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Movies - AP
Newspaper Says Moore Film Used Fake Front
Fri Jul 30, 5:36 PM ET
BLOOMINGTON, Ill. - Filmmaker Michael Moore's Bush-basing documentary "Fahrenheit 9/11" apparently has upset more than Republicans.
AFP
Slideshow: Michael Moore
The (Bloomington) Pantagraph newspaper in central Illinois has sent a letter to Moore and his production company, Lions Gate Entertainment Corp., asking Moore to apologize for using what the newspaper says was a doctored front page in the film, the paper reported Friday. It also is seeking compensatory damages of $1.
A scene early in the movie that shows newspaper headlines related to the legally contested presidential election of 2000 included a shot of The Pantagraph's Dec. 19, 2001, front page, with the prominent headline: "Latest Florida recount shows Gore won election."
The paper says that headline never appeared on that day. It appeared in a Dec. 5, 2001, edition, but the headline was not used on the front page. Instead, it was found in much smaller type above a letter to the editor, which the paper says reflects "only the opinions of the letter writer."
"If (Moore) wants to 'edit' The Pantagraph, he should apply for a copy-editing job," the paper said.
Lions Gate Entertainment did not immediately return phone calls seeking comment Friday.
Link to Moores subterfuge and distortion (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=493&e=1&u=/ap/people_michael_moore)
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wow they are sueing for a whole dollar.....wow.
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wow they are sueing for a whole dollar.....wow.
I think it's about principals, which Moore seems to be lacking in.
Maybe it's about honesty and preventing deception, additional weak points for Moore.
But hey, why let honesty and principals prevent a slanted movie from being made?
dago
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Moore is just a blinkin' film maker...Why all u neo-cons so uptight I wonder?
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Moore is just a blinkin' film maker...Why all u neo-cons so uptight I wonder?
cause he seems to be you libral's poster boy.....I wouldnt be proud of that.
the newspaper is not the first thing misrepresented.
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Amazing how some either fail to understand or choose not to, that a very slanted movie like Moores will affect public opinion, and this being the case, should at least attempt to provide an objective, honest view of the facts. Moore did the opposite, and some seem to think that is just fine, as long as it slants it in the way they prefer.
dago
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just moore liberal brain washing
just need to bring a very small toothbrush for the job
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Moore is just a blinkin' film maker...Why all u neo-cons so uptight I wonder?
There were people all over the world uptight with Goebells and his "documentaries" in the late 1930's....go figure.
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It's just more free advertising for Moore.
:aok
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michaelmoorelovesamerica
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Originally posted by Curval
michaelmoorelovesamerica
circa 1935: goebellslovesgermany
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Comparing Moore to Goebells... now that's a stretch.
(http://dotdoubledot.com/img/goering.jpg)
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I only get irritated at Moore when I read or hear of someone that actually believes that Moore has exposed the evil of our current government. Then again, I guess I really shouldn't give Moore too much credit. Some will believe whatever they want even without some bozo telling them a pack of lies.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Moore is just a blinkin' film maker...Why all u neo-cons so uptight I wonder?
He has never made anything but Trash full of Lies based on his own opinion. He takes advantage of the fact that alot of American believe whatever thay see on TV and the Movies when it's labled "Documentary". I have now seen all his "Films" and If he were in just about any other country pushing this filth he would have been banned and dissappeared by now.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Comparing Moore to Goebells... now that's a stretch.
(http://dotdoubledot.com/img/goering.jpg)
Comparing the USA government to the Nazis again, how cute...
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Comparing the USA government to the Nazis again, how cute...
It's interesting that I didn't mention the USA at all.
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The moore you post about him, the moore publicity he gets. I had never heard of Moore before all the furore about Bowling for Columbine, and the NRA's lame duck efforts to have his Oscar rescinded. Were it not for all that, I would never have seen BFC. But now that I see how much Moore sticks in the craw of some of you neo-cons, I shall redouble my efforts to make a point of seeing F-9/11. And of course I shall wind you up about it after I've seen it. :D
And there's nothing you can do about it. :rofl
You can threaten to .ignore me, but I know you won't. :p
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Comparing the USA government to the Nazis again, how cute...
And i thought it was Ripsnort that was doing that, He is the one that brought up the connection between moore and Goebells. Sandman just added a little better information,
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Originally posted by beet1e
The moore you post about him, the moore publicity he gets. I had never heard of Moore before all the furore about Bowling for Columbine, and the NRA's lame duck efforts to have his Oscar rescinded. Were it not for all that, I would never have seen BFC. But now that I see how much Moore sticks in the craw of some of you neo-cons, I shall redouble my efforts to make a point of seeing F-9/11. And of course I shall wind you up about it after I've seen it. :D
And there's nothing you can do about it. :rofl
You can threaten to .ignore me, but I know you won't. :p
So you don't really care about politics, you just like pissing people off?
How quaint.
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Sandman did say or imply that Goebells is not like Moore by quoting Goebells when he described how Germany was led to war. Since America is fighting terrorism it isn't a stretch to see the quote by Goebells as a suggestion that America is being manipulated to war. IMO, the only difference between Moore and Goebells is that Moore's party isn't in power.
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Originally posted by Dago
Amazing how some either fail to understand or choose not to, that a very slanted movie like Moores will affect public opinion, and this being the case, should at least attempt to provide an objective, honest view of the facts.
dago
Do you feel this way about Rush and O'rielly?
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Do you feel this way about Rush and O'rielly?
You can't really compare O'reilly and Rush with Moore in terms of content. Slant is different than outright lies.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Do you feel this way about Rush and O'rielly?
I know next to nothing about Rush, but O'Rielly is fair and far more open minded than many of the well known liberals he has hosted.
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Ahh, the spin.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Ahh, the spin.
Spin? Give me some examples of O'Reilly and Rush telling outright lies.
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No, I can't, they do nothing but tell the truth
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Originally posted by Sixpence
No, I can't, they do nothing but tell the truth
Then there you go. My points been made.
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http://members.aol.com/Falconnn/rushlie.html
here are some, i'll dig up some more
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Originally posted by Sixpence
http://members.aol.com/Falconnn/rushlie.html
here are some, i'll dig up some more
HAHAHAHA! Did you actually read that before you posted it?
:rofl :rofl :rofl :aok
I hope your second search provides something factual. H.S. essays aren't exactly solid evidence.
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O’Reilly Lies About Soros?
Conservatives have been driven crazy by the face that George Soros has been providing financial support to the Democratic Party. Some hope to discredit John Kerry through attacks on Soros, especially Soros’ atheism. Unfortunately, some of those attacks have been very dishonest.
Media Matters quotes O’Reilly: Listen to this -- what he said about his own father. This is George Soros about his own father. In a 1995 interview with The New Yorker magazine, Soros said he was disappointed that his terminally ill father wouldn't die quickly enough. "Unfortunately, my father wanted to live," Soros said. "I was kind of disappointed in him. I wrote him off."
Media Matters also quotes from the original interview:
[W]hile Soros' philanthropy has led some people to view him as an altruist or a Robin Hood (characterizations that he says are off the mark), he seems to feel that his father was more the genuine article: someone who was truly nonmaterialistic, charging those who could pay for his services -- he was a lawyer -- and working free for those who could not; who was outgoing and focussed [sic] on others; who derived his greatest pleasure from helping people directly (and, in fact, saved many lives during the Nazi occupation).
Now, however, Soros told his audience [during a speech at Columbia University's College of Physicians & Surgeons in late November 1994] that his father, terminally ill, had agreed to an operation, "but he didn't want to live after the operation if his personal integrity was invaded. And, unfortunately, that's what happened. But then he wanted to live."
Speaking haltingly, Soros said, "I was kind of disappointed in him. I wrote him off." A few weeks later, he added, his father died, "I was there when he died, yet I let him die alone. I saw him, but didn't touch him. The next day, I went to the office, but I didn't tell people he had died. I was, in a way, denying his dying."
There is quite a difference between what O’Reilly said and the reality of what was written. O’Reilly surely had the original article to work from, but that can only mean that he engaged in deliberate distortion. Did I say distortion? Looks more like a lie, to be quite honest. Somehow, I suspect that if O’Reilly had anything substantive to say about Soros, he would have done so already.
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Originally posted by Martlet
HAHAHAHA! Did you actually read that before you posted it?
:rofl :rofl :rofl :aok
I hope your second search provides something factual. H.S. essays aren't exactly solid evidence.
Seems like he quoted from his book, no?
"2.) Also in chapter 15, Rush states that Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines released more than a thousand times the amount of ozone depleting chemicals in one eruption than all the fluorocarbons manufactured by all the corporations in history. He goes on to conclude that since the Earth's ozone layer survives all these eruptions over billions of years that we could not possibly destroy the ozone layer even if we wanted to. "
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Seems like he quoted from his book, no?
Who's arguing about the book? I've never read it. I'm speaking of his opinioned, factless, response.
What's that crap about Soros? I have no idea what you're trying to say there.
I do find it hilarious that you can't scrape together any solid or important lies in your defense of Michael Moore. Dang, the left is loony.
Keep digging, I'll check in when I get back from Starbucks.
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There is plenty to find
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Like this, and I hope the coffee helps
http://mediamatters.org/items/200407080001
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Mikel Moor is da TRUTH!
O'Reilly is da SUXXOR!
BUSH=HITLER
Death to AmerEEKa
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Ahhh, ok
http://mediamatters.org/items/200406300001
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Originally posted by Martlet
So you don't really care about politics, you just like pissing people off?
How quaint.
Think of it as the counterweight to all the American superiority/country-bashing/pro-gun/holier-than-thou crap.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Think of it as the counterweight to all the American superiority/country-bashing/pro-gun/holier-than-thou crap.
Whatever floats your boat. Don't feel bad, though. Lots of other people don't understand politics either. They just do what you do and piss people off for fun. You aren't alone.
Take a look at SixPence. He can't find a single newsworthy event to prove his case. He's sticking to it. Gotta admire his loyalty.
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Originally posted by Martlet
Take a look at SixPence. He can't find a single newsworthy event to prove his case. He's sticking to it. Gotta admire his loyalty.
Swing and a miss, try another quote.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Swing and a miss, try another quote.
Hell, I'm still waiting for you to give me a decent pitch.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Comparing Moore to Goebells... now that's a stretch.
Just wondering, why did you comment on the comparison of Moore to Goebells, then post a picture and a quote from Goering, the quote apparently uttered long after Goebells had killed his family and himself in the bunker?
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Originally posted by Martlet
Hell, I'm still waiting for you to give me a decent pitch.
It was so good it went right by you, you're out!
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Do you feel this way about Rush and O'rielly?
Oh gee, I didn't know they made a movie and pretended that falsehoods they invented were facts. Please tell me the names of the movies so I can see them for balance. Otherwise, your statement is nonsense.
thanks
dago
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Originally posted by Sixpence
It was so good it went right by you, you're out!
You haven't even gotten one near the plate yet.
Keep trying, though! I admire your enthusiasm.
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Originally posted by Martlet
Whatever floats your boat. Don't feel bad, though. Lots of other people don't understand politics either. They just do what you do and piss people off for fun. You aren't alone.
Take a look at SixPence. He can't find a single newsworthy event to prove his case. He's sticking to it. Gotta admire his loyalty.
OK. I forgot to say that Margaret Thatcher once scored an own goal by banning the Spycatcher book by the former MI5 officer, Peter Wright. The ban simply promoted an arguably boring book to the status of bestseller. I bought my copy in Chicago. Same sort of thing happens when a hit record is banned - it becomes a chart topper.
If you guys don't like Moore and/or what he says, best to ignore him. Anti-Moore threads like this do nothing - except help to propel him to stardom in the world entertainment business.
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Ignorance is bliss, keep trying Marty
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Originally posted by beet1e
OK. I forgot to say that Margaret Thatcher once scored an own goal by banning the Spycatcher book by the former MI5 officer, Peter Wright. The ban simply promoted an arguably boring book to the status of bestseller. I bought my copy in Chicago. Same sort of thing happens when a hit record is banned - it becomes a chart topper.
If you guys don't like Moore and/or what he says, best to ignore him. Anti-Moore threads like this do nothing - except help to propel him to stardom in the world entertainment business.
Who cares if he's a star? He's a good director. We just enjoy pointing out that he directs fiction, not fact.
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Originally posted by Dago
Oh gee, I didn't know they made a movie and pretended that falsehoods they invented were facts. Please tell me the names of the movies so I can see them for balance. Otherwise, your statement is nonsense.
thanks
dago
Ahh, it has to be a movie and not a TV show, got it.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Ahh, it has to be a movie and not a TV show, got it.
heck, I'd settle for just about anything substantial or newsworthy. You've been looking for hours now and turned up some Al Franken spin and a high school theme paper.
You're doing well.
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Originally posted by Martlet
heck, I'd settle for just about anything substantial or newsworthy. You've been looking for hours now and turned up some Al Franken spin and a high school theme paper.
You're doing well.
:aok :aok
Try again Marty, you got no game
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Try again Marty, you got no game
Find anything yet?
Obviously not.
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Originally posted by Martlet
Find anything yet?
Obviously not.
No game Marty, you got no game
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Originally posted by Sixpence
No game Marty, you got no game
Still looking?
Ahhhh, I get it. Rather than admit that you can't find anything, you're just going to post the same shot over and over.
Good luck to you. If you ever do stumble across something to back up your assertions, just post them. I'll pop back into the conversation then. Until then, keep practicing that parrot routine. It works for you!
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You got no game but to deny, no game Marty
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Here is some more http://overspun.com/video/oreilly%20lies.rm
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Here is some more http://overspun.com/video/oreilly%20lies.rm
If that was a lie, then what's the truth?
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Cmon Marty, you got no game.
This is good, "you're a liberal, your not a liberal, you're a liberal, you're not a liberal"
http://overspun.com/video/OReillyflipflop.rm
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Cmon Marty, you got no game.
This is good, "you're a liberal, your not a liberal, you're a liberal, you're not a liberal"
http://overspun.com/video/OReillyflipflop.rm
"you got no game" isn't an answer.
If you're claiming it was a lie, then what's the truth?
Watching you try to get out of your quicksand is amusing. Keep going.
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No game Marty, you got no game, keep going, you give me a reason to post more.
http://www.overspun.com/rushymaguire.mp3
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Even the Saudis believe Moore is a lieing spinning POS who can't be bothered by the facts when slanting a piece of trash he mislabels a "documentary".
Entertainment - AP
Saudi Royals Dispute 'Fahrenheit 9/11'
Sun Aug 1, 9:32 AM ET
LONDON - The Saudi royal family has taken issue with Michael Moore's film "Fahrenheit 9/11" for claiming that high-ranking Saudi nationals were allowed to flee the United States immediately after the Sept. 11 attacks.
Prince Turki al-Faisal, the Saudi Arabian ambassador to London and a half-brother of Crown Prince Abdullah, said in an interview published Sunday that Moore did not do proper research for his documentary on the aftermath of the terror attacks.
In the film, Moore claims that the Bush administration helped a number of Saudi princes and members of the bin Laden family to flee the United States at a time when American airspace had been closed to all commercial traffic.
Al-Faisal, who was in charge of Saudi intelligence at the time, said his country has been completely exonerated of any role in the attacks by the 9/11 commission.
The commission's report found no evidence that any flights of Saudi nationals took place before the reopening of national airspace on Sept. 13.
"It would have been far better if Michael Moore had been able to read the 9/11 report before he made his film," al-Faisal told The Sunday Telegraph. "It shows that all the protocols were strictly observed."
Al-Faisal said that Moore was granted a visa to visit Saudi Arabia but never went.
"He missed an important opportunity to find out key facts," he said. "In my opinion he should have made every effort to go to a country he has taken to task so heavily in his film."
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Heck, I haven't clicked a link since you failed to back up any of the first 3 arguments you tried to make. You're frantically googling anything you can find and posting it without understanding it.
Have fun, keep at it, and when I see you might actually be ready to address the argument with facts rather than dodge it with "you got no game", I'll pop back in.
I learned long ago the factless liberal arguing machine will try to get you to spin your wheels all day. Give me a shout when you get your facts together.
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You got no game Marty, back on the bench plz
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Like I said, you're tossing up foundationless links and ignoring the counterpoints. When you feel you can handle the big leagues, give me a shout. Until then, your copy and paste argument is still in the special olympics.
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Give it up Marty, sit down
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One more liberal owned.
Next?
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One more No gamer owned, next.
I'll bet you can read this one http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20031016.html
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Next?
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Next!
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You guys are just acting like fools now.
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Originally posted by Dago
You guys are just acting like fools now.
Look, Moore, Limbaugh, O'reilly, they all are worth millions. Why are they worth millions? Because they will say anything to push an agenda, and people pay big money for this. They are all the same, just push a different agenda. You think the truth is going to get in the way of making those millions? If you want to be selective with who you believe because of their agenda, that's fine, but they will all lie and distort facts to sway voters, that's what they get payed millions to do. And if they don't do it, someone else will.
out there is a fortune waiting to be had, if you think i'de let it go you're mad, you got another thing comin
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Look, Moore, Limbaugh, O'reilly, they all are worth millions. Why are they worth millions? Because they will say anything to push an agenda, and people pay big money for this. They are all the same, just push a different agenda. You think the truth is going to get in the way of making those millions? If you want to be selective with who you believe because of their agenda, that's fine, but they will all lie and distort facts to sway voters, that's what they get payed millions to do. And if they don't do it, someone else will.
out there is a fortune waiting to be had, if you think i'de let it go you're mad, you got another thing comin
Which is exactly what started this argument, only you got mad when you couldn't come up with a single bit of evidence to counter my initial point.
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Originally posted by Martlet
Which is exactly what started this argument, only you got mad when you couldn't come up with a single bit of evidence to counter my initial point.
That Moore, O'reilly and Limbaugh don't lie?
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Originally posted by Sixpence
That Moore, O'reilly and Limbaugh don't lie?
****Yawn****
You've been crushed once. It's someone else's turn.
Next?
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lol, here we go again
Oh, almost forgot...next!