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Title: P-38 Pilot wounds?
Post by: Rino on July 30, 2004, 10:16:23 PM

Before I go whining on the Bug forum, has anyone else noticed
a huge increase in the percentage of pilot wound hits since 2.06?

     Of course this is subjective, but it seems like almost 50% of
my "hits" are now resulting in a pilot wound, but only in the 38.
Since I can't remember 2 pilot wounds in a year of AH1, was just
curious.

     Rino

Title: P-38 Pilot wounds?
Post by: X2Lee on July 30, 2004, 10:23:09 PM

A third of the time

PW in 38s     get hit by a buff you can almost bet u get PW

Title: P-38 Pilot wounds?
Post by: RTSigma on July 31, 2004, 12:41:59 AM

I noticed too.

Title: P-38 Pilot wounds?
Post by: thrila on July 31, 2004, 03:36:29 AM

I get them often in the mossie when attacking buffs too.  I usually finish of the buffs though.:)

Title: P-38 Pilot wounds?
Post by: killnu on July 31, 2004, 07:43:30 AM

since new patch, think ive flown 5 times, 3 times i landed with no hits, other 2 times had pilot wounds from first hits, then got finished off.  so yea, if i get hit, i get a pilot wound, tho it is a very small sampling.
~S~

Title: P-38 Pilot wounds?
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on July 31, 2004, 08:28:01 AM

I seem to notice an increase in pilot wounds as well. Especially attacking bombers, or strafing. Seems every encounter with AAA, especially unmanned AAA, leads to a pilot wound. Very annoying.

Title: P-38 Pilot wounds?
Post by: RTSigma on July 31, 2004, 10:47:50 AM

I got a pilot wound from dead six, even though doesn't the blue navy planes (save for some) have a metal armor plate in the back to prevent this?

Title: P-38 Pilot wounds?
Post by: debuman on July 31, 2004, 11:04:19 AM

P-38 has no engine in front to absorb bullets, so it seems logical that you might get more PW's than in other types.
If you want to avoid your pilot getting wounded, all you have to do is avoid places where there are bullets and shrapnel in the air!
FOr example, my pilot NEVER gets wounded in the off-line fights against the drones.....:D

Title: P-38 Pilot wounds?
Post by: Pawz on July 31, 2004, 12:02:17 PM

Well what happened someone whinned to HTC about it and thats how we got the drastic increase in pilot wounds on the 38

Title: P-38 Pilot wounds?
Post by: simshell on July 31, 2004, 12:15:02 PM

so lets see small fighter not much armor to stop bullets and alot of real life pliots died geting shot to nothing


sounds about right:D

Title: P-38 Pilot wounds?
Post by: ebgb on July 31, 2004, 12:59:05 PM

The twin counter rotating props seem to create a vortex between them that entrains incoming projectiles directly into the windscreen.  :aok

Title: P-38 Pilot wounds?
Post by: B17Skull12 on July 31, 2004, 01:20:03 PM

pilot wounds seem to be the next hing upgraded in this patch.  I got nailed by puffy ack 2 times in less than 10 mins.

Title: P-38 Pilot wounds?
Post by: Rino on July 31, 2004, 02:13:37 PM

Quote

Originally posted by simshell
so lets see small fighter not much armor to stop bullets and alot of real life pliots died geting shot to nothing


sounds about right:D

     Have you ever actually SEEN a P-38? :)  Btw, my PWs are
coming from 6 oclock and AAA..not HOs.  One of the annoying
things about them is that the first indication I have one is the
black out.

     Guess I'm not the only one noticing after all.

Title: P-38 Pilot wounds?
Post by: killnu on July 31, 2004, 02:40:07 PM

simshell, i hope you were being sacastic.  really i do.  otherwise, i award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul.
~S~

Title: P-38 Pilot wounds?
Post by: Murdr on July 31, 2004, 03:09:56 PM

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Originally posted by debuman
P-38 has no engine in front to absorb bullets, so it seems logical that you might get more PW's than in other types.

It does however have an approx 9ft long 20mm cannon, 4 .50 cals, and ammo hoppers in the nose.  Then there is a steel slab between the nose and the cockpit, plus the flat armored glass winshield angled to deflect projectiles.  

Mabey the causes of these percieved increased occurance of pilot wounds will become more appearent when the bullet strike graphics are modeled for the P-38.

Title: P-38 Pilot wounds?
Post by: X2Lee on July 31, 2004, 03:20:10 PM

Mabey the causes of these percieved increased occurance of pilot wounds will become more appearent when the bullet strike graphics are modeled for the P-38.


I dont think its percieved I think its increased.

Title: P-38 Pilot wounds?
Post by: Ack-Ack on July 31, 2004, 03:31:16 PM

Quote

Originally posted by simshell
so lets see small fighter not much armor to stop bullets and alot of real life pliots died geting shot to nothing


sounds about right:D

Like most U.S. planes, the P-38 was well armored.


ack-ack

Title: P-38 Pilot wounds?
Post by: Murdr on July 31, 2004, 03:45:05 PM

Quote

Originally posted by X2Lee
I dont think its percieved I think its increased.

Didnt argue that it wasnt.  But with 475 kills in a 38 for the tour, I only questioned a couple pilot wounds where I though the pilot should have been protected.  Without bullet strikes it is hard to tell where the offending hit penetrated the cockpit.

Title: P-38 Pilot wounds?
Post by: Karnak on July 31, 2004, 04:00:02 PM

How was the P-38's pilot armor arranged?

In AH1 and AH2 the Mossie gets very frequent pilot wounds, especially against GVs.  The Mossie had an armored seat for the pilot, protecting him from behind and partially from below.  It had an armor plate in front of the cockpit and an bulletproof windscreen.  Hits from the top or sides only had to get through a thin layer of wood or through the perspex to hit the pilot.

The Mosquito FB.Mk XVIII with the 57mm cannon also had an additional 800lbs of armor.

Title: P-38 Pilot wounds?
Post by: Murdr on July 31, 2004, 04:23:06 PM

Karnak, I have a scanned diagram of the armor.  Will edit it into this post when I find a place to upload (geesh, forgot 2 of my ftp logins lol)
(http://mysite.verizon.net/vze29wyx/armor.JPG)

Title: P-38 Pilot wounds?
Post by: Murdr on July 31, 2004, 04:49:39 PM

and here is a cutaway of the nose.  While there isnt an engine chassie there, it isnt exactly a void space either.
(http://mysite.verizon.net/vze29wyx/38guns.JPG)

Title: P-38 Pilot wounds?
Post by: Karnak on July 31, 2004, 04:50:43 PM

So pretty much the same as the Mossie.  Completely unprotected from the sides and top.  Semi protected from below.  Good pretection from behind and in front.

I wonder why P-38 pilot wounds were so much rarer than Mossie pilot wounds in AH1?

Title: P-38 Pilot wounds?
Post by: Murdr on July 31, 2004, 04:53:52 PM

Yeppers.  When you asked, I knew I had a diagram of it somewhere.  It bugged me so much, I had to hit the books till I found it.  :)

ps. Got lots of mossie cutaway diagrams, but not an armor highlited one like that of the P38

Title: P-38 Pilot wounds?
Post by: Karnak on July 31, 2004, 05:06:52 PM

I haven't seen a Mossie cutaway with armor shown either.  I'm going off of text descriptions.

I couldn't begin to tell you where the additional 800lbs of armor on the Mk XVIII went.  I've never even seen a text description of that, just that it had it.

Title: P-38 Pilot wounds?
Post by: simshell on July 31, 2004, 07:43:50 PM

a short burst of 50 cals or cannon into the cockpit should do some thing to your small dweeby body


i dont think P38 cockpit could withstand 50 cal burst into it to long or cannon

Title: P-38 Pilot wounds?
Post by: Halo on July 31, 2004, 08:19:26 PM

It's all that blood in the canopy -- very distracting.  If I ever was surrounded by that much of my own blood, I'd die of fright instantly.

Title: P-38 Pilot wounds?
Post by: Murdr on July 31, 2004, 11:30:28 PM

Ah yes, well thats another thing halo.  The poor P38 pilots appearently dont bleed, because they dont get blood on their canopy.  (its not modeled for the 38 yet)

Title: P-38 Pilot wounds?
Post by: LYNX on July 31, 2004, 11:51:25 PM

Man .... patch 7 i did 5 p38 jabbo runs got 5 pilot wounds.  Couldn't really say  if occured 6 or 12 oc.   They did pi$$ me off ...LOTS

Title: P-38 Pilot wounds?
Post by: Karnak on August 01, 2004, 12:15:26 AM

Quote

Originally posted by LYNX
Man .... patch 7 i did 5 p38 jabbo runs got 5 pilot wounds.  Couldn't really say  if occured 6 or 12 oc.   They did pi$$ me off ...LOTS

Sounds exactly like doing jabo runs in the Mossie.