country while the other would spend it on prostitution of this countrys values and ideals to insure its re-election from the jerry springer gang
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shack