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Title: x300 Dell
Post by: chug4u on July 31, 2004, 10:54:29 PM
128MB PCI Express™ x16 (DVI/VGA/TV-out) ATI Radeon™ X300 SE
anybody know of this Vid card that Dell is putting in there 8400's is it any good for AHII

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Title: x300 Dell
Post by: zmeg on July 31, 2004, 11:14:51 PM
Never heard of a X300, but an X800 PCIX is slower than it's twin X800 8xAGP by about 5%.
Title: x300 Dell
Post by: ChasR on August 01, 2004, 09:54:23 AM
The X300 is a 4 pixel pipe card in ATi's new line.  It should have performance a bit better than a 9600 XT.  However, in ATi's card designations, SE denotes a deliberately crippled card at a lower price point than the standard card so its possible it's more like a 9600 Pro.  I've not seen a benchmark on it but it should play AH2 acceptably.
Title: x300 Dell
Post by: ChasR on August 02, 2004, 08:11:21 AM
The x300 SE has a 64 bit memory interface and thus may prove slower than the 9600 Pro and 9600 XT which have a 128 bit memory interface.  The standard x300 should be faster than the 9600s
Title: x300 Dell
Post by: chug4u on August 02, 2004, 05:06:39 PM
I might upgrade to  the 9800pro when I get the cpu.  next week it should be here and then i'll run AHII thru the paces to see if I have too. It is coming as the Standard Vid card in the 8400 dell.
Title: x300 Dell
Post by: MOSQ on August 04, 2004, 07:20:52 PM
Chug,
Better double check on that computer if you're planning on installing a 9800 Pro. I'm sure you're new computer will NOT have an AGP slot. It has the new PCI Express, which has replaced the AGP slot. You will have to use the x300 until more PCI Express video cards become available. By January there should be a wide selection of them at many price points.
Title: slot for card
Post by: chug4u on August 04, 2004, 08:47:21 PM
are you telling me the mother board does not have a slot for a video card ? 9800 pro ?
Title: x300 Dell
Post by: Overlag on August 04, 2004, 09:26:18 PM
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Originally posted by zmeg
Never heard of a X300, but an X800 PCIX is slower than it's twin X800 8xAGP by about 5%.


i think an x300 is like the total CRAP pants horrible "only good for desktop" gfx card for PCI-x

x600s are mid range
x800s are the top range
Title: Re: slot for card
Post by: Overlag on August 04, 2004, 09:27:25 PM
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Originally posted by chug4u
are you telling me the mother board does not have a slot for a video card ? 9800 pro ?


if you get a crappy dell that uses PCI-X slots then yes, there wont be an AGP slot for a 9800pro
Title: x300 Dell
Post by: RDSaustinTX on August 04, 2004, 11:20:22 PM
Dude, you're going to Hell.
 
 
(dell sucks)
Title: x300 Dell
Post by: MOSQ on August 05, 2004, 11:07:40 AM
Chug,
See this thread: http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=121377&highlight=PCI+Express (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=121377&highlight=PCI+Express)
Title: x300 Dell
Post by: chug4u on August 05, 2004, 12:48:44 PM
so I could buy an x600xt and be middle  line again? my $950 cpu turn into a $1150.00
Title: x300 Dell
Post by: zmeg on August 05, 2004, 01:07:05 PM
Dell+Intel+ATI=Boat Anchor.
Title: x300 Dell
Post by: Skuzzy on August 05, 2004, 01:07:45 PM
Watch it on PCI-E systems.  The PCI-E bus performance is dependent on the number of channels available.  If the manufacturer does not state how many channels they have designed into the bus/motherboard, you need to ask.
A one channel PCI-E bus is significantly slower than the AGP bus, for example.
Title: x300 Dell
Post by: chug4u on August 05, 2004, 01:31:26 PM
Skuzzy do you mean the 16 ( these are Tech specs from Dell)  Sorry I'm not a computer genuis.                                                                                                                                                                                                      Slots  
 3 PCI slots
 
 1 PCIe x 1 slot
 
 1 PCIe x 16 (graphics) slot
Title: x300 Dell
Post by: ChasR on August 05, 2004, 02:03:55 PM
It has one one PCIe channel slot and one 16 channel PCIe slot.  So you're fine there.
Title: x300 Dell
Post by: chug4u on August 05, 2004, 04:00:21 PM
How do you like your Raid 0 HD's. I was thinking of putting 2 WD Raptors 10,000rpms in this if I can.
Title: x300 Dell
Post by: ChasR on August 05, 2004, 04:44:52 PM
I  think the cost outweighs the performance benefits in a home environment.  One of the newer 74GB Raptors would be fine.  Raid also tends to limit the achievable overclock.  Further, your chance of losing data due to HD failure is doubled with Raid 0. Next one I build won't have it.
Title: x300 Dell
Post by: Skuzzy on August 05, 2004, 04:54:47 PM
I find the KISS principle works very well with computers.