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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SunTracker on August 02, 2004, 05:28:10 PM
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Just found out it can only attain Mach 1.8. Why so slow?
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When you're invisible you don't have to be faster than that?
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Originally posted by Toad
When you're invisible you don't have to be faster than that?
;)
How does the pilot find it to get in it?
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Mach 1.5 without afterburner...:)
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Originally posted by Sixpence
How does the pilot find it to get in it?
They always leave the ladder next to it, silly.
(http://www.chrisgood.com/aircraft/images/invisible_plane.jpg)
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lol, gotta admit, that is good.
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Originally posted by mietla
They always leave the ladder next to it, silly.
(http://www.chrisgood.com/aircraft/images/invisible_plane.jpg)
haha thats classic, did you do that yourself or find it somewhere?
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Originally posted by mietla
They always leave the ladder next to it, silly.
(http://www.chrisgood.com/aircraft/images/invisible_plane.jpg)
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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1.8= given away position.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
think about it.
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Originally posted by mietla
They always leave the ladder next to it, silly.
(http://www.chrisgood.com/aircraft/images/invisible_plane.jpg)
lol dam!
This is funny chit!!!!
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
1.8= given away position.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
think about it.
I'm thinking about it, and I'm not sure how hearing a loud boom gives away your position.
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Stealth is nice, but radars are all the time improving. The safest way to prevent shoot-downs it to put as much geography between the fighter and the SAM site as possible.
Doesnt matter too much, read somewhere the USAF is working on either 7 or 17 new unmanned aerial vehicle designs.
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It's faster than that.
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Call me when they start pumping out 20foot tall flying mecha with big laser cannons and a theme song
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Originally posted by GScholz
If you have speed you don't need stealth (SR-71, Mig-25). If you have stealth you don't need speed (F-117, B-2).
If you have both you rule, bigtime.
SR-71 was the first stealthy aircraft.
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XB-70... untouchable?
(http://www.connect.net/tlturner/xb-70.jpg)
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Originally posted by hawker238
XB-70... untouchable?
(http://www.connect.net/tlturner/xb-70.jpg)
I saw a discovery wings show on this and it was amazing to see that they pushed this bird so hard the paint ripped off on a regular basis.
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If it was closer to November, I bet my offhand remark about the Valk could turn into a liberal vs. conservative argument.
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bom=autolook pu and find the thing that made the boom.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
bom=autolook pu and find the thing that made the boom.:rolleyes:
Uh...
I'm not sure how to respond to that. Are you drunk?
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no. Have you ever heard a sonic boom? Tell me that doesn't make a ton of noise then you win.
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
no. Have you ever heard a sonic boom? Tell me that doesn't make a ton of noise then you win.
Well, as a general rule, those planes make a lot of noise. However, there are no anti-aircraft weapons that function acousticly. Just because they know its there gives them very little offensive options. The plane relies on stealthy (radar wise) speed to get in and get the job done and get out without a hitch.
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acoustic, hum lets see. Humans can function as acoustic weapons cant they?:rolleyes: nice try.
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You think you can take down an F-22?
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Originally posted by mietla
They always leave the ladder next to it, silly.
(http://www.chrisgood.com/aircraft/images/invisible_plane.jpg)
LOL!!
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Originally posted by hawker238
You think you can take down an F-22?
a nice 105mm can.
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Well, as a general rule, those planes make a lot of noise. However, there are no anti-aircraft weapons that function acousticly. Just because they know its there gives them very little offensive options. The plane relies on stealthy (radar wise) speed to get in and get the job done and get out without a hitch.
The USSR did have accoustic sensors in the Ural Mountains as an 'Early Warning System'. Not exactly accoustic-directed AAA, but for the purpose of alerting conventional AAA
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I think the F22 max unloaded speed is mach 2...not for sure. My aunt works for Lockheed-Martin, maybe i can get her to send me some specs or info on it.
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F-18 is only mach 1.8 and can only pass the sound barrier with afterburners
the f-22 was designed with the idea of supercruise, ie. being able to reach speed of sound with just military power (ie no afterburners) so it uses less fuel and can stay faster longer than f-16's, 15's, 18's etc. So a mach speed of 1.5-1.8 for long periods is better than short jumps with todays more conventional aircraft.
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One primary reason for the published maximum mach of 1.8 is due to the engine inlet design. To fly well into the mach 2 speed range, you need fairly complex and non-stealthy movable inlet ramps that help slow the airflow down to the subsonic speed required by the engine to keep running. A lot of the air that goes through the inlet ends up being dumped overboard at the highest speeds. The F-14, F-15, SR-71, XB-70 and even the Concorde use(d) such complex inlet designs.
This page http://www.concordesst.com/powerplant.html has a great section on supersonic inlets as they apply to the Concorde.
MiG
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MiG must be teh smart!
should have know aerodynamics hehe.
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Check this for capabilities.
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Vol. 5, No. 9 Eglin AFB, Fla. April 30, 2004
Eagles battle Raptors in skies over Nellis
By Capt. David Small
33rd Fighter Wing Public Affairs Pilots from the 58th Fighter Squadron experienced what it might be like to be a future enemy of the United States when they flew against the F/A-22 Raptor while at Nellis Air Force Base, Nev., in March. About 300 people, mostly from the 58th Aircraft Maintenance Unit, but also two
controllers from the 728th Air Control Squadron, deployed 16 jets for five weeks supporting the Air Force Operational Test and Evaluation Center’s comparison tests of the F/A-22 and the 53d Wing’s Raptor syllabus support. There, they flew about 100 sorties as the Raptor’s red-air adversaries. Maj. Ryan Luchsinger, the trip’s project officer, flew twice against the Raptor, leading one 8-ship formation pitting the 58th’s Gorillas, acting as Red Air adversaries, in scenarios where they outnumbered the Raptors. A red air adversary’s job is to replicate a known threat, Major Luchsinger said. The F/A-22 side, known as “blue air,” would then attempt to achieve a specific learning objective against those threats. These replications didn’t guarantee the Raptor’s success; rather they created a realistic engagement to ensure blue air met its learning objective. According to AFOTEC, Raptor’s record against the Eagle in these operational tests was 79:0 . Its overwhelming performance, though, didn’t give the major any preconceptions. “We went in to most of those pre-briefs thinking we’re going to do the best job we could, give them the best red air the F-15 can,” he said. Capt. Dave Abba flew against the Raptor five times, calling it “King Kong” against any foreseeable air-to-air threat. He gave an example of a broad scenario with which the Gorillas were faced. The Raptors were in an offensive mindset, providing force protection for other airplanes, Captain Abba said. “The F15s simulated a red threat against them to defend that area. ”Such a scenario describes the
‘kick-down-the-door’ mission of the F/A-22 senior leaders talk about. “As advertised, it’s very good 22’sat what it does for the future of air dominance," Major Luchsinger said. “It’s an incredible airplane.” Captain Abba said the view of the Raptor from his F-15 was an “eye-watering performance,” when combining its integrated avionics, super cruise, stealth and maneuvering potential. of describing the plane’s capabilities “It’s just a combination that nobody’s ever seen before,” Major Luchsinger added, "You get used to certain characteristics of flight and you have a basic understanding of aerodynamics, it's just amazing to see an airplane do what it did." When asked about fighting a stealthy jet Captain Abba referenced the dog-fighting mantra that "if you lose sight, you lose the fight." However with the Raptor, the new mantra will be "if you can't find it, you can't kill it," he said. Both pilots joked about flying the legacy aircraft in these tests, but agreed the deployment was an opportunity to see the F/A-22's capability in the air and to see how the program is developing.
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I think that just about sums it up
RHIN0
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First shot, first kill. It comes down to that with the Raptor. While I liked the YF-23 better (stealthlier design, and incredibly beautiful), the F-22 is still an awsome plane.
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
no. Have you ever heard a sonic boom? Tell me that doesn't make a ton of noise then you win.
You do realize, of course, that you don't hear a sonic boom until after the airplane has already gone past? If it's coming for you, you'll be dead before you hear anything.
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hehe. Not if your not the target:D
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Doesnt need to go fast if its stealth? If it shows up on the radar as a big blip then it should be able to go mach 2.5.
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