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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Box1 on July 30, 2004, 11:52:46 AM
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Pyro says in 7-29 post....
we will be getting 2 new planes and 1 tank. anyone know what they are?
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yep
the F16 eagle, the B2 bomber, and the M1 abrahams tank.
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Originally posted by JB73
yep
the F16 eagle, the B2 bomber, and the M1 abrahams tank.
ohh yeah baby:eek:
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I hear its a lock on these.
Fighter: Boulton Paul Defiant (manning those guns is going to Rock!) Maybe a light perk though unless they go with the target tug variant.
http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/types/uk/boulton_paul/defiant/Defiant.htm
Bomber: Amiot 143M (one for the French)
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Amiot%20143M
Tank: This is a toss up apparently. Odds are either:
The Italian M.13/40
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/1975/g_tnkita.htm
or the
Japanese Model 95 Ha-Go
http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/japan/japan-tank.html
Charon
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The new plane is the . Nate told me a few weeks ago as we were brewing up the 2004 edition of Hellfire Ale.
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Sling's a damn liar!
:D
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F-16 eagle
:rolleyes:
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F-16 eagle? Must be a navy boy.
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Jagdedpanther, and T34.:D
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If there was going to be a Defiant, why would they perk it? The thing had one of the worst records in the RAF in the beginning of the war and it was pulled from service, if I recall.
Originally posted by Charon
Fighter: Boulton Paul Defiant (manning those guns is going to Rock!) Maybe a light perk though unless they go with the target tug variant.
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Originally posted by Delirium
If there was going to be a Defiant, why would they perk it? The thing had one of the worst records in the RAF in the beginning of the war and it was pulled from service, if I recall.
But I hear they're gonna put the Fairey Battle in to make it look good ;)
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jagdpanther and panther would rock
fast and tuff front and weak sides.
somthing in between tiger and panzer
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yup its a fact the planes are the ******* and the ********
and the tank is the *******
gonna be great!
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If there was going to be a Defiant, why would they perk it? The thing had one of the worst records in the RAF in the beginning of the war and it was pulled from service, if I recall.
Well, if it's the target tug variant, they likely wouldn't have to perk it. But... the one with the 4 .303s in that mannable turret would be monster. Imagine a plane with almost the performance of a fighter, and a buzz saw of lazer .303s in the back. Be a bit rough on the HOs though.
Maybe 8 perks or so, about like the C-hog.
Charon
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Defiant would have no use ingame. Require 2 ppl to be effective coupled with bad flying performance = waste of manpower. That turret isn't of much use either .303 guns don't do enough damage. :rolleyes:
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Defiant would have no use ingame. Require 2 ppl to be effective coupled with bad flying performance = waste of manpower. That turret isn't of much use either .303 guns don't do enough damage.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
The first squadron to fly the Defiant was the newly formed 264 Squadron operating from RAF Sutton Bridge and later early in 1940 from Martlesham Heath. 264 was sent to France in these early stages and combined with 141 Squadron which also became a Defiant squadron. The story in France was not the same as at Dunkirk during the evacuation of the BEF forces when the Defiant making its first appearance was mistakenly thought to have been Hurricanes, and Bf 109s attacked from above and from the rear, a grave mistake on the part of the Luftwaffe, the turret gunner had a field day with the Messerschmitts.
http://www.battleofbritain.net/0009.html
Boulton Paul Defiant was to play an important role in trying to stop the advance of the Germans into Belgium and France in the Spring of 1940...
The Boulton Paul Defiant had a significant success in the German attacks leading up to the evacuation at Dunkirk. The sheer fire power of the Defiant took the Luftwaffe by surprise and by May 1940, the Defiant had shot down 65 German planes...
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/boulton_paul_defiant.htm
Lets hope it's ONLY 8 perk points.
Charon
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(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/673_1091407626_larson1.jpg)
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Charon, keep in mind those were 109 Es they were shooting at. The mid-late war fighters were better built and had more armor. Also, many of those kills, as stated, were planes mistakenly identifying the Defiant for a Hurricane which is a fatal mistake of course. Once the germans knew what they were up against they avoided the turret, also the classic gangbang always works, no turret can shoot in more than 1 direction at any given time.
The only role the Defiant was considered successful in, as far as I know, was as a night fighter shooting down He-111s.
I still think 2 spitfires would be more effective than 1 Defiant.
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Defiant was a POS, why do you think it was withdrawn from regular fighter service so quickly. Purely a one trick pony, and a clumsy pony with bum leg to boot...
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Ahh man who needs more jets LOL we need better planes LOL yall should really have more big bombers well there is the 17 & lanc wouldent say 26 not that good to me b29 sounds good LOL and the boeing b-15 some new fighters would be nice to very nice like the 1 of the other 38s hehe gota love um well any way we need more planes OO and the p-51k would be nice to :D
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Why on earth would you want a P51K? It was just a poor performing P51D....
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Well any way the other planes sound better hehe
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Panzer is easy -- T34 or Sherman, one of the models, probably mid/late war one.
With planes -- no idea. There are still tons of good planes to implement -- only VVS still need to have yaks/lagg/mig/aircobra -- and pe, su, db etc. Too wide field for guessing.
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Aircobra gets mentioned alot, I'd put money on that being one of them. Like 2 cents.
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Charon, keep in mind those were 109 Es they were shooting at. The mid-late war fighters were better built and had more armor. Also, many of those kills, as stated, were planes mistakenly identifying the Defiant for a Hurricane which is a fatal mistake of course. Once the germans knew what they were up against they avoided the turret, also the classic gangbang always works, no turret can shoot in more than 1 direction at any given time.
I've hear this revisionist history before. The popular counter argument to that is that the poor pilot quality among the Luftwaffe at the start of the war combined with inferior fighters like the 109 were disasterous. However, once the higher quality german pilots began to enter service at the start of BoB, losses did go up among the Defiants. It's a testiment to Luftwaffe pilot training that they could overcome such a technological marvel. Still, at best, the LW could manage parity even with aircraft like the FW-190.
I believe the high point for the Defiant came during the channel dash when they damaged both the Scharnhorst and Gneisenau. Some scholars credt this to mines dropped dropped by 5 Group aircraft, but I follow the school of thought that the damage was infliceted by Defiants strafeing the waterline of both ships with their turrets.
Just think what would have happend had they put a Gryffon in the Defiant.
Defiant was a POS, why do you think it was withdrawn from regular fighter service so quickly. Purely a one trick pony, and a clumsy pony with bum leg to boot...
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Charon
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somthing a little better than the abrams i hope,, challenger 2 perhaps
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Here's my guess:
Ki-84 Hayate, or "Frank"
Me-410A-1 (2 x 20mm, plus 2 x 7.92mm machine guns firing forward; 2 x 13mm rear firing fuselage barbettes, plus 2000 kg internal bomb load) This is the light bomber version from January, 1943. Another version could be the
Me-410A-1/U2, which was a heavy fighter with two additional forward firing 20mms, but no bomb load.
Both these planes have strong popular support. The Ki-84 was a great plane and will probably be very effective. I wonder if the problem with the wings ripping off at 7 to 8 g's will be modeled? I remember the AirWarrior Ki-84 had to be flown very gently at high speeds. The Me-410 might do much better in Aces High than in real life, since it won't always have to deal with a fighter escort. And in the right hands, the fighter version might be very deadly.
The tank:
I hope it's not the Sherman, which was a piece of flamming poop. I think it will be the T-34/76 (the model with the 76mm gun, obviously). Only big problem with T-34 is no turret machine gun with which to shoot at planes. I wonder if the optics will be of lower quality; is there a good way to simulate the superiority of American/German/British optics over Soviet?
That's what I think. If I had my choice I'd substitute the He-111H-3 for the Me-410, so that Battle of Britain scenarios wouldn't have to use the later model Ju-88A-4, which is faster that the A-1.
MRPLUTO
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Originally posted by 33Vortex
Charon, keep in mind those were 109 Es they were shooting at. The mid-late war fighters were better built and had more armor. Also, many of those kills, as stated, were planes mistakenly identifying the Defiant for a Hurricane which is a fatal mistake of course. Once the germans knew what they were up against they avoided the turret, also the classic gangbang always works, no turret can shoot in more than 1 direction at any given time.
The only role the Defiant was considered successful in, as far as I know, was as a night fighter shooting down He-111s.
I still think 2 spitfires would be more effective than 1 Defiant.
Charon, is trolling for trouble always this easy? The hook wasn't even really baited!!
M13/40?????LMAO!!!!
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Charon, is trolling for trouble always this easy? The hook wasn't even really baited!!
LOL
It started out as just another one of those lame "funny lists" to counter the M-1/F-16 and just took on a life of its own. I kinda thought:"Well, if it's the target tug variant, they likely wouldn't have to perk it." was a bit too obvious, but... :)
Charon
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There for a minute I was about to start whacking karnak with the "omg-i-think-charon-is-serious" bat. LOL good one Charon!
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MRPLUTO, the nice thing about the 410 was the modular nose weapons bay. An A-1 could practicly become an A-2 just by swapping the package in the nose. And you forgot about the gunpods and rocket loadouts the 410's can pack.
Would be interesting to get the rotary magazine rocket launcher for the 410 as well, even if it was not used (though tested). The need to sacrifice cannon loadout would be a good balance for it. As well, the design does not seem too 'salvo friendly', so you'll probably be left firing a pair of rockets every pull.
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Hey Tails,
There were several other versions of the 410 I didn't mention...some had twin 30mms. I just wrote details on two possible models we might be seeing. You're right, I did forget they could carry rockets, or were they the anti-bomber mortars that can be put on the Fw-190 and Me-110?
MRPLUTO
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If you're talking bout 'Strange Music', I think that was 110's, 190's, and 88's. If your talking about delay-fused free fall bombs, I -think- 410's carried those at some point...410's carried -everything- at some point. It's the MacGuyver of twin-engined fighters :D
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well all i found to of the new models hehe right benith yalls nose the hole time well this posted by Waffle BAS
Originally posted by Waffle BAS
haha - was looking at the AH2 help file (you have to download it) and on the "perk points" page - right there in the text...is the b29.
Don't believe me - download it and look.
Also lots of other interesting things.... see the Tiger II in the same line?
http://downloads.hitechcreations.com/AH2HELP.EXE
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Originally posted by sling322
The new plane is the . Nate told me a few weeks ago as we were brewing up the 2004 edition of Hellfire Ale.
Man they will NEVER put the in the game.It would unwrap the entire ball of string.Still,I would love to fly it.
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Originally posted by AaronM2
well all i found to of the new models hehe right benith yalls nose the hole time well this posted by Waffle BAS
But his evidence doesn't say what he says it does.
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Tails,
I was thinking of the 210mm (?) air-to-air mortars that I can never hit anything with. The 410 never had "Schrage Musik", as far as I know. (note: "Schrage" has umlauts -two dots- over the "a". It means "slanted music", which is what the Germans call jazz, and the Luftwaffe called upward firing cannon mounted dorsally. "Dorsally" means on the top of the fuselage.)
I suppose HTC will give us quite a few loadouts for the 410 when it's released.
I hope we get the Ki-84...my favorite bomber is the Ki-67, and the Hayate/Frank will make a real nice escort.
MRPLUTO
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It's time to release...this!
(http://www1.ocn.ne.jp/~depro/arashiyama/hayate2.jpg)
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That the Frank Mitsu?
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Pluto, you're talking about the 210mm rockets. Those were also what I was talking about the first time I opend my yap to respond to you :)
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Originally posted by Stang
That the Frank Mitsu?
Yes, it is the Kawasaki Ki-84 Hayate.
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Mitsu,
Sono KI-84 wa doko ni arun desu ka? Mi ni ikitai to omou kedo..
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Hayate???Isnt that the guy that turned into Ultraman?
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There were versions of the 410 with up to 8 forward firing 20mm (I think they were MG151s), it also came with a single long barreled 50mm, That version (50mm) had a telescopic sight for the pilot to aim with. Imagine camping (same speed) co-alt at 2.0 behind a buff formation and having target practice :D
I can hear it now...
booom.....%^$
booom...(*^(&%(%&^@
booom... )(&)*(^$*$&()@*^#@%&*%@#
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MiG-3: Very good plane in the hands of an expert. Nose stalls keep the dweebs away.
Pe-2: The Russkie equivalent of the Bf-110.
T-34: No comment necessary.
We need a buttload of Russian planes/GV's. The game has too few as it is, and it's still missing one of the best Yak variants, the Yak-3.
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Fruda,
I hope the Mig-3 and Pe-2 are added real soon. I wonder how hard it is to get accurate flight data on them, especially the Mig.
MRPLUTO
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Mmmmm....Me-410...50mm 'sniper' cannon...aaaahhhh*drool*
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He just maybe, I would not know, and only going by your nature I would believe you in the 60% range, I WOULD believe you more had I recieved a bottle of that World Famous HELLFIRE brew.
Warmly,
NUTTZ
Originally posted by NATEDOG
Sling's a damn liar!
:D
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Originally posted by Tails
Mmmmm....Me-410...50mm 'sniper' cannon...aaaahhhh*drool*
Pyro all but told me online that the Mosquito Mk XVIII with the 57mm cannon would never be added because it would not be fair to bombers.
I would expect that the Me410 with the 50mm cannon falls into the same category.
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I know, but I can dream right?
Anyways, all the other weapon options on the Hornisse would more than make up for the lack of a 50mm Death Star Laser :)