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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on August 02, 2004, 10:28:25 AM
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http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/columnists/mcnickle/s_205767.html
Despite death threats from our left wing friends, he still hasn't got an answer from Teresa! ;)
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He won't get an explanation or apology. Don't think the fun has ended with dear Teresa, though; there's lots of campaigning left to do, and she appears dead set on speaking her mind, however unclearly.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/columnists/mcnickle/s_205767.html
Despite death threats from our left wing friends, he still hasn't got an answer from Teresa! ;)
Somehow I missed this...Heh, that's great! Film at 11:00: Pushy reporter gets insulted, whines about ridicule!
LMAO.
h
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Originally posted by Horn
Somehow I missed this...Heh, that's great! Film at 11:00: Pushy reporter gets insulted, whines about ridicule!
LMAO.
h
So, quoting a person about their own speech is considered "pushy" ? Just asking...
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If Kerry's campaign is smart, we won't see much of the Missus. I don't think she "plays well" in many of the places he needs to pick up votes.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
So, quoting a person about their own speech is considered "pushy" ? Just asking...
That just confirms it, you really don't read the stuff you cut & paste. He didn't quote her about her speech--this is the VERY FIRST SENTENCE:
"A week ago tonight, I asked Teresa Heinz Kerry a simple question here: "What did you mean?""
Vote the issues indeed.
h
(and I think Toad is right)
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Originally posted by Horn
Somehow I missed this...Heh, that's great! Film at 11:00: Pushy reporter gets insulted, whines about ridicule!
LMAO.
h
Whats funny is a hypocrit elitist rich-***** (cough) liberal defining herself publicly and getting called on it.
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Originally posted by Toad
If Kerry's campaign is smart, we won't see much of the Missus. I don't think she "plays well" in many of the places he needs to pick up votes.
No, she doesn't.
I want to leave her out of it; families are non-combatants. If however she wants to do the circuit and be involved the gloves are off, especially if she is modeling herself in the "Hillary" mold. I'll pass on an heiress telling me I have too much money and I should give it to the poor.
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Originally posted by Horn
That just confirms it, you really don't read the stuff you cut & paste. He didn't quote her about her speech--this is the VERY FIRST SENTENCE:
"A week ago tonight, I asked Teresa Heinz Kerry a simple question here: "What did you mean?""
Vote the issues indeed.
h
(and I think Toad is right)
He asked her "What do you mean" and then proceeded to quote her. Didn't you see the tape?
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Originally posted by Tumor
Whats funny is a hypocrit elitist rich-***** (cough) liberal defining herself publicly and getting called on it.
Huh? From the SECOND PARAGRAPH of the story:
"Moments earlier, Mrs. Heinz Kerry had talked of "un-Pennsylvanian and sometimes un-American traits" that supposedly have crept into our political discourse. Her talk before the Pennsylvania delegation was, in part, a plea for a return to civility."
So you are saying her call for civility is defining herself? Well, OK. I don't see the hypocrisy. I will credit you the liberal and the elitist tags though.
h
(hint: Rip--you didn't post a tape, you posted an op-ed article which you obviously didn't read.)
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Her answer was unpolitic, his badgering was rude.
End of story.
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To paraphrase what I understand.
She said, "Un-Pennsylvanian....un-American."
He asked, "What do you mean 'un-Pennsylvanion and un-American?"
She states, "I didn't say that."
He replies, "Yes you did. What excactely did you mean?"
She retorts, "I didn't say that. Shove it."
I seems that he was simply asking for clarification of what she meant. I don't find the reporter out of line by repeatedly asking what she meant by what she had just said.
I do find her response out of line along with all the people that are defending her and attacking (e-mail, vulgar language on the street, vulgar phone calls) the reporter.
[edit] If she didn't want to discuss what "un-etc" meant then could have simply could have told him, "No comment" and moved on. To deny having said something that she had just said seems a little kooky IMO
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That won't play well in the heartland, where people still value manners.
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She scares me. Does anyone remember Olivia Dukakis and wasn't she the one that drank rubbing alcohol? Ms. Kerry reminds me of an alcoholic, still in denial.
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Originally posted by Drunky
To paraphrase what I understand.
She said, "Un-Pennsylvanian....un-American."
He asked, "What do you mean 'un-Pennsylvanion and un-American?"
She states, "I didn't say that."
He replies, "Yes you did. What excactely did you mean?"
She retorts, "I didn't say that. Shove it."
That isn't the exact language she used....this is just a RW tactic that is so prevelant these days.
She said 'unamerican traits' but was quoted as saying 'unamerican activities' in his Op-Ed invoking an image of McCarthyisim, I'd be pissed too.
He's just a whiney hack of the type the right seems to love.
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Okay, I'll give you that Mr. Lars. Now... what did she mean by "Un-American traits". Fair question? I think so. If she understood that's what she said, she should have taken the time to clarify both her words and meaning.
Again, leave her alone if she isn't going to be active in politics. If she is, she'd better get a lot better at it.
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Good point Mr. Lars... and nice and convenient how the reporter misquotes himself by making it look like he just said 'what do you mean?' What he did was a reporter trick of repeating back something with a more sensational twist and then he if the person doesn't notice... they will use those words to quote them. Works great for sports reporters trying to get a decent quote after the boring 100th game of the season, but it is surely a weasily thing to try without a willing interviewee.
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I'd be interested in a clarification of "Un-American traits". I suppose others might be, too.
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She should have called the reporter a "major league a--hole."
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I suspect, given her background, "un-American trait" probably means someone disagreed with her, thus denying her right to "free speech".
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Originally posted by Horn
That just confirms it, you really don't read the stuff you cut & paste. He didn't quote her about her speech--this is the VERY FIRST SENTENCE:
"A week ago tonight, I asked Teresa Heinz Kerry a simple question here: "What did you mean?""
Vote the issues indeed.
h
(and I think Toad is right)
I hope she campaigns extensively. Shes the best thing thats happend to the republican party in years.
Anyone who votes for this mess is sure nuff idiot...
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Originally posted by Horn
Huh? From the SECOND PARAGRAPH of the story:
"Moments earlier, Mrs. Heinz Kerry had talked of "un-Pennsylvanian and sometimes un-American traits" that supposedly have crept into our political discourse. Her talk before the Pennsylvania delegation was, in part, a plea for a return to civility."
So you are saying her call for civility is defining herself? Well, OK. I don't see the hypocrisy. I will credit you the liberal and the elitist tags though.
h
(hint: Rip--you didn't post a tape, you posted an op-ed article which you obviously didn't read.)
"So shove it" <<<< very civil.
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Its nice how lefties get all shook up about activities vs traits.. You know that distiction was irrelevant in the context of the qoute..
Plus Teresa denied even saying "Un-american" so she is pretty much lying to save her bacon there after the bizzare speech she gave..
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Originally posted by Goth
She scares me. Does anyone remember Olivia Dukakis and wasn't she the one that drank rubbing alcohol? Ms. Kerry reminds me of an alcoholic, still in denial.
That would be Betty Ford. If your a republican addict it is considered chic.
The rightwingers must be really scared judging from the amount of dung they are trying to sling, but they seem to enjoy playing in dung anyway.
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Well, rpm, when it comes to flinging dung the dung flinging exploits of the dung flinging right can only be matched by the dung flinging exploits of the dung flinging left.
There has certainly been some flung dung on these bbs lately.
Famous saying from the Chinese philosopher Confusion:
"He who accuses others of flinging dung should first smell his own fingers."
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How many of you actually saw the tape? The reporter wasnt pushy at all... hell he was polite for a journalist.
He just asked her to explain what she meant by 'un-American.'
She threw a hissy fit like a 6 year old, said "I didnt say that" numerous times and then insulted him. It was the kind of behavior one would expect if nap time were cancelled... not if the wannabe first lady was asked a question three months before an election.
End of story. Tomato Lady got pwnt by a lowly reporter who didnt even have a trust fund.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
How many of you actually saw the tape? The reporter wasnt pushy at all... hell he was polite for a journalist.
He just asked her to explain what she meant by 'un-American.'
She threw a hissy fit like a 6 year old, said "I didnt say that" numerous times and then insulted him. It was the kind of behavior one would expect if nap time were cancelled... not if the wannabe first lady was asked a question three months before an election.
End of story. Tomato Lady got pwnt by a lowly reporter who didnt even have a trust fund.
Exactly, she started flipping after the first time he asked the question.
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Originally posted by rpm371
That would be Betty Ford. If your a republican addict it is considered chic.
Wrong. Kitty Dukakis.
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Toad has made the most important point on the issue AFAIC... Teresa might very well be a liability if the DNC can't reign her in. I for one am not looking for a queen, and I don't appreciate a condescending attitude towards "the little people". I don't know her well enough to lay that on her, but I did see the tape, and I didn't see anything there that she couldn't have taken care of with a few words. Very unstatesmenlike on her part.
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Funny to see the librals try and spin this because they read an "op-ed"
I saw the actual tape on the news.....she said "Un-American" the r
The reporter asked what she meant by it.
She denyed saying it.
He corrected her.
She said "shove it"
Definatly first lady material......
and I'm so glad there are no longer any non represented portugese feeling left out (because I know there are sooooo many of them in the US) after her speech at the libralcon.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
He asked her "What do you mean" and then proceeded to quote her. Didn't you see the tape?
Still waiting for your answer Horn.
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Originally posted by Kieran
Okay, I'll give you that Mr. Lars. Now... what did she mean by "Un-American traits". Fair question?
It's a fair question if it was revelant to the discussion.
THK's fight with that paper goes back to when she was approached to fill in and complete her husbands term, she refused and that is when the paper started their campaign against her. A campaign filled with misquotes, misrepresentations and outright falsehoods about her philanthropic work, some of which has even showed up on this UBB.
It will be refreshing to have a First Lady who's not the model of a Stepford wife.
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It is pretty relevant, since she had just stated it, regardless of who asks the question. He is a reporter, she is answering questions (in theory).
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Originally posted by MrLars
It will be refreshing to have a First Lady who's not the model of a Stepford wife.
Well youre close. Election results aside, Kerry is more of a Stepford Husband. Semmingly a Democrat trait as of late. ;)
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Originally posted by rpm371
That would be Betty Ford. If your a republican addict it is considered chic.
So now the Betty Ford Clinic is a political tool too? Tell ya what , I know quite a few people that have gotten their lives back together after a visit to Betty Ford both Dems and Repubs. No sense in bashing a place that helps all.
To tell you all the truth. Theresa balked at a question and handled it wrongly, she lied. Now the Dems do not see a problem with it, because their party has no morals anymore.
Drop the subject, this will all be settled in 3.5 short months....
:rolleyes:
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Good grief folks!
Remember something about casting the first stone?
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Ozark-
I am careful to qualify my remarks. It may very well be Teresa was shoved on stage by her husband's political ambition. I hope she stays the heck off the scope, because if Kerry does win the less she speaks, the better. If on the other hand she decides to be another Hillary, well, that's not going to fly with me...
Mr. Lars-
I know nothing of her fued with the paper, nor do I frequent this BBS with enough regularity to know anything about it. I am definitely not looking for things to pick her apart on, but let's face it, she didn't handle that well at all.
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Kieran-
I’m the last person to point a finger at others. It’s just typical BS during the election year.
Remember:
-It rhymes With "Witch".
-Lee Atwater, before he died of cancer in 1991, apologized to Michael Dukakis and others for his “naked cruelty.”
It’s just about money, hate and power. I feel both sides are guilty as Sin! I dislike them both equally! :aok <<< I hate this little guy too! But it works here. :p
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Originally posted by MrLars
It's a fair question if it was revelant to the discussion.
THK's fight with that paper goes back to when she was approached to fill in and complete her husbands term, she refused and that is when the paper started their campaign against her. A campaign filled with misquotes, misrepresentations and outright falsehoods about her philanthropic work, some of which has even showed up on this UBB.
It will be refreshing to have a First Lady who's not the model of a Stepford wife.
How is it not relevant? He asked her to elaborate on those "un"-terms she used and she denied even using those terms. If those terms were not relevent then what were they doing in her speech.
For the sake of argument and blame lets say that she wasn't familiar with the scripted speech and hubby wanted her to speak for him. Once again, she could have very easily said, "No comment" rather than denied having said something that she clearly did say and then get rude with a reporter.
Fight with a paper or not she didn't handle herself very well. "She speaks her mind", says Kerry. How can he handle foreign affairs when he can't even handle domestic (wife) affairs?
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He is going to negoiate with his secret plans that no one gets to know until his president, silly.
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Originally posted by Lizking
He is going to negoiate with his secret plans that no one gets to know until his president, silly.
It's 1968 all over again!
Remember Nixon's secret plan?
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Did you see George Stephanopolis accuse him of acting like Nixon on Front Line?
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That Nixon had advertised a "secret plan" to end the war during the 1968 campaign is a commonplace of Nixon lore, but this is a myth, owing mostly to a wire service story that intuited such a plan. Nixon said no such thing; the phrase "secret plan" was used by a questioner to Nixon in a New Hampshire town meeting, but attributed to Nixon in a UPI story that was only belatedly corrected. But Nixon had to treat the issue carefully; it hardly served his purpose to refute the story and say he had no plan. Instead Nixon said, quite reasonably, that he didn't want to undercut President Johnson's negotiations through any campaign statements he might make. In fact Nixon wasn't sure what to do about the war.
It worked for him in 68.
;) <<< I really hate this one too!
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Originally posted by MrLars
It will be refreshing to have a First Lady who's not the model of a Stepford wife.
That's a little short sighted isn't it?
Will she tell the next foreign diplomat that stops in the White House to 'shove it' also because she doesn't like his questions, attitude, or because there is a fued?
Mr. Lars, I usually respect your opinions but this arguement seems a little short on sense IMO.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
So now the Betty Ford Clinic is a political tool too? Tell ya what , I know quite a few people that have gotten their lives back together after a visit to Betty Ford both Dems and Repubs. No sense in bashing a place that helps all.
I never mentioned the clinic. Typical spin doctoring.
Was I wrong in stating Betty Ford was an alcoholic (while her husband was CIC)? All I said was republican addicts are chic. The right wingers are quick to make slanderous accusations and all the lemmings cheerily hop on the bandwagon. I state a fact and it's the mean old liberal picking on the poor holy right.
I agree I'll be happy when the election is over, but if Kerry wins a wave of whine never before seen on the intardnet will flow thru this BBS like **** thru a goose. Of course when it happens they won't be anti-american by speaking out against the president (as they love to label those that do now), they will be patriots exercising their rights.
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Yeah, the situation is the same. Kerry has no plan, but can't say that, so he goes to the super-secret plan. They have a lot of simularities, to me.
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politics is boring
did anyone ever change his mind because of this BBS??........................i don't think so
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Originally posted by rpm371
I never mentioned the clinic. Typical spin doctoring.
Was I wrong in stating Betty Ford was an alcoholic (while her husband was CIC)? All I said was republican addicts are chic. The right wingers are quick to make slanderous accusations and all the lemmings cheerily hop on the bandwagon. I state a fact and it's the mean old liberal picking on the poor holy right.
Funny how lib's confuse facts and opinions.
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Lets summarize Teresa’s claim to Fame.
Married wealthy Senator, Said Senator Dies in Plane crash, she inherits the money and company, and She marries another Senator.
And her opinion is important because why?
:confused:
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Originally posted by Drunky
That's a little short sighted isn't it?
Will she tell the next foreign diplomat that stops in the White House to 'shove it' also because she doesn't like his questions, attitude, or because there is a fued?
Mr. Lars, I usually respect your opinions but this arguement seems a little short on sense IMO.
Heck, if it was the Saudis i'd say put her face on a coin.
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Originally posted by Drunky
That's a little short sighted isn't it?
Will she tell the next foreign diplomat that stops in the White House to 'shove it' also because she doesn't like his questions, attitude, or because there is a fued?
Mr. Lars, I usually respect your opinions but this arguement seems a little short on sense IMO.
If that diplomat badgers her for 6+ years spouting unproven and false rhetoric, then I suspect that she'll speak her mind to that diplomat. Fortunatly, most diplomats wouldn't stoop this low.
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Vast Right Wing Conspiracy? ;)
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Originally posted by Kieran
Ozark-
Mr. Lars-
I know nothing of her fued with the paper, nor do I frequent this BBS with enough regularity to know anything about it. I am definitely not looking for things to pick her apart on, but let's face it, she didn't handle that well at all.
Here are some links to editorials attacking THK from the Tribune-Review.
http://www.heinz.org/files/TR-12-14-03.pdf
http://www.heinz.org/files/TR-1-30-04.pdf
http://www.heinz.org/files/TR-3-12-04.pdf
The endowments response was never published in the Tribune-Review. Here it is.
http://www.heinz.org/files/HEresponsetoTR3-15-04.pdf
These are just a few of the editorials that fueled THK's response to the Tribune-Reviews 'reporter'...who's actualy their Op-Ed editor.
Would you just say 'shove it' or would you use language similar to what the VP used on the Senate floor?
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Originally posted by MrLars
Here are some links to editorials attacking THK from the Tribune-Review.
http://www.heinz.org/files/TR-12-14-03.pdf
http://www.heinz.org/files/TR-1-30-04.pdf
http://www.heinz.org/files/TR-3-12-04.pdf
The endowments response was never published in the Tribune-Review. Here it is.
http://www.heinz.org/files/HEresponsetoTR3-15-04.pdf
It looks to me, like she should release her IRS forms .