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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Mak333 on July 30, 2004, 04:51:29 PM
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Or is that the purpose of the MA? In my opinion the MA is just a bunch of trash now days. People are continuing to fly La7's n1k's spits whenever they like. If you took out half of the fighters in the game that no one ever uses, I bet there would be very little or no complaints at all about it.
A suggestion: Keep the MA to limited plane selections for a specific point in time. Such as the battle of brittain, or the war in the pacific. Not only just limiting the plane types, but the planes that were flown in '39-'41 rather than planes from the whole WWII era.
And yes, maybe that's what the CT is for, but no one ever fricken plays in there. Maximum amount of people i've seen this tour in the CT was 35 people.
This would also force newbies and other players to get familiar with other types of planes so they could use them to their own advantage.
-- Or is that what the Tour of Duty is for?? .... whenever it comes out?
Thanks for listening.
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Originally posted by Mak333
Or is that the purpose of the MA? In my opinion the MA is just a bunch of trash now days. People are continuing to fly La7's n1k's spits whenever they like. If you took out half of the fighters in the game that no one ever uses, I bet there would be very little or no complaints at all about it.
A suggestion: Keep the MA to limited plane selections for a specific point in time. Such as the battle of brittain, or the war in the pacific. Not only just limiting the plane types, but the planes that were flown in '39-'41 rather than planes from the whole WWII era.
And yes, maybe that's what the CT is for, but no one ever fricken plays in there. Maximum amount of people i've seen this tour in the CT was 35 people.
This would also force newbies and other players to get familiar with other types of planes so they could use them to their own advantage.
-- Or is that what the Tour of Duty is for?? .... whenever it comes out?
Thanks for listening.
Maybe they prefer more people fly the CT? The more people that go to CT the more that will follow.
Start a crusade, I think the CT was designed more towards the more serious simmer, and I think the MA is just a place where point mongers can thrive, the game part/archade
I dunno, just tossing darts in the dark, and bored,.... but IMO, if I had this problem I'd just go to CT and try to drag a few serious simmers with me.
2 cents
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Yeahhh... could try that. Although, didn't people like AH because of the realism. Wasn't that the ultimate purpose to make AH a sim for people who wanted a mass multiplayer to kind of "re-create" battles? That's just my look on it. I'll try to get more ppl in the CT, see how that goes.
Thanks.
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Originally posted by Mak333
...And yes, maybe that's what the CT is for, but no one ever fricken plays in there. Maximum amount of people i've seen this tour in the CT was 35 people...
Then hasn't the AH population spoken?
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I guess you all like your la7 n1k and spit battles eh?
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I guess you all like your la7 n1k and spit battles eh?
I go to where the most targets are. I don't care what planes they fly or what arena they are in.
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CT will be seeing boosted numbers soon I believe.
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I think it was Fester's second map with the big island in the middle that HTC limited the plane set one day to 1940-41. It was a blast. Lotta people had no clue how to fly the early war planes to their strengths. But when people would fly in from elswhere in late war planes, it ruined the game flow. Actually saw complaints telling the dweebs to go away.
Wish there was a way once in a while to limit the MA plane set to early war. Once or twice a month for 24 hours it would be a blast, especially if there were some early war bombers to make it fair. But not too often. HTC still has to pay the light bill every month.
It's funny, but the way we use bombers now in the MA resembles early war tactics. And I bet a majority of the fighter jocks, once up and engaged, would not really care much that they just got a change of pace from the rest of the month.
AWII during the open beta limited the plane sets for about a month. Each of the four weeks represented something like 1941, 42, 43, and 44. They rolled out new planes in that order. During week-1, the plane set was early spits and 109's. With the B25 as the bomber. We had some magnificent furballs because of the limitations of the fighters.
One or two limited flight set days a month might be a good change for moral.:)
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I agree bustr, even for just a few days a month it would be kinda neat. I would bet most people would like it.
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AW had an arena called Axis vs Allies that does pretty much what you speak of. but, similiar to CT it had lower numbers, not 35, but lower. i use to fly in that arena and it would have numbers close to 100 from what i remember.
now on the topic, its their dime, cant really "make" them fly anything, they will fly what they like, or can HO/run in very well.:p
~S~
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I too would like to see plane sets for the map.
Like Eastern Front, Western Front, Pacific, etc.
Not a lot of people will go to the CT because its 'too serious'.
As for caring about points, then why are you playing AH? You have the most points, whoopdeedoo maybe you're still a dweeb.
I play for the fun and for the other pilots.
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I agree, even with WWI planes the majority would HO or run like they do now, or try to. But even in those WWI crates turn fights would ultimatly rule. Aircraft design would be the limiter.
Late WWII war planes tend to reflect, encourage, compliment and exaggerate the normal human nature of most people manning the cockpits. :) Shoot first and run. Aricraft design here is the enabler of human nature.
Early war planes seem to have an affect on this human tendancy. They don't RunStang away as easily, so inadvertantly everyone winds up at ground level to 5k up from ground turn fighting. Again aircraft design.
If you have one maybe two days a month with an early war plane set, chances are it would be the old hands who would know how to use the 1940-41 era planes strengths. The rest of the Hoard would be the entertainment.:D
Imagine,,,,,,Shane and Fester in Spit1's diving into a flock of 12 2 weekers flying 109E's----------->>>>>>:rofl
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Originally posted by Mak333
I guess you all like your la7 n1k and spit battles eh?
Must be. Lotta people having fun just seems to upset some folks.
It's not like the CT is a secret. If that is what the people wanted, that is where they would be.
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Then imagine---->>>>Furious diving on Shane and Fester in a 109E while they are playing with the 12 2 weekers.
This sounds good...any chance HTC would do it. I'd love to be a few K above and watch Shane, Fester, and Furious fly an epic furball.:)
Furious, you and that LA5 of yours are just an anomaly. You'd probably land kills against F86's.:D
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how about a big map with the corners open to various plane sets and ground wars while other parts open to all?
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i dont get it i guess?
i used to fly the spit 9 all the time, was my plane of choice. turned on a dime! but lately ive been a pony guy, love the speed, love the flaps, and i actually have a purpose of carrieing bombs to a target... i say screw it let em fly whatever they want. when im in my pony i know exactly what a spit, nik, and la7 can and cant do..
so i exploit that, use it to my advantage... and if i cant get a fricken kill in my pony because everyones in spits,la7's,and nik's well at least i know that two of em cant catch me and the third i can probably out turn if i use my flaps right.
if your bringing stuka's, and tbm's and a20's (examples) to a fight then you should expect that theres gonna be guys there in fighters provideing fighter cover and you should expect that theres a good chance your not gonna make it back. plan ahead i guess...
just dont get it i guess? take for instanse, im pretty horrible in bombers, other than hitting stationary targets in level flight with no fighters on my butt, i suck in them and hardly use them...but for some strange reason i decided to take out some lanc's for a noe run on a base the other day, unfortunaley for me i ran smack dab into a mission heading to the base i upped from, i man i had spits niks la7's 109's 190's all over me, got one kill and they killed the shiet out of me... point, i suck in bombers, will not use them again.
i guess in the end situation should dictate what type model you should bring:)
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Originally posted by RTSigma
Not a lot of people will go to the CT because its 'too serious'.
heh heh. Don't stay away for this reason. We're not terribly serious there, certainly nothing like the little Napoleons I hear about in the MA.
Stop in, see what you think.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Oldman731
heh heh. Don't stay away for this reason. We're not terribly serious there, certainly nothing like the little Napoleons I hear about in the MA.
Stop in, see what you think.
- oldman
ha, he's got a point, some of us and i use the word "us" losely, do take the ma too fricken seriously:eek: :eek: :mad: :mad: :mad: :( :( :( ;)
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Originally posted by Mak333
Or is that the purpose of the MA? In my opinion the MA is just a bunch of trash now days. People are continuing to fly La7's n1k's spits whenever they like.
Holy crap! Do you mean to tell me that people can fly the planes they enjoy flying whenever they like? We must put an end to this immediately!
-- Todd/Leviathn
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The MA? Nobody goes there anymore; it's too crowded.
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What we really need, IMO is a Rant Forum..
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We have one, it's called "Aces High General Discussion".
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Originally posted by Mak333
Or is that the purpose of the MA? In my opinion the MA is just a bunch of trash now days. People are continuing to fly La7's n1k's spits whenever they like.
Thanks for listening.
Who cares what other people are flying? If someone wants to fly a Spitfire or a La7, all the power to that player. If what someone flies upset you this much that you have to whine about it, take a step back and take a breath or two and enjoy the great out doors for a few days.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by DipStick
We have one, it's called "Aces High General Discussion".
Exactly what brought upon my feelings..
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STFU Wildthang... there will be NO FUN in the MA! The thought of it! ROFL!! :lol
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Originally posted by Mak333
People are continuing to fly La7's n1k's spits whenever they like.
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Keep the MA to limited plane selections for a specific point in time
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And yes, maybe that's what the CT is for, but no one ever fricken plays in there. Maximum amount of people i've seen this tour in the CT was 35 people.
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-- Or is that what the Tour of Duty is for?? .... whenever it comes out?
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Most of MA players are newbies - they don't know to fly - overall MA gameplay level is much lower then gameplay at CT/SEA......
Most of newbie players want easy to handle plane with good gun package - N1K, La7, Spitfire Mk IX.........
Give to someone that flyes AH about a moth Spit 1 - he is going to get engine cuts all the time or 109E with its anemic guns - he will not hit nothing........
Most of people like to get kills - but not to much cares if they get shut down minute after.....
Thats why you see divebombing suiciding Lancasters killing CVs........
Thats why you see lots of vulchers......
That is why I allmost do not fly at MA
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Yes CT has much lower numbers - but I must tell if you have 6-8 people at CT there are allready very fun.... why:
Quality is not equal Quantity...
When you have 6-8 good players - we fight mostly in same area - we allmost allways have some time to grab some altitude.....
In my opinion when there is such players numbers gameplay become very interesting........
I remember last CT BoB - there was great gameplay...... Allmost all time I've landed I've landed with huge holes in wings. I should work very hard for each kill (not MA like). I remember I had very long fight 1 vs 1 about 6-7 min when both of us made some damage to each other - but finally we had to RTB ammo/fuel/damage - that is really fun.....
CT is not for every one - but once you get in........ Nothing better......
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Yes I hope ToD will change something
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Amen
artik:aok
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Originally posted by Mr. Toad
The MA? Nobody goes there anymore; it's too crowded.
Does this mean you are coming over to my side of the fence on large maps versus small maps? :D I knew you'd see the light. Eventually. ;)
Mak333, I agree with you. And no matter what enhancements HTC applies to the game, settings, patches, TrackIR or whathaveyou - until the gameplay is fixed, or at least we have a balanced and fair map rotation which goes some way to eliminate the horde/enforced furball fragfest we have now, I'm out. The CT might be worth another look though...
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i have to disagree with you artik. I have not seen any difference in skill between the pilots in the CT and the MA.
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Originally posted by thrila
i have to disagree with you artik. I have not seen any difference in skill between the pilots in the CT and the MA.
All of them shoot you down?????? :lol
Joking - don't take it personal ;)
There is huge difference in players level between CT and MA.....
At MA there are lots of players that not really know how to handle the aircrafts.....
You know the way the enter the fight - the way they do merge you allready can see who are you fightning with.......
At MA players level quite low.... there is not easy to find good fights - challanging....... You will see quite rare players that really know to handle their aricrafts well.... because there are too many new players
On the other hand at CT most of players are allready exirienced in lots of types of aircrafts - not MA like......
Also most of players I see there mostly know to handle their aircrafts well and there aremuch more situations when you meet good players and you have to RTB after long fights when no one had done his kills....
Anyway from my point of view - I should work much harder to get my kills at CT.......
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Exactly, i did't find it any more challenging.
I hardly ever fly in the CT but because BoB scenario is coming up on sun i thought i would give it a go. When i got my stick problems sorted and got into a fight i shotdown 5 cons, rtbed without a scratch including two 1v2's which i won.
Ok i was flying a hurri 1 which easily out-turns the 109 but i spent most of the flight getting bnzed by 109s.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Holy crap! Do you mean to tell me that people can fly the planes they enjoy flying whenever they like? We must put an end to this immediately!
-- Todd/Leviathn
I have a few torchs lined up . Bring some wood. We`ll burn em at the stake.
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Originally posted by Furious
Must be. Lotta people having fun just seems to upset some folks.
It's not like the CT is a secret. If that is what the people wanted, that is where they would be.
Heh .... anytime someone mentions the CT anywhere you watermelon a brick. :D
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Originally posted by Mak333
I guess you all like your la7 n1k and spit battles eh?
you forgot the p-51 dweebs from that list.....oh...hang on...you only fly pony dont you mak :p
funny how spit/nik/pony/p-38/la-7/'dweeb plane' pilots always seem to call the other planes in this set the dweebs and leave out their own choice.
there are no dweeb planes, only dweeb pilots and dweebs who call others dweebs cos they killed them
mak btw and say hello to Iman and art for me, mate.
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Originally posted by mechanic
there are no dweeb planes, only dweeb pilots and dweebs who call others dweebs cos they killed them
You right.........
But it is not fun to get in same furball with La7, N1K, Spit and Pony.......
Isn't it funny to see all these planes in same furball??
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Beet, two words:
Yogi Berra
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>>Holy crap! Do you mean to tell me that people can fly the planes they enjoy flying whenever they like? We must put an end to this immediately!
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Yea, what do they think this is - a game?
Now get you arses in p47's and labor!
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
Yea, what do they think this is - a game?
Now get you arses in p47's and labor!
Feel the burn...
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Originally posted by Mr. Toad
Beet, two words:
Yogi Berra
:)
Well, the first of those two words begins with a Y, so I'll take that as a YES! :aok
One more question: What took you so long? :lol
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I say keep the dweeb planes as is. If people don't want to grow then let them fly the dweeb planes. Then you will always be a better pilot then them.
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OK it's the players dime and you will loose if you try and force your will on the masses. Although I see your point about the laffers and nik stuff and there could be an alternative along the lines that AirWarrior used. Air Warrior had multiple arenas and AH could do the same but just add each arena for a certain planeset for different periods of the war. I wouldn't look for any large numbers in the majority of the arenas but it would satisfy those who want to fly early planes and those that want to point potato could still do so in the larger arenas. It would relieve some of the stress on the main arena also.
It's just a thought...
Jay
awDOC1:p
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rowdy 1 would like thank All the guys who have helped me get started in ah.and trainers.been it the world for 60 yrs. and tried it all,two wars and everthing else ? and I have more enjoyment here in Ah then I've had in a long time. I really enjoy hearing all the *****ing about knight ,rooks and bich. and which plane is best. its only a game tell BB Ilove her Mor..
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is it just me or did someone just call the p-38 a dweeb plane...guess that means the next great dweebery will be done in a c 202 or perhaps a kate...
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You know... funny thing is... this IS indeed a game. Its not anyone's fault that you can't get the better of an la7/n1k/spit9/pony in your ride but your own. There are many pilots in this game, and there are a certain group which are amazing at what they do. Most of them stick to their own rides, but I've seen them grab planes like 38s/109g2/f6f5/f4f/spitv/la5, and seriously tear apart late war "uber" planes.
The plane can make the difference, but trying to anticipate the opponents move makes the most difference.
I don't know if you were upset when you started this post, but instead of getting mad about seeing the same types of enemies, learn how to beat those rides, then be happy that you see them in the air because most of the time you will own them.
BTW, I think the MA is great, massive online multiplayer games are awesome, and I'll take a MA population of 500 over a CT population of 40 anyday. :aok
--Mike/Howitzer
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Originally posted by Howitzer
BTW, I think the MA is great, massive online multiplayer games are awesome, and I'll take a MA population of 500 over a CT population of 40 anyday. :aok
Hey ... that's great. We won't look for you there. I figured out I pay for both and can fly in either whenever I feel like. If the CT is empty or I feel like flying a hog and there's no hog there, I'll go to the MA. If I'm tired of hanging out in the fantasy arena (or maybe the "more fantastic" arena ... depending on pov), I'll go immerse in the CT. I've tried to enlighten. I'll still hold the torch. We got another hooked the other night. :D
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My opinion is that the MA has been an aerial game of quake (without the power-ups, but with KOTH and CTF and autospawning) for many years now, and possibly since its inception. I also agree that it is clear that the population has spoken, when you see 400 in the main each night and when the CT gets to 40 we get all warm and fuzzy :D
I'll be happy to be a jihadist for the CT, but even I don't find it to be much fun with 20 or less in there. Nothing wrong with spending your entire AH carreer in the MA. But if you are going to complain about the uber-fast late war planes just running away then you've got to realize they have no choice against your pre-44 aircraft. You want parity or any semblance of that then you've got to have realistic planesets.
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
My opinion is that the MA has been an aerial game of quake (without the power-ups, but with KOTH and CTF and autospawning) for many years now, and possibly since its inception.
What!!!!!!??????? No more power-ups??? Sheesh!
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Originally posted by Arlo
Hey ... that's great. We won't look for you there. I figured out I pay for both and can fly in either whenever I feel like. If the CT is empty or I feel like flying a hog and there's no hog there, I'll go to the MA. If I'm tired of hanging out in the fantasy arena (or maybe the "more fantastic" arena ... depending on pov), I'll go immerse in the CT. I've tried to enlighten. I'll still hold the torch. We got another hooked the other night. :D
Arlo,
That post wasn't meant to be a knock on the CT in any way. I'm all for the CT, and it seems like it has a great following. You are right, we all should be able to pick where we want to play, I was just trying to communicate that this whine has been heard MANY times before and it is still pointless :D
--Mike/Howitzer
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Originally posted by Howitzer
You know... funny thing is... this IS indeed a game. Its not anyone's fault that you can't get the better of an la7/n1k/spit9/pony in your ride but your own. There are many pilots in this game, and there are a certain group which are amazing at what they do. Most of them stick to their own rides, but I've seen them grab planes like 38s/109g2/f6f5/f4f/spitv/la5, and seriously tear apart late war "uber" planes.
The plane can make the difference, but trying to anticipate the opponents move makes the most difference.
I don't know if you were upset when you started this post, but instead of getting mad about seeing the same types of enemies, learn how to beat those rides, then be happy that you see them in the air because most of the time you will own them.
BTW, I think the MA is great, massive online multiplayer games are awesome, and I'll take a MA population of 500 over a CT population of 40 anyday. :aok
--Mike/Howitzer
Exactly! This is all about competition and fun at it's heart. Competing with/against 500 people is just more interesting than against 40. Competing against those 500 people while providing them the advantage of free choice with regard to plane and tactics is even more fun. Human opponents are what makes massively-multiplayer games addictive and enthralling. Leaving the potential engagements totally open-ended provides infinite variety for everyone.
For example, you may have fought a Niki or Lgay7 1,000 times in your AH career, but no two fights were exactly the same, and you learn everytime you fight, building upon your experience, as do your opponents. You guys just have to look at it from the perspective of hunting humans in a battle of tactical wit.
Zazen
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Everyone seems to recognize the problem of lack of players in the CT so let me throw out one possible solution.
If a few squads would dedicate a night to run squad ops in there then perhaps a few more players would become interested.
The CT seems like the ideal environment for squads ops. (It's like a scenario with multiple lives!) The tighter organizaion of players that are familar with each other and the leadership of units would make for some really good times. Plus it's a way to draw players over in groups instead of one at a time. Squads that normally oppose each other might end up on the same side working together so it would add a bit of variety. Also, squads would be exposed to unattached players that saw the crowd and came over so there's a good chance to do some recruiting.
HTC could sweeten things by offing some kind of "squad challenge" thingie in there but I think that units could just do it on their own and still get results. (I also think that the so called "historic" squads should be spending at least one night a week in there when their particular geograpy or planes are highlighted... well... just because!)
Anyone else besides me think this might be a solution and would add some variety to their squad's usual routines?
-Buzzz